Gay 15-year-old shot in class, five month investigation
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There were several bizarre notes. One of the assistant principals, a lesbian who often spoke with Larry, was given her own school. The adoptive father thinks that Larry was not really gay, just wanting attention, and takes offense that Larry's death is just being abused by the "gay agenda" to push "gay rights"!
There are suggestions that the shooter, Brandon, was a victim, because he was teased about the attention from Larry, and something should be done to stop that sort of sexual harassment from escalating! Wow, way to blame the real victim! Who do you think was more tortured, the queer boy who is visibly different and the focus of daily ridicule and threats, or the collaterally teased boy that he recently proclaimed to like?
There was mention of rumors that there was some relationship between Larry and Brandon, so maybe its another case of internalized homophobia in an antigay household, leading to gay on gay attacks. I'm sure we will see more of these events in the next decade.
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Azucena
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I agree..kids need to be taught to learn from eachother. If parents talk about the fact that everyone is different and teach kids how to handle emotions in different situations then maybe by the age of 15/16 the teen has a better handle of himself and whatever is around him!
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Azucena
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NickerBocker09
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LEt me clear the bullshit.
Kids need to learn to accept people for who they are and how they look. Because later on in life you meet some pretty different looking people.
We live on a world of different peoples, we must accept eachother for who we are and understand equality.
When I was really young and knew I was gay I was against guys showing off girly, but then I became a bit open and no longer closeted and realised its my life. Before I was saying that to be straighter.
Maybe we should stop stereotyping, because not all gay people act girly and not all straight people act macho. Its called peer pressure.
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NickerBocker09
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fauxsherrrr
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"Besides most children are supposed to be taught not to be horrible small minded people, and that physical violence is not an appropriate response to the unfamiliar."
Thats where our schools are failing, they're needs to be more education on tolerance.
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fauxsherrrr
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Brockie
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fauxsherrrr:
I don't know if I blame the school. You can bet that Brandon's thoughts were shaped by what he heard at home.
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Brockie
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CTZNWES
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Man, alot of closet people here making anti gay comments and calling people names due to their own self hatred. You guys know who you are.
It seems like humanity is not an issue here to these ignorant f*#ks.
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CTZNWES
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jmichael2497
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I wasn't exactly sure what kind of responses I would see on this site, hopefully based more with intelligence, but still, it is the internet. Thanks to some, disbelieving eyebrow-raise to others, and here goes:
In response to user aricsqueen on using the word queer, I feel it is an all encompassing term and have a personal preference for it, especially in this case, where maybe transgendered might have been more precise than just using gay, but we don't really know. I wish the title wasn't moderated by staff and changed from queer to gay, but I guess I'll leave it at that.
In respone to user American_Again saying "The word "gay" is a propaganda term, etc....use the word homosexual as scientific and correct language." I guess the proper scientific and correct term for that person is bigot, homophobe, and hatemonger, as evidenced by this comment and the one further down suggesting well adjusted children only come from a home with a mother and father. Plenty of single parents and other non-binary families with two or more parents would disagree.
In response to user Petarro blaming Larry for wearing dresses to school and flirting with the boys, and the adults for allowing it, well fashion is no excuse for violence.
As user CarlosIsDown pointed out, the weapon of flirting was likely in defense. Besides most children are supposed to be taught not to be horrible small minded people, and that physical violence is not an appropriate response to the unfamiliar.
- 3 years ago
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jmichael2497
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fauxsherrrr
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Our schools need to be better equipped!
Our teachers need to be taught how to deal with situations like these appropriately.What's wrong with furthering an agenda that promotes tolerance and that could prevent a horrific tragedy like this????
Unless you have your own agenda fueled by bigotry and anti-gay biases, there is nothing wrong with bringing awareness.
I'm seriously sickened by some of the responses that I've read.
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fauxsherrrr
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oR2o
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Without trying to offend anyone...
The problem here is that we have two 15 year old KIDS.
1 wearing a dress
1 brandishing a gunI don't know where the people that believe the person wearing a dress is more of a threat then a person with a gun. The kid with a gun can hardly control an erection but it is OK that he is in control of someones life... Those that think Larry King has done anything close to warranting a gun shot need to consider therapy. You are the type of people who have taught this kid that it is alright to use a gun to solve problems. I pity you.
