Dad speaks only in Klingon to son

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Is this taking the whole Star Trek thing a teensie weensie bit too far? d'Armond Speers spoke only Klingon to his child for the first three years of its life.
Klingon? Not Spanish, French, Mandarin? Not some gutteral genuflecting concoction from the deepest recesses of Borneo? Klingon? You heard it right. (And if you don't know about the Klingon Empire, look it up.)
"I was interested in the question of whether my son, going through his first language acquisition process, would acquire it like any human language," Speers told the Minnesota Daily. "He was definitely starting to learn it."
And get this, Speers says he isn't really a huge Star Trek fan.
We'll take his word for it.
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stinknus
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wow, the intelligence of some people really is lacking. but this destructive to the health of his own child. communication is vital in all species. I understand that body language is more universally understood then any other spoken language. but this flat out pisses me off. IF people actually used klingon to communicate then this wouldn't be so bad.
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stinknus
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calm_incense
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stinknus:
Maybe if you were a little more intelligent, you wouldn't be so pissed off.
Try reading some of the comments here before saying such stupid shit.
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calm_incense
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tallmansam
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how sad
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tallmansam
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calm_incense
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@ karenazimi:
Klingon is more of a language that whatever it is rappers speak, and rappers seem to be getting by just fine.
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calm_incense
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calm_incense
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@ karenazimi :
"Meowing" is not a language. Klingon is.
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calm_incense
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remanns
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Much to do about "puq jum DaH"! I think I got that right.
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remanns
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Logos51891
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Idiot.
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Logos51891
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NuclearLullaby
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NoQ nekQ!!! I do think that poor kid will have a hard time in the real world! But on the bright side he'd probably learn Norwegian a bit quicker now!
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calm_incense
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NuclearLullaby:
"I do think that poor kid will have a hard time in the real world!"
Yes, that "poor kid" will have a hard time in the real world because he was blessed with bilingualism. Oh, the HORROR!
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calm_incense
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atainder
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Ummm.. child abuse anyone?
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atainder
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calm_incense
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atainder:
@ atainder:
*facepalm*
In order to avoid personally attacking you, I'm going to just calmly tell you to read my previous comment on the first page.
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calm_incense
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UWAZell
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Wow, way to misconstrue an article though it's title... the kids mother actually taught him English.
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UWAZell
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JoshShrouder
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man is an idiot, should be the headline
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JoshShrouder
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flyingkick
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Apparently, this story is a little old. The son is 15 now. Here's an update:
http://gizmodo.com/5408022/man-spoke-only-klingon-to-his-son-for-three-years-and...
Updated: Turns out that d'Armond Speers is a daily Gizmodo reader and not too excited about what I or some of you have said. To his credit though, he wrote me a very polite email and at no point called me any number of foul words that I might not understand.
Among other things, in his email Speers explained that his son is 15 now and has turned into a great kid. While he didn't remark about which languages his son speaks or studies now (or about how the boy feels about his childhood language experiment), the general implication is simply that he's a happy camper without any social scars.
As far as the main issue went, Speers told me that the only time he spoke Klingon around his son during those three years was when the two were interacting directly. His son was primarily exposed to English in his environment and also observed Speers speaking the language to others, which was why this whole thing didn't work as planned:
This ultimately was the reason the attempt failed, because it was an extra effort for him to speak Klingon to me, that was obviously not necessary because I obviously spoke English.
Clever kid. Why should he be speaking in tongue-twisters to dad when he doesn't have to? Sounds like a slightly-too-early example of teenage rebellion and no reason it shouldn't, because according to Speers, aside from the Star Trek influence, his son had a pretty normal childhood:
Second, just because I spoke Klingon does not mean that I was teaching him to wield a bat'leth or drink black ale. It was a language, and we did normal things that other parents do.
While even after Speers' email (and his unexpected sense of humor), I still don't think that Klingon (or any constructed language) is the best language to teach a child who's still barely grasping his mother tongue, the man behind the story seems a lot more human now. And while I or some of you may not agree with his methodologies or that his child was his subject for study, Speers didn't seem to let his academic curiosities overpower his primary prerogative as a parent. So, final disagreement or not, I take back the petaQ.
