Exposing Bush's historic abuse of power
source: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/07/23/new_churchcomm/index.html?source=rss&aim=/news/...
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July 23, 2008 | WASHINGTON -- The last several years have brought a parade of dark revelations about the George W. Bush administration, from the manipulation of intelligence to torture to extrajudicial spying inside the United States. But there are growing indications that these known abuses of power may only be the tip of the iceberg. Now, in the twilight of the Bush presidency, a movement is stirring in Washington for a sweeping new inquiry into White House malfeasance that would be modeled after the famous Church Committee congressional investigation of the 1970s.
While reporting on domestic surveillance under Bush, Salon obtained a detailed memo proposing such an inquiry, and spoke with several sources involved in recent discussions around it on Capitol Hill. The memo was written by a former senior member of the original Church Committee; the discussions have included aides to top House Democrats, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers, and until now have not been disclosed publicly.
Salon has also uncovered further indications of far-reaching and possibly illegal surveillance conducted by the National Security Agency inside the United States under President Bush. That includes the alleged use of a top-secret, sophisticated database system for monitoring people considered to be a threat to national security. It also includes signs of the NSA's working closely with other U.S. government agencies to track financial transactions domestically as well as globally.
The proposal for a Church Committee-style investigation emerged from talks between civil liberties advocates and aides to Democratic leaders in Congress, according to sources involved. (Pelosi's and Conyers' offices both declined to comment.) Looking forward to 2009, when both Congress and the White House may well be controlled by Democrats, the idea is to have Congress appoint an investigative body to discover the full extent of what the Bush White House did in the war on terror to undermine the Constitution and U.S. and international laws. The goal would be to implement government reforms aimed at preventing future abuses -- and perhaps to bring accountability for wrongdoing by Bush officials.
"If we know this much about torture, rendition, secret prisons and warrantless wiretapping despite the administration's attempts to stonewall, then imagine what we don't know," says a senior Democratic congressional aide who is familiar with the proposal and has been involved in several high-profile congressional investigations.
"You have to go back to the McCarthy era to find this level of abuse," says Barry Steinhardt, the director of the Program on Technology and Liberty for the American Civil Liberties Union. "Because the Bush administration has been so opaque, we don't know [the extent of] what laws have been violated."
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montesooma
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Here is a news flash for all you koolaid drinkin democrat turds. 500 tons of yellow cake uranium were just discovered in Iraq. Translation-----WMDs
Bush, clinton, Blair and the rest of the world were right and you guys were wrong. See what believing the propaganda does for you, it makes you WRONG - 3 years ago
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montesooma
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Elevator
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If anything, the administrations main mistake was being so open about their policies and rational. In truth Bush isn't much different from other American presidents. There probably are some historic firsts for the bush administration but nothing in this article is anything new.
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Elevator
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deadbolt
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Well, at least he got all those WMDs out of the hands of that madman in Iraq! Oh, I feel 500 billion dollars safer just knowing that.
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No suprises. Talib Kweli says 'Your asleep if you don't think they're already tapping your phone line.' Can't wait for the Bush Trials to begin. Can it please be aired with Judge Judy just ripping him to shreds. Oooopppss, NSA's got me again for being an insurgent to the current Bush administration and the NWO.
Flobots!
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montesooma
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still the same old players leveling accusations they can't prove, that is why this goes nowhere. notice there all dems trying to get there party in power. or spineless republicans who don't wanna lose there seat.
If anything the prez hasn't used his bully pulpit enough to show these people for fools that they are.
you people are fools for even listening to these scumbags ---who as history shows have Never been on the right side of any issue.These are the same people who opposed reagans starwars plan that caused the soviets to back down and collapse --SOCIALIST COMMIES! - 3 years ago
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In twenty or so times, people will refer to George.W.Bush when explaining how people can manipulate a whole country, against that country's wil, unknown, and how they can get away with it.
hopefully, when the full extent of the bush administrations wrongdoings have ben revealed, measures will be taken to prevent that level of corruption, deception and manipulation from hapening again. - 3 years ago
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It's truly a sin the way the American soldiers are treating innocent Iraqi citizens. They are deluded into thinking that they are fighting for freedom. Many of them don't have many life experiences to help them see the errors they are making daily. God forgive them because I won't
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intelligenceisacurse
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another buried story.
