Legislator proposes sterilization for poor women

Do you not realize they are attempting a large scale selective breeding process. Next it will be sterilize anyone who doesn't have blonde hair and blue eyes. Way to go GESTAPO!

on the one hand
welcome to america! the 4th reich
on the other
there are about 3 billion people too many on the planet

discuss?

edit: billion not million

The genes or alleles that cause a person to be poor are definitely heritable, and these genes, which can show up in the phenotype as mental disorders, aren't effected by environment as much as previously thought, as Harvard cognitive psychology Stephen Pinker has been asserting the past 5 years or so. We are not born blank slates; we are born with innate abilities, and are largely heritable, and immutable. I see several of you are taking up for the women in this story, but how many of you have actually been to a bus stop lately(to ride the bus), and have been around these people? How many of you have ever actually been to the welfare line, and had to deal with these people? I have, and I come from a poor family, in a poor town, and I feel as though something has to be done to get them to change their behavior because they will not change on their own; they habituate, and become satisfied with the lifestyle and all it's amenities, and they begin to rationalize the fact that having one more kid means more free money.

It has been proven that poor people, which are largely less educated than middle or upper class, breed disproportionately more than educated people. Just venture 10 miles away from any major city, or go to the midwest, and you will see this. Why should more stupid people be brought into this already over-crowded planet? Can someone give me any good refutations, and not use some antiquated Enlightenment ideal, which was asserted before scientists had any knowledge of how the brain works?

This is so wrong and on so many levels. I am seriously lacking the energy to write the kind of response that this warrants.
I am disgusted by this proposal.

Come to think of it if we fail to prop up our economy and go into a depression are we going to sterilize everyone except Bush and his oil buddies? Great idea.

Barack Obama's mother had for a time to use food stamps. Thank God she didn't have her tubes tied before his birth.

I can't believe people actually want this to undergo, like if you can guess a person's worth just because thier parents make a lot of money. This is disgusting and inhumane, what about we supply them with MORE jobs and education? Let me guess, that's an harder route to go than sterilizing.

Don't these people know that it is the children of the poor that are paying for their social security. Might as well let them get some money now, because in the future they won't have the same benefit.

Well there's a real piece of shit if I ever heard of one.

"Hey we don't like paying for poor kids education, health and welfare, let's just bribe women into giving up there right to give life."

I would feel better about this proposal if there was no cash stimulus. Poor women will be making a very serious decision with dollar signs in their eyes.
Perhaps offering free sterilization, birth control, and education would be better.

Metairie? Louisiana? Yikes...

I think thats a great idea, except for the fact that it limits the program to low-no income individuals.

I think all women and men should have incentives to to be sterilized and adopt. There are way too many unwanted children already on this planet. The earth has a finite amount of space and resources to support humans, not to mention all other life on this planet. Our population can't just keep expanding forever, either people have to stop having babies or eventually the child/infant mortality rate will resume its past behemoth numbers.

Having reproductive organs is a right, being a parent is not.

There is not one person posting on this board that pays enough income tax to pay for the services you personally use. So never fear none of your damned money goes to feed a poor child. My suggestion is if you want someone sterilized, go get it done. This reeks of Hitler.

He's trying to prevent Idiocracy.

Plus he's not powerful enough to get what he wants therefore he's a quack.

What the hell?? These women are poor human beings, not baby making machines. You can't sterilize them like some kind of animal. There are other ways of eliminating poverty.

Do any of you live in major cities? How can you walk down the streets and look these people in the faces? I live in a working neighborhood in a large city and work my ass off, pay my taxes, and i've had to go plenty of times without the things i've wanted or needed. I see GIRLS on the subway everyday, no older than 16 with 2 kids, I see families huddled into doorways in the middle of the day or sitting outside jobless with 8 kids running around playing with things they found in the abandoned lots next to their section 8 houses. I see people at the supermarkets with loaded up shopping carts buying all sorts of shit with food stamps. I want to help, i'm sure we all do, but how far can it go when these women refuse to stop having children. I'm willing to help, and i do, i'm an active participant in neighborhood clean ups, habitat for humanities and the like but how can you help when every 9 months there are just more and more hands being stuck out for help without trying to help themselves first? A lot of these people don't even care to try and help themselves because they are secure knowing that the government will just hand them what they need. Its totally optional, and i do agree that it should be for men as well, but optional people, optional.

Sadly, I am going to have to agree that this is probably a good step. It is not restricted to any race at all. Poor women, couples, etc don't use birth control, don't go to school, have baby after baby after baby, start having babies at 14 or younger. Some have babies just to get the extra cash from Uncle Sam.
"Get them Education" will not work - they don't want it, won't take it.

One thing I will add - don't restrict it to women. A child is not all their fault. Give Men $1000 to get cut too. And start young - 14 to 18.

And before anyone goes judging me - I grew up in that situation. I saw it first hand. Part of the reason I got clipped. So, take your "human rights violation" and shove it up your rich buttocks. It is a human rights violation to let those conditions continue.

