Ft. Hood Shooter was Mistreated

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"Everyone else just sat down there and drunk their beer and looked at him and giggled at him," the woman said, starting to cry. "They just would laugh at him when he walked down with his Muslim clothes. . . . He was mistreated. He didn't have nobody. He was all alone. He went to his apartment there and was all alone."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post/

The pervasive racism toward Muslims in the military is obviously at the heart of why Nidal Malik Hasan went to the breaking point. This is all too familiar as we have seen with the kids at Columbine.

"In mid-August, just a few weeks after moving to Killeen, Hasan had a run-in with a soldier living in apartment No. 12. One night after he had been drinking, John Van de Walker scraped a key along the full length of the passenger's side of Hasan's car. Then he removed and destroyed a bumper sticker that read, 'Allah is Love,' according to several residents, including live-in managers John and Alice Thompson."

The U.S. military has a long standing policy of racism toward the peoples of countries we are "at war with" (See http://current.com/items/90486086_the-u-s-military-has-a-racist-genocidal-policy...). It is standard procedure to dehumanize these foreign populations so that soldiers can more easily deal with the rampant death of innocent people that they see in war. I use the term racism loosely here as it actually applies to the Muslim religion. But few make the distinction between the Muslim religion and Arab ethnicity.



Hasan was known to his comrades in his apartment complex as "number 9", a reference to his apartment number. Many are calling him a terrorist because he is a Muslim, and in the context of the wars against Muslim nations that we are engaged in. Has Tim McVeigh ever been called a terrorist? Perhaps. But that hasn't given white middle-state Americans the stigma of terrorism.

I think Hasan has a lot more in common with Timothy McVeigh than he does with Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan. They are (or were) both U.S. military members who were disgruntled enough with the military to retaliate and kill innocent victims.

Every religion has the concept that people should not kill. We don't know for sure and probably never will, but in addition to be driven to the brink by the incessant tormenting he suffered, I believe it was this devotion to his religion that may have lead him to open fire upon deploying troops to an unjust war that dehumanizes and kills the innocent as a matter of policy. But that is purely my conjecture in trying to explain the unexplainable.

Killing is not justified in civilian life or even in war when the innocent die. But this may help to explain what happened, why it happened, how it might have been prevented, and could be prevented in the future.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110703449....

The BBC reports that Hasan had long wanted to leave the military due to suffering harassment because of his religion, and that many Muslims in the U.S. military suffer harassment and this shooting has raised fears among them. The reports states the following:
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According to the Pentagon, there are 3,572 Muslims in active service. However, some Muslims in the military say the real number is as high as 20,000.

The US government has made no secret of the fact that it would like to see more people from Arab and Muslim communities joining the armed forces.

More American Muslim troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan has long been seen as a vital part in helping the US in its missions to win hearts and minds in those countries.

"They are a great asset to the army," Lt Col Nathan Banks, army spokesman for the Pentagon, told the BBC.

"When they do deploy they help facilitate a lot of our missions. American Muslims in the army work hand in hand with local Muslims, and we welcome that."

He said the army did not foresee heightened tensions within its ranks as a result of Fort Hood.
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Meanwhile tensions have risen sharply around the country, as we see on internet posts like this one, where many accuse Hasan of being a terrorist, sympathetic to the Muslims we fight against. This BBC article also reports that Muslims in the U.S. military now have a growing fear of harassment as a result. It's obviously very hard for people to distinguish between Muslims in general (including those in our own military) and the Muslims we fight as members of the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

See the BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8347586.stm
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  • added November 08, 2009

221 comments // Ft. Hood Shooter was Mistreated

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    He was so alone he didn't even have Allah?

    What a loser.

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    Stereotypes bring upon racism, racism brings upon prejudice, and prejudice brings upon internal and external wars. This man was a victim of the system, but it still doesn't mean what he did was justified he needs to be severely punished to redeem his actions.

    FishaHouse777
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    This is a really sad story that ends in another American tragedy. You can't help but to feel a little sympathy for the guy. If we can't, than there is a more serious problem laying here.

    Twistisking
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    It is unfortunate that he was picked on and disrespected, but he was a psychiatrist. It is hard to see the warning signs in the people that you trust to seek them out in others.

    Personal observation & question: why is it that most of the people that need the most psychiatric help go into the psychiatric field?

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    Lecti
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    How can a murderer be mistreated ? This man was dead wrong. 13 dead, and 30 wounded by him. Who said that he was mistreated ?

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    keithponder
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    "Many are calling him a terrorist because he is a Muslim"

    Are you fucking serious? People are calling him a terrorist because he opened fire on American troops after screaming "Allahu Akbar." They just need to blow this fucker away and be done with it.

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    Ares
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    Can you blame them? Aren't we fighting a war with a group of terrorists that attacked us in the name of Allah? So he's picked on and then decides to shoot up a bunch of people. Makes perfect sense. Blame it on his devotion to religion. But if a devout Catholic or Hebrew person did the same thing, we wouldn't be saying it was because of his religion. we'd be saying it was because he was mentally disturbed. Let's not be so quick to play the race card.

    I'd just like to see what measures he took to stop being picked on and taunted. before deciding that shooting up a room full of people is a good, and totally justifiable idea.