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oR2o
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SheepCounter
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Hello people. Someone is DEAD. He was SHOT TO DEATH. How does that make him a victim again?
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SheepCounter
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CarlosIsDown
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"Larry King was, admittedly, a problematical test case: he was a troubled child who flaunted his sexuality and wielded it like a weapon—it "
Yeah, I think it was a deffence mechanism. . . .
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CarlosIsDown
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Saladin
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"I do not accept or tolerate what happen here, but people do to stop thinking this is wonderland. Got it?"
"Stop acting like a Queer and looking for peoples attention."
And this is why it isn't, because people like you never fucking grew up and the rest of us have to deal with you.
I love how you're defending bigotry because of the fact that it exists. Reminds me of the "life's not fair" argument. Sounds a lot like the opposition to the civil rights movement.
Next time you cheat on your girlfriend, she has the right to blow your fucking brains out. What? You don't like that? It's not right, but that's how the world is right?
Don't lie, you're justifying this kid's death. He was shot to death, that's fucking horrible. There's no excuse for that. The fact that society has deep prejudices does not excuse murder, -ever-.
Society is not natural, it is not set it stone. We can change it whenever we want to.
Arguing status quo is a fallacy, and it's disgusting that you'd go that far to defend a murderer.
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Saladin
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UWAZell
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"There was mention of rumors that there was some relationship between Larry and Brandon..." I would be willing to wager that the Brandon shot Larry. In his 15 year old mind this was the only way to prove that there was nothing going on between the two and have the rumours stop. If I am correct, this is yet another case where the administration failed to stop the bullying of one student, and resulted in their immature mind assessing the situation and coming up with the wrong conclusion.
However, I could be wrong... but I highly doubt it.
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UWAZell
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petarro
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Pirho338, relax. We all know you are Homosexual, therefore defending to heavily this Kid.
I do not accept or tolerate what happen here, but people do to stop thinking this is wonderland. Got it?
If you dress like a Girl, while everyone knows you are a Boy and you perhaps flirt or do anything that might upset the other Kids, then this will happen. Is reality. Read the Post!
A lot more education is needed. From Parents, to Parents and about respecting other persons acts. You could learn this by the way. We have our own Opinions.
Stop acting like a Queer and looking for peoples attention.
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petarro
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pirho338
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petarro:
everything you just said is so offensive to so many people, its people like you that make the world an ugly place. No Im not gay, but no I do not take that as an insult because im not a typical, white, stupid american like yourself. you do accept what happened because you say he should have accepted it. No he shouldnt, and we shouldnt accept the fact that kids act this way. they do because people like you deem it normal. people like you are a waste of space. you have nothing worth saying or hearing, you're not nearly as informed or intelligent as you obviously believe yourself to be. do the world a favor, strap a plastic bag over your head and go to sleep. dumb fuck.
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pirho338
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Humdrum
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petarro:
Thank you, pirho, for taking the words right out of my mouth.
I mean, jesusHchrist, petarro.
Listen to yourself, and process what you hear.
The only reason it is *part of* reality is because of the views of people like you. It is easily avoided by...oh I don't know...NOT F#$%ING MURDERING PEOPLE.
You are spewing some really twisted sh#t.
Place the blame where it belongs - on the person that pulled the trigger. - 3 years ago
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Humdrum
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petarro:
I don't see the problem with attention seeking. It's a basic part of establishing your identity which is integral to growing up. It's actually an encouraged activity in all social settings.
Goths do it, Jocks do it, Cheerleaders do it, Theatrical students do it, Leaders do it, Musicians do it, most girls and most boys do it. Standing up for your identity, and taking the criticism that comes with it is usually considered a sign of "character." Most classes and after school activities are centered around additional attention.
I don't see where the problem is if someone wants to be noticed, regardless of whether he/she has an identity that goes along with the crowd or rebels against it.
Is the general feeling of this thread that one should just keep his/her head down, or suffer mortal consequences? Would the feeling be any different if the identity in question were say a skateboarder, or the student body president?
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treywedge
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matnucu
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Just because the kid was dressed as a woman doesn't make him a homo.
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matnucu
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pirho338
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I cant believe the comments being left, are people that thick?
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pirho338
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America_Again [removed]
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Saladin
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America_Again:
Men and women have no natural roles to provide for their children. In fact, the traditional fucks people up.
