Officer pushes suspect through window caught on tape

// added November 23, 2009 // 113 comments //
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The Bay Area Rapid Transit system, which has been under fire since a transit officer was videotaped killing an unarmed passenger early this year, faces renewed controversy from a video that shows a man crashing into a plate glass window as he was being arrested.

The officer had removed the man from a train because he allegedly was intoxicated and yelling profanities and racial slurs at other passengers, the transit agency said. The video, shot Saturday by a passenger on a BART train in Oakland, shows the officer holding the suspect and pushing him across a platform toward the window. The suspect's upper body strikes the window, shattering the pane and showering both men with shards of glass.

It is unclear from the angle of the video whether the officer shoved the suspect into the window or whether the suspect punched the glass with his right arm, causing it to break.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/22/california.transit.police.scuffle/index.html

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113 comments // Officer pushes suspect through window caught on tape

  • IMMININT
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      IMMININT  
    • To anyone that defends this guy, you're probably the same types that would throw rocks at veterans....

      It's shameful that some of you childish "damn the man," types seem to always want to blame police for everything.... I see idiots talking about a Police State here and there, yet you're the same idiots that voted for Obama.... Anyone with a real brain see the contradiction here? Typical....

      The police officer had been injured. This punk was starting some shit on a train and was belligerent... He was doing his job. Lets not take one arrest out of the thousands of daily arrests and make the entire police force out to be animals.

      Regardless of who's fault it was, I doubt either the suspect or the officer anticipated a window of that size to shatter so easily....

      You'd think a window overlooking the outdoors like that would be built with enough integrity for severe weather let alone someone thrown into it without much force.

    • 3 months ago
  • Tao_D
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      Tao_D  
    • IMMININT:

      That's not cool man. I have nothing but the highest respect for our brave soldiers of all ages. You should be ashamed to have typed such a statement.

      Yes, I defend this man for one reason; the BART police force is filled with scandal. They murdered a man named Oscar Grant in cold blood in front of dozens of witness earlier this year. Executed him with a bullet in the back while he was face down on the ground handcuffed. It was caught on tape by multiple people. SO, when something like this surfaces involving BART officers there is of course a great deal of anger.

      ALL incidence such as this involving BART need to be highly investigated. In light of this police force's action's this year (if you are up to date on what is going on), neither I nor the general public is willing to just give this officer the benefit of the doubt.

      And so, I stand up for that man.

    • 3 months ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • it is scary to hear people say that this man was 'asking for it'. Asking for what? A beating? I don't care how that man acted. We should expect fair justice for all of our citizens. It is not justice for a cop to decide that someone is cruising for a bruising. When we start dehumanizing people and saying they deserve a beating from police, it really opens the door to people just sitting idly by as we turn into a police state. That's the only way America can become a full-fledged police state - if regular people do nothing, or even worse, agree that police brutality is justified.

      If you think that it is ever justified for a cop to use more force than is necessary just because you can dehumanize the cop's victim by stamping some less-than-human label on him, then where do you draw the line? When is it OK for a cop to use excessive force (excessive meaning more than what is needed)? When it isn't you or someone you love? The answer is never.

      Once the cop has the upper hand, he needs to be professional enough to keep his temper under control. Otherwise it isn't really justice, now is it? It's just a pissed off guy beating on someone out of anger, and that's not something we should ever encourage police to do. We should praise cops who do the right thing, and we should call out cops that go too far.

      Lots of times violence is a necessary evil for cops to inflict. However, this was NOT one of those cases. The cop was in an easy position to just take the guy down to the floor. Let's not forget that the man was mentally disabled. Anyone who thinks he deserved injustice probably agreed when G W Bush executed retarded people in Texas. Sick.

    • 3 months ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • noxidereus:

      Just to clarify I do think the glass breaking was a total accident, and this cop didn't intend to go THAT far. He could have taken him down using less force, but this particular situation isn't as bad as others. What I am complaining about is people thinking it is ever the case that a person deserves to be handled with more force than is necessary. Nobody deserves that. We have a system of laws and no punishment includes an ad hoc beating by police, but it happens anyway, and we should condemn it even in cases where the guy the cop is after is being a total ass. If a cop needs to use force to protect himself and others, then that is justified, but violence ceases to be justified once the cop already has the upper hand.

    • 3 months ago
  • iloveravi
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      iloveravi  
    • It didn't look like the cop pushed the guy that hard into the glass. Looked like one of those weird things that happened where a glass breaks when normally it wouldn't.

