Jesus Camp

I saw this documentary i don't know how long ago but it's good to see that you got the back story on this as well.

I will have to say seeing this recap of the doc reminded me how disturbed some people are.

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This honestly scared the shit out of me.They are brain washing those kids.Talk about leading lambs to slaughter.

Thanku ZenBeer,
This video just confirms my belief that the trouble with u is the trouble with me, we have 2 good eyes but we still don`t see. The self proclaimed "evangelists" & warriors 4 Christ still miss the mark. Seperation between church & state must have been removed from the constition with the patriot act.

Congratulations!!! I saw this doc just a week ago and was struck dumb in my seat. Being up to par on the news regarding this kind of movement I was still stunned watching its effect and persistence among youth. How do we break these trends? How do we combate this ideaology to give these kids a chance? We make docs like yours, so thanks again.

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Thanks for your support! I'm glad this piece is being picked up I have an interest in the seeing the film. Nice work!

Well done, BUT, I don't think your message was conveyed enough in the short amount of time presented. Such a documentary could take an hour, easily. I look forward to seeing the film in its entirety, tho! You've definitely sparked my interest. And, of course... congrats! :)

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Excellent!! Way to go Zen Man...well deserved.

Thank Rich, you have some great promos up there! I'm sure you'll get noticed soon with your work, it's excellent! -zen

Hey Zen, Congrats on your vid being "Picked for TV" and Thanks for all your green-light support. - Rich T

tell who's in tha house?!?! JC!!!
"oh my goodness, i didn't know this was possible"

Yeehawwww! Champagne tonight. :) -zen

Denied no more. Congratulations!

Ahh.... denied. Bragging rights only for now. :)

-zen

8:01pm EST Thursday, fingers are still crossed. -zen

To be honest, as a gay liberal athiest, I have nightmares that look like a lot of scenes from JESUS CAMP. I was afraid to see the film. But, this pod made me want to at least give it a try. Thanks!

this makes me want to see "jesus camp".. sounds interesting.

Thank you my fellow filmmakers and current community members for the #1 ranking, let's hold it here with your views and greenlights until 5pm PST tomorrow and see this video on TV where it belongs. I will watch all of your videos later today! And stay tuned for our next pod, coming in less than 9 days! It's been a good fight for relelvance, thanks for all of your support. -zen

Congratulations Zen man...definitely well deserved. If you have the time, check out my recently uploaded short here: link It's one the IDC entries...would love some feedback. Thanks...and congratulations again!

You movie is compelling. My only suggestion would be to change the techno like music behind the interview with the directors. What mood are you trying to create with that music. For me it was a little distracting, and jarring. Perhaps use more music from the actual film and overlay it with the interviews?

Woo hoo! #1 Way to go zen. Congrats on the bragging rights at very least. Hopefully it will hold. . .

Unbelievable piece! And so, so, so inspiring! I like the thorough description you included as well. Very professional and all-inclusive.

this is a great film that i was blown away by while covering silverdocs. i'm impressed that while evangelicals can rally around the film, the left can be terrified of it. overall it has some great messages that need to be out there because in a society that is so split, it's scary that we don't know more about each other. my only problem with the pod is that it makes the film appear to be more talking head than it is. also, the film has many more subtle messags about church and state, relationships with god, and the rise of a new type of conservative, which the pod shies away from by focusing on christian liberals.

Well done, left me wanting to see more. I would love to see Jesus Camp now.
My parents used to go to a church in the shape of a ball and people would cry and scream out during the sermons. That now seems normal compared to these kids.
Definitely a GL!

Please check out my piece "Talon the Warlord: IT Specialist"...thanx!

errr... "rewarded"... not "recorded". heh. Video editors slip there. :)

-zen

Thanks plisko, its great to be at #2 and still fighting for relevance. Especially when the pod at #1 is so topical and relevant itself. Even if we do not make TV play, which I suspect is going to be the case as the weeks go on, it has been a good fight. My name is there for the community to see, and hopefully remember as the months go on. My future pods will show them that these sorts of stories will always provide a voice for topical and relevant issues for them to explore.

That being said, my next 2 pods, which will comes pretty close to one another over a 3 week period (talk about a glutton for punishment) will cover 2 completely different topics. One on another upcoming film, and one for Yahoo travel (Prague here I come!), which I hope others will see and find worthy of their votes for TV airplay at Current.TV.

Thanks for the accolades my friend, we are fighting the good fight for relevance at Current.TV and I hope our persistence will be recorded.

