Every human life is precious

i believe if you fall become paralyzed and cannot walk you should have to live with your mistakes. and not be able to use a wheel chair. if you get step on a rusty nail and dont have a tetnis shot, you should just live with your mistake.

I completely disagree with Mike Huckabee. Pregnancy is a woman’s choice. A woman is the one that has to go through the bodily changes and emotional repercussions of having a child. Therefore, I am pro-choice. I think if a girl is raped that she should be able to get an abortion and making a young girl, or any raped victim in that matter, keep the child, is cruel.

i dont know where you got all that stuff from, i was making a very simple statement. obviously you implied what you wanted to make your views fit.... my view is very pro-earth. human population is a dilemma that we are going to need to look at soon enough, and its controversial across the board. look at china. maybe the solution is not pretty, not ethical, not palatable rightnow.

I myself would choose to not be recessitated if the situation were dire enough. as for abortion and the topic at hand. YES kill the little kids that we don't like and dont want and thats my opinion so dont try to sway me. Yeah theyre alive since conception, ive learned this since i went to catholic schooling my entire life. and no overpopulation isnt my reason for supporting abortion. i support abortion because I believe if we're going to take care of that child we can at least choose when we're ready to do that.

people should let their family know what to do with them in a situation like a coma or paralysis or severe health problems. I would want to die. It is not ethical to save some of these people and it is not ethical to kill them once they have been saved. medicine sometimes goes too far.

and by the way, its possible to carry these arguments without actually condemning the other person. i should flag your post but it would just get you more excited than you already are.

ii386 - so overpopulation is a your excuse for abortion? it's amazing to me that a leftist like you could so closely resemble adolf hitler. maybe we should kill off all the mentally handicapped too, they're life isn't worth as much as yours, is it? how about the blind, the deaf, the mute, the crippled? overpopulation, right? might as well kill everybody who's in a coma, they're just wasting space, aren't they? you're grotesque arrogance is appaling. get the fuck off your golden tower, you're so naive and pretentious. where do you get the cock and balls to pass such a sweeping, condemning judgement on humanity?

very quick and easy- the downfall and plaque of this earth is attributed solely to humans. and the problem with humans....overpopulation...

As a pro-lifer, I understand the fact that even if abortion is made illegal, that they will still occur. I just don't think it's right for the government to turn their head and allow it to happen.

Bravo DeeEeeTee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only ones who don't see that are the up and coming ignoramuses who feel the need to jump on some band wagon being driven by some republican spewing out fantastic lies, like the Piped Piper luring rats with a cute little tune. For the republicans themselves know what they are but would never admit it, for that is how they make their living, lying, cheating and thieving.

They want to make everything illegal, knowing they'll be the only ones who can buy their way out.

Disgusting bunch of hooligans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's nothing that comes on TV that'll make me switch channels faster than a republican, except for maybe a preacher. Kind of the same thing. I'm sure there is 1 or 2 good preachers and republicans out there somewhere, maybe!

scm23. I'm not for abortion either. I'm for choice. Because there are too many variables involved for some outside person to make that decision for someone else, especially when that person will not be contributing any support.

I always say, if you ain't supporting me in some way, then you ain't got nothing to say to me about how I live my life.

And as far as lowflying, forgive him, he's still a baby trying to become a boy. It must be a hormonal thing.

At the end of the day I think it's important what the woman wants and decides since she is in ultimate control of the situation. Even if abortion is made illegal, you have to understand that it will happen regardless. I doubt the number of abortions would even decrease because there are ways around anything. You might as well keep it legal and jack the price up on the procedure.

For those of you pro-life, what is your stance on pregnancy because of rape or incest? Should the victim suffer or should she be allowed to take the option and not go through months of torture?

abortion is killing. killing is wrong. it is not a woman's body, it is not a woman's right. this is the holocaust of our times.

OK swarming masses of liberals here at current.com, I'm ready for your incongruous excuses.

