Community Organizers Respond To Palin’s Attack
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PALIN: And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a “community organizer,” except that you have actual responsibilities.
Center for Community Change: When Sarah Palin demeaned community organizing, she didn’t attack another candidate. She attacked an American tradition
Assn. of Community Organizations for Reform Now: ACORN members, leaders and staff are extremely disappointed that Republican leaders would make such condescending remarks on the great work community organizers accomplish in cities throughout this country.
USAction: These groups, and the millions of individuals they represent, are dismayed by the recent dismissal of their efforts in the form of political attacks. Community organizations have been at the heart of every major reform in modern history – from the Boston Tea Party to the civil rights movement for example, the quest for civil rights began when community organizers mobilized the disenfranchised.
Community Organizers of America: The last thing we need is for Republican officials to mock us on television when we’re trying to rebuild the neighborhoods they have destroyed. Maybe if everyone had more houses than they can count, we wouldn’t need community organizers.
Should They be offended by her Remarks?
From ThinkProgress:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/organizers-respond-palin/
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wholefreespirit
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"Someone needs to remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor." Oh wait...she should probably know that being a devout christian and all.
You can't preach without reading your Bible Sarah. - 3 years ago
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at the end of the article....
"Should They be offended by her Remarks? "
They should be offended by THAT remark, author "buttcrack".
Of course they should be. How those comments made by republican leaders could ever be construed as anything other than offensive, in the very least, is a mystery to me.MCCAIN / PALIN ARE MONSTERS
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I'd trust a community organizer over someone with "executive experience" any day, but who needs "leaders" when you have democracy?
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blue26
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i wldn't care much if mcain became president. i respect the guy. its her running mate who scares me. there's something about her. she gives me the willies. she reminds me of one richard nixon. ouch! but i mean it. she does. besides, when obama was helping folks in the southside of chicago get back on their feet when he was just 23 (yes,23)MIZZ palin was in front of her mirror practicing on her huge, fake, permanent, grin for her next beauty pagent. so who's the joke on? really?
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blue26:
Is that what you think Obama's community organizing was? I know different.
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blue26:
You don't know shit. I've read different, just like you. I 'know' I've read all about ACORN. And I 'know' I've read all about Wasilla. But I don't KNOW shit. And neither do you.
You are trolling the shit out of these threads jawny, and I 'know' why: this is character, full bullshit. It's about a speech and people's reactions to a speech. These aren't issues. They're just not. Now I don't think I'm above it, because I'm not. I play along. I think it is BS the way Palin disses true patriots, people who work to build their own communities. Just because you believe Obama was part of a shadier than normal activist group in Chicago, which he possibly was, doesn't mean that other people can't call bullshit on these pointless generalizations and out-of-scope conversations.
As Rick Davis said, this election isn't about issues. Yea, we on current know that from the conservative trolling that happens only on BS threads about political talk, not real issues.
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Whether she was intending to insult every community organizer in America or not, her message to me is that above everything else, she is NOT a team player. Her comments speak of an elitist class mentality. By claiming that her background in elected office is more meaningful than someone else's background in community service is to claim that there is a hierarchy and structure around public service and that some members of the team are more important than other members of the team. Specifically, that she was more important to her team than were other members of her team. This is not the way a good leader speaks or acts.
Hers is an attitude that is destructive to leadership. It is an attitude that fosters mistrust, capriciousness, unfairness, injustice, and a host of other problems amongst the team. Since she is proposing that we elect her the vice-president of our team of hundreds of millions of people, I find her attitude about leadership disturbing and unworthy of my support.
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rodajones:
So why belittle mayors? That is the point isn't it? If community organizer is preparation for President, then why isn't Mayor preparation for Vice President?
Answer that one simple question.
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rodajones:
Nobody is belittling mayors. People are pointing out that she was a mayor of a small ass town, and she's been governor for a shorter period of time than McCain's been running for Prez (look it up). It's just a pointless and foolish attack, besides the fact that everyone is so conveniently forgetting his constitutional law career as a professor, his eight years in a state legislature, and his four years stuck in the national spotlight.
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If you guys haven't seen this...
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seanalyn:
Wait . . . further the class war? Republicans? I think you've got that EXACTLY BACKWARDS. It's Obama and his crew who are talking about taxing the wealthy and who are blaming corporations for every evil. Are you even paying attention?
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Of course community organizers should be offended....hell Im offended! I was a community organizer for a population larger than that tiny town she was mayor in (and by the way, when she was mayor the population was 5,000 not 9,000 like she keeps saying)!
