Clinton VS. Obama: The final democratic primary debate

The media picked them because either one will be easy to beat. It must be okay because we aren't out in the streets demonstrating because Kucinich and Edwards got no news coverage. I guess we get what we deserve. Four more years of Republican rule and more war.

Thank you, Omnihilum. I have checked out Dr. Paul's policies. While he is impressive on Constitutional issues, I don't agree with his solutions on global warming, health care and church and state issues. But out of the Republicans, he's the only one who doesn't make me puke. lol.

Hi covelogibbs,

I completely agree with you on the media. The corporate noise machine killed John Edwards' campaign. I was an Edwards supporter until the very end and I'm absolutely disgusted what "mainstream media" has done to our Democracy.

So sadly, we're left with two centrist candidates now. The two that don't threaten corporate powers so much. But when I got down to comparing the issues, it was Clinton who came out more progressive of the two. (Shocking! I know). But facts are facts. And that's what I use to base my decisions on.

As for feelings, they didn't just bring us George Bush. They also brought us Reagan and Nixon. As you can see, the American voting record isn't so good when it is based on feelings.

Hi Darlini,

Here is where you will find out about where each candidates stand on the issues:

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

Here is where you'll find out about their voting records:

http://www.vote-smart.org/

And here is one comparing the candidates on environmental issues in particular:

http://www.grist.org/candidate_chart_08.html?source=liveearth

I don't know about you, but that last one is pretty important to me.

Phoemix_fire999: I dissagree. It wasn't the Clinton's runinng the counrty and providing 22 million jobs for our working class... IT WAS BILL!

Get it stright hommie...

I agree that we need to look beyond what CNN, FOX, MSNBC and the like are nattering on about--that Obama and Clinton have taken their gloves off for the thousanth time and minute to minute analysis of what candidates are wearing and whether tears are real or not. We, as a nation are smarter than this and it is time we act like it. So, as a first step in acting for myself I would love to examine the voting records of all candidates. This is a newbie question but: where can we find said records? Is there a government database of this stuff? I would love it if someone could guide me to it. I have yet to make up my mind, especially since Kucinich and Edwards left. They were my 'if only' candidates--as in, if only they could actually win. . .

I we were to look at voting records and facts, we would all have voted for Kucinich. The second best choice, Edwards, is now out, so we have the lesser of two weavels to choose from. Will one make much difference over the other? I think not. Are they both qualified to run the country? Yes, they are, but keep in mind the bar is set pretty low right now. I hope that even Republicans turn out to vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever that may be.

Who is deciding who we get to vote for? I'll give you a hint, it's not "we the people". It seems obvious that the media is in charge and therefore the corporations are really running things.

Our political system is broken, but hey, look on the bright side: the economy and our health care system look pretty good by comparison.

phoenix, Bush won both times, but not by votes. What gives you hope that the 2008 election will not be stolen as well? I'm looking for signs of hope, but they're not obvious to me.

I disagree. I think Hillary would make a great president. I don't understand why all this visceral hatred towards her. She and Obama are nearly identical in voting records. Moreover, her policies are more progressive than Obama's on curbing global warming, health care, mortgage crisis relief and job creation. Remember, the Clintons created 22 million new jobs in the 90's. Compare that to Bush's paltry 3 million. We need a president who already knows how to create jobs. Lots of them. It's the vehicle to lifting millions out of poverty. Furthermore, her moratorium on foreclosures and interest freeze will save millions of families from losing their homes. (She totally copied Edwards when it comes to domestic issues. But hey. It just shows she has good taste.)

Her solid grasp of the issues and intelligent plans have won me over. There's this perception that Obama will bring us hope and inspiration while Hillary is an issues wonk. Issues are not "wonky". Issues matter. They tell us *how* a president will solve our problems.

Furthermore, I would caution any voter not to vote on feelings alone. In this age of high media manipulation, you can't be sure what you're seeing is really the truth about each candidate. Better to look at their voting records and stated issues. aka: the facts.

After all, when America voted on feelings, it got us George Bush. Twice! Charm and likability is not enough. Understanding of the issues matter.

With that being said, I will get behind Obama if he is the nominee. But on super Tuesday, Hillary has my vote.

Wow.. (Omnihilum) Franklin's quote is brilliant and quite scary... With that being said I'm a strong supporter of Obama. America needs a fearless leader not one that cry's for sympathy. Not one who try's to cheat by campaining in a state where either of the opponets attended. A leader which doesn't have their significant other helping pave the way for their success or possibly failer. I want a leadership and personally I think if Hillary was to get into office, she's going to be the bigest bitch on the planet. She's going to do what ever she please and ignore Bill's opioions. It's a scary thought having a person like her having so much power. Another thing... I'm all for unity however I don't think she could and would do it. She talks really bad about Bush and the Republican party which pisses alot off people within the counrty. (Woodywoodbeck) I've read many of your blogs and I actually think your quite brillant, however my only advise for you is to read inbetween the lines and see what another dynasty of the Clintons would and will do for our counrty. God Please let Obama win the (nom) because if he doesn't I'm voting republican.

Changing the system isn't as easy as it sounds, so we can't lead on thinking that it is. We all know if change was so easy in this country things would be MUCH different. As of right now, what will NOT change, is that people have a right to pick a party, follow that party as they will, vote for a candidate within that party; what I am suggesting is to stop turning the candidates against one another; pinning the highly qualified, educated, and capable candidates against each other and realize as individual parties we have GREAT people running to represent US.

Once the new president is elected...then we HAVE TO unite; we have to, for the sake of this country. However we do that...I don't have a solution...if I did; I'd run for president!

Let's be real here for a minute people. This is politics. Say what you will but ALL of these people, no matter how clean they look, are playing a dirty game. If they say they aren't they are flat out lying.

With that said, these two are two of the most educated, well prepared, well calculated candidates who are BOTH totally capable of running this country. Don't be fooled by what the media builds up and creates these alter-egos of sorts for these candidates.

Look at the facts, look at their policies, look at the experience...THIS is what you need to base it on...

People, we have to start looking forward...enough of this well this person said this so I'm not voting for them...flat out...The democrats either way are looking pretty good compared to the republicans and we need that...we have to unite again not only as people but as one country and though I support Hillary in her run; I will back Obama 100% if he gets the seat.

The heart of change lies within all of us...as one united force; not two separate parties.

Flordia hasn't yet been counted but because of the amount of people that did come out to vote and pressure from the democrats...they may end up including those delegates on the floor at the DNC.

I find it really frustrating that because other states have their primaries earlier, by the time it gets to California we're already down to two candidates... Even if I may have voted for Obama anyway, I'd still prefer to have Edwards as an option!

But, I have to say, I'd be even more upset if I lived in Florida where the democratic primary vote is not being officially counted into the tabulation. How is that not a bigger deal to people?