News and Politics | August 20, 2008 | 53 comments

Court bans Confederate flag in schools

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A federal appeals court panel has ruled in favor of a Tennessee high school that banned students from wearing clothing with the Confederate battle flag after several racial incidents.

Students Derek Barr, Chris White and Roger Craig White claimed in a lawsuit that their free speech rights were violated by the 2005 ban on the Confederate symbol at William BloFeunt High School in Maryville.

School officials said their ban came after racial tension that included a fight, a civil rights complaint and graffiti of a Confederate flag, a racial slur and a noose.

In its opinion filed Wednesday in Cincinnati, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that school officials had a right to ban the flag because they could "reasonably forecast" that it would disrupt education.




I think it's wrong to ban Anything, the Confederate symbol is not that bad just some mrons make it evil
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  • outtheinside
  • outtheinside
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      outtheinside  
    • More than I'd like to admit that this is a symbol of free speech because it is making a statement (unlike laws that make you keep a stereo at a specified level because you aren't making a statement besides i'm a rebel teenager) is that if any statement, whether it is the confederate flag, cross burning, shirts with guns on them, that disrupts the school setting as this has, deserves some sort of probation from the setting.

      how is that so hard to understand. this isn't about the flag, its about the education of the students at the individual tennessee school.

    • 3 years ago
  • Eri_Soulja
  • Eri_Soulja
  • handshakeheartbreak
  • skystergirl
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      skystergirl  
    • The Confederate flag is offensive to many people. The Ku Klux Klan carries it with them to all their rallies and so forth. It just causes problems to wear a symbol that is known as something hateful.

    • 3 years ago
  • smartcafe
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      smartcafe  
    • Nothing postive will come from this type of censorship. Racial tensions didn't come from someone wearing a confederate flag shirt. The racial tensions were already there. If this does anything it sends a message to white southern students that their history is insulting and illegal. The only thing the court did was pour gas on the fire. I hate seeing that flag probably more then alot of people but we are inching closer and closer to thought police regulations.

    • 3 years ago
  • Chuck_st_chuck
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • Chuck_st_chuck:

      I dont expect you to care. I posted that to make a point that we as a nation are uneducated about our own history and for some reason its ok to hurt or kill a white person due to racial tension or hatred, but when its the other way its wrong. Overall what issue is race anyways?? Are we all really that different because of a skin tone??

    • 3 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • Just a bunch of morons making the flag issue something it isnt. These idiots made it a racial aspect, though the flag was never meant to be that. Our first written law as a nation was the Articles of the Confederation. The south fought for their rights to make laws as states, which these articles say should happen. Racism got dragged into the civil war even though both sides used freedom as a rouse to get poor black men on the front lines. My best friend was murdered because someone he was with had a shirt with said flag on it. He wasnt racist one bit, but the people responsible got away with it due to the flag being cited as a reason. Our country needs to grow up, its been over a generation since the civil rights movement and were have we really gone from there??

    • 3 years ago
  • mookster_07
  • seeker561
  • seeker561
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      seeker561  
    • "bong hits for Jesus"

      This court case has nothing to do with the damn confederate flag. It is about a public school's right to impose limits on appearance and speech in the name of order and disipline. Courts have given schools wide latitude in this area and also have had little hesitation in limiting the rights of minors.

    • 3 years ago
  • outtheinside
  • bishopobispo
  • smartcafe
  • keeshii768
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      keeshii768  
    • If you wanna fly the Confederate flag i guess that's your prerogative. i just don't see why you can't fly the flag of the United States instead. I've also wondered why people in New Jersey fly the flag so much, it strikes me as odd.

    • 3 years ago
  • RojoGatto
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      RojoGatto  
    • that makes a good point what the difference between the confederate flag and the Nazi flag they both represent racism honestly

    • 3 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • The original use of the swastika was a Tibetan symbol that could be connected and continued infinitely. It was basically a good luck charm until the Nazis used it as their symbol. Unfortunately people associate the swastika with Nazis and the evil that they did. And I think that is sad, why couldn't the Nazis have created their own symbol from scratch rather than ruining a Tibetan symbol for good luck?