Her whole speech was nothing but hate and vile...she dissed a lot of people including San Franciscans (btw San Francisco has a higher population than the state of Alaska). How can she even try to speak about uniting the people when her whole speech just tried to alienate and divide!?
Honestly I was a Hilary supporter and although I never even considered voting Republican, the way the Republicans and especially Palin have been acting has just made me a more passionate supporter of Obama. Republicans just want to further the class, race and sex wars in this country...they dont want to unite us as one, they only want to divide us and beat us down.
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seanalyn:
Don't mind him, he's just spewing.
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seanalyn:
yeah class war.... the separation of classes. Obama wants to tax the wealthy because they are very well off and the rest of america is not....therefore that would help solve the class war. im pretty sure that makes sense.
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Why does she need to compare her experience with Obama's anyways? SHE IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, everyone needs to stop acting like she is.
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ajcowley:
IMO its not so much the president but the package as well. I like the democratic package as of recently, and i voted a straight democratic ticket in 06. So, i'm furthering my support to bring a democrat into office in 08 in order to fully allow the democrats to to something successful. VP means a lot to the package. I can say that I was thrilled with joe biden because i wanted him to get the presidential nomination in the first place.
Palin is just Mccain's bitch, as i see it. To think that she is insignificant because shes only VP is dumb. She is very important because it shows how Mccain strategizes. He picked someone that is fake and will do as told, no experience, sponsored some pretty dumb stuff and lied about it later. She has no foreign relations experience but has the balls to criticize obama as a community organizer. Women will vote for her because she's a woman, just as black people will vote for obama because he's black--equals the grounds a little. But Biden is the polar opposite of Palin, therefore the democratic ticket is much stronger, IMO.
i dont even know what im talkingabout anymore that was such an unorganized rant oh well
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ajcowley:
the vice prez will have HUGE power thanks to cheney. pallin is definitely something to be kept out of office unless we want the country to sprout oil wellls like hives and all the endangered species ending up in nice restaraunts.
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ajcowley:
I hear Polar Bears are tasty. Good thing there's so many of them, because I'm really hungry.
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rodajones:
I wouldn't hire the government to wipe my ass. And I sure as hell don't need a community organization to do it either.
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rodajones:
Just goes to show turd blossom Karl Rove is helping the McCain campaign. Just think, if the Democrats in Congress had done their job, Karl Rove would be preparing his testimony, not helping Republicans smear Community Organizers. No one is safe from the wrath of the Republicans. They are like a pack of dogs, nothing matters when they are in pack mode. We need to use facts as our mace to stop their attacks on American values. They dont want facts to be an issue, so they have chosen mean attacks on facts instead. Community Organizers are the leaders ordinary Americans turn to when we need help.
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We're not scared of Palin, arcticspirit. We're appalled by her.
For those of you seemingly beaten, gang-raped and left for dead by outright stupidity, here's a list of some of the people she pretty much discredited:
the founding fathers of the United States (they were community organizers)
Cesar Chavez,
Martin Luther King, Jr.,
Dorothy Day,
Congressman John Lewis,
Paul Wellstone,
pretty much every food bank and neighborhood watch,
Habitat for Humanity,
every suffragist in American history(and by extension the feminist/women's movement)
the Christian Coalition,
the Christian Community Development Organization,
Outreach International,
Nelson Mandela,
the Civil Rights movement,
the Latino/Chicano movement,
the gay rights movement,and yes, Barack Obama.
The only thing people would fear about Sarah Palin is how she and McCane could TOTALLY SCREW THEM OVER if they get elected.
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khromadjo:
Really. What a stupid overreaction. It should be clear to anyone with half a brain (which apparently excludes you and that butt boy Olbermann who spun up this phony outrage in the first place) that she was talking about her resume versus Obama's and was not disparaging community organizers in any way.
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khromadjo:
By the way, these aren't the kind of community organizations that Obama worked for. Evidently you know very little about Chicago Machine Politics or Obama's connections too it. I wonder why. It wouldn't be because while the media has dispatched thousands of reporters to Alaska to dig dirt on Palin they have devoted VERY LITTLE time or resources looking into Obama's stint as a "community organizer". The bottom line is you don't know and you don't care to know.
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khromadjo:
Oversensitive.
End.Of.Story.
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khromadjo:
Your version of the truth . . . which actually bears very little resemblance to reality.
