Communists kicking free market capitalists' a$$es
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- SleepDirt
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http://hillbillyreport.org/diary/894/hey-tea-baggers-the-communist-ar...
How's the Free Market Capitalist system working?It's working OK as long as the Communist Chinese continue to bail out the Free Market Capitalist. The Free Market Capitalist screw everything up and we, the tax payers, borrow money from the Communist Chinese to bail out the Free Market Capitalist. Can we call that Capitalism for sale? Or should we say the the Free Market Capitalist have been exposed for what they are, pyramid scheming phonies looking for cheap labor?
The United States put it's fate in the hands of Corporate America the U. S. Chamber of Commerce, George W. Bush and Shotgun Cheney and now when most of our good paying jobs are gone the Chickens are coming home to roost, Communist chickens, and guess who's gonna pay for it. Hint, it won't be the U. S. Chamber of Commerce or Corporate America.
For the answer to that question, just peer into your tea cup and the answer will be in the reflection
http://hillbillyreport.org/diary/894/hey-tea-baggers-the-communist-are-kicking-f...
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jubal
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Ironic and true, I love this article. Capitalism works because Communism supports it financially. What a brilliant observation.
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jubal
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jharris815
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agreed, one can't polish a turd.
look, to an extent people are responsible for themselves, and at the risk of sounding like a cynic, the world order isn't changing course anytime soon, no matter how much responsible folks like ourselves post on a website. i was a combat engineer in the army in iraq, and now i'm an urban planning grad student in chicago, i'm also a bicycle dork who doesn't own a car, and i work part time as a bicycle mechanic, i don't mean to preach about myself, but i'm just saying, maybe actions speak louder than words, if one can't change the world order of corporations, nation states, and other huge entities, perhaps one can co-opt them, and bend them to make the world better. ever heard the political theory of "all boats float higher"? maybe check it out? - 3 months ago
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jharris815
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snaganalf
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When I was a kid, the guy who swept the floors and emptied the trash was called a Janitor.
This day and age's politically correct terminology requires he be called a Sanitation Engineer.
Use all the freaking fancy words you want, a pile of shit by any other name is still a pile of shit. - 3 months ago
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snaganalf
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kennymotown
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If the defenders of china's unfair trade policy's love that kind of free market why don't you fucking move there!
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kennymotown
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kennymotown
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The worlds corporate international overlords have played us all like a fiddle, with China providing cheap labor and no environmental rules these same industrialist have found that communist country's provide the environment that corporate communism has fallen in love with. Taking our country back by inserting high tariffs to the point that a pair of tennis shoes made in china for a buck but here in the USA cost 10 bucks that tariff would be 9 bucks on a pair of chinese shoes. With the high cost of energy to bring those to the USA would be too much and new tennis shoe factory's would spring up all over AMERICA. Job, jobs, jobs.
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kennymotown
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libertyforall
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This article does not speak highly for the author, nor the person who actually believed the garbage contained within.
Does anyone know why China became so successful? Because they embraced the free market (mostly trade with the United States). Our two economies are linked with one another. Without the US to buy crappy Chinese goods they would be screwed. Without China supplying the US with crappy goods we would be screwed.
This is probably one of the least educated opinions I've read in a very long time.
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libertyforall
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kennymotown
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libertyforall:
There is nothing free market about china, where have you been. They charge tariffs on all imports and demand low tariffs on their products. There markets are government controlled and you know it. Basically they have total corporate communism a corporation's wet dream, forced labor at the cheapest rates around. Free market my ASS.
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libertyforall:
I am afraid you left out an important reason or two for China's success.
Slavery and child labor and a complete absence of workplace safety regulations, minimum wages, environmental controls by a totalitarian government. - 3 months ago
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SleepDirt
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libertyforall
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libertyforall:
kennymotown,
China has a hybrid mix. They are free market for trade with the United States. Which is the only reason they have grown like they have. Without embracing globalization and trading with us their economy would still be nothing. This is an impossible fact to dispute.
Don't forget about China also embracing the free market and exporting a good number of their workers all over Africa.
By the way, I fail to see how China is kicking our ass. Apparently the author also failed to look at actual statistics.
All the things wrong with the Chinese system (child labor, safety regulations, environmental concerns) will be fixed as they continue to grow their economy. Much like what happened with the United States. If they fail to fix these problems then their economy will become stagnant.
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libertyforall
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GoodGodGuy
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Best Letter to Editor, ever!
To Washington Post Letters:
Steven F. Hayward wrote: “The single largest defect of modern conservatism, in my mind, is its insufficient ability to challenge liberalism at the intellectual level. . . .”
No.
The single largest defect of modern conservatism is that it has ruined the nation.
Conservatives do not have ideas; they have interests.
Conservatives are not “thinkers”; they are rationalizers who give an intellectual gloss to their belief that an alliance of predatory businesspeople and religious extremists should rule the rest of us.
The wreckage caused by modern conservatism lies all around us, and speaks for itself: If conservatism isn’t dead, it should be.