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intelligenceisacurse
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intelligenceisacurse
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Yes, he is the worse president we've ever had.
And I blame you, you Americans that voted for him.
Twice even.I'm sick of you, America.
You sicken me.
This administration sickens me beyond comprehension.GWB is a war crminal, and a plain old American criminal
all in one. He's committed dozens of felonies both
on a domestic and international scale.I'm truly ashamed to be viewed in the same light
as all of you Republicans. I'm ashamed you're Americans.
I wish death to all of you that support this travesty
to my country.You don't deserve to live here, please swallow razors.
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intelligenceisacurse
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This_Is_Not_My_Name
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My dad says that history will mark GW Bush as the worst President of the United States, ever... Guess he was right!
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This_Is_Not_My_Name
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Tgarius
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More Goofy Goober stuff, this crap is never going to go anywhere because it's just a bunch of pointless jawing, I wish they would spend their time trying to do soemthing useful and I wish you Whiny-Demo-Clowns would quit posting this horse manure.
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Tgarius
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Kallico75
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Straight up...
Fuck bush! - 3 years ago
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Kallico75
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booboo_36564
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All you have is rhetoric and lies...no proof
sad and pathetic!McCain 08
The Next President of the World! - 3 years ago
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intelligenceisacurse
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booboo_36564:
Please, please, oh god please, kill yourself.
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torybart
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No surprises unfortunately.
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tomofnorthcal
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Bush Admin evil number 1,252,085 and counting.
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stopnoise
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Lack of education and false ideas about liberty and freedom creates the prisons in America.
Ha! There are also those that totally ignore the real facts of issues and events.
Many think that people that has been convicted by drugs should not be in the prison. They often forget that were other offenses related to that as battery, public harassment and many other forms of actions that people are willing to deny. Pickup your camera and go to the streets if you live in the City. I am sure you will find some stuff and real time events if you know what to look for. Our society is full of "Jerks" and mischievous mentally challenged individuals with lot of money to burn.
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oh tell me about it
same old same old
1-20-2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LAHolly:
Bush was elected, so the rest of your post must be hogwash,as you began it with a delusion
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dearmat23:
@dearmat23 -- This was a particularly interesting and popular story. But unfortunately another story unseated it from the #1 spot at the right time to take the featured slot.
Let's not ignore the fact that it was on the Current.com homepage in the US for nearly twenty hours — during which time it made a serious run to the top of the page. People just flocked around the Christian Bale story at a much quicker pace.
Remember, the news is subjective. What is the most pressing item at the moment may not be the same for others in the community. Sometimes people will gather around an Entertainment story because of the love (or hate) of the drama involved.
Mario
Online Community Team - 3 years ago
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I am quite skeptical about any significant "reforms" being implemented under a Democratic President/Senate/House combo. The leadership circles in the Republican and Democratic parties have much more in common than most Americans seem to realize. One thing they have in common is that they both seek to increase the scope of authority of the Federal Government. There is a good reason that the approval rating of the Democratic Congress is even lower than that of the Republican administration.
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Well Texas let me give you a very startling fact. Currently 5 of every 65 people, a total of 7,000,000 American Citizens are either in prison or are on probation/parole or still awaiting trial while sitting in county jails and federal detention centers through out America. This number has risen from 3,200,000 since 2000. The fastest growing occupations in America is Prison Guard/Prison Administration. It is totally recession proof. Can you think of a better way to control the citizens?
We now have 7,000,000 people who no longer have a voice in this countries decision making process. Unfortunately Texas ranks in the top two states with a prison population equivalent to many mid-sized cities.
Start removing other groups of population from this process, like "Legal" immigrants, children under 18, the elderly, the homeless, the poor, and all of a sudden, of our 304,000,000 population is reduced to less than 190,000,000 to voice opposition to any injustice.
With the apathy levels in America the way they are currently, only 30-40% of the remaining Americans would voice an opinion. Of those 50% would be for, 50% opposed on any given subject. Leaving both sides with 16,000,000 opinions.
With a population of 304,000,000, 16,000,000 on one side or the other does not constitute a majority of the popular opinion. Consequently it will not even make a blip on the political radar.
