Lawsuits against Proposition 8

JESUS WAS GAY!
God does discriminate against gays, Man does. If you look at the first bible, there was no discrination in the King James version. The word Homosexual was first put in the Bible in 1869- this is way before anyone who is currently living now. They discriminated against Jesus because he was GAy. His lover was Thomas, one of his disciples. The world didn't tell you why the crucified him on the cross(early discimination), because they didn't believe the son of God could be Gay. That is why they took the Gospel of Thomas out of the Bible. In the "Last Supper" the disciple laying on his bossom, was Thomas, as it says in the Bible, His Lover, the one Jesus loved. The Gospel of Thomas revealed the andrynous behavior of Jesus, and How God gave these qualities to all. Go to any bookstore, and look up the "Missing Gospel of Thomas." This was taken out of the Bible as a sort of Butterfly affect, to keep people from know what the end would look like. God says in the Bible, you know when God is coming back...when you see the rainbow. Guess what, it's not a coincidence that gays and lesbians represent the rainbow.

JESUS WAS GAY!
God does discriminate against gays, Man does. If you look at the first bible, there was no discrination in the King James version. The word Homosexual was first put in the Bible in 1869- this is way before anyone who is currently living now. They discriminated against Jesus because he was GAy. His lover was Thomas, one of his disciples. The world didn't tell you why the crucified him on the cross(early discimination), because they didn't believe the son of God could be Gay. That is why they took the Gospel of Thomas out of the Bible. In the "Last Supper" the disciple laying on his bossom, was Thomas, as it says in the Bible, His Lover, the one Jesus loved. The Gospel of Thomas revealed the andrynous behavior of Jesus, and How God gave these qualities to all. Go to any bookstore, and look up the "Missing Gospel of Thomas." This was taken out of the Bible as a sort of Butterfly affect, to keep people from know what the end would look like. God says in the Bible, you know when God is coming back...when you see the rainbow. Guess what, it's not a coincidence that gays and lesbians represent the rainbow.

JESUS WAS GAY!
God does discriminate against gays, Man does. If you look at the first bible, there was no discrination in the King James version. The word Homosexual was first put in the Bible in 1869- this is way before anyone who is currently living now. They discriminated against Jesus because he was GAy. His lover was Thomas, one of his disciples. The world didn't tell you why the crucified him on the cross(early discimination), because they didn't believe the son of God could be Gay. That is why they took the Gospel of Thomas out of the Bible. In the "Last Supper" the disciple laying on his bossom, was Thomas, as it says in the Bible, His Lover, the one Jesus loved. The Gospel of Thomas revealed the andrynous behavior of Jesus, and How God gave these qualities to all. Go to any bookstore, and look up the "Missing Gospel of Thomas." This was taken out of the Bible as a sort of Butterfly affect, to keep people from know what the end would look like. God says in the Bible, you know when God is coming back...when you see the rainbow. Guess what, it's not a coincidence that gays and lesbians represent the rainbow.

JESUS WAS GAY!
God does discriminate against gays, Man does. If you look at the first bible, there was no discrination in the King James version. The word Homosexual was first put in the Bible in 1869- this is way before anyone who is currently living now. They discriminated against Jesus because he was GAy. His lover was Thomas, one of his disciples. The world didn't tell you why the crucified him on the cross(early discimination), because they didn't believe the son of God could be Gay. That is why they took the Gospel of Thomas out of the Bible. In the "Last Supper" the disciple laying on his bossom, was Thomas, as it says in the Bible, His Lover, the one Jesus loved. The Gospel of Thomas revealed the andrynous behavior of Jesus, and How God gave these qualities to all. Go to any bookstore, and look up the "Missing Gospel of Thomas." This was taken out of the Bible as a sort of Butterfly affect, to keep people from know what the end would look like. God says in the Bible, you know when God is coming back...when you see the rainbow. Guess what, it's not a coincidence that gays and lesbians represent the rainbow.