There, I said it, I truly hope you were deeply offended.
And considering that you just offended every single mother or father and every guardian or caretaker on the planet, I think it's fair to say you're more offensive in this situation.
Not to mention, plenty of kids have been raised by gay parents and turned out straight and "normal."
Although, since your argument is deductive, it would only take ONE child that was raised outside of a traditional home and turned out normal or ONE child that was raised in a traditional and turned out fucked up to completely discredit the argument.
So you've already lost unless you want to change your argument to an inductive one.
And I love how you ignore that this kid was MURDERED. For Christ's sake, what the hell is wrong with you? The kid was fucking shot. Whatever the circumstances were that led him to this point, he was killed by a bigoted idiot. You don't see anything WRONG about that? Are your priorities so messed up that you think it's more wrong for a kid to dress differently than it is for a kid to fucking murder someone who's different?
I sincerely hope -you- don't have any kids.
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Saladin
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America_Again:
So, your assumtion must be that the individual who pulled the trigger and killed this human being must not have had a Mother figure or Father figure. This situation has nothing to do with Marriage. It has everything to do with discrimination...I don't think it would matter who taught there child how to respect, as a matter of fact, A child growing up in a same sex household probably has less of a chance of taking the life of another.
Having been in a same sex relationship for 16 years and living with my partners sister and her daughter, I can as some what of an expert tell you that you are complete off base with your assumptions. I have been more of a stereotypical motherly figure then her mother has. Teaching a child how to develop doesn't require an X and a Y chromosome, those are only needed to START life. - 3 years ago
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oR2o
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fbolick
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I don't know what scares me more, the fact that a kid was shot to death in school, or some of the responces I'm reading...
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fbolick
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fbolick:
defiantly the reasons.
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fbolick:
they go hand in hand, I cant believe the shit people are responding with either
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pirho338
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Humdrum
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fbolick:
Truly, some of the responses here make me wish I hadn't even clicked on this story. People's absolute ignorance and misplaced venom can be flabbergasting.
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Humdrum
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CrazyDave
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Wanting attention like that is wrong and probably led from his adoption problems and emotional conflicts.
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CrazyDave
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pirho338
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CrazyDave:
ignorant moron. both of you.
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pirho338
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CrazyDave:
You of course must be referring to the individual who pulled the trigger. It is OK that you forgot to mention it, I just thought we needed to clear up any misconceptions that because a person like Larry King, who is comfortable in his own skin and was raised to express himself freely would be thought to have problems with his upbringing .
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oR2o
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CrazyDave:
You and petarro are closet boyfriends aren't you!! You guys seem to post comments right after another. LOL!!
Probably in bed together taking turns on comments. - 3 years ago
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treywedge
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CrazyDave:
Are you saying wanting attention is wrong? It seems to me you have a lot to learn about human society. It's one of the primary motivations for most activity.
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treywedge
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petarro
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Wow, this is one stupid Kid and some harsh mates. Please, were are the parents of this Kid that dressed this way to go to class?
If you want to be Homosexual or you simply are, go ahead, but respect others and please do not be as dumb like to call the attention of others. A 15 year old, dressing like a girl IS STUPID, even if you are gay or not.
This world is far from Equal, and the harder you try, the harder you shall fall.
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petarro
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petarro:
wow. what a jerk. fuck you, ignorant fuck. I hate it when ignorant people are steadfast in their ignorance, and preach like they have something to preach about. Everything you just said is so ignorant. seriously, fuck you.
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pirho338
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petarro:
Go fuck yourself.
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petarro:
He is probably closet gay himself and puts on this persona online due to his own self hatred.
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Eri_Soulja
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This is an outrage! Those middle school kids can be so cruel these days.. this is why I support gay marriage -we are all EQUAL- just like the King once said.
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Eri_Soulja
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Eri_Soulja:
A middle school in Oregon created a play about bullying --- the parents of the school refused to let it be presented at the school because they felt that the subject matter was in approprate.
The student actors retorted that it was an expression of things that go on in the school everyday.
12-14 year olds call names use 4 letter words and other so called adult speach at each other.
"OH NO " the students migh hear a bad word in a play OMG; but is ok for them to say or hear it in the halls applied to someone ...
