News and Politics | October 04, 2008 | 64 comments

Police express "disgust" at crowd encouraging Shaun Dykes to jump

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Trained police negotiators were trying to talk 17-year-old Shaun Dykes into coming down from the side of a multi storey car park in Kilburn, the scene soon attracted a crowd who began to watch and even film the event.

Mike Creedon, Derbyshire's Police Constable, expressed his anger at members of the crowd who encouraged Shaun to jump.

"It disgusts me to think of their motivation and their lack of compassion towards a fellow human being obviously in distress"

The police spent three hours negotiating with Shaun before it ended in tragedy as he fell to his death. The people who encouraged Shaun to jump were not arrested.
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  • WorldPeaceTV
  • petarro
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      petarro  
    • OF COURSE WE HAVE TO BLAME THE POLICE!!! AFTER 3 HOURS THEY COULD NOT CLOSE THE AREA!!!

      POLICE ARE HERE TO PROTECT OTHERS AGAINST IDIOTS AND CRIMINALS. BOTH COMMIT THE SAME CRIMES!

      A half million bail and some 10 years on Prison and full media coverage will teach some people.

    • 4 years ago
  • keeter
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      keeter  
    • 3 hours of negotiating and they didnt have a safety net in place???

      sounds like the system failed him as well

      darwin didnt though

    • 4 years ago
  • CrisLDean
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • kidzulu,

      Do you have a heart...sounds like you don't.
      This kid was having a difficult time and the crowd didn't care.

      You don't either.

      I sincerely hope, that when you have a difficult time in life and you will that there are people around who are more compassionate than you are.

    • 4 years ago
  • red3636
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      red3636  
    • its really sad that anyone will even have a hint to say that he should jump. this shows that sum people dont respect life like they should.

    • 4 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • I guess this some what proves how desensatised we truly are. Whats coming around the corner, the next great depression will change us that survive forever and all I can say is I hope it's for the better.

    • 4 years ago
  • SDLN
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      SDLN  
    • I was at a multi-kegger back in college (in like '93) that got WAY out of hand and something similar to this happened, but with a much different ending.

      Some depressed drunk dude climbed a water tower wanting to kill himself, but no one noticed until the police, fire, everyone showed up. Then close to 1,000 people, my drunken self included, started chanting "Jump Motherfucker, Jump Motherfucker Jump", to the tune of "Jump" by The Movement (it was a popular club song at the time). Some people even started dancing while the chanting was going on.

      Turns out, the climb to the top of the water tower completely exhausted the suicidal drunk guy, so he decided to lay down and rest a minute before killing himself. He was so drunk, though, that he passed out.
      lol Good times.

    • 4 years ago
  • satanskidney
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      satanskidney  
    • wheres the roman colloseum to entertain these buffoons? are we still that barbaric? i doubt they would have yelled jump if it were their brother, their friend, their neighbor. but the fact is that he was all of those to someone else. its not right to encourage someone to do something like that... would they have yelled for him to shoot if he had a gun at someone else's head? I hope not. I don't think the crowd should have to go to jail but they should definitely think about getting some psychotherapy/ sensativity training.

    • 4 years ago
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  
    • This is unbelievable, people have actually become so unhuman that they would do such a thing, I find it incredible these people should be the ones to be jumping off the buildings. The world is in sad shape when it comes to something as shocking and unhuman goes unpunished, if there is now law to cover this there sure ought to be.

    • 4 years ago
  • lifestudentno83
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      lifestudentno83  
    • Are you telling me that within that small crowd there was no one willing to become the voice of reason? No one to tell them what they were doing was wrong? Are we so de-sensitized that a distraught young man who is attempting to commit suicide earn "Jump" chants instead compassion and concern?

      Once again, I am ashamed to be a part of the human race. Every one of those insensitive bastards should be in jail right now.

    • 4 years ago
  • unphiltered
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      unphiltered  
    • Like I said in the other article about it.... what do you expect from people these days? If he wants to be selfish and kill himself in front of people then, I'm sure many cold hearted people will tell him to jump. Sad but reality....

      The problem is that everyone who thinks that they should chastise the people there are just falling into the media's plan. Reality is that the POLICE did NOT do their job. As someone else stated- THEY HAD 3 HOURS. In that time block off the street and put in a pad, net, trampoline, float, hell even a sheet. Ample time to do so, ample time to try and talk down. They did neither, so use the media to make the public seem at blame. Draw the emotion factor instead of the logic factor and pit the people against the people, not people against the law enforcement at fault. Its politics.

