'Gay things need to die', says man accused of brutally killing transgender woman

This is not directed at the orginal poster of the comment I am responding to.

you know what's funny too (not funny haha)? People are refering to this transwoman who was doing sexual acts with a man, as homosexual. If a transwomen does sexual acts with a male those acts would then be considerd hetrosexual, or maybe pansexual, not homosexual. Just because a person has a penis, it does not make that person a man, and if a person does not have a penis, that does not make them a women.
Gender is in the brain.
Genatis are what is below the belt. If all we were attracted to as humans, is genatails don't you think we'd be walking around with make up on tem exposing them for the world to see and covering the rest of ourselves up. I'm a pansexual female to male transgender person. I am out in every aspect of my life...but what if I were having sex with someone and all of a sudden they didn't feel ok with it and insted of just calling it quits and leaving they killed me. How justified would they be in doing that?

I just don't think killing other humans works, over all, for us, as humans. We fear that which we do not understand. A lot of people would rather not try and understand transgender people. Do you know that left-handed people used to be killed for being witches and thought to be evil.

It's like you go out of your way to be a moron.

You do realize that you aren't arguing a point, so much as throwing a tantrum and attempting to insult me with tactics used by 15-year-olds everywhere.
Keep in mind that your frequent use of "fags" and "freaks," as well as your constant references to bestiality and fringe sexual practices (all of them practiced by millions of heteros everywhere), only make your reactionary idiocy more obvious.

I am perfectly aware that posing as a woman to get sex from strangers via the internet is pretty damned stupid thing to do - and it definitely qualifies as some sort of minor sexual assault, in my book - but it is far from deserving of murder, which was the only point I was making.
Do you disagree? Because that would be scary.

I hold different views than you about homosexuality, and argue them in threads that are debating gay issues.
If you don't like having your viewpoints on the subject questioned, then don't post your opinions.
Also - if you think you've got me all figured out simply because of how I feel about certain gay issues, then you are slow in the head.
Burn the witch, echoz!

your artificial intelligence actually matches your natural stupdity! considering the source, for you, that's quite the feat! hehehe ;D very well done! congratulations! lol

Thank you for such an intelligent response. I wish I'd had your wit when flinging insults in high school.

Echoz, how can you deny anything that Humdrum said? It was all completely valid. Please explain why you disagree.

I agree for the most part, murder is murder and "hate crime" is some special interest semantic crap.

I do think the sheman brought it on himself but i am not defending the murderer, this wasn't deserving of murder however we do live in a unjust world so you do need to have some common sense if you're going to be the "t" in "glbt"

As with all debates on current, the debate has gone off track and has become more of a "what does it matter if a tranny blows you and doesn't tell you?" like they are no different than a natural female and the guy still probably got off so he obviously liked tranny's. I personally think that is nuts too think that way. Yep the guy is a murderer, who is arguing that?

"I'm sure you hypocrites would be singing a very different tune if this were a biological female who got beaten to death over a f#cking blow job."

well I don't think this is the same situation, the tranny didn't get killed necessarily over a blow job, it was more over a lie, and a very personal one, with a blow job on top. I'm not saying it justifies it, but show me a guy who murders a real woman over a blow job, however I bet i can show you a bunch of lying now dead tranny's.

Haha, dude that is perfect.

Responsibility falls on those involved, despite whatever philosophical position one may take.

Yeah, seriously.

Well, technically it was he who did all the touching... =)

thank you. that's so true for so many heterosexuals! even more than a few women I suppose would frown and be like, wtf???

There's a stark difference between being pissed and murdering someone.
...which shouldn't have to be explained.

If you'd kill someone over sex, or excuse someone who does it, then perhaps you should ask yourself what kind of person you are.

A righteous person.

My that's vague, NMH.

We could debate what a righteous person is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/righteous

There is the definition. Do you think that it is morally OK to kill or assault someone?

Of course not. There isn't a single moral system that would consider murder or violence OK for any reason other than self defense.

If you think it is OK to get violent with someone because you are exuding an aura that says you are gay and that you want someone to hit on you, then you, sir, are nothing but a complete and utter coward.

If you don't know how to say no, then you need to grow a pair.

People who react violently to alternative sexual lifestyles are usually closet cases who live with cognitive dissonance every day of their life.