That's a pretty simplistic view, damnneargenius. It would be more accurate to posit that you went into to get your driver's license renewed and they said, "Sorry, you're gay (or Latino or Black or whatever). The voters decided last week to not allow you people to drive."

That's called discrimination because rights are given to some, but not to others based on their color, race, creed or sexual orientation.

It's not only about the right to marry, it's about the equality of all rights. When one group is denied the rights given to others -- no matter how many think it is right and legal -- it ultimately violates the Constitution of the US, as well as that of California; so, while it may have passed the popular vote test to become law, it still must be validated by the Courts.

And that is what's beginning now. People are challenging the proposition to ascertain its constitutional validity. See: the Democratic process laid down by our forefathers lives!

It's just wrong and unfair.
Times are changing.
There may be things to fear in the world
But gay marriage and equality is NOT one of them!

Well, good, if the gays win they will have successfully proven you can completely undermine the basic function of the operation of our free democracy, so any other anything that gets passed ever can be subversively contested on pure self-interest alone.

While we're at it, I'm going to sue because I didn't get my way! I campaigned for the government to just hand me millions of unmarked bills in a suitcase...AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT!

WTF!

This isn't fair, I've been discriminated against!

They did it because of hate!

Oh sure, maybe a majority of other citizens didn't want that, but who cares what they think! It's not the feelings of more people that are important than mine.

Yada, yada, yada.

Anywho, sorry for the rant, but please let it go and try to find a different way of structuring your case. Perhaps just create a petition to rename Civil Unions "gay marriage" or something. Is that so hard? To graciously accept defeat when things don't go your way?

this KILLS me. in 2008, we still have second class citizens - homosexuals, immigrants, etc. it makes me really sad that somehow the constitutional guarantees of inalienable rights do not include the freedom to love... i wonder if legal framework will ever identify sexuality as an immutable characteristic?

I was not surprised that proposition eight passed.
But I know, for a fact; that I will NEVER stop trying.

It is more than a marriage issue, it is an equality issue.

GREAT! This one blew my mind. With a girlfriend in LA I became pretty irked at this thing and pretty ugly over the yard signage and bumper stickers. The commercials were disgusting: ridiculous suggestions that KIDS were gonna be taught about gays in Kindergarten (not even kidding) as if they were adopting it as carriculum. I was there for Day of the Dead and the hispanic crowd had kids walking around canvassing for the cause (4-9 years old). It's just plain silly; moreover, a human rights violation.

I REALLY THINK THIS ONE PASSED BC OF THE LACK OF COUNTER-MARKETING. You saw and heard about PROP 8 everywhere. The commercials ... EVERYWHERE. But the community and the state at large really missed the cues here. I read that it may be one of the BIGGEST FUNDED PROPS in US history, if that says something.

I'm glad about this! I am no second rate citizen, and I know that I will fight long and hard for my rights as a human being. This is my home; it's not alright to be quieted by the government! Separate but equal has never and will never work. I know this is far from over. Very, very far.

I really believe people are losing sight of this arguement. No one is arguing against civil unions or legal contracts or rights. But, to use an anology from a Lenny Bruce bit, you are trying to meld the federal law with the religious law, and they should be kept seperate. Let the evangelicals have their "marriage", as long as you have the same rights, call it whatever you want, who cares. Even if you get the language "marriage" approved in the federal law, the religious law will still never accept it.

Sigh, marriage should be a religious problem; however, it is not because our government offers tax benefits and such for married couples.

If you want to solve the issue, remove marriage and it's benefits from the government. Make marriage purely a religious issue once again, and if couples want to get tax benefits for being a couple, then hetero or homosexual, they need to get a civil union. This way, people need to get a civil union in order to recieve any legal government benefits, and marriage is back to a religious ceremony in which the government cannot interfere and churches can battle amongst themselves about gay marriage.

We must not let this ridiculous, reckless initiative pass. it is frightening to think that democracy can be manipulated in such away that it violates people's civil and human rights.

I thought in U.S constitution we were all equal? Silly people who voted yes.