Hey what about men? For awhile India was giving a free transistor radio to any man who would get a vasectomy. Lots of takers and probably a good thing -- do a google search on "food and India" and learn about their current food crisis....

As far as all this Nazi shit goes, you guys are all nuts. Slippery slope from voluntary to forced sterilization? I just don't see it.

Unless you guys can show me that Nazi germany had voluntary sterilization which they somehow changed into mandatory, I will not accept this slippery slope fallacy that many of you have stated.

we are all being sterilized from to toxins in the air we breathe, food we eat and water we drink...

So whether you like it or not you are on the shit list of the powers that be.

Not the government but the real authority.

hmm. I'm of two minds with this. He isn't proposing mandatory sterilization and if the women believe $1000 is worth more than having children, then so be it. It's their decision and he isn't forcing it upon them. He's merely giving them the option.

Though, I don't completely agree with it because I don't see him offering poor men $1000 for vasectomies. I also think I'd agree much more with it if it were an IUD program or something that can be eventually reversed if the woman were able to take care of and afford to have children.

I don't think this is a human rights violation because it is offering a CHOICE. There is no mandatory aspect to this. But I do see this as becoming a "slippery slope" sotospeak where a mandatory aspect could eventually be tacked on. At that point, it becomes a human rights problem.

If they CHOOSE to get sterilization. I have to say that I'm annoyed by a bunch of welfare recipients having ten kids.

This is either a solution thought up by a simple minded fool or a compromise created by a idealist worn down by the bloated government he works for. In either case its not a good solution.

Here in New Mexico we have pills now pay later (meaning birth control pills). I think this is not as bad as Romanian laws that say a woman must have 4 kids before 40 or be punished with high taxes. Alot of people there have the kids throw them in an orphanage to be disabled from neglect. I think this process should be open to all regardless of income. Some people cannot even afford pills and what not. I know some one who has 3 kids, methed out all the while and yes she is white so don't give me the nazi speech. Then the grandparents made the mistake of leting her care for 1 so she could flip a car on drugs and hurt the poor girl. Sterilization is the smartest thing she ever did!

What a disgusting human John LaBruzzo is!

Wow, you can just feel the racial hatred dripping in this one. Sterilizing poor women, many of color, so people like LaBruzzo can weed, er um, I mean breed, them out of his utopian system. Disgusting.

You can tell a lot about a country by the way they treat their poor or disadvantaged. It is the thermometer of a civilization. And like many have said here already, how long until it is not just the impoverished? Compared to the ones calling the shots we're all poor castoffs, beneath their notice or sympathy. I feel sorry for you heartless bastards that think this is a good idea. Instead of eliminating the reproductive capabilities of the poor why don't we put just a little more effort into making sure that people don't end up living in poverty in the first place? Fight the disease and not just the symptoms. I made a less than utterly serious comment earlier but I, nevertheless, wanted to draw attention to the fact that this is not the first time this situation has arisen in history. The vast majority of things going wrong in our country right now have happened countless times in countless societies that have come and gone. Yet here we are, sitting on the wrong side of history, making the same mistakes that we've been warned about over and over again.

Eugenics is beginning to succeed. God help us! Especially the poor, because we're next for genocide. Mark my words.

If we had more jobs here in the USA, then these people would not be having babies in order to receive an income.

#1. We should stop the migration to the USA from across the globe.

#2. We should lower the educational level for some of these positions, because they have just a high school diploma doesn't mean that they can't think and handle responsibilities.

#3. We should focus more on vocational schools and trade schools in order to give those that can't become a doctor or lawyer a chance.

#4. We should also focus on another form of energy for our cars, homes and businesses.

We have do what is right for this country, if not, we all are going to suffer.

A balanced budget only means that we have more money to share with other countries but they don't ever pay the money back and that my people is how we come up a deficient.

If anyone really wants to suck from the malthus tit then be my guest and agree with sterilization, anyone who is a little smarter agreed with Marx who said that resource depletion, and poverty where not caused by over population, but that they were symptoms of it. Basically that rather than sterilize all the women which is just cruel and not very sexy, marx believed that a much better way to control population was with social change and education. example: do you know about safe sex? well that makes you much more likely to have sex safely than someone who has never seen a condom. I'm not trying to blow Marx but he did own Malthus!

If you are on medicaid the government will pay for you to get your tubes tied.

I don't agree with PERMANENT sterilization but I do think that chemical sterilization should be mandatory for those on wellfare/ unemployment. You pick up your monthly check, you get a shot of injectable birth control. You get off wellfare, you no longer have to take the shot. It's temporary but it will prevent people not in a financial position to raise children for having them. BTW, I advocate it for men too, it takes 2 to tango, no sense in giving opportunities for MORE deadbeat dads than we already have.

so this guy is tired of paying poor people's children so he wants to pay for poor people's sterilization?

that makes perfect sense

I have a proposal. Let's allow this law to go through as long as it is voluntary. However, let's also consider the fact that corporate welfare costs taxpayers more than twice as much money as social welfare programs.
Let's stipulate that if the gov't ever has to bail your corporation out of a bad desicion, no one on the board should ever have the ability to be in a decision making position ever again at any corporation.

