"Joe the plumber" likely wouldn't be affected by Obama's tax plan - msnbc.com
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Joe the plumber — Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, 34, of suburban Toledo, Ohio — is the first to say that he’s not the story and that no one should listen to him when it comes to tax policy.
“I just hope I’m not making too much of a fool of myself and can get some type of message out there as far as, you know, really watch actions and learn for yourself,” Wurzelbacher said Thursday outside his home. “Don’t take other people’s opinions.”
Wurzelbacher first came to attention over the weekend, when he engaged Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, in a six-minute discussion of tax policy at a rally in Holland, Ohio. He told Obama that he was a plumber and was hoping to buy his boss’s business, which he said made $250,000 to $280,000 a year. He was concerned, he said, that Obama’s economic proposals would mean he’d be kicked into a higher tax bracket.
Wednesday night, McCain adopted Wurzelbacher as the representative of struggling middle-class Americans, addressing many of his comments directly to “Joe the plumber,” whom he misidentified as “Joe Wurzelburger.”
“The real winner last night was Joe the plumber. Joe’s the man,” McCain said Thursday at a campaign rally in Downington, Pa. “He won, and small businesses won across America. They won because Americans are not going to let Senator Obama raise taxes in a tough economy.”
Legally speaking, Wurzelbacher isn’t a plumber, because he isn’t licensed by Toledo, Lucas County or the state of Ohio. A representative of the Toledo Building Inspection Division said a plumber must be registered with the state and only then can apply for a city plumbing contractor’s license.
Wurzelbacher said he worked under the license held by his boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo. Newell is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show. But anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license, officials said.
Building Inspection officials said Newell was responsible for making sure that anyone working under him was licensed. The Toledo Plumbing Board of Control may consider sanctions against Wurzelbacher or Newell, officials told NBC affiliate WNWO of Toledo.
“There’s a lot I’ve got to learn” about the plumbing business, Wurzelbacher said Thursday.
Wurzelbacher also acknowledged that he had no specific plans for buying Newell’s business, saying he and Newell had simply talked about the idea from time to time. He might have difficulty making the purchase: Court records from his divorce show that Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006.
Even if he did buy Newell Plumbing and Heating, Obama’s tax plan wouldn’t affect him. While Wurzelbacher told Obama that he would be taxed at a higher rate because the company grossed more than $250,000 a year, Ohio business records show the company’s estimated total annual revenue as only $100,000. Actual taxable income would be even less than that.
In any event, Obama’s tax plan specifies that the higher rate would apply only to income above the $250,000 threshold. Assuming Wurzelbacher’s income as owner somehow hit $280,000 — the top end of his supposition of the company’s revenue — only the extra $30,000 would be taxed at a higher rate.
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jawnybnsc
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Does anybody believe that the most liberal member of the senate is really going to hold the line on spending and taxes?
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jawnybnsc
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Johnny_Danger
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jawnybnsc:
I don't.
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Johnny_Danger
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edbr
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jawnybnsc:
why, because he shifted more to the left than any others?
why's that so bad?
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edbr
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jawnybnsc
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What happens when the Bush Tax Cuts expire?
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jawnybnsc
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edbr
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jawnybnsc:
perhaps the economy will improve a slight bit ...
???
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edbr
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XlntJoyce
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Close to 100% of small businesses are who created new jobs and 70% of the small businesses employed 10 or more people make over $250,000 which the increases in Obama's taxes will stifle that growth besides keeping the other 30% from hiring too. And we want more jobs... not w/ Obama...
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XlntJoyce
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edbr
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XlntJoyce:
"70% of the small businesses employed 10 or more people make over $250,000"
i think you're hugely mistaken. cite some facts.
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edbr
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XlntJoyce
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XlntJoyce:
Those are facts ....
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XlntJoyce
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jawnybnsc
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Everybody understands what marginal tax rates are. You're not fooling anybody with that line. Higher marginal rates are a disincentive.
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jawnybnsc
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jeromecon
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he will if he opens his own business
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jeromecon
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khaosworks
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jeromecon:
Read the last two paragraphs... then the rest of the article - and then compare the two candidate's tax proposals. One such comparison (easily googled) is at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.ht... - there are others,
Then figure out how much Joe would earn, and how might actually need to pay, and then determine for yourself if that amount would be so unreasonable to pay as taxes.
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khaosworks
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edbr
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jeromecon:
only if the business's gross INCOME exceeds $250k.
don't be like mccain and repeat incorrect assertions over and over.
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edbr