All I am saying is, "The Powers that Be" have effectively silenced this country, and in doing so, controlled us. I do not see either candidate changing things, as the people with the real power have been given their positions for "life".
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TerryA:
That makes no sense at all..
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I wouldnt be surprised if W cronies dont have a carnivore network device to moniter the conversations here. Well W FREE speech is not dead thought cannot be controlled until the enslavement of america and camps are built to reprogram us to be some globalist internationist robot not me W
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natdagod
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who is the puppets masters?
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stopnoise
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I just cannot figure out how people voted for him twice. Some of you do remember of this saying; "to mistake once is human to mistake twice is..."
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I believe this administration will go down in history as one of the worst and most corrupt ever.
George Bush will probably replace Useless Grant on the $100 bill. He'll be more well known than George Washington. Because by that time the $100 bill will have replaced the $1 bill in buying power.
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Maybe nothing punitive will happen to Bush, but History will cement his legacy as the most ignorant and unsuccessful president we've ever had.
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derk:
I hope you're right, but history has a way of being written the way "they" want it to be read
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Same old stuff... different day. This administration gets away with anything.
It reminds me of the whole analogy of a frog in boiling water. Put a frog in boiling water and it will hop out. Put a frog in normal temp water and slowly heat it up, and the frog will be boiled alive.
Had this happened when he first got elected he would have been impeached immediately. Now we are used to it... nothing will happen.
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derk
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I feel you Ogmin ... this definitely is big news!
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Ogmin
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WTF?
Picked for TV:
New girly videogames based on teen movies
* 183 views* 25 responses
57% green ratingThis story now at #19 and falling:
Exposing Bush's historic abuse of power
* 549 views * 46 responses
91% green ratingabuse of power?
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Ogmin:
just be glad they didnt make it dissappear ,like they have done in the past. good story by the way
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riverdeer
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I have read these comments and there are a few people who seem to have given up. Someone even went as far as saying that the days of protest are gone, NO THEY ARE NOT. We all have the power to bring them back with a vengance. I'm sure at the moment you are asking HOW?
The power lies in numbers,educate yourselves and always question authority!
VOX IN NUMERUS
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Listen people we have to do it right this time.
After Nixon came Carter. With Carter came the purge of the CIA and FBI, whoops and where did those go after they lost their jobs. BINGO! Who did you think was backing Reagan, Bushes I and II.
Put these guys in jail and throw away the key or buy them off. I am in favor of bribing them to leave us all alone.
Revenge is just bad public policy.
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CaptSutter
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Will there ever be rule of law in the US again? To compare what happened in the last eight years to Watergate is totally out of proportion.
This is much worse than Nixon and the climb back up may never succeed. Putting the genie back in the bottle is damned hard.
Good night and good luck.
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Dubai for Dubya. I like it. Now can we just get Chernobyl for Cheney.
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Bush managed to push through a law making it illegal for ordinary persons to sue communications companies that co-operated with clearly illegal wiretaps and snooping for damages.
Halliburton has packed up its entire corporate headquarters and moved to Dubai, UAE.
United Arab Emirates has no extridition treaty with the United States.
I have a feeling that Dick Chenney and George W. Bush will be moving to Dubai as soon as they leave office. And I doubt that it will be because the countryside in UAE is so pleasant and scenic.
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Wetdog:
bush doesn't make or push thru any laws, shows how much ya know about the govnment, its ur lawmakers doin these things, they can just blame it on bush.
After all the things that are blamed on bush, he must be superman to accomplish so much. - 3 years ago
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It depends on what they're doing with the information.
America may be bad in some respects, but theoretically it's only in the course of protecting itself from much worse regimes. It's amazing how so many people have such strong opinions despite not knowing what is really going on. Myself included.
The fact that all this crap is so partisan/political makes it flawed to an extent.
Just consider the source and don't believe anything too whole-heartedly. Many on this site seem to forget Democrats and Republicans are both Americans first and we are all citizens of the world before that. ...the most indirectly powerful citizens of the world mind you...but that is only because America has obviously been doing a lot of thing right to get it this far.
What's truly more frightening than the government spying is seeing the citizens fight with each other along blind political lines. We need to work together to solve the problems facing the country and to solve the problems that create the political bickering that causes the gridlock and failure to act to solve the problems.
Maybe I'll just start a campaign against extremism.
