But some of the men who had befriended Major Hasan at the mosque said the military should examine the policies that might have caused him to snap.
“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.
“Ultimately it was Brother Nidal’s doing, but the command should be held accountable,” Mr. Benjamin said. “G.I.’s are like any equipment in the Army. When it breaks, those who were in charge of keeping it fit should be held responsible for it.”
The mosque, the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, sits off Highway 195, near Fort Hood. Major Hasan began attending prayers about two months ago.
The mosque has about 75 families who have lived peacefully with their Christian neighbors.
“After 9/11, nothing happened here,” said Ajsaf Khan, who owns three convenience stores with his brother, Abdul Khan. “We are very cooperative.”
A mosque leader, Dr. Manzoor Farooqi, a pediatrician, when asked if he feared retribution for the shootings, said he hoped good relations would prevail.
Major Hasan was one of about 10 men from Fort Hood who attended prayers in their uniforms, Dr. Farooqi said, and he was shocked to see the major’s face on television identified as that of the gunman. “He is an educated man. A psychiatrist,” he said. “I can’t believe he would do such a stupid thing.”
“I have no words to explain what happened yesterday,” Dr. Farooqi said at Friday afternoon prayers, in which about 40 men were led by the mosque’s imam, Syed Ahmed Ali. “Let’s have a moment of silence to bless those who lost their life.”
“The Islamic community strongly condemns this cowardly attack, which was particularly heinous in that it was directed at the all-volunteer army that protects our nation,” Dr. Farooqi said.
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if you notice the media has all kinds of shootings to talk about now. Shootings happen everyday in america. People die every day in America and around the world, but because this person had a different name and religion it will be blasted across the news.
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- crashbangnoises
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“Ultimately it was Brother Nidal’s doing, but the command should be held accountable,” Mr. Benjamin said. “G.I.’s are like any equipment in the Army. When it breaks, those who were in charge of keeping it fit should be held responsible for it.”
Idiots. Its terrorism. Non of this pc bs. He was a grown man, who made a decision to shoot and kill 13, including an unborn baby. When he starts talking, I bet he tells us that these crimes were committed in the name of a certain religion. This is not a "man made disaster" as our president would call it...this is simply terrorism.
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Ralph Peters gets it right in our world of mass psychosis and denial.
From the NY Times editorial:
"...There were reports that some soldiers said they had heard him shout “God is Great” in Arabic before he started firing. But until investigations are complete, no one can begin to imagine what could possibly have motivated this latest appalling rampage."This is like a Monty Python sketch---it's almost unfathomable that this view is so prevalent amongst the elites. Try to imagine that, if in 1943, a German-American US soldier named Hans Groebbler had suddenly pulled out a pistol and started shooting his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, while yelling "Heil Hitler!" and "Deutchland Uber Alles!" Do you really think anyone would have puzzled over his motive? The problem is that the leftist elites today can no longer even comprehend that everyone in the world isn't naturally a leftist. They can't comprehend that millions of people who are educated, not impoverished and not abused, will freely choose traditional Islam over the liberal West. They won't deal with reality, and it puts us all in great danger.
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I grew up in a German-American town with seemingly every other male an army veteran of Nazi fighting in WWII, basically, every one of them returning to their parents homeland to kill. I also know a survivor of Dachau who refers to Hitler as "The Little Catholic." We also know now how the Japanese Americans in WWII paid a needless price when their patriotism was challenged. Where does all this silly pigeon-holing get you?
Major Nadel is a terrorist/sympathizer in US military clothing who killed unarmed American soldiers in cold blood. He will be fixed up, analyzed, and shot.This has absolutely nothing to do with patriotic U.S. Muslims who believe in America and will return to the homeland of their ancestry and fight.
Maybe all of us should be asked to "swear" as adults to "preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States." If you don't, you risk serious consequence-like deportation.
We are at war. Is this registering?