OK LFJ, you wont let me have my position, (even though I originally was talking to Mike) you only want to argue your position, and Mike is off campaigning in Iowa and skirts the issue, not addressing abortion, but says every life is precious, even though as governor he has personally put people to death. So, I'm going to take this moment to address your concerns. You say Dems (I'll be glad to be called a Dem, just don't call be a Republican or Conservative or GOP, or other evil, etc, but actually I'm an Independent Liberal who sees the future as never voting for a Republican.) "completely throw the most important part of abortion aside ... does a mother have the right to decide to end the life ...." My answer to you is: Yes, the current law gives her that right under certain circumstances. So, I'm done with you, and I wait to see if Mike has time to help you out. But I'll add two more items to address your concerns. 1) A women's body should only be controlled by others when the baby can live outside the body (Science may get to the first day of pregnancy or closer than what’s presently possible to save an aborted fetus, but the current law is still hanging in there as sufficient.). 2) Women sometime go through a half dozen or more miscarriages before a successful birth. I don't see you fishing those miscarriages out of the toilet to give them a proper burial. Think about it. Let's just consider all proper abortions as if they were miscarriages. And remember that you and the evil Republican party should try and do something about the precious lives that are already here, that you refuse to allow healthcare, you want to end social security, you want to end federal participation into education, you want to allow coal miner companies to get away with murderous work laws, etc. Why do I even go on, you're not listening.

What do you mean, it's fairness Too Low??/ Is it fair to bring someone into this world who is going to live hell on earth. Is it fair to that person, knowing good and well they are going to have misery their entire life, because 1 out of 100 of those particular babies may possibly have one day of laughter. And what is the cost of that and who is going to bear that cost.

Abortion may very well be just one more of the ways God plans for population control. Most of our problems have something to do with population and much of that of very low quality. What do you think animals do? It's part of nature. Something has to be done to eliminate some of the runts of life or soon we'd all be runts and retards. Just thank God you would never do such a thing and let those that would answer to God.

We have hurricanes and tornadoes for a reason, and wars and plagues and abortions and murders and disease and earthquakes and suicides and horrendous accidents and fires. Shouldn't we outlaw vehicles because there are so many deaths attributed to them? Shouldn't we outlaw wars? Shouldn't we disallow people to live in south Louisiana or the forested hills of California or along Tornado Alley, all because it is a fact that people are going to die?? Do they have a right to live somewhere where their odds of dying are quadrupled?

Life is unfair. Life is a B***h. Why cause more misery by making criminals out of everyone who does something that someone else objects to??? Abortion is a fact of life and has been since the beginning of time and always will be. What good will it be to put people in jail for it. A deterent? Putting people in jail for robbery and murder doesn't seem to be slowing down the crime rate. I'm not saying don't put robbers and murderers in jail, but doing so also has it's negative consequences on some innocent people too.

Some things in life are just necessary. Think about how many abortions have been done in the last 50 years. Add that number to the number of children those people would have had and the number of children those people have had and the overall quality of life of those 3 generations and the total cost involved in those particular individuals. We're not talking thousands of dollars and maybe not even millions. Oh, that's right, you're a republican, put the cost off on our children's children. You won't be around anyway, so what does it matter???????????

if it's a question of fairness, think about the life inside the mother. does it deserve to be ended so as to save it from undesireable conditions? if so, we might as well wipe out all children in the run down inner cities that have terrible lives. it's all a question of fairness

Too Low
How many people did you say were willing to adopt babies born to sickly, addicted, alcoholic, HIV infected, dirt poor women???? And when these babies don't get adopted, who's going to support and take care of them for the rest of their lives???
If there's so many people willing to adopt, why are there 10s of thousands of kids in foster homes all their childhood lives??? Maybe it's because people who can pass the test to adopt might actually not want a whole lot of what's available???????