Violence is the tool of those who are too stupid have the vocabulary to express their feelings.

Because there is only intolerance in America.

actually xenophobia relates to the fear of "aliens", not gays

Here you go: Enjoy being absolutely completely and flat out wrong.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Xenophobia

as stated by Micaleth - "This guy killed because he is homophobic and/or a closet homosexual.

He is at war with himself fighting his homosexual urges off.
When he lost the battle with himself and took a man home he then snapped and put all the blame on the Tranny.

He transferred the blame and killed in the process. "

really... so he was secretly a homosexual, in a secret relationship with what he thought was a heterosexual and then when he found out she was actually a man, he killed her? gosh homosexuals should stop killing people then, since every time a homosexual or a tranny or whatever gets killed it's because the person was a homosexual in secret?

murder is murder - what's a hate murder? and what's a love murder? or a mediocre murder?

=D

well, yup, shadow', you'll invariably find most of these homo's really know how to equivocate, cuz...like the church lady says "they're special" no matter what they have to twist, be it truth, logic or reason...even religion (most definitely). everything must conform or suffer distortion. most of 'em I find here are assholes if you ask me. thank god the ones i know in person aren't even a fraction as bad! cuz dam! tsk

Yeah, and just because people go to school doesn't mean they're educated - thanks for pointing that out.
Who knows where Angie was in the process - in order to have gender reassignment a person needs to live for at least one year as if they were the opposite sex. For that to happen, Angie would need to tell everyone she met that she was indeed a "she", otherwise her claim for surgery could be denied. Perhaps she was weeks away from surgery, or maybe she was just starting he waiting year - either way, it was her responsibility to portray herself as female. Nobody is perfect, and 20/20 hindsight says NEVER pickup inbred hick men on the internet for a one night stand, but maybe, just maybe, she was just getting the hang of things and screwed up.
Either way, even a beating isn't called for. If people we better educated and didn't equate being gay with being dirty or bad, none of this would have to happen. In the end, he got his rocks off, which he obviously enjoyed, and the only thing that he had to deal with is the fact that his penis doesn't know gender when it comes to ejaculation - fancy that! What the hell does it matter what gender s/he was, especially since he didn't have sex with her?!?

we'll number one i don't know how anyone could confuse a transgendered person for being anything other than that but whatever. anyway that's your opinion on the "what does it matter what gender s/he was", i think that matters as we humans are not robots. a penis can get off by a hand, or a slot in a seat, however it is nice to know that you are fully informed of the situation before you insert your penis in, well whatever you choose.

by nature this was a man, and even after surgery he would be a castrated man. once again by nature, not mentally or by surgery.

i know people who think they are "the christ" or you know the list can go on, good for them

not if he would have told him first

I think all the name calling happening now is pain he's voicing as well as pride that was hurt for doing something he didn't think he would enjoy unless it was done by a woman.

I think that it was a crime of passion....mainly because it happened quickly without premeditation. It makes the crime less vile in way. Had he planned it and gave much thought on how he was going to go about doing it...would have been worse.

It's sad to even bother thinking like that, but in this world of murder there are degrees and it does matter.

That depends on if it was before or after the oral sex.

Wow, and if a woman wears a tight miniskirt going into a bar she gets exactly what she deserves, right?
That logic is tragically pathetic. You also put words into the mouths of "every man" without any proof to back it up. Before you start speaking for every man in the country, much less the world, you ought to wake up to reality and understand that not every man would be driven to murder. Ever.
The only thing that guy is a victim of is his own poor impulse control, period. If you don't want to be vulnerable, don't drop your fucking pants for the first piece of ass you meet online, how's that for accountability?? If you can't handle what you might meet out there in the big bad world, then you should keep your junk in your pants and stick to your girlfriend.

Victim blaming 101!

So you think if after he got the blow job, he was told honestly that angie was a man he would have reacted more rationally? Gimme a break. He got a blow job from a dude and either way it freaked him the fuck out... i feel bad for all parties involved.

ah hell yeah, Clip'!

ahoouh mookster' dam straight.

This was a transwoman. NOT A MAN. This transgender person was a woman, not a chick with a dick or a shemale or anything like that.

Would it have been ok for the perp to grab the vics crotch had she been born with female genatilla?