    • 3 years ago
  • globewatcher
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      globewatcher  
    • well. we are divided arent we? in the south the confederate flag is commonly revered by white people. while i lived down there i did not meet one person of any other race that thought it anything but a symbol of rebellion and hate. here out west it was commonly associated with the skinhead movement that did not last long thank god. yeah they all have long hair and are in hiding now thanks to sharps and they better stay there if they know whats good for em. it comes to this; that flag is tolerated where racisim is still tolerated, but in places like portland or, where racisim is hated, the confederate flag may as well be a swastika. oh, swastika, thats just a symbol thats been misused too, right? please, its evil and you know it.

    • 3 years ago
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • US politics fans take note. There was time, Pre-Reagan, when Democrats held ground in the South and the North was mostly Republican.
      What a topsy-turvy country, eh?

    • 3 years ago
  • malathion
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      malathion  
    • the statehouse in Columbia SC ( the capitol city ) used to fly the Confederate flag on it's dome pole . the NAACP raised hell a few years back and demanded the confederate flag be taken off the pole - and it was done . now the confederate flag has it's own monument , dedicated to the civil war dead , erected on the ground just in front of Main St. , where it's even more visible . the NAACP got the flag off the top of the statehouse , where it was hardly visible , and now it's unavoidable - anyone passing by on Main st. can't avoid seeing it - and it's a big flag - bigger than a battle flag .
      now the NAACP wants that one taken down also .
      did i hear an appeals court in Ohio ruled that wearing the flag could be reasonably expected to disrupt education in Tn. ?
      F Ohio . i'd stage a march in Cincinnati bussing in as many flag waving peeps as i could to cause a riot . i'm not opposed to any flag being displayed , in any form , anywhere and at any time .
      i don't own a confederate flag - but i'd buy one to just to march on Ohio with it .

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • malathion
  • Chuck_st_chuck
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      Chuck_st_chuck  
    • Slavery was dying
      and not many people know this but Blacks did fight for the Confederacy, and yes the north won and who writes most of the History? the ones who win.
      Read a book called "the south was right" its a great book showing how the confederate nation was growing.
      And yes they lost, but it's now a symbol of History and whats wrong with that?

    • 3 years ago
  • thetrimsmith
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      thetrimsmith  
    • Anyone who respects the Confederate flag should quietly retire it to their home. It is a very Honorable flag that has been highjacked by racist from both sides. The Confederacy stood for States Rights, with a weak Federal Government. Slavery was becoming a burden, both economicaly and morally, on the South. Slavery was Wrong and the separation can still be seen today. No one hates the American flag and it stood for slavery 100 years before the "rebellion". Robert E. Lee was the man.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • To me the idea of a united US is a relative failure. Many smaller nations have survived longer because they weren't big multi-everything nations. The Roman Empire and Soviet Union both fell.

    • 3 years ago
  • iokua_2003
  • hamlette2002
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      hamlette2002  
    • iokua_2003:

      Good point - I don't see a bunch of English flags being waved around by the descendants of English patriots that thought the Boston Tea Party and American Revolution was a bad idea. What ARE they keeping alive?

    • 3 years ago
  • tanyetta
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      tanyetta  
    • I don't know what to say about this, but when I see the flag I just think its kind of disrespectful to the real American flag. Taking the history of the flag and the civil war where people fought to establish the US again. The flag just shows how we are still divided as a country. The confederate flag doesn't show unity to me. It might be a symbol of hope and heritage to the south, but to me it is a symbol of segregation and isolation because it doesn't show America's north, south, east, and west under one beacon of light. I don't want to be the one to put race in it, so I am taking a different approach.

    • 3 years ago
  • edbr
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      edbr  
    • tanyetta:

      good point. the north and south fought, and the north won. our country (supposedly) unified (the UNITED states) and adopted the more recent version of the flag.

      one who is patriotic about his/her country and its history should be proud of flying the modern flag. flying the confederate flag is symbolism of division and disrespect for the UNITED states we are today.