    LowShred
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    "The pervasive racism toward Muslims in the military is obviously at the heart of why Nidal Malik Hasan went to the breaking point. This is all too familiar as we have seen with the kids at Columbine. "

    1. It pissing me off when people state their opinions as bold fact. Do we know everything about this person's life, genetic history and events that lead up to this? No? Ok, then it's a good time to shut the fuck up with biased opinions.

    2. This person's trying to say that what led to this shooting is just like what happened in Columbine. But, they're also saying that what caused this shooting was racism. I know Columbine was a century ago, but I don't remember it having anything to do with racism.

    newtieg
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    This guy was an asshole let's not mince words. All he had to do if he didn't want to go to Iraq/Afghanistan, repeat after me "I am Gay." They would have kicked his ass out of the military so damn fast.

    This guy was just a fundamentalist that wanted to kill people and believe he was justified. Period.

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    EmperorThan
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    who can take the moral high ground? well, me for one. i have been very mistreated but i haven't murdered. i think any religious fanatic is capable of killing for their belief.

    royulery
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    Maybe it explains his angst. The only knowledge a lot of those gentlman have of other cultures is what they see through their military experiences. Too bad the shooter kind of proved them right in a way.

    eskimoe
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    Oh and another 2 cents, guys shouldn't key each others cars. It's kind of gay.

    eskimoe
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    Being laughed at because of your religion is not an excuse for taking a life, let alone multiple lives in the name of your religion. I truely hope this scum lives long enough to face a firing squad, but then, that would be way too quick for the likes of him. BTW, how approiate was it that it was a female in a position of authority that stopped this madman?

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    snarly
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    Religion is a beautiful thing!

    Many if not most opinions are forged by what we have been told or taught to believe. The ugly little gnome I call “organized religion” is nestled somewhere beneath most discriminations and supplies the nasty little devises used to keep them alive.

    So many hatreds evolving to conflicts and or annihilations have been due to religious differences or beliefs. This is the woe of mankind and I think on many levels it is the woe of God as well. Man and there multiple religions that authorize them to distrust, mistreat, discriminate and/or alienate each other is appalling. My theory is that all religions are somewhat true and on many levels quite false. They all have the corruption of man swirled through out. This gives any one that needs it, the latitude to do what ever they deem necessary in God's name.

    Perhaps, religion should be nothing more than simply based on each individuals merits of that which they do or don't do. After all, in the end I believe this is what it will come down to anyway, not which religion we professed to belong to or which race or nationality we are from.

    The Golden Rule is quite possibly the only true religion.

    As a closing note, I am saddened by the losses experienced by all involved. It is most unfortunate.

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    JuliusBC
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    It's funny to read most the comments on here. They seem so scattered on facts and more like personal feelings... The dude was mistreated before the killing... he was called a terrorist before the killing because of his belief... Muslims = Terrorist. What he did was very wrong indeed, but to bash him as being some sort of enemy with no real motive is stupid. He was an outcast by the people he was fighting for... how would that make you feel? He will get what he knew was coming to him. Its really just sad to see such little logic coming from some of the people here with their choice of words...

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    Kontents
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    Don't know why people have to hate others because of religion, ethnicity or culture. It leads to stupid crazy shit like this. I feel for the families, the dead, the people who harassed the killer into going overboard and the crazy fuck who went nuts.

    Nettle
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    I love How people are saying he's being called a terrorist just because he was amuslim but you know strangly i think i remember people calling the abortion clinic bomber a terrorist too and oh my god he was white andcrhistian who would have thunk it bottom line is If someone does somthing terrible they are bound to be labled what they really are a terrorist

    rockfrek3
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    explanation.... justification.... fuck you....

    raiderguyx
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    Take a real good look at just how young this woman (girl) is.

    This man killed mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, and sisters from the ages of 19 to 62, and there's mo excuse for it. I don't care how lonely he was.He attacked defenseless people with semi-automatic weapons.This was a coward and callous act, and he used his religion as an excuse.He justified it in his own mind.Why didn't he just write a suicide note and blow his own brains out or, go AWOL like American soldiers did during Viet Nam. I guarantee you he regrets it now. He probably never thought that he would live through it. He just escalated the war.

    Its wrong for anybody on the planet to behave like this. He just made it that much worse for everybody in this country. Whether you like it or not, at some point in time you have to choose a side and I have. I'm against ANYBODY that attacks American people on American soil.

    BTW, I don't even support the war, but I do support those young kids that are being sent off to die.

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    keithponder
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    all religion is a mental illness whos to say his is worse than yours, just like nationalism it is an obsolete ideology. If mankind is to advance on this earth the rights of the individual must be respected. Including the right to believe in what ever spirit you believe lives in the sky. Personaly I still think it's all a distraction from the real problems we face...

    dirtyoldtown
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    "Has Tim McVeigh ever been called a terrorist? "

    YES.

    ChainayaLozhka
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    I am not really going with terrorist definition in this case. I am going to have to go with crazy, lone gunman who happened to be of the Islamic faith. I think he probably would have snapped at some point whether or not he was "hazed". If it were not that catalyst, it probably would have been something else.

    Religion may or may not have had something to do with it, but I think he is too crazy to be considered a terrorist.

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    Well, yes, Tim McVeigh was called a terrorist. This would be because he *was* a terrorist.

    Jenna_Waterford
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    I wondered how long it would be before liberal apologists start making excuses for this psycho. Was faster than expected.

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