      I'm not saying that is cop isn't an overly aggressive dick, one can only assume that he is- but if you are looking for proof to support that hypothesis then this video is not going to help.

      For all we know this cop may actually be that illusive brand of cop that is thoughtful, honest, fair and civilized. You know, the kind I've been told exisits but have never met.

      I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt.

    • 3 months ago
  • wintermadness90
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      wintermadness90  
    • I wouldn't say the drunk guy deserved it, or that this was completely justified, but this doesn't upset me very much. An obnoxious drunk gets his face smashed through a window..... I'm not gonna lose sleep over this.

    • 3 months ago
  • 02
  • Xenny
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      Xenny  
    • Speak out those who don't see this as police brutality! Here I'll even base my argument on logic. (for Argument's sake let's assume the glass was Safety Glass)

      1. The only leverage the cop had was the guy's left arm. Not enough to leverage to force the guy through the window.
      2. Cops are supposed to get the suspect to the ground, wall, or something that keeps their front away from the cop, as fast as possible to better restrain them, but if the suspect keeps walking forward, then the cop has to follow, and look for something to restrain the suspect on. The suspect was walking faster than the cop first, which forced the cop to walk faster to keep up.
      3. The suspect was drunk so his movements were disjointed and unsteady. This was shown by his staggering and the sudden lurch forward.

      Combine the three of those and you've got a drunk guy, feebly resisting arrest, by walking faster hoping to escape the cop on his arm. The cop trying to keep up has to move faster. As they continue to move faster, they hit a stopping point, the window. The guy is drunk and has little ability to slow himself down, combine that with the cop who is still going the same speed, and we've got a broken window. The cop had assumed that the glass was of the safety persuasion, and thought to use that as extra leverage against the suspect, but the glass broke as they ran into it. When the glass broke the cop saw that as a good chance to restrain him.

      This is not called police brutality, this is a cop doing his job, It would have been police brutality if he had kicked the guy a few times after restraining him but that was not the case.

      Please stop your pointless vendetta against the police, they do their job, just the same as you. It's pointless to vilify the enforcers of the law just for doing what they're supposed to do. The ones you should be speaking out against are the lawmakers who make the laws you despise. Don't shoot the messenger.

    • 3 months ago
  • Tao_D
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      Tao_D  
    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHjhtYZpX0

      Have you all seen the video from earlier this year where a BART officer pretty much executes Oscar Grant while he is face down handcuffed? Shoots him right in the back in front of dozens of witness. And then they tried to hide the cop from the local authority's by sending the cop in Vegas! There is obviously something wrong with the rules, measures, and policy's of the BART police force.

      Because we all watched a man killed by them in cold blood any action like this by BART that is caught on tape needs to be highly investigated. Without just giving the BART police force the benefit of the doubt. Until they clear there public image and reform there force they will be viewed by the world as a group of abusive jack booted thugs. It is only natural.

    • 3 months ago
  • twhite83
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      twhite83  
    • Not sure why any of you guys think this guy was a victim. I'm from nyc and am on the train in the middle of the night all the time and maybe if quick beatings like this were thrown more often, people wouldn't get stabbed in the face with a knife on the D train for having your bag on a seat in an empty train car like it did the other night. p.s. the guy still moved his bag when asked

    • 3 months ago
  • LowShred
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      LowShred  
    • I don't think it was the cops fault on this one. Sometimes you have to step it up to the next level to ensure the officer's safety and the safety of civilians.

    • 3 months ago
  • CarlosIsDown
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      CarlosIsDown  
    • He was skitzo. It was just a fucked up situation. Cops have to keep the peace, and though it's not right for them to overact, it can be understood.

    • 3 months ago
  • QuestionGeek
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      QuestionGeek  
    • Yep, welcome to the home of the free and land of the brave people.

      This is nothing short of disgusting. That guy should sue the police department, and quick.
      All he had to do is hand cuff him and take him off the train. Violence wasn't necessary.

      Perhaps the cop has been consuming too many preservatives, sucralose and aspartame. And if you think I'm kidding about the last statement, I'M NOT.

    • 3 months ago
  • corndog67
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      corndog67  
    • He was a mental case. A history of drinking and violence. They should have just killed him, now he is going to sue and make a wad of money, and probably get arrested again for the same stupid shit.

      Has anyone here ever been fucked with by some dumbass drunk on a bus or train or a bar? They should be shot. Not everyone is an Internet tough guy with a 1/4 mile long driveway, lots of guns, warning signs, pit bulls, a very large penis and well above average kids, a Ferrari, $10 mil in the bank, and his own police force (who he hates).