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flyingkick
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flyingkick
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What the story doesn't tell you (and you can find out by searching for other sources) is the child's mother spoke to him in English.
So the child has 2 native languages. Unusual that one of them is Klingon, but nothing wrong with that. - 3 months ago
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flyingkick:
Thanks for sharing that important information.
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Nephwrack
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i'm pretty sure there is a klingon dictionary, i used to work in a bookstore. however, if had one, i would not teach my kid to speak in klingon, i'd let him learn it on his or her own if they were interested.
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bashirdr
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I'm a pretty big Star Trek fan. I've got the DVDs, my own uniform, a model shuttle craft autographed by Nichelle Nichols - not kidding (oh, google my username). Having established my cred, I have two things to say:
1. Klingon is a real language with robust grammar, syntax and vocabulary. There is a dictionary in print, as well as a Klingon translation of Hamlet.
2. No 1 above is a source of much humor, but that's exactly the point. Klingon should be for "entertainment purposes only." Any other use just promotes the stereotype that trekkies are a bunch of geeky fanatics whose only experience with sex is rubbing their pet tribbles together.
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thomaskuda
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Mr Spears i for one would like to say please dont give ur child a lifetime nerd prescription...
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karenazimi
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I would like to hear from our little man if he can pull out a klingon dictionary. IT IS NOT A FUCKING LANGUAGE.Why the hell are you putting so much effort to try to prove your point.
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karenazimi
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Nettle
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karenazimi:
He's putting effort into it because it's his opinion. You expect him to just roll over? Think again.
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karenazimi:
He is like fly paper... dont be a fly.
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karenazimi
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My neice only used to Meow like a cat wouldn't speak. People thought she was slow,or the wrong word retarded. So you think it's ok for this behavior is good this child will be made fun of and that SUCKS!
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karenazimi
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karenazimi:
They make fun of you if you're smart in math. So what?
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2helenahandbasket
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Not to worry, all. It's simply a matter of hiring someone in the school system to teach the child in his own language. We do it all the time.....
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vans1170
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i've seen some people here saying "man he's behind and needs to learn english!!"
somehow, some immigrants get by without knowing a word of english. - 3 months ago
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Birdieball
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Calm_ is right. Take it from me - I'm about to graduate as a certified ESL instructor. Even with English as an L2, the kid'll be fine.
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zphoenixdownz
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i'd prefer a fictional language to any of the various forms of brainwashing...
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calm_incense
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You guys are making unbelievably moronic comments. Child abuse?
Young children are NOT limited to the number of languages they can learn. Starting with Klingon will not make him any worse in English. I'm sure all of you know people whose native languages were something other than English and yet, provided they started learning English when they were still young, eventually became more proficient at English than most native speakers.
In other words, the more languages you learn, the more you're able to learn new languages.
Lastly, it was only for three fucking years. You people talking about how this kid will be "lonely" apparently think three-years-old is too old to start learning English.
Jesus Christ.
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UrbanGypsy
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Thanks for the totally useless language Pops...
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DDukes94
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this will be pretty interesting. I hope the kid grows up and is compleatly fluent in it. Along with english, and maybe a couple other languages. That'll be one hell of a kid. And imagine what he could do! He could make millions for selling the Klingon language to Rosetta Stone, I bet they don't offer that language...
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Ares
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DDukes94:
I bet they don't either, because it's a useless fucking language.
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Ares
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DDukes94:
Moreover, it is not even a language. Hello? it is a TV show and not an especially good one, though I watched it on acid once after school many years ago, which was fun.
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SleepDirt
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TheDesertEagle
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Does this qualify as child abuse? Cause this is gonna be one lonely kid... on the upside he'll be king at the star trek conventions.
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TheDesertEagle:
No it does not qualify as child abuse. That's why CPS is a loser state agency. They don't know what is the difference between abuse and what they don't like parents doing.
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iamfree
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this is messed up...seriously why deprive your son of being able to communicate with others?...this most certainly fits the bill of cruel and unusual punishment.
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karenazimi
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This kid is not going to have any friends and he will be truley alianated.
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Ares
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"Man raises son to never get laid."
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Ares:
LOL!!!