What about instead of paying one thousand dollars to each woman to voluntarily be sterilized, you take that money and use it to train her to do a job, and give her money for CHILD CARE instead. That sounds like a much more humane way of dealing with the problem.

It is still not right to take away the ability to have a child for anyone. They need to be rather educated then sterilized.

Well , I believe this is one step closer to eugenics, Hitler is dead but his ideas are still working all over the world.
Remeber if you allowed this to happened next they will decide to kill the ugly people,fat people,stupid people,etc. they will find any excuse to get rid off every person.
So becarefull with these types of laws.

Just sounds wrong. Voluntary is going to lead to involuntary and soon the gov is going to want to pick out who can have kids. This is how this crap snowballs.

Well, at least a voluntary sterilization program is progress in contrast to the forced sterilizations in the United States before World War II. Still, I must question the slap-in-the-face payoff of $1000. It seems quite an arbitrary number, first, because the power to create another human being from incredibly tiny bits of tissue is priceless and, two, it smacks of taking advantage of those to whom $1000 will seem like winning the lottery. This program is opportunistic seemingly with little to no genuine empathy or compassion for those it will target. Whether these individuals are aware of cheap buy-off or not, it is incredibly unworthy of a public servant to take such advantages, let alone the entire government if so sponsored and adopted.

The least predatory approach to this problem is continuing birth control education. It may not be the most economic or efficient, however, given the choice of a program which is purely economical or one which is compassionate and respectful of the life of a human being, I choose the latter. Of course, that belief will not be popular among the small government crowd and those with very small hearts.

I'm quite certain, we are rapidly approaching the time in human population growth worldwide when even the very rich will be asked to do the same as the poor are threatened with now. In light of a population crisis, irresponsible reproduction is what it is, regardless of economic class.

Consistenly ask human beings to behave responsibly and, I have great confidence, they will do so. Disrespectful savagery will not serve your purposes well. History proves that out quite nicely.

wow 1,000 $ what is his def of poor? and read the last line more tax breaks for the well off.

Sterilize the rich. They're more of a burden on the taxpayer than the poor.

Despite being more than a little creepy, the processes proposed are both reversible. This seems like a good opportunity to assist those who are financially unstable in waiting to have kids until they can afford it. And to be honest there are thousands of people out there having and adopting children for the cash.

this even sounds wrong!

Why are all the Catholics? This is ruining God's plan.

THIS IS PERFECT!
i love the idea i hope they go through with it.
really i do.
with all the love of my little heart i hope they so much as get this idea rolling.
because it means their one step closer to causing something REALLY ugly in America.

and thats one step closer to a great deal of change in this counrty,
these are the only steps Americans know

What if middle class stops having kids? After the baby boom families started dropping in size.

This is very tricky.
At least with men they can reverse the procedure.

you know what i'm tired of paying for? Corporate welfare. So no abortions but, sterilization for the poor WOMEN...not men of course. meh! Did this guy get a BS in nazi eugenics or something?

Sorry for the cursing, but this is the most fucked up proposal I have ever heard. As if Money has any effect on DNA. Poor people have been known to produce geniuses. This is utter nonsense.

GREAT idea, too many pathetic humans around polluting and eating everything. Less babies please!

is anyone shocked that this guy is a republican?

I'm guessing that he doesn't have much sympathy for the poor families in Africa.

I assume you are being sarcastic skatherine? I sure hope so.

I think Mr. LaBruzzo's idea is brilliant. I'm tired of Uncle Sam taking my beer money and giving it to starving babies-- so eliminate the starving babies altogether & lets get drunk!

Well, seems that John LaBruzzo is aiming to be the modern Margaret Sanger. And we know what that means -- eugenics.

Go for it! I feel that people should actually have to register to become parents.

"No other one thing tends so strongly to bind and hold the early affection of a married couple as the bringing into the world of beautiful, healthy, intelligent, welcome children. To bring into the world unwelcome children is one of the most awful crimes of which the parents can be guilty. It brings a curse to the child, to the parents and to the world."
pg 19 of the booklet in Pearl Jam's Vitalogy.

I'm sorry to say that Metairie is a small (mostly conservative) city right outside of my home town of New Orleans, Louisiana. If you think this story is bad, this is the same city that decided to arm its police department with AK-47's "to be on the same level with the criminal element". Forget of course all the collateral damage these type of weapons cause.

Fuck it! Sterilize them, I see way too many women having kids they know they can't support. Makes me sick all the irresponsible people out there, especially the Hispanics around here living in a tiny apartment with five kids who are barely nine months apart and you know the father isn't making shit so they've gotta be collecting medicare and welfare and food stamps and all that other government handout shit.... way too common of a scenario... then the kids get a crappy life and join gangs cause it pays better and gives them purpose.... STERILIZE THEM!!! I don't care if it's voluntary or not! Sounds like a good idea to me! (I know I'm gonna get shit for this, but it's the truth!)

I was like WTF!? This is bad and then I saw what the ALCU said and I changed my mind,

I have a rule of thumb: If the ACLU doesn't like it, I love it!