Coming from someone who hails from the buckle of the Bible Belt (and is herself an unabashed lesbian in a long-term relationship): It is sad that this passed, yes. But, moreover, I think there are bigger issues that need addressing in this country.

I am not scathing those who are rallying for this cause, not at all. I hold every last one of them in the highest esteem. I truly do.

I'd just like to add for the sake of historical insight that it wasn't until 2000 that Alabama repealed the state's century-old ban against interracial marriage and justly ratified its constitution. Even though the Supreme Court had ruled such bans illegal and, therefore, unenforceable sometime in the 70s, Alabama was still the last state to effectively eradicate the prejudicial ban from its books.

source: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/07/alabama.interracial/

How would you feel if you were married and someone tried to take it away from you?

People have forgotten the purpose of the government is to uphold the views of the majority WHILE protecting the rights of the minority. This is an obvious case of the minority needing protection from the oppressive religious majority. One of my friends wrote a statement about this better than I ever could...

"The courts are there to intervene and not let the marjoirty rule trump things like the equal protection clause of the constitution, etc. It's like desegregation of schools, the majority might have voted against it, but it is the court's job to protect minorities from oppression, discrimination, and from being treated differently under the law (thus violating the EP clause)."

If you feel strongly about this issue, please sign the petition!
http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

is marriage even concidered a "sacred" thing anymore? as far as i know marriage stopped being just a church ritual a long time ago what with the government stepping in and all. perhaps god didnt want homosexuals to get married, but im pretty sure he didnt want straight couples getting divorced after only a few months either.

the divorce rate is so high that i dont see how anyone can justify that marriage should just be limited to a man and a woman. homosexuals should have just as much a right to marriage and the priveledges that come with it as anyone else.

the problem i think a lot of people have with it is calling it marriage.

marriage is a religiously ordained covenant between a man, a woman and their god.

but this covenant has been cheapened and redefined by our modern society, mainly because of heterosexual people.

it became a legal thing, and i'm not sure if it was the church or the state that crossed that line first.

but what they are trying to do is take a religious institution and make it their own, which i don't think makes any sense, especially when those same religions call homosexuality an abomination against their god.

if it's about getting the rights that married people have, then i don't see the problem with settling on a civil union that allows for all those same rights.

but it's kind of selfish to swipe a religious-based institution and call it your own when it was never designed to incorporate you.

OK, come on, this is supposed to be a democracy. It is a democracy isn't it? I personally could care less if gays marry, why should straight people be the only ones to suffer, in my opinion. But it's been voted down by a majority of the people of California twice now. Are we a democracy or not?

I've come to realize that here in Arizona it'll be about 100 times harder to appeal it. We're full of old grumpy men & women who hate seeing same sex couples together. I'm lucky enough that my family & friends support me, but if where I live wont allow this or even my country? Then it's time for me to pack up my bags & head out.

My favorite quote I heard from a yes on 102 advocate was, "What's next? Bestiality?"

re-writing the constitution would be complete B.S., and they're right: chickens have more rights than people do in california now. WTF is up with that?!

hells yeah! they already have 1/2 of the population judging them for their sexual orientation.
i dont think they need the goverment to get on their case too.

No worries, homophobes, those pesky queers will just keep breeding until there are enough of them to pass this sort of legislation!

The problem with Prop 8 is that it's poorly written. I guess it just states that marriage is only between a man and a woman. What it needs to say is that same-sex couples will be granted the same rights as heterosexual couples from the government's point of view.

And I think that the lawsuits might get something done, since it only passed with 52%. Everyone is still pretty split on the issue. A lot of people made up their mind about Prop 8 long before Tuesday, so it might take some time to change those attitudes.

i hope they get to stay married.. its not fair for all those ppl that got married.

:(

There are some terrific posts here that point out just how wrong and absurd the passage of Proposition 8 was. Let's hope that a court, either the Supreme Court of California or a federal court, takes this matter up again quickly and declares this amendment unconsitutional and thus null and void.