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Ares:
hahaha i just spit my food out laughing oh man
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Nettle
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I think it's rather cruel to teach it to him as his sole language. An additional language? Sure. But now this kid is going to have to learn a new language in order to converse with the rest of the world.
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Nettle
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flyingkick
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Nettle:
His mom taught him English
Here's a more detailed article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/19/darmond-speers-dad-spoke_n_363477.html - 3 months ago
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flyingkick
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Nettle
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Nettle:
Aha! So the article above is slanted... badly. Thanks for the heads up!
Now it's actually a pretty cool story. :D
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Nettle
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flyingkick
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Nettle:
Yeah, it's a flat out false and incredibly misleading headline, lol.
Still a cool story though. - 3 months ago
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flyingkick
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sophosthegreat
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and who's to say this nut is even teaching his son Klingon correctly, very few people are fluent in it themselves so I bet this guy has just taught his poor kid a load of gibberish.
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Neil_Cooper
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Thats as bad as bringing someone up just to speak Welsh !!! lol
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wellhunggimp
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"And get this, Speers says he isn't really a huge Star Trek fan."
So he was just performing experiments on his son? Wow. That's a lot worse than the propensity for longstanding virginity I thought he was trying to enforce upon his son. What kind of person... never mind. The answer is this guy.
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It's just a language. How does it hurt anyone?
You mean things that you put into your mind can alter how you act and treat people? NO WAY....play violent video games and people act like it's no big deal. Teach a child a language and they hate you. Guess he should have only taught him sign language. How hateful would y'all be then? - 3 months ago
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J_Jammer:
Do you speak Klingon? Do you know of ANY group of people numbering more than 1,000 that are RAISED to speak purely Klingon? I'm gonna go ahead and assume no, you don't. And now this kid has to take english, french, spanish, whatever, he has to take ANY "Earth" language as a second language... can you imagine how humiliating it would be for this kid to write down his first learned language as Klingon?!
Also, regarding video games, it hasn't been absolutely confirmed that violent video games = violent people, because being a violent person depends on alot more things than simply violent video games... but that doesn't matter, because you're comparison of violent games to raising a child to speak Klingon is, well stupid; there's no other way to describe that comparison.
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CalPal
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J_Jammer:
And being a bad parent has to do with a lot more than what language you teach your child.
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J_Jammer:
It seems like a bit of a selfish act to teach your child a fictional film characters language as it's first and only language does it not? I'm sure he's a wonderful doting father, but unfortunately he has hindered his child from from speaking to anyone else that doesn't attend Star Trek conventions
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J_Jammer:
You can teach him another language. It's not the end of the world. It was a harmless experiment. It's not like he used a disease to infect a rabbit and then watch it die.
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J_Jammer:
"It was a harmless experiment. It's not like he used a disease to infect a rabbit and then watch it die."
This will harm him in the long run if he doesn't speak a proper language... whether you poison an organic being or teach an unrecognised language to a child, it's going to cost him in the long run... maybe you just think of things being harmed in the short-run, I don't know, but this will definetely impede him if not harm him.
Also, have you tried to learn a second language? If you have, then you'd know how incredibly hard it is to actually be fluent at it; if you haven't, well, that might explain how you make it sounds as though you can pick up a language just like that.
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CalPal
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J_Jammer:
No pun intended Jammer, but what planet are you from? Essentially the child has no vialbe means of communication. Would you consider it abusive if his father refused to teach him to speak at all? Because the net result is exactly the same, no ability to communicate verbally.
Second, you don't "experiment" with your children like they're lab rats. If his father wanted to experiment on himself with a taser, that would be fine with me, but you don't mess with kids, ESPECIALLY in such formative years.
Third, with any luck this bonehead of a "father" will lose custody of his child and be forced to spend some time behind bars where the unintelligible sounds coming out of HIS mouth with be due to the fact he's bunked with a guy who likes to be called Big Mary.
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J_Jammer:
No pun intended Jammer, but what planet are you from? Essentially the child has no vialbe means of communication. Would you consider it abusive if his father refused to teach him to speak at all? Because the net result is exactly the same, no ability to communicate verbally.
Second, you don't "experiment" with your children like they're lab rats. If his father wanted to experiment on himself with a taser, that would be fine with me, but you don't mess with kids, ESPECIALLY in such formative years.