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
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      Emil_G  
    • When I was in high school, a friend of mine got HAULED IN THE PRINCIPAL'S office for having a "The Chinkees" (an all-asian, god awful 1990's pop-punk/ska band) sticker on his car, while there were many many hicks with rebel flags on their cars and clothes and that was ok.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • The Confederates actually banned the slave trade in their constitution...plus, no doubt if they survived as a nation, they'd eventually ban slavery anyways, since there were abolitionists in that area...

    • 3 years ago
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • Wow. Talk about a backyard story.
      I live in Tennessee and, while at my city's annual Fourth Of July Parade, I saw rows and rows of Confederate Flags on vans, trucks, buses, cars, sticking out of store windows, being waved by folks in and out of the event and, the image that will stay with me all my days, strapped on the back of a baby buggy.
      There were no incidents of violence.
      My conclusion? It ain't the flag.
      It's what some folks chose to associate with it.

    • 3 years ago
  • jeromecon
  • ericael
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      ericael  
    • huntre:

      Did the majority of the people at the parade (and in the town) look like you? I've also grown up in Tennessee, and seeing a Confederate flag gives me a very clear signal-- I'm not welcome. It doesn't matter how nice the people wearing or waving it are. For me, it's a symbol very clearly (and not that long ago) linked with violence against and especially the lynching of black people. I understand that may seem like an overreaction to you, but it's just the way it is for me and many other people of color.

    • 3 years ago
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • huntre:

      I understand your sentiments regarding it's history where Blacks are concerned. I've spent most of my life in and around diverse communities up North where that flag means little more than a Redneck's declaration. My post was about those who see it merely as a symbol of the South versus the violent, ignorant and arrogant racist perpetrators using it in the worst ways possible.
      Having recently moved here from Minneapolis, I was stunned at the number of those flags surrounding me with no consideration of it's deeper meanings by those holding them.
      Your points are well taken.

    • 3 years ago
  • jeromecon
  • mypsychoticself
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      mypsychoticself  
    • While I understand the free speech claim, I agree with the ruling. Yes, students should be able to demonstrate their opinions, but they also have the right to safety, and fights endanger more people than those who started it.

    • 3 years ago
  • sublimeuniverse
  • drumguy08
  • RojoGatto
  • Nettle
  • ghost2047
  • Chuck_st_chuck
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      Chuck_st_chuck  
    • I wave my confederate flag, how am I racist
      I was raised in the south.
      it's history
      tell you what then
      NO star of davids for jews because the zelots revolted against rome.

      No Pink triangle for gays because it was made up by nazis.. every symbols has a history for something bad.

    • 3 years ago
  • jeromecon
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      jeromecon  
    • staces , a cross necklace is controversial , since when ?
      And so what if some people get offended .
      Where in the Constitution does it say we have the right not to be offended?

    • 3 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • jeromecon:

      Umm... I could be mistaken, but I don't think that Staces is saying that a cross necklace is controversial. I think that Staces is saying that displaying characteristics about yourself is controversial.

      I could be way off base though, so if Staces could clear that up that would be wonderful.

    • 3 years ago
  • staces
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      staces  
    • I think they oughta let them wear the symbol if they want to. It just makes it easier for us to spot the racist idiots in order to avoid them. I mean, c'mon, you'd have to be an idiot to wear that shit and think people aren't going to be offended. Especially in the south.
      Kind of like wearing a cross necklace. I sure as hell ain't going to tell you that you can't wear it, but you are displaying a characteristic about yourself that, you know as well as everyone, is highly controversial.
      You have to acknowledge that.

    • 3 years ago
  • Chuck_st_chuck
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      Chuck_st_chuck  
    • but if they get hurt thats another form of hate
      they can believe what ever they want
      but when action is taken thats when it's gone too far.

      and the rebel flag is NOT racist just some racist use it
      the real meaning is about freedom

    • 3 years ago
  • AbsolutelyCold
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      AbsolutelyCold  
    • I don't like what many people have to say, but I fully support their right to say it.While I hate that flag and believe that it is frequently used to present ideas of racism, this ban clearly hampers the right to free speech. If the kids get their asses beat all the better!

    • 3 years ago
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