Mike Gravel calls for independent 9/11 investigation and prosecution of Bush and Cheney
source: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/17/former_senator_mike_gravel_calls_for
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" I view this very, very serious. I don’t see the body politic having the guts to go out and make a new—a real new investigation, because the way politicians act, whether it’s Democrat or Republican, “Oh, we’ll investigate a little bit, but let’s not go too deeply, because we’ve got to cover their backside, because they’ll cover our backside,” and it’s too political in nature.
And so, with the commission that we’re talking about 9/11 here in New York City, now that’s a commission that’s going to be a real commission. And that commission now can make a true investigation as to what happened on 9/11, but not just 9/11, because the war is tied with that. And so, this will give us an opportunity to vertically go into all the backup to this data and have subpoena powers to have people testify. Now, if a person perjures themself here with the New York commission, it’s perjury, so it’s a crime. And so, maybe, maybe this will give us an opportunity to have justice, and we can begin subpoenaing the President of the United States—at that time, he’ll be the former president—and the Vice President and go on down into the boughs of the intelligence and a whole host of areas to get to the truth. We don’t know the truth. "
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muffin2062
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I wonder what they will do to insure that this commission wont be the same as the last one?
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muffin2062
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titopadilla
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Mike Gravel on Democracy Now!
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titopadilla
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ThomasGreen
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there is plenty of evidence from 9/11 to be found. Let's start with security camera footage from the pentagon.
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ThomasGreen
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muffin2062
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most of the evidence from 9/11 is gone, either destroyed or shipped away to another country so an actual investigation wouldn't yield anything conclusive.
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muffin2062
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zbialick
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Blow it out of the water! Get those dirtbags.
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zbialick
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mikefisher
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I wish his presidential bid would have went better. Gravel is a man who knows that the system is broken. Those who are responsible deserve to be held accountable, both foreign and domestic.
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mikefisher
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CarlosIsDown
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For faith in humanity, I hope they didn't lie and instead were really just incompetent.
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CarlosIsDown
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Leonidis
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Like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, Gravel is a man that speaks the truth and says it like it is.
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dgold0101
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heliarc
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dgold0101:
LIHOP and MIHOP theories abound, but the journalists featured in Loose Change include Dan Rather and a lot of pundits who were in the MSM and were then silenced. There are facts in Loose Change that are quite biased, but its main point is that there aren't enough cohesive facts on the issue, and the issues should be looked into.
There are quite a few motives that aren't all that implausible. WTC was losing money, and it had changed hands from the Port Authority to Larry Silverman who had multi billion dollar insurance policies out on the buildings.
But we really don't know because there are so many holes in ALL of the separate conspiracy theories (including the official one.) Calling for another investigation seems perfectly reasonable.
I have my own theories and think it's most likely that Attah et al were assets of the US intelligence and unknown (or known) double agents... who they were working for is not really clear is it? We should know more right?
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heliarc
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riverdeer
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Loose Change Final cut part 2
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riverdeer
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riverdeer
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Loose Change Final cut Part 1
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diabolical44
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as far as i'm concerned, any major event, especially ones shrouded in allegations of conspiracies and such, can never be investigated enough. leave absolutely no stone unturned!
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mayalynn
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And if they have nothing to hide, why are they so bent on keeping everything secret?
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mayalynn
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Chique
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Thank you mayalynn. I grew up with a father in the US Airforce for 25+ years and during the Cuban missle crisis witnessed what our military planes are instantly capable of during a red alert or any threat to our country when they follow procedure. There was never a doubt in my mind that 9/11 was "allowed" to happen.
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Chique
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mayalynn
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USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11
By News Report
May 29, 2008, 18:24"...Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, “I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. … Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: ‘Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing’. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.”
During his 22-year Air Force career, Col. Bowman also served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. He also flew over 100 combat missions in Viet Nam as a fighter pilot..."See whole article at: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_26828.shtml
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mayalynn
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Chique
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Personally, I agree that they didn't plan this. What I do believe is that they knew about it and put plans in place to make sure nothing interfered with it because they needed an excuse to start a war. That's why they're so comfortable in stating "we haven't had an attack on American soil since 9/11". Our defense system is more than capable to have prevented this if not told to stand down; there wasn't a military exercise taking place simultaneously with false blips on the radar; and when fighter jets were finally deployed they weren't sent off course.
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Chique
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PatrickEdwardMurray
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No one needs to re-open the 9/11 commission because every sane mind knows exactly what happened:
Saudi Arabian nationals, calling themselves
Al Queda, trained by Osama Bin Laden, hijacked 4 American Jetliners and targeted the WTC in New York City, The Penatgon and possibly the White House or Capitol Hill.3 of the Jetliners, filled to capacity with jet fuel, met their targets taking out both WTC buidlings and damaging seriously the Pentagon.