Third, with any luck this bonehead of a "father" will lose custody of his child and be forced to spend some time behind bars where the unintelligible sounds coming out of HIS mouth with be due to the fact he's bunked with a guy who likes to be called Big Mary.
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J_Jammer:
You should have said no pun intended with the "bonehead" comment. Your statement is similar to stating how does a deaf child communicate----he's not without communication. Only those that want to hate on the father would think so.
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J_Jammer:
J_Jammer, though I am convinced that you only comment in the ways that you so often do to be disagreeable and confrontational and, well, to get a rise out of people...I can't help but comment on your exceedingly inane comments here.
I take it that you do not have children due to your saying that its "not the end of the world" and that it was a "harmless experiment." Children at that age are obviously very impressionable and the foundation that you lay for them at this age helps to make them functional HUMAN beings. This has indeed harmed this child developmentally and, soon enough, socially. Now, instead of having four-five years of normal, NON-FICTION, HUMAN language skills instilled in his brain, he'll only have 1-2 before starting school.
Unless, of course, this winner of a dad decides to home school him. I wish him luck in finding text books written in Klingon that his son will understand.
The damage done here is not irreversible, but this poor kid should not have been put through this to begin with.
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J_Jammer:
I do not have children and I bet you don't have Japanese children. I don't have children, I have - for many years - worked with children. The fact of the matter is it is not the end of the world and that child is not your child. Harm that was done is only fiction because people don't like different.
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J_Jammer:
Um...Japanese children? What?
"Harm that was done is only fiction because people don't like different." I love different. I do different for a living! But this is not only "different." Its putting a child's development off by years for a pointless experiment. If you think that this was a positive thing for this child's well-being, can I ask you what good you think it did for this kid in the long-term?
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etienna
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J_Jammer:
A cool dad and something no other child got from their parents. The child will love it whether you think he will or not doesn't make a hill of beans. Always wanted to say that.
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J_Jammer:
Don't you know, J_Jammer knows all? He/she has never been wrong about anything EVER so just admit it and move along.
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J_Jammer:
Apparently J even knows how to see the future now. J can predict that this kid will think his dad is cool, based solely on the facts in this story!
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J_Jammer:
The father readily shared what he had done with his child without feeling the need to fully explain himself with excessive words. He had to spend time with his child in order to teach the child...they have a lot of bonding and it's fairly unique. Dedication and love. It's there if you want to see it.
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J_Jammer:
You guys who are against J_J are all a little mixed up.
What this article fails to point out is that the boy learned English from his mother, who spoke it to him regularly. Here's a more detailed article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/19/darmond-speers-dad-spoke_n_363477.htmlSo the boy has 2 native languages. Studies have shown that native bilinguals may have an easier time learning additional languages. So what the father did was actually beneficial to the child.
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J_Jammer:
Wow Jammie, you really stepped in it this time or, if that message is confusing, see Klingon translation above.
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J_Jammer:
I didn't step in anything. You did.....as one can see that that isn't the only language he knows.
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Well, at least the kid will never know or utter racist phrases or terms. There aren't many N sounds in the Klingon dialect.
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benson5
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Bit selfish innit?
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I'm a Treky but teaching your son klingon is just ridiculous! The child might grow up thinking it's ok to talk like that and when no one else in his school understands it, they are going to insult him!
There goes the next kid that gets picked on and gets put on Youtube.
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krazykizza
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No thanks. If I was raised like this, Id punch this manin the gut as soon as I get a chance in my post fetal life.
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Atalanda_Cameron
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That is so mean! Now his kid will be behind in communication... also, that must suck to only be able to communicate with a dork. :P
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Awesome!
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Progresshiv
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Next on the list: an experiment involving confining a manipulative father to a cold, damp cell, naked, until he develops empathy.
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Progresshiv:
I have to wonder, did he have a license to spawn?
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Progresshiv:
Looks like loss of empathy has already started.
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Progresshiv:
So you defend the notion of raising children on Klingon first language? Now I know that you would argue about anything at any cost.
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Progresshiv:
SleepDirt, did you even research the story you posted?
The child's first language is English.
Your headline is wrong. - 3 months ago
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Progresshiv:
I don't argue anything at any cost. I pick the right side at the right cost.
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