Politics is just one big weird experiment in group psychology, so try not to attack you're own country unless it is worse than the other options.
In sincerely doubt the intelligence agencies are going to overpower millions of pissed off citizens, so therefore I presume the government is acting on my behalf, not against me.
If you want to get to the source of what really controls the country, just turn on your t.v.
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At times it is terrible to be a witness to history. To change history, focus and vote.
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bluestranger:
Were you out of the country in 2000? It doesn't matter how we want to vote. If they want in office bad enough nothing is off the table.Bribery,intimidation,ballot box stuffing, etc.,etc.,etc. Hell,James Baker,former sec. of state,and bush's point man in Florida,even went so far as to threaten violence if the supreme court didn't stop the recount.Wake up people.The rules have changed!
TO THE STREETS!!!
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Ogmin
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i wonder why this one never made the homepage. it was number one when the clock ran out and has been in the top seven for over 12 hours. 446 views; 90% green. what does it take?
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Ogmin:
I was bitching about the same thing about a month ago. They(Current admin.)kept telling me "that's just the way it works". I'm starting to think Currents not on the up and up. Maybe those of us who really want change and free exchange of ALL ideas should move to another site.
I think it's rediculous that important stories that have obvious support always seem to fall off the front page and get replaced with the same kind of crap you can get on Hollywood Tonight!
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Ogmin:
they are definetly not on the up and up, ive personally witnessed them just make stories dissappear.
also notice they dont allow current staff to comment on stories like this. i use to respect al gore but after i have seen how he runs this site , i have lost every ounce of respect i had for him. this is just another main stream media outlet. - 3 years ago
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riverdeer
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assasination, anyone?
great, now I'M going to be wire tapped
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samonster34:
come on now. that's just over the top and silly
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by several they mean 8, right?
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this story is a prime example of how viewers like you do not pick the news, otherwise this already would be picked for tv.
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The goal would be to implement government reforms aimed at preventing future abuses -- and perhaps to bring accountability for wrongdoing by Bush officials.
Are you trying to make it sound like a Democrat will change anything?
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they wont impeach him, he will be our dictator for some time to come. the elections will get canceled and martial law will be in place. i hope im wrong but keep in mind i just drank a big glass of koolaid
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Imagine what the administration is making a REAL effort to cover up!
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This is the one thing about not impeaching these criminals that we will regret... there is no precedent set. Any "president" can come after and do the same or even worse and what will we say? That we are outraged by it when we didn't bat an eye for this? It is a dangerous predecent we have set however, by abdicating our responsiblity as American citizens to defend our Republic and keep it a Republic.
Benjamin Franklin stated we have a Republic if we can keep it. However, in his time there was no tv and media interference in the affairs of the day. People didn't have such distractions.They talked to each other in the town squares about policy because it really mattered to them and they took action. We no longer have a Republic by those standards, we have an oligarchy and the fact that so many either can't see that or are even content with it is to me the greatest outrage of them all.
So, what will we do in light of all of the abuses served on our Constitution? Allow Bush to go about clearing brush in Texas after he should leave ( if he doesn't run to South America) or will we do the right thing and hold him and the criminals who followed him accountable for what they have done? I would say if I lived in Jefferson and Franklin's time that we would do the latter, but then we wouldn't have need to ask that question in the first place because they would have been dealt with by now.
So sad to see how far we have fallen. I hope we can rise again, but that won't happen with one election.
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JanforGore:
I was born on Ben's b-day. *polishes nails on t-shirt* heh!
He also said "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I agree. Whole-heartedly.
I suppose our shared birthdate breeds such an opinion(?). (For the record, I've not yet partaken ... in France ... of French women. Operative word being *yet* just fyi.)
Our founding fathers were very intelligent, well worded and foreseeing gentlemen. They wrote the Constitution, then later the Bill of Rights, with a specific aim. That aim has been monumentally raped by our current administrative regime. And not just that one, but previous regimes, too. I'm not letting Mr. Clinton off the hook. I could care less who left his DNA on her dress. I'm not talking that at all.
Oh sheesh. I feel a rant coming on. I'm gonna shut the fuck up for now, and talk to my Sammer (cat). He listens but doesn't bother me with chatter in dissent.