Best of luck to you. -zen

d2thaj277:

Why are you trying to get videos for your TV channel that have already been optioned to this TV channel?

zen:

Number 2! Woo hooo!

Hippisteve, make sure you come to the regional board for North Jersey then! I'm trying to assemble a cadre of like-minded videits for production sessions and BSing about the industry outside the big Apple. -zen

The music on this documentary is stellar, madd props to liquid acrobat, whoever that is....

good one.. thats a .nice snap...my favorite christians are the Jehovahs Witness..they'll at least let 'You' entertain the notion that someone like Krishna might be GOD..will they're thinkin your the devil.....Oh i also like those snake handler one's and the ones that speak in tongues. Man i have always thought Jesus was cool ...... but his followers maybe..just a......."A littleoutthere" I'l have to see" Jesus Camp"...... but didnt it lose its distribution or something? also thanx for the luv and the typo stuff i adjust.. hey im from Jersey too! Rivervale..Englewood cliffs and stuff...What Up
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fejfilms, when you are right, you are right. Old pic back on profile. I think I panicked for no good reason. Current took care of that problem as soon as it happened, they are great that way. -zen

Good job. I like the fact that you brought this movie to us before it was distributed to the U.S.

On another note...I dont know if I like the new look. The bandana was much cooler. However, after reading a rave against you, I can understand why you would change avatars.

Good luck on your future work and root for the DETROIT TIGERS!!!

Well done,,, I dig how this opens a whole new reality on how are "american values" can be shown in a new light.

Cheers!

Food for thought my friend DanPersons... We tackled this pod as the movie was in pre-release, so there was not a lot of clips floating in the mainstream media. I've been debating a fresh edit of this and trimming down some of the movie clips and adding in more of the interview itself. I might have to see if I can get some newer clips not seen before as they did on Keith Olberman and Bill Mahr, seems like those guys got the entire movie sent to them, and we got a 12 minute clip tape. The price you pay for being 'current' (oh man, I know, bad pun). Thanks for the suggestion. There was a lot of good stuff that did not make it into the pod because we really didn't have b-roll to go with those questions we delved into. -zen

I could've gone with more of the interview and less of the film itself -- "Jesus Camp" has already gotten a lot of play in the press (at least in my neck of the woods), and I would've preferred getting a further glimpse into the filmmakers' heads. But kudos on unearthing some of the untold story behind the film, so GL from me.

We wanted to thank the community for keeping us in the top 5, my cameraman and I feel this is an important story about a great film with a timely message. With so many great pods in the top 10 we are honored that you've been watching this and sending us comments that range the gamut from heartfelt thanks to shock and dismay! Our next pod is in the works, and should be up in about 2 weeks and we hope you'll all enjoy that one as well. Once again thanks from the bottom of our hearts, and keep watching. We think this deserves to be on TV, -zen (& cameraman Rick)

Wow! I haven't seen the film but this is a really refreshing and interesting look at the "behind the scenes" reason for making the film....nice insight into the filmmakers themselves. I agree with Eirelav...nicely paced cutting...thoughts aren't obfuscated by glitz and glam...ideas flow nicely between the commentary in the movie itself and the interview with the filmmakers. I greenlighted this piece as I think this needs to be seen on TV in order to raise more awareness about the subject matter of the film. Nice job!

Well done, it deserves exposure. If anyone is interested check out "Searching for the Wrong-eyed Jesus."

Very interesting piece...there's been a lot of buzz about this documentary and this pod offers some very interesting insight into the directors' experiences and outlooks. Thanks!

Very interesting and almost frightening.
GL

Really interesting. Great job!

Thanks for your comment floridatvcrews. Actually one of the interview clips that did not make the final cut touched on the point you made. Rev. Becky Fischer makes a point of telling the audience that Moslems teach their children by the age of 5 to fast for Ramadan, and touches on 'training camps' that have children wanting to strap grenades to their bodies. It may be a culture conflict, where Americans cherish life and moslems cherish death when exposed to these extreme Wahabist notions of the Moslem faith.

I think a larger message from the film is saying Christians need to fight Moslem extremism with Christian extremism. A slippery slope argument at best.

Considering that the vast majority of Christians AND Moslems are peaceful, moderate (and dare I say, secular), this film is showing a very extreme view of Christianity not typically espoused by average, everyday human beings. I think it is for this reason the film is an important work and worth seeing by anyone who fears a plutocracy rising that does not represent the majority of moderate religious people (both Democrat AND Republican) in our country.