Don't get me wrong. Abortion is a horrible thing and I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd say otherwise. Abortions are going to happen, like it or not. Why should poorer people get into trouble for doing it, when wealthier people wouldn't? It's actually the same for everything else also. You know good and well wealthy people have their daughter's get abortions all the time and cover it up, to spare the embarrassment of it all, while the poor girl is resigned to using a coat hanger and can't even think clear enough to be concerned with embarrassment.

It's all a question of fairness. That's what this country is supposed to be all about.

there were studies done that proved there were more people willing to adopt than there are babies for adoption. scenario 2 solved.

and scenario 1 may happen a couple times a year. there could be a separate clause to deal with that (murder is illegal, but you can defend yourself... thats the kind of clause im talking about)

and how dare you make an assumption about who i am... you have no basis to judge me

To DeeEeeTee.
Please!! Please!!! It's not me. Something must have gotten crossed. I'm a Democrat down to the deepest cells in my bones. I believe we all have a right to share in the party, not just the elitists.
This is a great country because of ALL of us, not just the carpet baggers. Actually, it's them that give us the black eye.

To WayTooLow FlyingJets!!
Us Dems?!?
Who's been in extreme power for a very long time????
The president, the congress, the supreme court, that's who!!! All republicans.
And did they change the abortion laws???
Of course they didn't!!!! Because they're full of it. It's all just talk on their part. They know women across the board would not tolerate it. But they continue to try to make it out to be the Dems who are keeping the abortion rights.
You are going to tell me (forgive me here) little white boy who probably ain't poor, that if your little sister of 14 years old gets raped by an ugly old diseased man of another race, religion or creed, you are going to demand that there ain't no way in hell she should even consider such an evil thing as abortion and that she should go through 9 months of pregnancy to have that baby and then do what with???? Keep it and raise it, with the help of your parents, the church, the government???Who??? Or how about the crack/heroin addicted 82# pitiful woman who is already on welfare, in and out of jail, likely to be selling her body???? Yes, please, let's all demand that she have that baby and stand up and do what's right.
Time for you to look around and realize this ain't heaven, man!!!

the issue is NOT whether or not it will be done anyways. EVERYTHING THATS OUTLAWED IN THE WORLD IS DONE ANYWAYS. the issue here is the life of the child inside the mother. you democrats completely throw the most important part of abortion aside. you dont evne address it. its like any sentence that has the wotds "life" and "unborn child" in it are invisible to you. the question: does a mother have the right to decide to END the life of an unborn child... does she have the right to take away the chance for a living human being to be born into this world and live his life, believing whatever he wants to believe, doing what he wants to do, accomplishing things, small or great? the answer is no. you do not have that right. and whether or not people are going to do it anyways has NOTHING to do with whether or not it should be a law. it is the principle of the matter. like ive said before, not outlawing murder because people will do it anyways isnt going to solve the problem. we need to solve the problem.

LFJ: first Current sent this to you, my response to Mike (Mike is the guy who is pictured at the top of the page, the guy who originated the "added topic".) because you were the last person to respond to Mike's page of responses. (And, since I had to explain that to you, then I see one reason why you're a supporter of the evil Republican party.) Now re-read my earlier response or let me try to write it in words that a Republican can understand (Like Enron or WorldComm): Since people will break the law anyway (No I'm not saying let Enron get away with crime, but I thought you would.), I give you this situation: we have a rich man from the evil Republican party get two women in a condition where neither one wants his baby, and since a rich woman will always be able to find a doctor to do the dirty deed, it's only fair that the poor woman should not have to find more dangerous ways to live life, while the evil Republican man sits back and says "the babies are not mine, but don't let those women go back to their high paying jobs, make them have the babies." Do I have to write the whole screen play or what? Yea, we don't live in a perfect world, but as long as it works for rich evil Republicans (especially the men) then let the rest of the world act like crabs in a barrel. If they get out then welcome to the evil Republican party!