    • 3 months ago
  • RudyRudell
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      RudyRudell  
    • From this video it honestly looks like the cops not doing anything more then anyone would should one be forced to deal with an unruly drunk threatening people on the train. It really does look like the suspect threw himself into that window a little more then the cop did.
      If this video were from any other country people probably wouldn't even think twice about the cops reaction, here this guy is going to find a lawyer to sue the cops.

    • 3 months ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • I've seen a lot of police brutality on current over the years, and I almost always side with the victim.

      After seeing that video, it's pretty clear the cop was totally justified in what he did. Even if he intentionally put this man through the window, which I don't see totally clear evidence for, he displayed no signs of racism or abuse of power which are the two main factors that make police brutality bullshit.

      But we're talking about a dangerous man who openly challenged an officer to a fistfight, pardon me if I don't have much sympathy.

      My two cents, it looks like the cop was trying to put him up against the wall and used too much force, thus accidentally breaking the glass.

      It's not justified, but cut the guy a fucking break. I can't imagine how I would eal with that every day.

    • 3 months ago
  • Patrick_Smith
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      Patrick_Smith  
    • The man was reported as drunk and threating to assault random passengers before any one was hurt a police officer grabbed the man. Now it is in police training to place a person who is to be handcuffed in a position that would limit their mobility ie. over a car, on the ground, or against a wall. Now i know some of you have watched hockey and seen someone slammed against the glass and it does nothing is that on espn or youtube no, but the rare chance the glass breaks its all over this is one of those cases. And for all of you lashing out at the officer I would love to see some of you cowards lower your heads and say nothing to some drunk who is threatens you just praying for some under paid over stressed cop to save you.

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
  • KSirys
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      KSirys  
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    • Patrick_Smith:

      it's funny how we keep getting all these new members, with no profile and focus their attention only on this topic. Even though it's on current.com main page, it's not number 1 or the only news article. Yet, there's always the "new members" that just so happen to show up and save a PIG's ass.

      Patrick, if that's who you say you are, why don't you use your regular account and stop being a c.... yourself.

    • 3 months ago
  • twhite83
  • DRudeBoy
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      DRudeBoy  
    • The officer probably shouldn't have headed towards that window with him, but come on. Police brutality disgusts me, but this cop wasn't way over the line, we need to pick our battles.

    • 3 months ago
  • Maeveeo
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      Maeveeo  
    • Booze & getting drunk ( See ,,,,weed does not make you act like this so you won't end up like him ) See what booze does ????? & it legal !

    • 3 months ago
  • My_America
  • KSirys
  • yvesisaki
  • lizziehoffman
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • Again, there is no excuse for this. Deliberately pushing someone through a window is a life threatening act. A shard of glass could nick an artery. That officer needs to find another job and I hope he is forced to.

    • 3 months ago
  • Brazil617MA
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      Brazil617MA  
    • From my point of view it was the guy's fault. I may be wrong but I cant tell and I haven't heard witness from the train and hear what happened!

    • 3 months ago
  • SirSalem
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      SirSalem  
    • All I have to say is that the cop does seem in the right here. I don't think the cop meant to break through the glass with the man, because it doesn't seem like he meant to smash through the glass. I mean, to say he meant to smash through just seems dumb since he sustained a bunch of injuries himself. I'm sure if the cop wanted to push him through the glass he could have done it much more effectively.

      From the little background you get from the video it seems like this man was making a scene and the officer did what he felt was right. I'm not a cop lover, but I have to side with the police on this one.

    • 3 months ago
  • KSirys
  • TheOuroborus
  • spanky07
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      spanky07  
    • The drunk guy deserved it, I am sure the drunk guy was being a butt hole. This is what you get for being stupid in a no stupid zone.

    • 3 months ago
  • chaos1
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      chaos1  
    • the cops in oakland need to be investigated, now. this obviously isnt the first time they've used VERY excessive force on an unarmed suspect and been caught on tape. i wonder how much corruption and cover-up will be revealed if there is a full-scale investigation on these guys. but of course thats never gonna happen. a man can only dream....but the worst part is that these pigs will probably only get a few days paid suspension.

    • 3 months ago
  • Daimyo
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      Daimyo  
    • People, google bipolar disorder... Its very unstable and this cop is very very smart. bipolar disorder + being drunk can make people do very stupid things like pull the cops gun out of his holster and start shooting or at least threaten to shoot. Im not backing this cop, im just saying that give the cops a break, all the idiotic ones make the good ones look bad.