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khromadjo:
You guys are funny. Keep it up!
So how often do they shear your wool? - 3 years ago
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khromadjo:
good list khromadjo, thanks for doing the research
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khromadjo:
You see, you're assuming it insulted me. This only proves your transparence. I don't care for EITHER candidate. Your partisan bull is useless against me. I was just pointing out what we all heard in Palin's speech, and what the implications are. Apparently that didn't go over well with you. By the way, comparing me and Olbermann is quite humorous...great comic relief to circumvent the truth...J and Jaw, get real guys.
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khromadjo:
If the offended are just oversensitive then it's a non-issue. Why do you trouble you're pretty little heads about it?
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jawnybnsc
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ACORN is SCUMMY!
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Her qualifications were under attack. She drew a comparison between her experience and that of Obama. In other words, if Obama is going to tout "community organizer" as part of his resume, then why is "small town mayor" worthy of ridicule?
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For reference, Ms. Palin, here's the first amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Note that the people have the right to peaceably assemble.
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LarzNero:
But not to mob.
"A crowd may easily enact the part of an executioner, but not less easily that of a martyr." - Gustave Lebon.
Not one of those protesters would have died for their thoughts. Because if they did, they wouldn't be able to whine about being treated the way they wanted to be treated.
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LarzNero:
Republican mind set, if it doesnt kill ya, it doesnt matter!
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LarzNero:
They weren't destroying property?
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LarzNero:
i've seen pics of the "inciters" and seen a few up close, and usually it's a plant. someone who just happens to be wearing police issue boots and has their face covered most of the time. note that nothing anywhere near this kind of police brutality happened in denver. there were no journalists arrested either.
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I have to agree, I was deeply offended at Palins speech. I felt that she wasn't attacking the other candidate as much as she was attacking me and my ideals. This was the first time I have become involved in the political process, something that is truly American, and there she was mocking my efforts and excitement for the campaign process. Shame on her!
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She was responding to what she was said she was like, was she not?
I don't think this was an insult that those those who were...overly sensitive.
Stir the hornet's nest. I'm sure being "peaceable" and "anti-war" means you're reasonable and calm.
Oh wait...nah.
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J_Jammer:
Completely out of scope as usual JJ.
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Community service is the backbone of our country, but these rich power broker republicans don't care about the little guy when they can pull political strings to get their way or even buy the police.
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arent beauty queens community organizers? hypocrisy is never far from the lips of any neo-con.
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Don't think, not even for a second, that the speech writers and attornies didn't consider the backlash to that putdown. It was all about the sound-bite.
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huntre:
good thought..
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as a community organizer I wasn't exactly offended by that comment. moreso her entire speech.
however, i think it highlights her lack of experience. she was trying to throw a political jab and ended up pissing off thousands of people who have a direct impact on politics. Now imagine if she had done something similar with China, Russia, Pakistan, or Europe.
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jh64487:
Doesnt look like diplomacy is her stong suit. Anger Americas finest, trying to win an election. SAD! SAD! SAD!
Dont forget, if they win, they will get to pick our next Supreme Court Justices. The ones who put George W. in office. Had the Supreme Court not stepped in, we could have investigated the count, not stopped it. Our votes would have been counted and Al Gore would have been President and America would not be in the position we are in today. Never ending war!
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jh64487:
Al Gore speaks worse than Bush.
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jh64487:
Brendan, you crack me up!
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Why does any of this matter? Please.
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arcticspirit:
I think it might matter to the community organizers in america, dont you?
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arcticspirit:
Ah, this must be a example of compassionate conservatisim we hear so much about! Notice how deeply in tune they are with others. Community organizers are idiots who accomplish nothing. How compassionate the Republicans are. Like when the RNC partied the night away and hired a band called "Hookers And Blow" while people were getting killed during hurrican Gustav. Man, Republicans just love people! They emit a Christ-like glow of warmth and love. Anyway, guess we better get back to Gitmo and start ass-raping some people randomly turned over for bounty (no actual evidence of wrong-doing required) who will later turn out to be innocent.
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arcticspirit:
If something doesn't matter to you arcticspirit, I guess there is no possible reason it could matter at all.
Did you hear her demean community organizers or did you miss that? And if you think that is fair in response to the hits on her for the size of her town then you are a fool. Nobody thinks being mayor of a small town prepares you to be VP. Now, if she had run for President on her own, that would be a different story. And don't try to come back by saying Obama lacks experience too. That's ridiculous. He has been a legislator on the state on national level for over ten years, before which he was a constitutional law professor and a community organizer (the best part of his resume in my opinion).