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the saddest thing is how we've become the laughing stock of the entire civilized world because of this administration and the stupid redneck's that voted for him
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diabolical44:
given the fact that you believe this bunk spewed out by kicinibich and other democrat partizens, i would say that us rednecks are probably smarter than you, or at least less gullible.
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What do we do, as a nation? Do we sit back, like we already have, and let Bush bury our nation? Do we impeach now or prosecute later? Do we set precedent for other presidents to do the same thing? Do we elect a Bush clone? Do we forget the death & destruction that these two terms have forged? Do we shove bravery and true patriotism aside, and pretend that this nation is always right, no matter what?
Or do we reclaim the U.S.A.'s global stature,... and tell everyone AND ourselves that mistakes were/are made, and we will do all things possible to redeem ourselves?
I have faith in this country,... if.........................
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that's why my girlfriend has a Brazilian bikini wax,
she's like 250 lbs and her va jay jay, really looks like
Brazil,
well the point is down with bush!!! - 3 years ago
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The Bush administration is and will probably always be the worst administration the US has ever had. How did we end up with this? Stupid, ignorant, blind people accepting whatever goes on. Only complaining about gas prices. Only complaining. Letting Bush have another four years in office. Another four years of war, another four years of economic issues, another four years which will probably become 20 years of Conflict with another dictator such as Saddam who doesn't bother us. The real so called "terrorist" were trained and lead by the US. If we actually wanted them we would be in Saudi Arabia. Not in Iraq dickin around with "ideas" of an exit plan.
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i know we all are still sick of impeachment proceedings and witch hunts from the Clinton Administration, but an Obama administration absolutely must not let these crimes to unpunished. We need to exact justice upon these criminals for their heinous war crimes
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kucinich is just looking to make a quick buck, he is very unpatriotic
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mccain08:
Actually just the opposite since it's his patriotic duty under the Constitution to bring these charges.
As for making a quick buck, the most you can say that it's covering his ass against the time when it hits the fan and Congress is implicated as accomplices for allowing these abuses to go on for so long. He'll at least be able to say that he tried to do his job and probably save a lot of money that the rest will be fined.
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Get a life. What's your real purpose for being here?
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mccain08:
LOL...again
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mccain08:
Just like the real McCain; nothing of substance.
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Apparently all the outrage is having an effect since Dennis Kucinich is getting to present his case to the Judiciary Committe on Friday.
At least that's more progress than has been made so far.
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Argon18:
Very nice. Thanks for that. It's always good to see and hear from a truly great and fearless patriot.
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Argon18:
who are all dems who have been trying this crap since day one - this is going nowhere, the reason is it is a bunch of partizen morons who can't prove anything theyre claiming.
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This link is for any self-deluded fool who still wants to think there is anything good about Bush and his criminal administration. To anyone who has one positive syllable for bush I say you should be in jail with that useless S.O.B.
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bush has done everything in his power to protect us from the terrorist, god bless him
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mccain08:
John McCain... is that you?
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mccain08:
The problem is "everything in his power" includes torture and disregarding the constitution.
Keep the blinders on McSame08 things appear much better that way.
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mccain08:
It would be more appropriate if God were to kick Bush in the teeth. Bush has already helped himself to blessings, God won't be giving him any.
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The problem, I think, is that people constantly compare it to past events. Even in this article the possibilities are compared to past American historical events. I think the constant comparison of Bush to Nixon, or Iraq to Vietnam, etc etc, it makes us wonder if it's AS BAD as Vietnam, or just comparable on a lower scale. I think my generation have heard stories about Nixon and Vietnam from our parents and we idealized it to the point that hardly anything will justify the response that Vietnam got.
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IAMROBOT:
To this point in our history the comparable events that you refer to have been the bell weather. I can't help but think this is about change. Do you wonder how your children will view this debacle?
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I think the Bush/Cheney team went into this having learned the lessons of Nixon.
Nixon got caught and had to turn over incriminating evidence -- so they began this whole thing with the idea that they would not leave any evidence lying around.
Karl Rove especially was traumatized when he saw Nixon fall.
So it's no surprise that he "accidentally" routed ALL sensitive emails through a special non-RNC server, one that falls outside the control of the government records Act. While Karl shrugs his shoulders and gives an innocent "Oops!" after almost all the incriminating emails have been deleted -- we know better.