    • 3 months ago
  • danielloose
  • Nettle
  • current_nando
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      current_nando  
    • I think the police is doing his work and he was probably trying to tackle the guy against the window to arrest him. I'm on the police side on this one.

    • 3 months ago
  • div
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      div  
    • If I was there and some random drunk guy who was much bigger than me was threatening me in any way, I'd be damn glad the cops took him out before he hurt me.

      It's not the cop's job to conduct a physchological assessment before restraining a threat. And the guy wouldn't have gone through the glass if he wasn't resisting.

    • 3 months ago
  • Lurkistan
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • div:

      that argument fails....resisting arrest should not automatically result in a man going through a glass window....and the fact that cops no longer seem to understand that fails as well. Have they lost any and all ability to deal with humanity in a humane way? Incidents like this serve to alert us to the fact that something is and has gone terribly wrong with law enforcement in this country.

    • 2 months ago
  • ochreRobot
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      ochreRobot  
    • Um, I am not one who condones violence against citizens but this guy was asking for it. Really, the officer was taking him away from the scene of the incident and was putting him against the wall to restrain him. It looks as if the person who was being arrested put his arm through the glass and that is what broke it, then his head went through. How is the cop supposed to know that the guy is schizophrenic or bipolar? He just sees a drunk guy causing a problem and bothering passengers. You see the video and the passengers do not have a problem with the cop taking care of the guy, so the dude being arrested was probably going a little to far himself.

      People flipping out on transit happens more often then you might think, I had a confrontation with someone on my transit system last year. The person was drunk, middle aged and unstable. The entire time I was trying to keep the situation from becoming a physical confrontation the assailant called me a raciest and threatened to do harm to my person. I did not say two words to this guy before he started to attack me. But I stayed cool and kept my bike between me and him while the transit workers called the police who showed and took care of the situation no violence occurred. Job well done by the transit workers and the police.

      Now I know that allot of people, anarchist types and such, think that the police are out of hand and some of them are or that we live in a police state and maybe we do, however unless you live in an area where violence is common you might not understand that they have to act rough in order to keep the peace and enforce the law. Now I know that there are times that they go to far but for the large percentage of the time they do their jobs well and we do not hear about that.

    • 3 months ago
  • mykuh
  • Lurkistan
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      Lurkistan  
    • I'm 100% against police brutality and the cops can be real assholes at times. But if they weren't there to stop guys like this it would be a free-for-all in many areas. When you live in an area with a lot of crime and crazy people it doesn't take long to realize this; without police it would be anarchy, and not the fun kind.

      How would you take down a guy like this, ask him nicely? At least he didn't taser or shoot him, if he knew the window was going to break he wouldn't have done it because I'm sure he didn't want chunks of glass falling on his face.

    • 3 months ago
  • choirtramps23
  • sidewaysclyde
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      sidewaysclyde  
    • I have seen worse videos of cops hitting 15 year old girls and throwing old women to the ground. This guy was acting like a jackass and looking for a fight. I don't think the cop meant to break the glass, but the man had not attempted to hit him or anything. He could have been less agressive.

    • 3 months ago
  • rebelution07
  • kivol
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      kivol  
    • rebelution07:

      i agree with you and what other suggested. I want to see cops having to go to college just like many other professions. They shouldn't be given a gun if they don't have a degree. They need to be socialized, educated, taught, how to deal with situations.

      The fact that this guy has a mental disorder to me means the cop went way over. The cop could have bodied slammed him and given him the cuffs, and this wouldn't be an issue. But fuck man why did you put his head through the windows.
      One class I should officers take is sociology of inequalities.

    • 3 months ago
  • Ihatethemall
  • bailey78
  • Lurkistan
  • sidewaysclyde
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      sidewaysclyde  
    • Ihatethemall:

      There are many police who are trying to make our society a better place. They put themselves into immediate danger so that we dont have to. I have respect for many officers. Some do abuse their power, but this drunk guy was instigating violence and thats what he got.

    • 3 months ago
  • Ihatethemall
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      Ihatethemall  
    • Ihatethemall:

      The sign at the begining of my quarter mile long driveway say.....I dont know the number for 911, but I will call the morgue for you.....I fear no shitbag robbers. Let them come one over, if they get past the pit bulls, I got a few other toys that will take them down.

      Lurkistan.........Its I hate them ALL. I have nothing against shopping malls.
      I am well into my 40's nice try with the little snide comments though. I am sure you are a hit on the playground after school with them. Keep up the good work. I am sure the little 14 year old girls you hang out with on the playground think your really cooooool.