-zen

as a former Catholic then liberal and now conservative and have to say alot of the FACTS are misleading! i am for free speach and i will die for it... but take a look and do your own research after you see the VIDEO NOT A FILM and make up your mind. I did and i rather be a christian then a muslim anytime. take a look a spain, the start of the kins crusade to kick the muslims out not these radical muslims war on the west declared they want SPAIN back. you dont see that here in the U.S. but i was in spain and its all over the papers and radios. the people of spain now realize they picked the work president to lead them, basicly this story is one sided at least the christiens are not preaching there kids to warp explosives on there bodies and KILL inocent people.

All I can say that as compelling as this is, it's only the tip of some black iceberg, globally.
I GL and urge anyone to vote their conscience in November and again in two "long" years.

looks really good, thats cool that they gave you permission to use some footage from the movie, it really adds to the interview, you can see what they are talking about...

Wow, who would have thought? If I didn't know this was a doc, I would have thought it was an SNL skit. (-; I am not sure if editing it down a little bit would help you get on air, but good luck either way!

Congrats on the scoop. Compelling subject matter. Most appreciative of the objectivity, considering the dicey subject matter. Story is moved along effectively by the text screens, non-obtrusive, but important info that leads you into the next scene. Pacing perfect. Didn't feel too long, or short. Hope it gets air while the movie is in theatres. GL!

Hell yea! oh sorry please play this, very very good topic.

This is interesting for people to see. Politics and religion, what a mix that seems unavoidable.Gl

i didnt even have to watch it until the end to decide GREENLIGHT

You are scaring me. Greenlight for that.

Great hustle getting this story. This is a really importaint topic and I like the way it was handled. This should be TV bound. GL

Yeah I hate waiting for the buffer. If you mouseover the screen when it starts, and hit PAUSE and let the status bar load up a little bit (say 2+minutes) then the movie will play without having to re-buffer it while viewing. -zen

well done! as a non christian viewer, i find it very interesting. on one side of the world you got the muslims which are doing similar things like this people although not as slick as having summer camps. if my pc did have to buffer the movie a hundred times, it would even be better. definitely a green light from me. come to think of it, its a little short. needs to be a little longer.

Hi Tara, thanks for your question, I'll try to answer it as best I can.

After I found the jesuscampthemovie.com website in late August, I started with a series of emails to Magnolia Pictures and asked if they'd be interested in letting me do a piece "on spec" for Current.TV.

It took a little persuasion, a little demographical information (how many households Current is seen in), and a bit of luck.

I found the PR contact at Magnolia Pictures to be affable and very open to the notion of an interview. Bear in mind, I contacted them before the film had been released, because I saw the story was there, I could smell it.

After a few phone calls, & some more emails, I was invited to a press-screening in NYC for media types as a prerequsite to the interview, the filmmakers wanted journalists to see the film before they were allowed to interview them. I was given a 12 minute Beta SP copy containing several film clips after the screening.

Shortly thereafter (about 4-5 days later), we were invited to come to a press junket at a Hotel suite in NYC where all types of journalists showed up, but they were mostly radio and print media.

Myself and my cameraman Rick came in with his DV camera, and my 3 head light kit and EV mic. and set up in a side room at the hotel where they were conducting interviews.

I found Heidi and Rachel to be very open and honest about their film, and based on that interview, we decided to present the film in as unbiased a manner as possible to respect the filmmakers and the vision they presented to us for their reasons for doing it.

It was a learning experience based largely on my own time as a cameraman working in professional sports news the last 4 years, and realizing I needed to use the correct language to let them know I was there to do a story, nothing more.

I learned a lot from setting up the first pod we ever did in regards of how to contact people about a doing a story, these are the things I have learned. The hallmark of a good producer is being honest and upfront about your intentions first and foremost - you must gain their trust. We told them this video would be submitted to the online community to be voted on, and had an excellent chance of making airplay based on my perceptions of the film from the press-screening. They bit. And what you see is the fruits of that labor.

What we do is not rocket science. If you see a film that looks interesting, contact the film company. The buzz about Jesus Camp was on the web weeks before it hit mainstream media, that buzz helped me to formulate this story in my mind. This is what a journalist can feel, you will know if a story is compelling the moment you think of it - if you hesitate, it will be scooped up by someone who thought of it after you.

