It was good to invade, and we shouldn't leave yet.

Oh, and why can't we be buddy-buddy with the radicals?

I've decided that would be a worthy endeavor.

I totally enjoy your emulation choice.

I can hear Bill O'Reilly through the wall right now...
what a handy thing the volume button can be!

Fine. I still don't think that that region could ever live together in peace without sum sort of gov't, because there is a deep set hatred between shiite and sunni.
Its just those people are stupid and primitive and they will never stop being a threat until they are dead, why, because they are brainwashed by a B.S. religion that tells them to kill people (namely us).
I will agree to disagree with you on this one, but i still think that the only way to make things better is to set up a effective gov't. Or drop .....nevermind.

i emulate o'reilly because he's awesome! He isn't rude 2 me, he just doesn't let people spin on his show.
Good luck getting those brute animals to think of themselves as humans.
You should be proud to be living in the greatest nation in the world.

They may not be set in stone, but I live in the present, and right now America is #1 and we are at war.

Fair enough.
(I wouldn't call you those names because I think it's rude to generalize a person you're having a discussion with and disregard what they say because you think they agree with everything one political party says. I'm just talking to you and what you say.)

Sources are so tricky! I don't know what to do about that. I think there's too many contradictions by 'experts' anyway. One expert says one thing about the towers and another says the opposite. Or about anything for that matter. So called 'facts' shouldn't be this subjective. I guess it comes down to who each of us trusts. and our perspective. You're not the only person that's been hounded for sources. I do it to others a lot, and I get it done to me.
I take it you're that you're sincere, but I just think we're coming from complete different sides of everything.

Snowball's chance in hell? This is why it wouldn't work- because people disregard it as impossible. If we can get to the fucking moon and dissect ourselves down to eensy weensy little atoms and molecules than you'd think we could figure out how to live together. I don't mean "world peace!" because there's always conflicts.
You ask iraqis, or anybody, for that matter, what they'd prefer and they'd say they'd rather just be in small communities. The only reason it won't work is because no one wants to be the first one to step out. even when people do they're squashed for being dissenters. And for the ones that don't- excellent! Let them make their own government. I just don't get why we require people to be involved in governments they don't care about or hate and want no part of. It's all turf and money wars. I don't believe people should be owning land. I understand people want private space, I want to be secure too, but government and territory aren't what they used to be. It used to be a common people on a space they had their stuff. now it's entities, that really aren't on behalf of any common people, and that no one cares about declaring that they own huge expanses of land that only they can inhabit and control. there's too many people on too small of a world.

I still don't understand why you emulate o'reily. you may think he's witty, but he's rude and insensitive to me.
I would urge Islamic radicals to think of themselves as humans as well. Not as Muslims. But just because they aren't doesn't mean you can't go first.
I'm just saying we're more than citizens in a country. The country is here to serve us, we are not created to serve the country.
Being nationalistic does nothing except puff up pride that is only founded on being born here(which you didn't choose) and years of conditioning.

I guess we're going to disagree on principle, but I just wish I could help you understand that countries and all these things you're so riled up about aren't as set in stone as you think.
If you have no choice- it's not freedom.

to the 1st dude: I would love to know wat was proven wrong that was in my talking points.

To ILiveonaClock: Well I would give you the sources but you failed to tell me the facts you wanted sources for.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4 I think this link will hopefully answer most of your 9/11 conspiracy claims.
I never related Saddam with 9/11, I related him to the global terror threat and the war in Iraq. How has the situation improved? well for one we have one less threat in the world, we have killed many members of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, the Iraqis are free, and we have one more gov’t in the middle east that is our ally. There is a snowball’s chance in hell that your idea for having tribes and local gov’ts… will work because if there is no cohesive gov’t then terrorists and dictator’s will just take back over!

Oil is a factor, but wat I was saying in the video was that it wasn’t any where near the main reason for entering Iraq (as the bush bashers think)
I am satisfied with whats going on because we are KILLING the enemy, not waiting for them to kill us.
Wat that I have said could be classified as “he said, she said”???
WTF, think of us as a species…. I don’t think that’s how Islamic radicals are thinking considering they are hell bent on killing us! I think as an American 1st 

I would love to know what words I said have no critical thought or research. (no generalizations plz. ex: “Everything you said Neoconservative Nazi!” or “Stupid republican! why should I tell you!”)

BTW, why am I the only person on this website who is obligated to have a source link for everything I say when half of the viewpoint videos have half ass arguments that could have been formed by a monkey.

Really? Are you sure, 1029394? Where did you get these facts? Can I get some sources?
What do you have to say about 9/11? Experts saying that it was controlled explosion? the towers falling straight down(no, the steel didn't 'melt' and buckle and collapse)? Wow! and they found an unscathed passport right on top in the rubble! It's a miracle from God considering that EVERY OTHER THING IN THE PLANES WAS OBLITERATED. What about building 7? It just happen to be empty (like the wing of the pentagon) and collapsed too? This isn't liberal media. This is from eyewitnesses and architects and other building experts.
I'm asking you this person to person. I'm not going to call you a conservative or a fascist or an asshole, so don't call me a liberal or a spazz or an idiot.(i'm not a liberal, I'm an anarchist. Do your reading before you freak out over it though.)
You make a good point with Saddam. although he had NOTHING to do with 911 whether you believe the US planned it or not, he was still a horrible torturing menace. I just don't see how the situation has improved. I don't think America or democracy is the answer. Democracy and dictatorship are not the only options and I don't think it was our right to impose one or facilitate the other. I think that area would fair well with no cohesive government. Tribes and local governments that communicate would be my answer(i guess thats how I feel about all government though, something so distant and removed cannot sustain the needs of the people it controls). There is no way that part of the earth can grow or settle tensions because they aren't going to agree on as a big country.
Oil is a factor. Don't deny it. It's not the only one, but it is one. Remember Turkey in the Cold War?
I said things like you too. I was behind Bush and the US and FREEDOM. But my friend... you are satisfied with whats going on because you are still comfortable. There's no reason for you to bite that hand thats feeding you. Except that it's beating the rest of the people who aren't exactly like you. That's a moral decision you'll make though.
I just don't see any critical thought or research in your words. The sources you're getting this from have everything to lose if you don't believe what they say. They have to keep telling you what you want to hear to keep themselves floating. independent media is news, not business.
Think of yourself as human, just a simple human, for a little while. Stop the he said, she said and just think about us as a species.

kid, all your talking points were proven wrong like 2005, catch up w/ the times

tip: do yourself and us a favor, join the marines