      Sideways....I have NO respect for any piece of shit that wears a badge. When they die in the line of duty my only thought is..where are the buried, I need to take a piss.
      Fuck all cops. May the die and rot in hell

    • 3 months ago
  • DRudeBoy
  • indecisiveh
  • Ihatethemall
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      Ihatethemall  
    • Ihatethemall:

      DRudeboy---------So what now 3 years later you love them. Well good for you. Actually I just looked at your profile...youare only 19. You got a lot to learn little man. Keep on trying.

      I'm well into my 40's. I still hate them all.

      To the ******** that made the troll comment. Maybe you should take your own advice.

    • 3 months ago
  • Ihatethemall
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      Ihatethemall  
    • Ihatethemall:

      again to the ********* who made the troll comment. as you can maybe see by the number of bars next to my name. I have no intention of stopping my response here at current even if #*&%#!@#%&^*() dont respond to me. Actually I could care less if you do or not. I didnt ask for YOUR response to me.

    • 3 months ago
  • indecisiveh
  • indecisiveh
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      indecisiveh  
    • Ihatethemall:

      As you can see from my bars, I spend a lot less time trolling than you do. 40 really, wow, that puts you growing up raised by the sixties freelove generation. I've seen the documentaries. I feel bad for the neglect that the children of your generation suffered at the time. I can actually sympathize with your crankiness. Did your parents have you at woodstock? Is your daddy Charles Manson. I mean what is the deal bro? have a bagel, some tea, chill man. S'all good

    • 3 months ago
  • iknew
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      iknew  
    • The glass broke from him putting his arm up so he wouldnt smack his head on the glass. But the cop pushed him so hard that his arm broke the glass... Like wow!!!

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • The drunk guy had it coming.
      The cop was stupid to try and smash him up against a window though, they both got rained on by glass- adrenaline maybe? The cop obviously didn't think the window was going to break.
      Honestly, I ride BART a lot, and I've been harassed and assaulted by people. It can be a hostile environment sometimes. Cops know this, and it makes them nervous. If you're gonna start acting crazy on BART you should expect to get taken down by a cop.

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • well I guess he now knows who is the king of the mountain. I do not trust the police nor do I condone how they treat people. How ever if your drunk and causeing a ruckus then prepare to get your ass handed to you. The police have a job to do most do a decent job of righting the wrongs of others. Some are just assholes from the get go. I have always been treated with respect by them even when going to jail for something I got caught doing that was illegal. I have found that when treated with respect I get treated with respect back. when my friends fight and resist arrest they get beaten. Oh yea! Nine times out of ten I beat the wrap in court. The moral of this is don't be an asshole in public and the cops don't jack you up.

    • 3 months ago
  • dmass5
  • bailey78
  • Lurkistan
  • choirtramps23
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      choirtramps23  
    • bailey78:

      There is keeping the public safe from threats by use of tactical restraint and then there is bashing a man's skull into a window. The question remains should such a great deal of power and lenience should be afforded to those with a clear lack of self control and prudence.

      @demass5: clearly you are in no place to be evaluating others' intelligence as you have dismissed anarchism as a preposterous notion when it is considered a legitimate political theory.

    • 3 months ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • bailey78:

      It's unclear whether he actually did slam the guy into the window, that's fairly obvious.

      Police brutality is a huge problem in America, especially with tasers. But this seems to be another classic example of overreaction because of past events.

      I doubt the cop really had it in mind to smash the guy through a window, especially considering that the immediate consequences were that he got pretty badly messed up himself. Also, there are no further attacks, as are typical in these situations, and no extreme language or temper used by the cop. Another determining factor could be an examination of his record. If he has no prior charges, he probably didn't do it on purpose if he was responsible at all.

      And then there's just common sense, which is that sometimes no one really cares when the law isn't followed if everyone's safety is at risk. Unless there was a clear intent of racism or abuse of power (as there was say, during Rodney King), does it really matter that he stepped over the line to defend people on the train from an undeniable assailant? Do you seriously have any compassion for someone like that?

      And finally, Anarchism is not a legitimate political theory and isn't considered such by anyone but its mindless proponents. At best, depending on whether you're an anarcho-capitalist or a straight anarchist, it represents either a deluded fantasy of how capitalism works or a proto-communist mindset. Neither of these, no matter how they're organized, are legitimate political theories.