I am morally opposed to divorce (as was the Church at one point) - should we write it into the CA constitution that no one is allowed to get a divorce?

Ok. So... Why are they trying to make sure that people are not engaging in a relationship with the same sex in the first place? Since when was it their business? And another thing, why is anyone trying to diminish the little love that still remains in our world today? I hope everything goes well in the lawsuit.

The fact of the matter is, all you "the people have spoken!" whiners, is that the people's decision was blatantly illegal and unConstitutional. It has no legal basis and violates the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

And it passed by an extremely narrow margin, anyways. Remember what happened last time a decision was made on a narrow margin? That's right, Dubya.

Even a democracy, which sadly this country is not (do any of you people even know how your govrenment works?), there is a Constitution and a legal basis of laws. No matter what, the majority is restricted from taking the rights of others because of the Constitution.

I wonder how un-American some of you are, to so blatantly toss aside our founding documents, and declare majority law.

Equality is neither selective nor privilege

it always saddens me when I read people who say things like "why do gays wanna get married anyway" or
"it's not that I don't like them or I hate gay people but..."

I try not to feel like a second class citizen.
I try not to be incredibly frustrated when I hear a person of color speaking out against gays.

and if marriage was a drinking fountain, then
the supporters of 8 pretty much told our gay and lesbian friends that they couldn't drink from that same fountain...
if Marriage were a bathroom,then they cannot use the same bathroom....
If marriage were the front seat of a bus..then these people cannot sit on the front seat of the bus...
I see Prop 8 as a form of segregation and no matter what the linguistics are, that's injustice in our new society where a black man is president and a woman was the Republican VP Nominee...Its moving us back in time and dividing Americans and teaching our young that being gay is somehow unamerican

Well then, call1963, I wish all the best of luck in your swift death!

For Phadrus:Younger people don't usually have problems with this...Thats because younger people have been brainwashed by the public schools to let others do the thinking for them. They've been taught to accept differences in people, no matter how immoral they are. They've been brainwashed in our public schools to accept ever vial habit without passing judgment on whats right & wrong. And if you think i want my tax dollars supporting homosexuals & lesbians, by allowing them Medicare, social security, or any other government benefit.. & you think Insurance companies who feel (rightly) that those life styles are a sin & shouldn't have to cover them, should be forced to cover them.. then you really live in a complete fantasy world, & its up to us (people who see this for what it is. Disgusting) to fight you every step of the way until we're all dead & buried.

Education, education of tolerance, and human interaction with minorities can help. So if you know a homophobe, for what ever the reason, educate them!

What about all 18,000+ gay couples that already got married?

being in florida i was blown away when i found out the amendment 2 was passed. i have many gay friends, even my sister is a lesbian. i personaly voted against the amendment. and i view the idea of marriage as an institution where two people who love eachother. why should the rules change for same sex couples. im all for ther rights of gay people . something needs to change.

We have constitutions to protect rights, not take them away. That is the difference between a constitutional democracy and mob rule.

Our government was not set up to protect the minority. It was set up to protect the individual. Judges are not bound to the people, they are bound to the Constitution. If we forget that, then we forget why our founders fought against tyranny.

Legislating morality has no place in American politics... just ask our founding fathers... the separation of church and state is a staple of the American way of life and our constitution.

Let them live with the same dignity, respect, rights and priviledges we all have.

Do the people who got married before the vote get to remain married or not?

Good, there should be. Consenting adults should be able to make their own choices. Afterall it is THEIR lives and if that is what makes THEM happy, who are we to judge!

JIff
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

I wouldn't want someone telling me my marriage isn't valid. I hope an amendment is voted on in the next election and that people will not give up on fighting this.

I have no desire to limit the rights of anyone wanting to enter into an intimate relationship within another human being of any sexual preference. I just can not support the government calling any union, other than man and woman, a marriage.

Let them get married if they want..Good grief..

I hope this Civil Rights issue gets resolved as soon as possible.