DANIEL ROSEN
Baltimore
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GoodGodGuy
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GoodGodGuy:
Hear hear.
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treewolf39
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SleepDirt
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GoodGodGuy:
Well said
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SleepDirt
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snaganalf
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There was a point in time where the United States was fully self sufficient. We produced all the goods we needed and most of those goods were consumed here. Some were exported as well.
Then greed stepped in and our corporations figured they could circumvent our environmental laws and the cost of labor by having goods produced over seas, mostly in china, and our government let them do it.
Every ounce of technology the chinese have is copied from The US and other countries. None of it was invented on their own. The chinese are the absolute best copy cats in the world. Now they have enough of everyone else's technology they are doing the manufacturing on their own.
They don't have the EPA, FDA, USDA, OSHA... etc laws and regulations that we do here in the US allowing them to have, along with the two cent an hour labor, the cheapest manufacturing base in the world.And our friggin government is letting it happen.
Yes, the United States is on it's way to being a 3rd world country. It is doing so because of corporate greed and corrupt government.
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snaganalf
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magnusdeus
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Chinese "Communism" has an economy that is more free market than ours in many respects. Before the reforms that made the shift to capitalism China was nothing.
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VD_K
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this article is filled with holes.
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VD_K
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CarlosIsDown
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Corporations are just like people. . . You know. . . except you can't put 'em in jail. . .
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hcice
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That is a question that is very hard to answer since I have never lived in a society that employed the "Free Market Capitalist system." I have only lived in a society that employed an overly regulated and bastardized version of the free market system which they somehow still called "The Free Market."
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hcice
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hcice:
Really? Which planet?
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SleepDirt
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treewolf39
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How do you have free trade with warrant-less wire-taping? Having that power lets the government sneak trade secrets.
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treewolf39
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ras_menelik
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World Bank boss says China’s Yuan can be alternative reserve currency
who's whose Coolie now?
http://stockpreacher.com/2009/11/11/world-bank-boss-says-chinas-yuan-can-be-alte...
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the lesser of all good and the greater of all evil......
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TGolem
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I fully expect china to take over the world some time in the next 50 years.
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TGolem
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cynker
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china isnt communist!
the west is now looking to china because they like the control they execute over people and information - be ready for the police state :( - 3 months ago
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neocongo
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The US will continue buying already cheap Chinese goods made cheaper by China's weak currency policy. China will continue bailing out the US as long as the US needs it because US T-bills are China's best investment with weak US dollars. The US will continue needing bail outs from China until the US gets it's banks and investment companies in line with some serious regulation. This is nothing new at all. We need regulation and government created jobs NOW until this mess we are in created by unbridled capitalism is fixed.
Greed is a useful servant but a terrible master.
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neocongo
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KSirys
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The great US of A is corrupt and greedy...
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diabolical44
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gimme a fucking break. china , first of all, isn't very communist. they are supposed to be technically but in reality are nowhere near it. secondly, would you want to live in any communist country in the history of the earth? China has absolutely no protections for labor, safety in the workplace, etc..
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jharris815
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also, blaming the government for one's failures.... really looks bad man. you should maybe "peer into your teacup".....and then go get a job.
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jharris815:
If not the government then who? Phil fucking Donahue?
And how does the end of an empire become 'one's failures' exactly? - 3 months ago
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SleepDirt
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jharris815
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globalization is a risky business.......
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desertcat
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For too many yeas now manufacturing jobs were being shipped over seas. Labor complained the rest of American thankful for cheaper products. Never did Labor or Big Business try to solve the problem. Today's job require more schooling a different type of employee, again we lose, we stopped teaching science and biology in our schools and replaced it with biblical fairy tears. We want to be big brother, lead in warfare, after all we got the tools, we trained the men we have to see if we got our money worth. In comes a borderline retarded President and his gun toting VP. A handful of terrorist murder a few thousand citizens and destroy two buildings and the Cowboy in Washington risk all and fails at the job. So now we can add more Americans dead because of inept leadership than we can to a handful of terrorists. Runs to the communist and borrows against our great grandchildren's future. The only thing to come from this is that America slips into becoming a third world nation, one lead by the fairy tales of the bible than fact and wisdom.
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desertcat
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Westnewport
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But I told you and I told you and I told you...
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402Chicago
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this article sucks.
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SleepDirt
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402Chicago:
Truth hurts
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SleepDirt
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calm_incense
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China isn't communist. Neither is the US free market capitalist.
China's edge over the US isn't a matter of economic ideology.
China is advancing precisely BECAUSE it isn't being run by ideologues.
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calm_incense
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calm_incense:
China isn't communist! Are you friggin nuts what about tienanmen square.
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calm_incense:
"...China is advancing precisely BECAUSE it isn't being run by ideologues"
I'm not certain how you would edit your statement to make it any less accurate. All of a sudden the world's largest and most established Communist military dictatorship is not 'run by idealogues'. LOL
For your edification: It is a socialist republic (specifically a people's democratic dictatorship according to its constitution) ruled by the Communist Party of China under a single-party system, and has jurisdiction over 22 provinces, five autonomous regions (Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, Ningxia, and Guangxi), four municipalities (Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, and Chongqing), and two highly autonomous Special Administrative Regions (Hong Kong and Macau). The PRC's capital is Beijing.