This matters because it attempts to paint Americans who care enough about their communities enough to do something about them without seeking power. They just do.
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arcticspirit:
It matters because free people are exercising their freedom of thought and freedom of expression. In a free society, each person gets to choose for them self what matters and what does not matter.
Why does freedom scare so many people so badly. As soon as someone starts acting like a free person in America, a crowd of conservatives comes running up and tries to gag them and bind them with the same flag they like to wave in people's faces.
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arcticspirit:
It matters because if she'll let us see this from her now. Now...before she has any authority. What will we see from her later.
As for being affraid of her...ah...it's not in the sense of being affraid that she'd just make the best VP ever and now what are we gonna do...it's the holy shit this can't be happening fear.
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More from the link above:
backup Says:
When Sarah Palin demeaned community organizing, she didn’t attack another candidate. She attacked an American tradition…
kind of like attacking small town mayors.
NoMoreBush Says:
Methinks Sarah Palin has just begun giving the gift that keeps on giving. Like her “master,” she opens her mouth and inserts her foot.
Heckuva job Governor Lightweight.
“As a life-long Republican, the comments I heard last night about community organizing crossed the line. It is one thing to question someone’s experience, another to demean the work of millions of hard working Americans who take time to get involved in their communities. When people come together in my church hall to improve our community, they’re building the Kingdom of God in San Diego. We see the fruits of community organizing in safer streets, new parks, and new affordable housing. It’s the spirit of democracy for people to have a say and we need more of it,”said Bishop Roy Dixon, prelate of the Southern California 4th ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Church of God in Christ, member of the San Diego Organizing Project and former board chair of PICO. PICO is comprised of 53 faith-based organizations and 1,000 faith communities from 50 denominations working in 150 cities and town and 17 states.
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These morons don't seem to realize that our countries strong sense of community service and volunteerism extends to all the men and women in the armed forces.
Yes, you can successfully argue that unfair policies like the so-called "stop-loss" and "back door draft" programs exist, but the fact remains that we have one of the largest, and still one of the best, all volunteer militaries in the world.
So, essentially, they've just spit in the eyes of all the people fighting their wars for them.
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whatever floats your boat. Again, you guys are so scared of this woman is is making you guys act irrational and uh crazy.
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arcticspirit:
I don't think it is fear so much as it is a sense of dumbfounded awe every time she opens her mouth or issues a press release.
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arcticspirit:
Typical repugnantcan style of attack, artic. Accuse others of your own failings. How scared of Obama must have the rnc machinery been to come up with a pick like Palin when there were so many others obviously more qualified. Your party has already shown us the depth of their fear.
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arcticspirit:
i'm afraid of pitbulls, i'll be honest. that's why I keep them chained up if they're vicious and have them put down if they attack people.
so...yea.
do we really have to go through another 4 years for you to see this isn't the kind of person we need in charge. did you not see that unemployment is now at 6.1 percent? what is it going to take to see the reality of the situation?
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arcticspirit:
Im not afraid of Sarah Palin, Im afraid of the gullible, people who think an attack dog is what Americans need. Hell, we have lived through the dark ages of the Darth Vader.
Pittbull with lipstick? Do all hockey moms think a Pittbull with lipstick is a good thing? Do ordinary Americans think a Pittbull with lipstick should be a heartbeat away from President? Too much swagger! We cant change the past, but we can change the future.
America needs a Country Organizer, supported by Community Organizers. Pittbulls are not synonymous with compassion. Community Organizers are individuals with compassion, who care about their community and fellow citizens.
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arcticspirit:
I'd say the one that's scared is the one that's hiding. The so-called bulldog must have been tied-up or thrown in her cage where she won't do anymore damage. On the contrary arcticspirit, she's the one that's scared. She can't even come out and do some one on one interviews like any other candidate. She's scared.
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They should absolutely be offended by her remarks. I was disgusted by how much hating was thrown around in the speeches at the RNC. Sure, the talking heads were meant to be attacking their Democratic opponents. But what they didn't stop to think about was a lot of what they were saying didn't actually apply to their opponents at all, but instead to many American people. And while all the snide and cutting remarks were cheered on at the convention, they ended up looking like disrespectful jerks to the rest of us.
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abbym0308:
I agree, I would defienetly be offended if I ever did work as a community organizer, they should of worded it differently.
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