I doubt even if they invesitgated they'd find anything. They (Rove, Cheney, Bush) knew they were dancing on the edge of a knife when they pulled this bullshit using "signing statements" as a unoffical line-item veto or when they decided to unoffially expand Presidential power so as to embue Bush with the power to ignore the FISA law -- they knew it going in. And they covered their asses (and tracks) at every stage of the game.
Unlike Nixon who never thought for one second the tide would turn against him or that he'd be compelled to turn over recordings and documents -- Karl and his team knew from day one to burn, shred and destroy anything that might come back to haunt them. He wasn't gonna get caught with his pants down like Nixon did. They were gonna do it right this time and they were gonna get away with it.
They never truly believed anything they were doing would stand up to Constitutional scrutiny or was legally solid -- so even if we launched the world's biggest investigation all you'd probably find are a bunch of empty email servers, some partially burned documents and a laughing Karl Rove.
- 3 years ago
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crob80227
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Mark701
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I think the probability of this kind of investigation happening is extremely high. Bush and Cheney have made many powerful enemies and it seems highly unlikely that they will be willing to let bygones be bygones.
I suspect that when they leave office it will be open season on Bush, Cheney and anyone that had anything to do with condoning torture, domestic spying or getting us into the Iraq war.
Though it's unlikely any of them will do any hard time, they will be forever shunned and no one will want anything to do with them. No speaking engagements, no honorary degrees, no book deals, no ships named after them, etc. They will be public pariahs and living witness to the cruelty, mismangement, corporate greed and intolerance of the Republican party.
Still, even If they die lonely, penniless and friendless it will be a better fate than some of the people they've victimized over the last eight years. - 3 years ago
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Mark701:
I think the idea that they will be forever shunned is pretty unlikely. While making powerful enemies, the Bush regime has also made power friends (and made those friends even more rich and powerful). They will be taken care of by those they have served the past 7 years. I would like to see them do some hard time for their crimes, but I suspect that the best we can hope for is for their legacy to be forever tarnished to future generations.
- 3 years ago
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Bovey
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iOw
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If only the United States still had the balls to be outraged by this. Remember the days when just knowing of atrocities was enough to spark riots? Gone are those days of yore..
- 3 years ago
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iOw
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VoyagerFilms
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J.Edgar (The Devil Incarnate) Hoover lives on in the Busheney gang.
- 3 years ago
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VoyagerFilms
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schmedly
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VoyagerFilms:
AMEN....Although I would like to see Chaney in knickers and a powdered wig....
ohboy, there's those black helicopters circling again - 3 years ago
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schmedly
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I think the majority of the USA is still asleep or just don't care. Maybe your friends and family are awake but how many people are there in the Country who just don't know!? There are 304,000,000 of us. We only have one good channel and the holy grail... The Internet. Once they get rid of it we're all lost.
- 3 years ago
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Magnus_Kain
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Bovey
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Magnus_Kain:
Then the responsibility lies with us to help educate our fellow Americans, and make sure that the Internet remains free.
- 3 years ago
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Bovey
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hollowman218
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I don't know how mant more stories about power abuse we have to listen to until something is finally done. It's like 90% of the country reads about Bush's crimes, and only 10% are out there every day trying to take back our country from that crazed lunatic.
- 3 years ago
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hollowman218
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osiris326
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And once Bush is out of office he will claim that no one under him can testify because it all falls under executive privilege even though he is no longer the executive and the Dems. having no balls will be like ok sorry to bother you.
- 3 years ago
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osiris326
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Agent_Scully
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A few years ago I'd be screaming in outrage at my computer screen after reading this. But now my reaction is: "Big deal. Same old, same old".
Is there anything this administration would do that would surprise me by now? I doubt it.
- 3 years ago
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Agent_Scully
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CTZNWES
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Interesting, yet i still think nothing will come of this. Impeachment still seems like a "pipe dream".
- 3 years ago
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CTZNWES
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CTZNWES:
Impeachment probably is a pipe dream at this point, but criminal prosecution after the Bush admin leaves office is still a possibility (anyone prosecuted before Bush leaves office just gets a pardon anyway).
- 3 years ago
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Bovey
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CarolynGillis
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thanks for posting Ogmin!
- 3 years ago
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CarolynGillis