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Eyeofgod
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High school is a crude school to go to when it is time to. All the kids pick on everyone, and just because this poor guy dressed the way he wanted and put on makeup that means he should be shot?! I say "Blank" NO! He has every other right that all these other kids have and being killed, just because of the way he wanted to be, it is just wrong. Whoever did kill this poor guy, needs to be put in jail and then he will learn how it is to be gay, hahah
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Eyeofgod
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pirho338
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you really can't comment on this, there could have been much more going than we know. In any case, its violence that has no place in our world, a tragedy at best..
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pirho338
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He's dead. The sadness is that he died by gunshot and not because of who he was, wasn't or never will be.
I don't care if he thought he was a blueberry what happened was tragic and blame is only thing that solves...what? Solves nothing.
Accusing and blaming is like a rocking chair. You do a lot of movement and get nowhere. (A different form of the original which has to do with complaining.)
Placing blame will not bring back Larry nor will it protect someone else who could die in a similar situation.
People who are assigning blame in this or using it to further their agenda are doing nothing but being selfish and allowing a death that could be learned from...be for nothing.
That's disgusting.
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J_Jammer:
Yes and I see how this problem will never happen again.
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Neghie
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I just wanted to firstly say that I thought 'the' Larry King showed up to a high school in drag...and then it wasn't so funny anymore.
What strikes me as really tragic is the father claiming his transgender son was not gay at all. Is someone in denial or what?
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Neghie
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Neghie:
I don't think the step-dad thinks that Larry knew the full extent of the word since he was so young.
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Neghie:
Just FYI ...
Just because one dresses in "Drag" does not mean that they are gay. These type of assumptions are exactly why this young man met his fate. People are different, and until we learn how to accept differences in everyone we will live with discrimination and destruction of life. Thanks for making the statement it triggered a reply and if we have the discussion we can get the bus moving in the right direction.
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BFAM_RVS
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Either way, this shit is tragic...kids don't need to be dealing with these issues...if they spent more time being kids instead of dealing with all the bullshit we pressure them with and present to them, we would have far fewer issues like this, more happy children, and in turn, a brighter, more positive future for the youth...
BFAM_RVS
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aricsqueen
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sorry - am I the only one who find the word 'queer' a bit...well, out-dated and borderline abrasive?
or is this me being a bit oversensitive?
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aricsqueen
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aricsqueen:
Old-fashioned, maybe, but not necessarily abrasive. It all depends on who is using it, I guess. To me, the term comes in handy when talking about Larry because based on media coverage it is difficult to state whether he self-identified as gay, transgender, etc. so 'queer' is an umbrella term that can work quite well in this context.
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JanaPokana
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aricsqueen:
The term "queer" has actually come back around as an accepted term to use. I'm sure there are still places where phrases like "smear the queer" are still used in a derogatory way, but here in the bay area, queer is often used simply as another way to say "gay".
Of course, the term may still be loaded for some folks, and because of that I (as a straight person) use the words gay, lesbian, and transgendered...depending on the person I'm describing, of course :)
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aricsqueen:
I know a lot of people in the gay community who identify as queer for it's encompassing ability: bi, gay, lesbian, transgender, pansexual, asexual, etc. It just means you identify as anything BUT heterosexual.
I've asked many people what they feel about the term, and they say they are asserting their ownership of the once-derogatory word into an all encompassing title.
Personally, I identify as gay, but think it's cool that some feel very fond of a word that was once very derogatory.
So, not necessarily either abrasive or old-fashioned. Just depends on the context of the word.
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aricsqueen:
I find it offensive, but its a wierd situation. Afterall one of the biggest gay shows was QUEER as folk, but I always took it as a slam towards homophobes. I dont like it when people call me a queer because its usually meant offensively, so I dont use it nor do I use fag.
However I have said those words when refering to people like me, like "us fags, were queers". I used to hate it when black people used the n word but then I started saying fag and queer so I dont know. Maybe we think its right because we know its not meant offensively when we use it towards ourselves.
But anyways lol, I dont use it anymore.
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JanaPokana
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Saying that the killer was a 'victim' because Larry showed him attention is just ridiculous. Does that mean a lesbian teenager can just go out and shoot a guy if he asks her for a date?
If the shooter was, in fact, a victim, he was a victim of a society in which being liked by a queer boy is so horrifying that the only response he could think of involves a gun.
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JanaPokana
