Wesley Clark on McCain's military 'experience'

Please, Grampers scored fifth from the bottom of his academy class. FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM!!!!

Let's just all join General Clark in telling the unembellished truth about Maveric, the Rage Barron. The only reason he even got a plane in the first place was because he was a third generation legacy of the Navy. That he didn't crash and kill himself is more of a miracle than his capture and torture is heroic. His capture and torture was not only the consquence of his academy class standing as a legacy, but a true testament of his service. T'is no wonder he never made it to admiral. Then he went on to be bested for the Presidency by an AWOL chickenhawk who evaded his ANG tour to get out of testing positive for coke.

What a LOSER!!!

Paratus, obviously McCain was never that good of a pilot if he got shot down.

Paratus, if you still think that the majority of the people at GitMo are the "worst of the worst" then you haven't been following the news.

Much to the ongoing embarrassment of the Bush Admin it's being revealed that, no, few (if any) of these guys being held at GitMo are hardcore terrorists. A shocking number are turning out to be totally innocent.

Many of them were turned over for bounty -- for bounty! -- to the US by neighbors either who wanted the money or had an axe to grind.

This idea that we're "capturing" armed rebels with extensive military training and high level contacts with serious terrorist groups and holding them at GitMo is a total fantasy.

When McCain was tortured in Vietnam it didn't do a damn thing to help the Vietnames "defeat" the US military, did it? All it was was just a horrible experience that did nothing to help our enemies "win" in Vietnam. McCain was an actual soilder, but he didn't have any information that could be used to defeat the US army. The dudes we rounded up in GitMo, as you pointed out, aren't even offical soilders! And many of them aren't even connected in any, way, shape or form to any terrorist cells anywhere.

So you'd think McCain would realize the folly of randomly rounding up (without evidence) Iraqi turned over to US soliders for bounty and then torturing them and randomly screaming, "Where's Osama?" It's inhumane and, more importantly from a strategic point of view, it's totally ineffective because these guys don't actually know anything.

And yet because he fears he'd lose the support of his Republican base if he adopted such a "bleeding heart liberal" Democratic position on GitMo he is siding with Bush.

I honestly don't think McCain agrees with the bounty, GitMo, the torture, ect. I think he's just going along with it because he feels it's the only chance he has to win the White House.

McCain had more experience in the Navy than just being a POW. I think those who criticise him for what happened while he was at the Hanoi Hilton should take a moment. Until we have walked that mile we know nothing about it.
Wesley Clarke may make a good VP but Hussein Obama would not make a good P.

crob80277, I see no POW's in Gitmo. Those in Gitmo are not soldiers of a nation state. They are terrorists. Some are there after being captured whil waging war against Americans. Some were released a while ago and returned to the business of killing Americans. They do not follow the Geneva accord and neither should we. The left wants Gitmo shut down, ok then. If we capture terrorists in the act in theatre I would suggest that the proper way to deal with them would be to agressively interrogate them at that time and then put a 5.56 in their head. No Gitmo, no problem.

Wow, that pretty much negates McCain's whole platform.

Go, Wes!!! Obama/Clark 08 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't stand that pair of sheeple newscasters.

Modern media is an unfortunate affair in regards to the disrespect those pundits exhibited while General Clark was trying to speak. One of the things I hate the most is their inability to allow someone to make a well defined concise point without barking like untrained dogs in the background.
How many times does a well educated and experienced person have to say the same thing before those parrots realize whatever they are saying shows their ignorance. (sometimes it works the other way around)
Really, for me, just the courtesy of letting someone speak is one of the foremost "good manners."

Being a former POW I am still shocked the McCain is utterly indifferent to the POW's Bush is keeping locked up in GitMo.

Instead of being outraged based on his own personal experiences of being held without charges and "aggressively interrogated" McCain seems to be going along with it and deferring all his decisions to Bush -- a man who neither served in actual comabt conditions nor was ever a POW.

Why?

What the hell is McCain thinking?

And then he proclaims (loudly and repeatedly) that he doesn't really care how long he keeps US troops mired in a civil war in Iraq. He just shrugs he shoulders and says -- so what? What's a few more dead bodies on either side?

I we really sure this guy was ever in the military???

Sure doesn't sound like it.

I've always resented the fact that our current President was so eager to go to war when he himself escaped his opportunity to serve. At the very least, McCain knows more than anyone first hand what war looks like, and didn't run even when he had the chance. Great perspective on the fact that it doesn't necessarily make you an effective leader or strategist, but it certainly tells you that he won't leave you hanging in the trenches. I think that would be a much better sell to me.

OBAMA CLARKE YEAH GREAT COMPLIMENT

Wesley Clark would make an excellent VP choice for the reasons he poinently outlined in this segment. He would do very well in debates, and could offer the military advice and leadership that would trump McCain's one "strength" going into the general election. I would be very excited to see either Clark, Hagel or Biden on the ticket w/ Obama...

There is nothing better than seeing honest men with integrity elequently articulate the truth in the face of annoying, biased media; nicely done Wesley.

I applaud him McCain for serving America however, he wasn't the only one that was a hero in his era. Shell-shock describes him more accurately. Regardless of what one may say, the impact of the war has affected him negatively. To deny that it didn't is a problem you need to address with yourself. "A Lost is a lost".

Again, if you didn't know the Bush-McCain show has been cancelled.

Seriously,

He admitted to telling them the name of the ship he was on, how many planes it carried and where the rescue boats went to pick up people. Slightly more information than name rank, and number. I've found that several places on the web.

Obama/Clark in 08 would be a sweet ticket.

looks like msnbc is a McCain supporter

I really like him he is very well spoken

Telling it like it is. Being captured and held as prisoner of war is not necessarily experience to lead the military, or the country.

Excellent coverage

Good stuff.