She was saying no...Do you think that it's ok for anyone o proceed with sexual advances after the NO has been spoken?

Here is a little info/education (trans 101 lets call it)

Transgender (IPA: /trænzˈdʒɛndɚ/, from (Latin) derivatives [trans

"any murder is a hate crime" - very true.

finally! the voice of HONEST wisdom come to save us from self-indulgent petulant homo's and freaks.

a resolute THANK YOOOUUU 'Jammer

^ we got a smart one, here. Watch out everyone!

(very sarcastic)

I thought it was a hate crime here?

um, fuck a hate crime. my life is worth as much as anyone else's. doesn't anyone think that 'hate crime' devalues people who AREN't a minority? like if i got killed the guy gets x sentence, but if i was gay or they thought it was b/c of my ethnicity or something the guy gets x+y sentence? doesn't make any sense.

I don't know who this y'tube is about and frankly I don't care, but I am with ya zealotohio. I'm not overtly violent either but you do get the real feeling gays are legislating all this "hate" crap so much so that you can't even disagree with the phukn "lifestyle" or their encroaching culture anymore (reminds me of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah where they were bangin' on the phukn doors of Lot's house saying give us wtf we want!) They do want a pass, but one that includes condemning those they deem politically-incorrect, and I suspect they'd absolutely love to characterize the absolute worst-case scenarios as indicative of ANY disagreement, even peaceful, as though (deceitfully) some kind of a phukn "hate" crime.... what phukn bs!!! I don't hate homo's or lesbians, but I do very much dislike prevaricating character in whomever it's more commonly found...

"If one looks at me I'm gonna KILL him and tell god he died" you want to call this Hate Speech. Anyone that is against the homosexual lifestyle is accused of hate speech. The Pro-Gay Lobby in the US has done a fine job of silencing the Christians and the conservatives and anyone that holds the traditional view of marriage. I believe in Freedom of Speech not this Hate Speech Bull shit!

There is a difference between free speech, and inciting violent crime.

You could define the above as a threat to someone's safety, or a conspiracy to kill. If that man was caught killing a gay person because they were gay, you would have to upgrade from murder two to murder one.

He is openly premeditating murder, and the audience members who clapped and cheered could be accused of the same thing.

That IS a hate speech. Would you consider it to be OK for a group of people to meet and talk about the fact that they would kill you if they saw you and then call it free speech?

Free speech means that you can speak out against the government, not that you can threaten the life of another human being. Your freedom ends at the tip of my nose.

That person should be in jail, and we can tell God that we locked up the loony that was spreading the word of hate and Satan and not the word of god and love.

How about that?

Are you saying that an ass kicking would have been appropriate if Angie had given the guy a full explanation of how transexualism works? Or just that the guy didn't _have_ to kill her, just roughed her up?
I'm lost as to where violence would be appropriate at all here, so please help me out.

it seems that the guy was tricked into thinking he was having a heterosexual relationship, killing is no answer, an ass kicking, maybe. a punch in the face and then go take a shower. this was a man not a woman by the way, just because you stick a feather up your butt does not make you a chicken

lol =D

and i was thinking the same kinda thing regarding the honesty of it to begin with, albeit not as colorfully...

hehe...yeah. One should ask themselves the question "what if it happened to me?" I think shadow's already potentially answered it =P but it's unreasonable not to expect some kind of a obviously negative reaction in that circumstance...wtf

seems freaks want to take for granted they'd presuppose "tolerance" helping themselves to disrespecting other sexualities in a world where people are very sensitively personal to their own...no matter the persuasion. the "his own" in "to each his own" isn't exactly considered casually or forgivably redefinable by another's pretentious standard and that kind of deceitfulness would be enraging to say the least for a LOT of people. maybe that's the sentiment behind "they need to die" y'know? probably felt like someone might as well have shoved a broom up his ass in the heat of that moment! he said he lost it... tsk...wtf i mean wtf do so many frolicking freaks really expect?

yeah...saving a reaction like that, a LONG fuckn shower...

Half of psychology is common sense. I think you're correct.

Just to let you know "tranny" is a drigorty term. Transgender is what is widely accepted in the transgender community. Trans can also be used like: transwomen or transman

Duh, that's why he freaked out--cause he got off with a man.

I know, what a fag.