      In fact, by definition, Anarchy is not a political theory. It outright rejects governmental and sometimes industrial institutions and instead demands that people just "get along." Anarchy is as much a political theory as "don't get sick" is a health plan.

    • 3 months ago
  • QuestionGeek
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      QuestionGeek  
    • bailey78:

      I agree, I know people who drink, and even for some stupid, reason I dated one of these retards last year. They'll do anything to justify and continue their drug addiction (alcohol) even if they get a DUI and commit murder (hit someone while driving)

      In a psychotic belligerent stupor from alcohol this guy starts yelling racial slurs, etc..causing a public disturbance. None of this would have happened had it not been for alcohol.

      Let's just legalize all that crap. What difference does it make if it's illegal. After all, alcohol is legal and once was illegal. That didn't keep people from using it.

      However, with the above said, this does not excuse the cop's behavior which was way over the top and probably illegal.

    • 3 months ago
  • choirtramps23
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      choirtramps23  
    • bailey78:

      @Saladin
      Anarchy is a state of being, not a political theory; however, anarchism is in fact a political theory. You, like many others, have many misconceptions about anarchism. First of all, no anarchist wants government eliminated entirely, simply reduced. In fact, many anarchists support small, local governments. Secondly, there are social anarchists and individual anarchists, who represent opposing sides of the political spectrum (I'm assuming this is what you are trying to convey by "anarcho-capitalist" and "straight anarchist"). You say "deluded fantasy"; I say, Zapatista movement in Mexico. If you want to dismiss anarchism as a political theory, you better be ready to dismiss Bakunin, Tolsty, Goldman, and Thoreau- all of whom have made significant contributions to political ideology.

    • 3 months ago
  • Tao_D
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      Tao_D  
    • bailey78:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHjhtYZpX0

      Baily have you seen the video from earlier this year where a BART officer pretty much executes Oscar Grant while he is face down handcuffed? Shoots him right in the back in front of dozens of witness. And then they tried to hide the cop from the local authority's by sending the cop in Vegas! There is obviously something wrong with the rules, measures, and policy's of the BART police force.

      Because we all watched a man killed by them in cold blood any action like this by BART that is caught on tape needs to be highly investigated. Without just giving the BART police force the benefit of the doubt. Until they clear there public image and reform there force they will be viewed by the world as a group of abusive jack booted thugs. It is only natural.

      Personally, I usually agree with most everything you say, but don't you think in light of what has happened recently that maybe, just maybe, these cops are out of control?

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • bailey78:

      Yes tao-D I have seen the video. I am not saying that all cops are right or doing a good job. How ever what I saw in the video is a drunk being an ass. There for the officer that was by his self did what he thought was the right thing. Did he know that the glass was not safetyglass? I dought it. Did he kick the guy when he got him down NO did he Taze the guy NO did he beat the guy NO. The officer was protecting the public at hand from a loud drunk that was looking for a fight. That is what I saw if you saw something diffrent please let me know what you saw. I am not saying all cops are doing a great job by any means. I am saying that what I saw on the 1:18 of video is a officer doing his job.

    • 3 months ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • bailey78:

      "@Saladin
      Anarchy is a state of being, not a political theory; however, anarchism is in fact a political theory."

      Excuse me, what? Is it or isn't it? Don't answer, it's not.

      "You, like many others, have many misconceptions about anarchism. First of all, no anarchist wants government eliminated entirely, simply reduced."

      That's demonstrably not true and in addition, is contrary to the definition of the word.

      "In fact, many anarchists support small, local governments. Secondly, there are social anarchists and individual anarchists, who represent opposing sides of the political spectrum (I'm assuming this is what you are trying to convey by "anarcho-capitalist" and "straight anarchist")."

      So then they're not anarchists, no matter what they say. They can call their movement communal agrarianism, or primitive communism, because that's what that is. Small, local communities, basically tribes, cooperating with each other in more or less as much as harmony as human beings can muster.

      That's not a new political system, it's been done. People got tired of it, that's why we're not all living like the Australian Aborigines, we decided civilization and the infrastructure it provides is obviously preferable. But you're more than welcome to join their "anarchist" community if you please.

      "You say "deluded fantasy"; I say, Zapatista movement in Mexico."

      I'll raise you one and say Paris Commune in 1871, too bad both have paramilitary groups which are required for their defense and are utterly reliant on the infrastructure of the outside world.

      "If you want to dismiss anarchism as a political theory...."

      Which you've said it both is and isn't.

      "...you better be ready to dismiss Bakunin, Tolsty, Goldman, and Thoreau- all of whom have made significant contributions to political ideology."