Yea, yea, yea. Now ya'll are wanting to start a 3rd war because the other 2 aren't going so well. How many thousand lives has the republican machine murdered, maimed and destroyed since 9/11? Sanctity?!?! Hmmmm, if you rearrange those letters you can come up with At Sin City we believe in the sanctity of life, ours, not yours.

first of all, who is mike? are you talking to me? if not, disregard what i'm about to say

you said some really stupid things in your last post

"and women will continue doing what they think that they have to do, to fix their (life)"

what are you saying here? that women should be able to have drunk or otherwise unprotected sex whenever they want, and, if they somehow become pregnant (more than 70% of the time) they should be able to get out of it by aborting the baby? no. you need to take responsibility for your actions. if you make a bad decision one night and end up pregnant, you shouldnt be allowed to "fix your life" by taking another. you need to live with what you've done. and if youre really so desperate as to coat hanger yourself to kill a baby, you have more problems than just your pregnancy. it needs to be illegalized, and abortion needs to be dealt with with HEAVY penalties, so coat hanger abortions won't happen. of course a few will, murder still happens, but we dont live in a perfect world, there are some idiotic people out there

and, by the way, what i like most about you is how you really care about the issues, not just voting with your party all the time (extreme sarcasm)

exhibit a: your public info:

Influences / Heroes:
blah blah blah... and those currently running for the Democratic nomination for US President.

hard to take someone like that seriously

Me too! omgitsyary ------
Mike, you skirted the issue again. I think that the law should stand as it is currently, yet I believe every life is precious. I remember when women would be forced to go to other states (desperate women), to do something you and I can't do, and would not do if we were women, but they did, and women will continue doing what they think that they have to do, to fix their (life), etc. So you would allow them to coat-hangar themselves to death (two precious lives wasted)? Or, kill the doctor and mother (I know you believe in the death penalty.) for having an abortion? Don't skirt the issue Mike! Oh, by the way, Mike, preacher man, what's your god going to say when you face him for carrying out the death penalty?

"if it is exclusively human lives you are talking about, then i don't see the problem there, you don't have a life before ur born. U are alive, but have no real place in this world whatsovever. Only inside your mother, and I strongly stand by the idea that it is her choice if she doesn't want to bring you into her life"
if youre alive how do you not have a life? you idiot

and you may not have a place in the world during the time you are inside your mother, but, barring an abortion, you WILL have one once you're born. how can you not believe that a child should get that chance? where did we go wrong to let humans decide whether or not other humans have the right to be born or not? its disgusting

Conservatives make me sick!

Stardate,

"There is a difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality. One is not superior than the other but they are different. Why should we ignore this difference just because two persons love each other and want to marry?"

Two consenting loving adults wish to have rights like their (according to you) non-superior counterpart and to be acknowledged politically and socially as life partners? what a silly little idea.

It has nothing to do with "yeah! lets go offend those conservatives!" and more to do with wanting equal rights. Not different rights, but equal. You say that one is not superior than the other, but one has more rights and more society acceptance over the other. That's superior. And it should not be that way. They want the same legal benefits and just to be recognized and acknowledged by society and their government that is supposed to be representing their wishes.

Maybe prejudice wasn't exactly the word I intended. My point was that the republican party (including Huckabee) exhibit unfair treatment of certain demographics, yet goes out of their way to defend microscopic blastocysts. As for your statement on the sanctity of the word marriage, I disagree with you. Marriage, like any other word, needs to be adapted to fit the zeitgeist. Right now, since homosexuality has rapidly become publicized and largely accepted, the word marriage marriage needs to be modernized. Many words we use today are just colloquialisms; devoid of their original meaning. Why not allow everyone to marry? The examples of unlawful marriages (13 yr. old and polygamy) both have reasons. A 13 year old is not yet mature enough to handle the responsibilities (and activities) that marriage entails. Polygamy is a male supremecist ideal and demeans women. It is just plain unfair. Gay marriage is not harming anyone, so I don't see what's wrong.