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We've all heard, ad nauseum, the name of Maj. Nidal Hassan, that poor misunderstood victim of vicarious PTSD and verbal abuse who finally snapped.
Now, can anyone tell me the names of any one of those he murdered or severely wounded, or tell me about the real PTSD the several hundred in their respective families have been propelled into?
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Obviously, Hasan is the real victim here.
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What this man has done is an act of terrorism and treason. They should court martial him, put him before the firing squad and before they kill him, they should leave him un-blindfolded or hooded, bring in a pig and cut it's throat, catch the blood in a bowl and have each of the riflemen dip their bullets in the blood so he can see it then load their weapons and shoot him.
Let him take responsibility for his own actions. That's one of the problems with America. The big media want's to victimize the perpetrator and play down the severity of the perp's actions, ultimately lobbying for his or her pardoning of the crimes they commit. It's gotten to where criminals expect to be able to commit their crimes and not have to suffer the consequences.
As far as his superiors having to take any responsibility, they don't have to do squat. The army has been making officers for a very long time. Yes once in a while one slips through that is unstable, there is no way to be one hundred percent in the screening process no matter who's army it is. However, you haven't heard of them shooting people on base while screaming allahu akbar or God is great or any other religious jargon. With the preparedness this man took it sounds like he was planning this for several days. That's proof positive he didn't just flip out all of a sudden.
Get realistic. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. For every action there is a consequence. He is ultimately responsible for his own actions.
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If Hasan is a terrorist, then so is the Caucasian man of the shooting in Orlando, Florida yesterday. He killed almost equally the same amount of people. Of course both were for different reasons. Hasan was trying to kill soldiers that were being sent to Iraq because he had been bullied by some ignorant and arrogant pricks and felt they would be killing innocent Muslims of a country that the U.S. unjustifiably invaded, (that last part not being from the truth), and the white man killed persons because he lost his job. Seems someone had more substance for their actions, not that either can be thought as acceptable. Sure Hasan's motives were related to the issue of the battling with Muslim nations, which makes it easier to concieve as terrorism. But is it enough to label it terrorism, execute him and move on to the next story? This story involving Hasan is not much different from the school shootings that involve good students being driven mad by bullies and opening fire on their fellow classmates.
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The shooting in Orlando that I read about left one dead and five wounded. And what ever his reasoning for committing such an act, in my opinion it was terrorism as well. This includes the Columbine shootings and any other such act. It's just not based in religion. It is based in the philosophy of "Misery Loves Company". These people were miserable with themselves and instead of taking action to fix it or try to make it some what better for themselves, they, as our liberal you aren't responsible for your own actions idiots in this country have been teaching for generations, think it is everyone elses' fault and they are not responsible.
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And FYI, I may be somewhat old now but, believe it or not, I was young once and even went to school, college and graduated both. I was a nerd. I was ridiculed, made fun of, picked on etc... I only had one girlfriend the entire time and that lasted all of two months.
So I know what it's like. Not one time did I ever seriously consider a senseless shooting of those types. I did day dream of torturing a few jocks but never killing them. There is no excuse for these types of things.
Luckily I grew out of the nerdieness or it became cool one of the two. I'm happily married, have 4 grown kids and several grand kids.
People seem to be so much more fragile mentally now days.
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I am going to have to agree with mreddie. I am a Vietnam Vet, and have had PTSD for 30 some odd years. When a people believe in something so strong as the muslims do, then it is definitely terrisiom This man planned this right to the letter. We have in our state right now terrorist who were arrested 2 weeks ago. They were born and bred here in our great country, but planned on doing us harm. I will never forget what Kruchev of Russia said one time. We will get you from within. What we all must do is become more aware and not become so complacent as we have been. We better hope to hell that they don't start recruting gang members like they tried doing back in 93.
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You sure don't hear N. Chompski stepping in against these wars. They were pop in Vietnam & Korean wars. Whichever way it is he is still a Muslim asked to kill Muslim. They're not even looking at that. What about all the born in States Japanese who were interned during 2nd world war. They are shocked at this outcome. It seems something could have been done for things not to end up this way.