      And to the guy who is using suicide as scientifically proven, chemical problem as a reason, well then continue to use science to the next step and realize that if science is changing chemicals to kill off population its called evolution. The strong survive for a species to flourish. Its probably sounds cold, but thats also using science in a realistic view.

    • 4 years ago
  • realfran
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      realfran  
    • OMG i cant believe that were most people would be shocked and horrified, these people chose to be dumb pricks who see a human tragedy as an entertaining show.

    • 4 years ago
  • kidzulu
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      kidzulu  
    • if i was there i probably would have jeered as well. suicide is stupid and selfish, especially if your gonna be a narcissist and cause a big scene

    • 4 years ago
  • Humdrum
  • Jeffnfun631
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      Jeffnfun631  
    • Reason #1 fed up with the world Reason #2 fed up with the world.. Butttttt dont think he did it because he was egged on by some thrill seeker losers..He just felt it was time.. Wrong move though I believe. It should be up to god when its your time to go

    • 4 years ago
  • lulu81
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      lulu81  
    • are pple living in the land of video games? if you die you got 5 lives left so no biggie ...the reality of this is so tragic..this person is gone now..cant get his life back...no one realized that as they were shouting...my god!

    • 4 years ago
  • stephenthomson
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • They should have been arrested. I understand that no one has any control over any one elses actions, but any decent human being should know when enough is enough. There comes a point when the "joke" crosses the line and the prankster becomes a criminal.

    • 4 years ago
  • jjmaster
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      jjmaster  
    • Perhaps the police should adopt a policy of blocking off the streets in this type of situation and keep the onlookers at bay... This is so sadly ugly.

    • 4 years ago
  • TulipBaroo
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      TulipBaroo  
    • My friend jumped from the sixth floor at the mall last month. Pictures were posted on Myspace, people joked about it, I'd lost all my faith in humanity and was just beginning to regain it and then this happens.

      My friend's death hasn't stopped hurting, and the publicity of it just makes it ten times worse. The same thing happened, cops spent 45 minutes trying to convince him to save himself. People watched him standing on the ledge, and didn't do anything to stop him. I blamed the cops and I blamed the mall, he wasn't the first person to jump there and they should have had some sort of safety net up by that time. I've learned that there can't always be somebody there to play hero.

      My heart goes out to his family and friends. I have been where they are and wouldn't wish this kind of depression on anyone else.

    • 4 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • TulipBaroo:

      You have my sympathy.

      My own brother, who suffered from a sever mental illness, took his own life on 9/11 a few years before 2001.

      It's really hard to battle the entire society to get help for those who refuse it.

      Yes, there will be a retribution...God's if those folks don't repent and turn to God's mercy.

    • 4 years ago
  • intelligenceisacurse
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      intelligenceisacurse  
    • I blame the cops.

      why?

      easy.

      he was up there for THREE HOURS during negotiation.

      MORE than enough time to get either a trampoline,
      or a stunt landing platform or ever god-damned cardboard
      boxes setup so even if he did jump, he would not
      die. they did nothing to save him, they were so confused
      and distracted by the crowd that they failed at their job.

    • 4 years ago
  • Found_Avenue
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      Found_Avenue  
    • What a vulnerable, suggestive state that guy must have been in to be so pro-actively suicidal. And to hear those horrible taunts.... they literally pushed him over the edge. How will those people sleep at night? How will they live with themselves?

    • 4 years ago
  • stephenthomson
  • uppityprogressive
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      uppityprogressive  
    • Thank you petarro. There should be accountability.

      Suicide is caused by mental illness which has been identified by our international scientists as a biological and chemical brain disorder that causes depression. It is sometimes successfully treated with medication, but not always.

      The biology was proven over 25 years ago. The fact that people still remain tragically ignorant of this indicates how we have squandered the gift of scientific investigation in our world. We have also squandered the gift of free public education.

      We squander that by allowing partisan interests to eliminate science based learning because of religious ideology, resulting in blind ignorance of human and planetary biological functions and connections. This is why it took until now for most people to understand the reality of global climate crisis. It is also why we are able to go through life without compassion for others when they suffer from something like depression.