      Dismissed, I never liked Thoreau anyway. Always preferred Emerson.

      Of course, I'm partially kidding, because someone's political fantasies don't somehow negate any legitimate insights they have into the world. Karl Marx and Ron Paul both may have astute observations to make about Industrial Capitalism, that doesn't mean their solutions or their political theories are worth two shits.

      "But hey, I'm only a mindless junior political science major at UCLA. What do I know?"

      Not much apparently, do I get to use the fact that I'm a junior history major at UCSC as an appeal to authority to beat over your head with? That's a direct logical fallacy by the way.

      I don't care if you're a post-doc legal whiz-kid, you can still be flat dead wrong.

      "Anarchists" are one of two things, either they're not Anarchists but like the label or they're total idiots.

      Somalia is a country with anarchistic principles, ANY system of government beyond that clearly is not anarchy.

      If there's a court system, a military and a legislature, it's a fucking government not matter how small it is. Choose another label.

    • 3 months ago
  • choirtramps23
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      choirtramps23  
    • bailey78:

      @Sal
      I don't know what makes you think you are in the position to debate anarchism when you don't even understand the difference between anarchy and anarchism. I know, it sucks wikipedia doesn't break down the difference for you. I suggest you read Baradat's Political Ideologies before making any more embarrassing fallacious statements.

      Secondly, I believe you mean to say: Your qualifications as a 3rd year political science major studying in one of the most competitive political science departments in the country, under some of the most brilliant professors is an appeal to inappropriate authority or Ad Verecundiam. Surprise, surprise- I am familiar with errors in reasoning. They don't let just anyone into UCLA. With that said, I am fairly certain that I am in a better position to comment on the validity of anarchism as a viable political ideology than a banana slug.

      For the record- I am not an anarchist.

    • 3 months ago
  • flyingkick
  • vans1170
  • CarolineS
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      CarolineS  
    • Not suprising at all, i've seen a male police officer arresting a drunk woman-who was not resisting arrest btw- and throw her around the place and into the side of the police van so hard that there was a big bang on impact.
      These police officers get off on arresting people, it makes them feel big, as in real life they are very small worthless people with ego complexes.
      I definatly agree that they should have degree's or something, we have too many unintelligent uneducated morons 'protecting us'

    • 3 months ago
  • abbo
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      abbo  
    • reporter: "this video hit the internet and has gone viral, and all of the sudden the police are forced to respond here"

      I love it when youtube fulfills the basic watchdog duties of the press.

    • 3 months ago
  • Haymaker22
  • mcjones
  • mykuh
  • clarity_kat
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      clarity_kat  
    • mcjones:

      I was watching this on the news and apaprently the officer had cuts to his arm and head that required stiches and a minor concussion.
      The degree of the injuries the cop was treated for determined the passenger will be charged with a felony.
      The sister of the passenger also came forward to say her brother had a history of mental health and is documented as having been treated for bipolar disorder. http://www.ktvu.com/news/21694798/detail.html

      Granted this is not to the degree as Oscar Grant's case, but it should be interesting how this plays out. I also think it is interesting that the news reported this right before reporting that a girl was shot and robbed at the Oakland Collesium stop. (still looking for article)

    • 3 months ago
  • ii386
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      ii386  
    • Cop should have and could have handled it much more calmly, rather than grabbing him out of the train and literally throwing him into the window. I can vaguely see the suspect resisting, which I assume to be shock that his head is now cut open. Regardless, the suspect is an asshole and needs to be locked up, but this was a little over the top.

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
  • EtVoila
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      EtVoila  
    • This makes me angry. We have brutish nutcases that lack proper judgment, self control, and compassion "protecting" us. Wonderful.

    • 3 months ago
  • redvelvet1278
  • EtVoila
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      EtVoila  
    • EtVoila:

      Do you see that as grounds to shove someone through a window? It takes a bit of common sense for an officer to realize that attempting to gain control of someone on a window isn't such a wise idea and it takes a bit of self control plus the correct technique for the officer to arrest him somewhere else. Because the police officer hadn't any self control, proper technique, or common sense, this unfortunate event happened.

    • 3 months ago
  • growdude420
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      growdude420  
    • "It is unclear from the angle of the video whether the officer shoved the suspect..."