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He's a Muslim Psychiatrist. He would not have been killing Muslims or Islamists. He would have been on a base somewhere counseling soldiers who had just seen their buddies blown to bits.
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Forgot to mention snaganalf. You are 100% on the money. Thank you, it makes me feel good to know that you also are aware of what is really going on in real life.
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Let the bigotry towards Arabs and Muslims begin...
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- FallenMorgan
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There is no bigotry here. You'll notice other posts condemn the same types of actions perpetrated for different reasons as terrorism as well.
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is it ironic to anyone else,
that "they" are always wrong, and "we" are always right?
that murder is OK when it's ordered over a walkie-talkie?
that these people on the base volunteered to aide in murder?
that in fact the job of a soldier is to die as slowly as possible?
that, apparently, one American life is worth 10 Iraqi lives, and that's ok?
that, we can kill who ever we want- FOR MONEY- but start whimpering when they fight back?
that our nation IS an military-industrial-complex, who must start wars in oder to clear its inventory for the new spring line of bullets and tanks?
that the loudest people following situations like this, are those who blame everyone except themselves?
that the US army is loosing more soldiers to suicide than enemy attacks...and CANT FIGURE OUT WHY!?listen,
WE created this monster, through OUR ignorance and hate.in the end, WE are to blame, because we hired the politicians, we watch the fear-mongering news casts, we pay for the bullets, we allow haliburten to start wars. the world is shitty because we are shitty.
Life is trying to tell us something, and it will only get louder and louder until we finally listen and take responsibility for the world we've have created.
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This saddens me because rite when I see a cool off of the 9-11 hatred this guy comes around. This was not a jihadist he just was very sick man under pressure to go to Iraq and kill his fellow Muslim. I would really be surprised if they do find somthing that put in that catagory.
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- LadybugLady
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i would like to see osama bin hugging a liberal..
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- acontradiction
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In reply to the question of whether or not any of us could name the names of the victims :
Michael Grant Cahill
Maj. Libardo Eduardo Caraveo
Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow
Capt. John Gaffaney
Spc. Frederick Greene
Spc. Jason Dean Hunt
Sgt. Amy Krueger
Pfc. Aaron Thomas Nemelka
Pfc. Michael Pearson
Capt. Russell Seager
Pvt. Francheska Velez
Lt. Col. Juanita Warman
Pfc. Kham XiongThese are the fallen.
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Muslim Americans perform a critical role in the US military. I'm sure the vast majority feel as the Japanese Americans did in WWII and cringe at what happened.
We aren't at war with Islam but with some radical Islamic groups. The radical elements of any religion worry me. The radical Islamists probably kill more of their own than anyone else does.
I think this was a guy with mental issues that happened to be Muslim. Not to knock the mental heath profession but it's often joked about how they tend to be the ones with the most issues.
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Snaganalf like he is the only muslim with plans to be deployed in war zoneor the ones that are already there. So he is a Dr who wouldn't have that kind of thought cross his mind.
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Prijedor you said it yourself. At war fighting them. now in states he's in the army not on front lines fighting them. Once he is shipped..............he is fighting them.........
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acontradiction................I don't think so.......He'd look better dead. Don't you think?
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I can think of several news stories where heinous acts were committed...a lady cut off her babies arms, a mother drives her children into a lake and drowns them, a woman smashes her childrens heads in with a rock. Not for Jihad, but for Jesus. Christians. I like to think the best of people, and although I'm certainly not naive, I think the point of being American is to offer any person, any culture, a better opportunity for peace and happiness without all the religious bullshit and accusations of betrayal. Apparently, this guy was harassed repeatedly for his beliefs and culture. And I've seen video of American soldiers being extremely disrespectful to innocent people/children of Iraq. Its alot like the pot calling the kettle black.