      There are some researchers who have come to believe that depression can cause such strong impulses to end your life that your free will loses the ability to resist. In other words it may be that some who commit suicide actually do so against their own will.

      I hope there is reincarnation, and that the people who jeer at the agony of others will one day experience the despair for themselves. Or better yet, may they be the spouse of one who looses the battle.

      But then, the small minded ones with hearts of stone may just be incapable of compassion, and that alone is their curse.

      In terms of creating a civilized world for our children to grow in, we must demand accountability for such cruelty. Those who jeered at the pain of another should be made to serve others until they develop some compassion, or at least be punished by having their nature exposed to their community. Maybe that way, at least they would not be likely to breed.

    • 4 years ago
  • ScreamingDinosaur
  • lapedro
  • kellysontheroad
  • Chibichan10
  • petarro
  • GreenTransman
  • BloxParty
  • CreeOss
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      CreeOss  
    • Are we so desensitized and starved for reality entertainment that we are now happy enough to sit there and encourage our fellows to jump to their doom, just so we can get an extra few hits on youtube?

    • 4 years ago
  • Bovey
  • ianakaeeen
  • ghostin
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      ghostin  
    • It's sad what happened seriously one has to look at what drove this person to this point. Lack of family support? Lost a loved one? Thats the real tragedy that his close friends and family didn't find a better way to save from this destiny.

    • 4 years ago
  • blue_blooded
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      blue_blooded  
    • Oh my god. first i thought the story about the old man who got ran over, and laid there as bystanders did nothing was the worst i'd ever hear. Then it was the story about the guy on the bus who brutally beat another guy as bystanders did nothing. that seemed worse. But this defiantly take the cake! how could people CHEER for this man to jump, and take his life! what is this society coming to?!
      If i were there, i would be the one getting arrested. i'd lose it!!

    • 4 years ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • pressrecord
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      pressrecord  
    • why should the jeering crowd be arrested? is there an english law against that?

      i personally believe that people who commit public suicide are out to do harm to others and deserve no pity even if they're english.

    • 4 years ago
  • PoliticalGeek
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      PoliticalGeek  
    • pressrecord:

      There is a law in America about "aiding and abetting" a crime. Suicide is a crime. (Whether or not it should be is a WHOLE different discussion.)

      Another law in America and many other countries is "inciting violence". They violated this one, too.

      Should they do jail time? Perhaps not. Perhaps community service is a much better idea to gain some empathy.

    • 4 years ago
  • BloxParty
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      BloxParty  
    • pressrecord:

      "i personally believe that people who commit public suicide are out to do harm to others"

      Right, okay. You've made a key mistake here. Suicidal people actually want to kill 'themselves' not 'other people'.

      The key difference people 'yourself' and 'someone else' is that you are one person, but not all of the others.

      Basically what this means is in the world there is 'you' (which I'm sure you're aware of) but there is also (and here's the hard part) 'other people' who you should try to show respect and consideration to.

      With me so far? Or am I just talking in some crazy 'English'?

    • 4 years ago
  • samanthadian
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      samanthadian  
    • pressrecord:

      People who consider suicide are not out to harm others and most certainly do deserve pity. They deserve pity because they can't see the love that is directed at them and they don't know where to turn to for help. Especially at 17, this young man was a confused boy who may have had any number of issues at home and issues with his emotional stability.

      People who consider suicide are not thinking of the harm they are causing other people, they are only thinking of how painful life is and how killing yourself is really the only way to get away from it. No one understands them, no one loves them and no on will miss them. Once they've convinced themselves of those things, it's a very deep emotional pit to pull yourself out of and requires a lot of reaching out from the people who say they do care about you.

      Just the fact he was up on that roof proves he was at this point. Imagine if that crowd had started telling the kid of all the times they felt that was the only solution to their problems and instead of yelling at him to jump they said DON'T do it! Life sucks at 17 and there's so much more to life than what it is now.

    • 4 years ago
  • DrownedFlyingWhales
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      DrownedFlyingWhales  
    • pressrecord:

      a lot of suicides are done in such a way that the person can be "saved at the last minute." perhaps public suicides are examples of the mentally ill asking for help from society rather than attempting to damage it. unfortunately that didnt happen.