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SleepDirt
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calm_incense:
@ kennymotown:
"China isn't communist! Are you friggin nuts what about tienanmen square."
Tiananmen Square had nothing to do with communism and everything to do with totalitarianism.
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calm_incense:
Excuse me, growing up and serving in the military they were always known as the communist red chinese. Nothing has changed except they have found a way to destroy capitalism by inviting our debt and international corporations into the trap.
And being communist they are totally in charge therefor your totalarism is correct as well. - 3 months ago
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calm_incense:
@ SleepDirt:
My statement was fully accurate. As magnusdeus said, before making capitalist reforms, the PRC was a complete mess. Deng Xiaoping took a completely different turn from his predecessor, instead opting for pragmatism. He is famous for having said, "What matters is not whether the cat is red or white; what matters is whether the cat catches mice." In other words, he didn't give a rat's ass whether China was communist or capitalist - only that it was achieving its economic goals, regardless of how it got there. He was not an ideologue, and neither is Hu Jintao. The massive income disparity in China alone is evidence of how completely un-communistic the PRC is. Marxism would call for the poorer laborers in eastern China to rise up against the new Chinese middle class in the west.
Oh, and you don't need to "edify" me. Telling me the PRC's capital is Beijing? LOL. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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calm_incense
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calm_incense:
@ kennymotown:
"Excuse me, growing up and serving in the military they were always known as the communist red chinese."
...your point? Just because something is known by a certain label doesn't make that label self-evident. I guess if Iranians know the US as the "Great Satan", clearly we are just that.
"And being communist they are totally in charge therefor your totalarism is correct as well."
The point is that totalitarianism is a completely different sphere from communism - one is a matter of administrative policy; the other is a matter of economic policy. Communism doesn't necessitate incidents like Tienanmen Square. Only totalitarianism in and of itself could allow for such an event to occur.
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calm_incense
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calm_incense:
You really don't know what communism is? So you have fallen for the trap as well.
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calm_incense:
Not to mention two wars Korea and Vietnam where the communist red chinese were heavily involved and since then they have had free elections and elect a government?
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calm_incense:
@ kennymotown:
It's clear that *you're* the one who's idea of communism is clouded by American historical cultural biases. The fact that you refer to them as the "communist red Chinese" reveals that you are very much the product of your upbringing and social environment, and are unable to see communism as it is - that is, as a socioeconomic ideology, rather than a historical and social phenomenon.
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calm_incense:
What the hell has changed with them they still crack down on dissenters with as you call a different name. Why are you trying too justify their trading policy's with a different label for the same red book lovers their leaders are. You have been fooled or are profiting from this kind of unfair trade.
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kennymotown
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calm_incense:
@ kennymotown:
"What the hell has changed with them they still crack down on dissenters with as you call a different name. Why are you trying too justify their trading policy's with a different label for the same red book lovers their leaders are. You have been fooled or are profiting from this kind of unfair trade."
I'm not trying to "justify" anything. I just happen to have a propensity for using correct terminology. Cracking down on dissenters has nothing to do with communism. Hitler certainly cracked down on dissenters; does that mean he was communist? World leaders have throughout history cracked down on dissenters; does that mean communism preceded even Karl Marx? Don't be ridiculous.
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There is no such thing as free market capitalism. There is no such thing as pure communism. Both are totally corrupt and always will be. Greed is an ugly fact of life in any market.
So to answer the question: "How's the Free Market Capitalist system working? "
We will never know.
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sampierre
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What makes you think there are any free markets? That's the problem! Capitalism would work fine if assholes would let it be free. Unfortunately, we've been living in a corporatocracy instead. Let's not get the two mixed up. Thanks.
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sampierre
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sampierre:
Exactly what I was about to say... then saw you said it first. Well put.
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sampierre:
the invisible hand is a false idol
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sampierre:
It sure would... with a sweat shop job for one and all!
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sampierre:
Yeah cause after all, everyone knows corporations can be trusted to be benevolent if they only had the chance to prove what swell patriots they are, right?
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SleepDirt
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kennymotown
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That bad thing is our Corporations see a golden opportunity in a communistic capitalism way and now we need to stop free trade and put corporate personhood in it's place for the traitors they are.
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kennymotown:
The bad thing is we haven't had free market in a long time, pretty much every aspect of the market has been f'd up by greedy power seeking progressives in our govnment and it's getting worse every day.
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kennymotown:
What fantasy land do you live in. You haven't had a free America for 30 years since reagan took the middle class away from you.
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kennymotown:
Yeah those greedy progressives on Wall St. and the corporate boardrooms of multinationals who just finished cratering the global economy while enjoying the tax exemption largesse of the average working stiff. All right under the Marxist nose of Comrade Obama.
I just don't get it. How did those progressive DFHs ever get those kick-ass jobs?
Deluded much? - 3 months ago
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