One jetliner, did not meet it's target because patriotic American citizens fought the hijackers and caused the plane to hit a location in Western Pennsylvania.
Around 3,000 people lost their lives in NY, most of which were American citizens with some foreign nationals.
May all those who lost their lives on 9/11 rest in peace and may God bless and keep their families.
And as to the President & Vice President of The United States:
They shoud be convicted of war crimes..convicted and impeached for NOT KEEPING US SAFE.
One little known fact....
Former Senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman predicted 9/11....
But the entire Congress..house and Senate AND
the newly elected (forgive me selected) President & Vice President of The United States did nothing!That's what happened...
Read some books...start with Richard Clarke's book and you will learn a lot.
This is how conspiracy talk starts with folks NOT thinking straight!
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PatrickEdwardMurray:
PEM - It's quite easy to believe that, given the air of patriotism fabricated by this administration, but once one thoroughly examines the contrary evidence, it becomes wildly apparent that 9/11 was planned, prepared, and executed by the U.S. government. There is too much for me to sum up here; watch the latter two parts of the movie zeitgeist. There's a link to it below; please watch it! If you're willing, get back to me afterwards to discuss it.
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PatrickEdwardMurray:
PEM - It's quite easy to believe that, given the air of patriotism fabricated by this administration, but once one thoroughly examines the contrary evidence, it becomes wildly apparent that 9/11 was planned, prepared, and executed by the U.S. government. There is too much for me to sum up here; watch the latter two parts of the movie zeitgeist. There's a link to it below; please watch it! If you're willing, get back to me afterwards to discuss it.
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dco
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mayalynn
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Slightly off the topic but...
The Massachusetts School of Law intends to organize a war crimes trial for Bush and his most offensive cronies.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34171
Lock 'em up!
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mayalynn
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dco
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Mike Gravel makes me fel happy about this country. He makes me realize that the government is not an insurmountable evil entite that penetrates every nook and cranny of the country. Gravel and other charismatic politicians sstand up for the country. They break the chain of politicians whose sole obligation is to find loopholes in our constitution. Mike Gravel is a sage whose wisdom has yet to occur to the vast majority of this country.
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It's so encouraging to hear politicians actually speaking out on this issue. Anyone who knows anything about the 9/11 Commission Report knows that it is ridiculously inadequate at explaining the events of September 11th.
I seriously doubt that those responsible will ever admit thier responsibility but, as long as more people speak out and demand the truth, awareness will spread.
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realitybytes
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I agree with Mike Gravel and we do need an independant commission not selected by the president, to truly investigate what happened and hold those responsible(Bush, Cheney, etc..) accountable and prosecute them to the fullest!
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HolyCity2012
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It is refreshing to see true patriots asking the questions that so many of us still have about suspicious events surrounding the attacks of September 11th.
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gylu
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I'd rather be voting for Gravel
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gylu
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ChieftanMews
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This is ridiculous. I find most people interested in 9/11 conspiracy theory hold a blatant and fundamental hypocrisy. You can't call this the largest bunch of morons to ever hold executive power all day long, then insinuate that they are somehow the architects of what would be the most treasonous and subversive act ever committed by ANY American..even an American president. And there is quite a list to compete with there..
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Chique
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ChieftanMews:
Personally, I agree that they didn't plan this. What I do believe is that they knew about it and put plans in place to make sure nothing interfered with it because they needed an excuse to start a war. That's why they're so comfortable in stating "we haven't had an attack on American soil since 9/11". Our defense system is more than capable to have prevented this if not told to stand down; there wasn't a military exercise taking place simultaneously with false blips on the radar and when fighter jets were finally deployed they weren't sent off course.
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Chique
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JanforGore
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Well, this is one thing we will not now see the status quo candidates from the two moneyed parties calling for. Kudos to Mike Gravel for speaking out.
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jubal
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Fight the powers that be.
Public Enemy says it like it is. Music from the film "Do the right thing" by Spike Lee.
I assure you that if the Powers that Be assassinate Obama, there will be riots like there never have been in this country as bloody than the violence of the Civil War.
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jubal
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Globalstomp
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One more thing, I believe they will find in this new investigation that the Bush regime was directly involved in 9/11, Bush signed the order for the hit and the CIA and Mosad carried out the plans, and Cheney ran things from building 7 which is one reason why it came down because they want to destroy all evidence as they did by hauling away the steel from the buildings before an investigation could even start. They will find thermate (military version of thermite) as Dr. Steven Jones has found, and they will find that Marvin Bush orchestrated the planting of charges in those buildings because he was in charge of security on 9/11 and before. Then there's going to be an unraveling of forty years of history and lies because of the Bush crime family involvement in the assassinations of the Kennedy's that led right up to today's events which have been in the works for decades. They will find Poppy Bush is one of the biggest heroin drug runners using Mena Arkansas as a entry point with their friends the Clintons. They will also find all this history is all tied together ( ruby ridge, OK, first strike of towers, the cole, and so on ) with a common thread of Bushism running deep through it and the thread ending up at the door step of the Rockefellers the biggest traitors to this nation ever. History will literally have to be rewritten.