I think it was this knowledge, and our hunger to produce interesting and timely pieces, that led me to jump on the first two pods we did. But this one, through the successful efforts of the filmmakers with their movie, in addition to mass-media finally picking up on the buzz of Jesus Camp 3 weeks later, has to the best of my knowledge, helped us get noticed as the first televised media that picked up the story.

It's satisfying to think that our pod scooped everyone in TV first. Damn satisfying.

I wish this was on the air, and not sitting in the 'pod pool' but what are ya gonna do? Help us out and greenlight us. This story belongs on TV.

-zen

This is really great...I'm going to see the film tomorrow. I currently live in the Dallas, Texas area, and there aren't many showings of the film around here...I'm still trying to figure out why that is...Anyway, I think you did an excellent job capturing the movie along with the film-makers interviews..by the way, how in the world did you get an interview with the film-makers???

I just posted my mini-doc about hurricane Katrina for the "Seed's of Tolerance" contest..check it out and let me know what you think. This is my first project, I'm pretty proud of it, but I know I have lots of room for improvement;)

-Tara

After seeing the Countdown With Keith Olberman story on this film tonight, I am convinced that we have presented the most balanced perspective of this movie that you will see anywhere. -zen

this is very intrestng becouse just becouse!

I think that the film speaks for itself. This ia an adendum. Something that allows the film makers to speak. That seems to be the primary purpose of this piece adn it serves it well. there are few interviews with these film makers and this gives us an interesting window into a brewing contraversy. Big greenlight from me (my gl doesn't seem to count anymore though, I am sure that will be cleared up soon)

Sean G, thank you for your comments. I'm thinking of taking a handheld camera to one or two movie theaters and trying to get 2-4 quick comments from people who saw the movie to open the video pod. This would serve as a means to present a variety of opinions from moviegoers on what they thought of the film before we profile the co-directors and the film itself. Maybe that would balance the piece out some more. The reason we decided not to do this initially was two-fold, one was the time constraints in getting this pod out while the movie was still fresh in the media's eye, and two, since we have a budget of $0, travelling to somewhere in the mid-west (in addition to NYC) to get the opinions of moviegoers where the majority of evangelicals are from was not feasible from a budget standpoint. But I think your comments have shown us we need to add a few more elements to it for a 4th revision to round it out some more. Thanks! -zen

It has a very promotional feel to it, probably because you don't have any other perspectives other than the film makers. I don't care for the music you chose. I like it over - all.

Actually I think that the underlying intent was captured quite well, good intentions plowing the earth for the growth of tomorrows saviors or dictators. I think this clip will have a wide range of viewer conclusions from horror to heaven. nice job!

I couldn't tell who was more ridiculous, the moviemakers who were interviewed or the camp people who they filmed, and I couldnt spend more than 7 minutes to find out. Sorry, needs more work.

Edits are done! Version 3 is a much more complete video I think, let me know what you think, especially if you've seen version 1 and 2 over the last 2 days. I think I've finally gotten the hang of Video Egg. I rendered the final DV AVI in Sorenson Squeeze as a 640x480 MP4 with CD quality audio, it doubled the size of the rendered file from 30Mb to 67Mb, but the fonts are now crystal clear, and the video is not as pixelated. The audio seems a little blown out, so I might need to adjust the audio codec or the bitrate again until it's perfect, but for now I'm done with this piece. I'm going to do the same for my other pod on "the prisoner" and see if the quality improves. The Video Egg PDF, while lacking in some of the finer details, does make a good suggestion for rendering at 640x480, and the proof is in the final Flash 8 video file, that's for sure. -zen

Hmm, I'll think about that. I'm working on V3 now which will clip up the opening interview sequence a little more. -zen

The christian rap sequence seems like it could be cut.

Thanks for the comments fell2earth, any suggestions on elements in the pod that do not add to the piece overall that you could see hitting the cutting room floor? We put in film clips, because Version '0' (rough cut) was just a talking heads piece, and didn't really do it for us, magnolia pictures provided a promo reel that was about 12 minutes long from their press screening, and I decided to slice in film clips to make the pod visually appealing and show the viewer what the film is about.

We've been going over the pod with a fine tooth comb trying to present the film & our interview clips in a way where we don't seem like we are doing what you said. Hopefully version '2' will be posted later on today, which trims the clips down a bit, and has reworded some of the slates for clarity. Any suggestions from the community are always appreciated, as we are very proud of this piece, and want to see this hit the air. -zen

While the interviews intrigued me, the cuts of the movie somehow made the pod seem very promotional, commercial-like.

A very Current event. This network needs more material like this.