@dco

As far as I know Huckabee has nothing against immigrants per se. He opposes illegal immigration which is hardly the same as "prejudices against many demographics".
If punishing people who break the law is prejudice
maybe we should let every criminal off the hook.

Also, you don't need prejudice to oppose gay marriage.
I have no problem with gays but I would keep the institution of marriage where it is now: between a man and a woman.
There is a difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality. One is not superior than the other but they are different. Why should we ignore this difference just because two persons love each other and want to marry?
It's not that you can marry whoever you want.
You cannot marry your brother, your daughter, your first cousin. You cannot marry a 13 years old and you cannot marry 10 people at the same time.
But you don't think those are also civil right issues, do you?
Why not? Why do you single out gays?

"Furthermore, I was saying that the perty to which he is a member, and which holds these views on ESCR, holds prejudices."

That's precisely why I asked you about Huckabee.
He speaks on this video not the Republican party.
He like everyone else is only responsible for what he does. Not for what others in his party do.
Blaming individuals for things other people who are somehow associated with them do is one of the most often used political attacks. And it's unfair.

Stardate - Huckabee (though acknowledging their citizenship) denies gays the right to marry. Denying any PERSON civil rights is prejudice. Same for immigrants. Furthermore, I was saying that the perty to which he is a member, and which holds these views on ESCR, holds prejudices. Huckabee, of course, isn't exempt from this, but my comment was not necessarily directed solely at Huckabee.

I agree with Stardate. By the way Jade double posts, insults, and confrontation with users is spaming/trolling posting your viewpoint isn't.

@jade

"are you ever gonna express your own point of view and take a risk like everybody else,"

Is there a risk in expressing a point of view here?
I didn't know that. Now I will watch my back.

" I would really like to know what you think. :)"

I think I should get an answer to this:

Did you see Huckabee himself show prejudices against any let alone many demographics?
When where?

stardate, are you ever gonna express your own point of view and take a risk like everybody else, or are you going to keep on searching for what you think is wrong with other people's comments??

I would really like to know what you think. :)

@dco

"Conservatives like yourself have prejudices against many demographics"

Did you see Huckabee himself show prejudices against any let alone many demographics?
When where?

I agree with Roman Lions! Thank u!

u saved me from havin 2 research! lol jk

Pr Bush Sr declare that atheists are not valid citizens and do not deserve civil rights. Conservatives like yourself have prejudices against many demographics, but seem to be overwhelmed with sympathy for microscopic clusters of anonymous cells. Sure, a third trimestor fetus is human enough, but a line needs to be drawn. A blastocyst is not a human. It is capable of no advanced processes, posesses no brain, heart, nervous system, or any distinct traits whatsoever. it is a tiny sample of biological tissue. It is not alive.

LOL, ABORTIONS WITH BULLETS... you tickle me... :)

If we value every life how come we are blowing Iraqi lives away every day? Are their lives not as valuable as an unborn fetus? Maybe it would be more acceptable if we performed abortions with bullets?

But the difference is, someone with a genetic illness can still survive, at least for some amount of time. A fetus, at the early stages, cannot--so can it really be considered alive?

are you saying that all life is sacred? or just human life?

do you eat broccoli, Mr.?

if so i guess you are being a hypocrite.

if it is exclusively human lives you are talking about, then i don't see the problem there, you don't have a life before ur born. U are alive, but have no real place in this world whatsovever. Only inside your mother, and I strongly stand by the idea that it is her choice if she doesn't want to bring you into her life. If she feels she can deal with it, or not, and also if she is going to be able to handle herself emotionally after her decision has been made.
If she believes you have a place in her world congratulations, your born. If not, you won't even miss it.

what is up with those people, that defend fetuses and their previous stages, but once you are born they don't give a shit about you anymore.

It is about protecting the ones that are already here.
Isn't that why you are also against immigration? why should this be any different?

I'll give a more researched and educated answer later. Maybe. But for now these are just my raw feelings,based on what I already know about the subject, which is very little. But I do not believe you know much more about it than I do!! :)

xD!