    • 4 years ago
  • pressrecord
    • 0
      pressrecord  
    • pressrecord:

      suicide (auto-euthanasia) can be very beautiful when done in peace (perhaps just loved ones) or profoundly heroic when done to save others but to kill yourself in front of everyone for whatever reason (especially heartbreak!) is very wanky.

      as for the crowd, they're all wanky too but how could you arrest someone for wanting someone else dead with out actually killing them? can you prosecute someone for convincing someone else to do something as stupid as to kill themselves? "judge! i told him to jump...then he did! how was i suppose to know?" i think judas priest was once sued by an american family blaming their lyrics for killing their son. judas priest won the case, of course. the parents forgot it was their fault.

      in plain engrish, the whole thing's a bit wanky , innit? i think the whole thing sucks because i can identify with the guy. life can be very very difficult and we sometimes need encouragement. unfortunately for him, it came at the wrong time, wrong place, and in front of the wrong people.

    • 4 years ago
  • Moopak
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      Moopak  
    • This is tragic. Think about this young man and what may have driven him to this point in the first place.

      How could a human see this and encourage him to commit suicide, yelling "jump"? I wonder if they can live with themselves now. Such a disgusting, evil and selfish thing to do.

      Condolences to his family and friends.

    • 4 years ago
  • jonny2times
  • donkeyfly69
  • tanyetta
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      tanyetta  
    • It is like the angel on your right shoulder and the devil on the left. The angel is telling you not to do it but the devil is telling you to go ahead. So it seems that the devil on the left shoulder won this one. Jump or don't jump? That is the question.

    • 4 years ago
  • PoliticalGeek
  • tanyetta
  • PoliticalGeek
  • pissedoffinarkansas
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      pissedoffinarkansas  
    • tanyetta:

      At the risk of sounding totally heartless( I'm really a pretty compassionate guy), if the kid WAS mentally unstable and thought jumping to his death was the only way out, then he should be allowed to do so because even if he were given "help" he was never going to be truly "normal" and "happy" again. He would be taught to live with his "demons" but never really exorcise them and therefore would always be mentally "unstable".

    • 4 years ago
  • vixen0078
    • 0
      vixen0078  
    • tanyetta:

      "because even if he were given "help" he was never going to be truly "normal" and "happy" again. He would be taught to live with his "demons" but never really exorcise them and therefore would always be mentally "unstable". "

      That is absolutely untrue and an ugly generalization. People come out from under the fog of depression and learn to live happy, productive lives. One desperate act does not condenm someone to a miserable, unstable life.

    • 4 years ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
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      pissedoffinarkansas  
    • tanyetta:

      vixxen07, I think you should talk to a psychiatrist and ask them if someone ever truly comes out from the "fog" of depression. This is similar to being a recovering addict. If your dysfunction is severe enough to grow into thoughts of suicide and the need for therapy you never really recover to the point of normalcy.

    • 4 years ago
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • tanyetta:

      I have talked to psychiatrists. Quiet a few of them.
      And you should know, seeing how you seem like an intelligent person, that some people can be overtaken by their struggle with depression but not all are. There are people who are able to move on and become productive, normal (if there is such a thing) people. That statement leads me back to my point about your above statement being a generalization. It's simply not true.

    • 4 years ago
  • liveBK
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      liveBK  
    • tanyetta:

      As someone who has come out of extreme depression (not suicidal) and who has friends who have been at the point of suicide, and all of whom are now living happy productive lives, I adamantly disagree with you pissedoffinarkansas. I also absolutely believe there is no such thing as "normal" life. Conforming to some ideal of what life should be? sounds unhappy to me.

    • 4 years ago
  • PoliticalGeek
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      PoliticalGeek  
    • Who exactly is the "dumbass" here? The clearly depressed and mentally unstable suicide risk? Or the people in the crowd who encouraged him to jump?

      I would argue that the crowd was more mentally unstable and dangerous than the boy. And the dumbasses are the police who didn't arrest them.

    • 4 years ago
  • tanyetta
  • PoliticalGeek
  • argyle_kitten
  • mikesupertramp
  • JohnA
  • mischabarrett
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      mischabarrett  
    • This is such a sad story. I heard somebody on the radio comparing it to a modern day public hanging.

      I've seen kids filming car crashes before, but this just takes the biscuit.

    • 4 years ago
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