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jubal
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The pressure for change and answers will one day mount to such an extent that there will be a second "Boston Tea Party": of sorts, there will be a "Second American Revolution" and it will be the bloodiest battle this world has ever seen.
This will happen mark my words. People are mad as hell and they are not going to take it anymore.
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jubal
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Globalstomp
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I like the idea that a candidate squashed by the main scum media is speaking out now. He should have started this in the beginning of his campaign to where the media couldn't ignore him but better late than never. A Ron Paul/ Mike Gravel ticket would be the dream candidates for REAL change but I know......dream on. We can't fight this in political terms, or by the phony left right paradigm which is meant to deter you, we have to fight this in corporate terms by taking over their boards and committees and all local offices in your state that govern us. You may have to do it stealth by only revealing your agenda after the position is had. Run for office, join a group get involved! We need new fresh faces that aren't bought and paid for by lobbies such as AIPAC and the oil industry that still believe in the constitution and will take action to get rid of our central bank pain in the ass!
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senavicente_86
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we will never truly know what happened that day, the individuals who are truly responsible are probably too rich or too powerful to ever be held accountable.
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96thdayofrage
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Okay?!!!
Particularly now that Dumya Gump wants to fake the capture and murder of Osama bin Laden, a man known to be dead since October 2001.
We really do need to know at last and for real what happened 9/11/2001, what led up to 9/11/2001, and what we can do to return to living in a DEMOCRACY after life in this consequent emprial Orwellian military industrial corporatocracy where some embicile claims we're hated for our freedom. Please! What freedom?
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96thdayofrage:
they will capture the fake osama before the election because they need the votes.
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96thdayofrage:
That's something that would fall under the category of an October surprise.
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abbym0308
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Check out the Super News coverage of that Mike Gravel video!!
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abbym0308
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crababble
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Mike Gravel made a rock video that no one understood.
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crababble
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crababble:
Translation:
If you stand there and do nothing, then you will sink like a stone?I like the supernews version better... This one makes Mike Gravel look weird.
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iameam
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The truth is... that... more and more people are becoming interested in... the truth. Honesty should be policy in the governments that run societies.
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iameam
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Dee_Eee_Tee
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Sadly we have a government that is too afraid of a few loud mouth conservatives, and too many people who worry about their wallets more than care about anything beyond the reach of their own a--holes.
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maasanova
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Yes every voice does matter!
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maasanova
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Ogmin
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You might need to look a little deeper into Gravel's background. The man has ethics and is a quiet hero. He is no power monger.
On the other hand, the truth needs to be told by any and everyone who has the balls to speak out.
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Ogmin
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Ogmin:
What is truth and not party politics?
Is he not in a party?
Then that's grounds for not trusting him.
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On this issue I am finding it hard to believe that these people who are speaking up are doing it out of the goodness of their heart and not out of their hatred for not being able to get what they want because not being in total party power.
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jubal
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J_Jammer:
You are down and negative of most any effort to do the right thing. Don't they call that being pessimistic?
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jubal
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J_Jammer:
I don't deny that what you say might be true, but could you please elaborate on why you think this? For example, are these seemingly benevolent reactions uncharacteristic for how they have acted in the past? Did it take too long for them to respond? Basically, my questions boils down to whether you have evidence or some instances of implication either proving or indicating the motives you mentioned. (i.e. Their hatred for not being in 'total party power')
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Ogmin
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On this issue, everyone's voice matters. Keep up the noise.
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Ogmin
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kec5040
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Sadly, his voice does not matter.
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fuckbush
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here is a website if you want to do some research
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fuckbush:
Too bad it's all fucking bullshit.
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maasanova
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Mike Gravel is a patriot!
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maasanova
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Holy cow! I never knew Mr. Gravel's role in ending the draft. That is interesting.
If you live in NY, and at the very least you would like a new "independent" investigation. This is a great way to fast-track the process.
They currently have over 10,000 signatures. They need only 50,000. Considering the mainstream media coverage of 9/11 truth, it's no surprise things are moving slow.
Put your signature where your mouth is!
http://www.nyc911initiative.org/instructions.htm
HOTLINE: 646-537-1755
Thanks Amy for keeping the focus on the true criminals in our government.
Great Post Ogmin.
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alicynx
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They will never testify to anything, mark my words. If they testify, they'll be accountable, and heaven forbid they be accountable...
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alicynx:
In special cases like these, the ones that do testify will do so with special immunity deals.
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