      BULLSHIT!!! If you cannot see clear brutality on the part of the cop, you are truly blind. Police in this country need to be tested for rage response. Every person I know who has become a police officer, save one, was as uninteligent bully who diddn't get his fill during school, and wasn't smart enough to get into college, I agree with tommic, we should require at least an associate's degree if not a bachelor's. Sergeants should have degrees in psychology and criminal justice, and the academy should be at least two years.

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
  • noxidereus
  • DDukes94
  • Haymaker22
  • TravG73
  • bailey78
  • skatherine
  • xiola
  • TravG73
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • I have said that no person should be allowed to become a police officer without an associates degree in criminal justice. Too many ex military people who have not been treated for post traumatic stress disorder have been allowed to become police officers. The result is police violence.

    • 3 months ago
  • booksellergirl
  • vinicius
  • lifestudentno83
  • Progresshiv
  • booksellergirl
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      booksellergirl  
    • The police in this case are downloading a huge load of bullsh*t. Accusing the person who posted the video as "jumping to conclusions" takes massive man-balls. Like Heavy D once said, "If you can't see what I can see, you're blind, man, you're blind."

    • 3 months ago
  • CalgarC
  • bailey78
  • CalgarC
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • CalgarC:

      Well, normally, I would agree with any reasonable method of restraining a drunk and/or a mentally deranged suspect but pushing him through a window is a very, very dangerous act. Police officers are trained to deal with drunks and the mentally ill. This guy was both. He could have wrestled him to the floor. From the video, he looks like he could have done so. It looks like he headed straight for that window. Not only was it irresponsible but dangerous to not only the suspect and himself but anyone that was walking by.

    • 3 months ago
  • KSirys
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      KSirys  
    • Another violent arrest on someone who's not fighting back!!

      I like this quote " It is unclear from the angle of the video whether the officer shoved the suspect into the window or whether the suspect punched the glass with his right arm, causing it to break" RIGHT!

      First, the guy is presumed drunk and now he has the ability to punch the glass with his right arm and break it with no leverage and one hand behind his back.... Wow!!

    • 3 months ago
  • bailey78
    • 0
      bailey78  
    • KSirys:

      He was looking to start a fight with anyone that was going to stand up to him the officer did what he thought was the right thing to do in this case. I dought if he knew that the glass was going to break it(the glass) should have been safety glass to begin with so as not to break that easy.

    • 3 months ago
  • JonRaymond
  • flyingkick
    • 0
      flyingkick  
    • KSirys:

      jon, the drunk guy is throwing his arms up, yelling 'what', no matter where you're from , that means you wanna fight. And from the round of applause, i think it's safe to say that the passengers were happy to see the drunk guy get taken off the train.

      Who said cops were always right and they are above the law?

    • 3 months ago
  • ploomis
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      ploomis  
    • KSirys:

      The man was compliant. Notice how, as the cop and the man close on the wall and window, the cop powers the man forcefully into the wall seeking maximum effect and injury. The man may have put his arm through the glass but that was a reactive response to knowing he was going into the wall. This guy has been charged with battery of a cop w/injury , obstructing and resisting an officer, public intox, and disorderly conduct.
      Battery of a cop? BULL*&^%! BULL*&^%! BULL*&^%!

      Better off tazed in this situation. At least the assclown cop wouldn't have bled and the poor dude wouldn't be facing felonies.

      Another buckethead knuckledragging mouthbreathing po-po encouraged to do worse next time..

    • 3 months ago
  • evtezcan
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      evtezcan  
    • KSirys:

      "It is unclear from the angle of the video whether the officer shoved the suspect into the window or whether the suspect punched the glass with his right arm, causing it to break"

      Haha, maybe it's just me but I watched it 3 times now and it's clear that if someone is holding one of your arms behind your back and pushing you forward into something hard that would hurt you (LIKE A FREAKIN WINDOW!!) that your first instinct is to use your other arm to defend your head. There would be no reason for that guy to punch the window if he wasn't being pushed into it.

      Then again, that cop probably figured that a MAN THAT IS BARELY ABLE TO STAND UP STRAIGHT would be too hard to detain without force...

    • 3 months ago
  • SleepDirt
    • 0
      SleepDirt  
    • KSirys:

      evtezcan
      That's my take as well. its a natural defense to put up your arm to protect the face.
      Clearly that happened here.
      What's more, as ploomis observed, on final approach the cop accelerated the thrusting of the guy's upper body into the glass.
      It's a clear instance of brutality and unchecked anger at some joker who is no more than the common drunk we have all seen a million times. Way unnecessary force.
      Cops today have very poor training and vetting. There is way too much of this shit.

    • 3 months ago
  • vinicius
  • Incredulous

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