News and Politics | November 20, 2008 | 48 comments

Oh now automakers want to talk about Chevy Volt...

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With the enormous bailout money up in the air, corporations are doing their best "poor me" impersonations to get a piece of our money.

GM is hinting that if they don't get part of the bailout, they might have to cancel the future projects such as the Chevy Volt. Should the American people be intimidated because GM CEOs chose to go backwards instead of producing cars that America wants and needs?

Does anyone see this as disturbing or a threat? What do you think?
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48 comments // Oh now automakers want to talk about Chevy Volt...

  • sickinjersey
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      sickinjersey  
    • NO CHANGES =NO MONEY, FRESH IDEAS FRESH STARTS OR NO MONEY 00000000, I REMEMBER HOW SAD I WAS WHEN THEY ABANDONED THERE FIRST ELECTRIC CAR. IT LOOKED LIKE A WEDGE OF CHEESE.I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A NEW BEGINNING...

    • 3 years ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
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    • "General Motors directly employs approximately 96,000 people in the United States."

      That's not millions, the last time I checked. If we invested the bailout money into local businesses that are utilizing technology that we ALL want, and producing cars that are more likely to sell than the gas-guzzling SUVs that GM has decided to market, these 96,000 people who could be out of jobs just might find a sweet deal waiting for them in the companies that are booming because they are selling what people want, instead of what people are taking as a lesser evil.
      This whole argument is stupid - GM and the others have made a bad business model. If the company I work for has a bad business model and starts to see a slump in profits, will the Fed bail them out too? How about EVERYBODY gets in line so that every business stays on top? Jesus Christ folks, there is NO reason the auto industry should get ANYthing without actually trying to adjust to their changing market!! The sun will rise tomorrow, Armageddon will not rain down on us all, and the apocalypse will not start if GM goes under. Sure, 96,000 people could be out of work, but that's happened before and we've bounced back as a nation.

    • 3 years ago
  • meddelem
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      meddelem  
    • if it were my choice, i would give 25 billion to automobile conversion facilities ; where the current crop of combustion vehicles can be converted into electric producing vehicles.

    • 3 years ago
  • thorstein
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      thorstein  
    • This threat/promise is just stupid beyond stupid!

      Do you realize what their operating expenses are per month right now?! I don't believe anymore that 25 Billion or even 10 Billion more could keep them running long enough to see the production of many of these cars.

      And then turn around and try to sell these cars to make a profit? What MSRP would justify spending money on a fuel efficient car in this economy?

      Who do they expect will believe this pathetic wimper of a threat?!! How weak!!!! Frickin' Lame!!! aagh!!

    • 3 years ago
  • jrchel
  • ThatBastardBeej
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      ThatBastardBeej  
    • Complete and total bullshit. The only money any of the Big 3 should receive is that which has a guarantee of producing alternative fuel or hybrid cars. Period. No Volt? No money.

      Call Toyota and Honda, tell them we'd love to have them open new plants here. We have plenty of line workers, and maybe a few former CEO's that would mop some floors for minimum wage.

    • 3 years ago
  • satanskidney
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      satanskidney  
    • Yeah... listen to your consumers and emply some corporate social responsiblity for a change... invest in the volt and do away with your damn chevy ASSuvs. No bailout no problem.

    • 3 years ago
  • shelchak
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      shelchak  
    • I'd go farther than that -- the ONLY way they should see one red cent is if they totally overhaul their plants and produce either hybrids or electric cars. Period. Otherwise, sayonara baby.

      Everyone should rent 'Who Killed The Electric Car?'!!!!

    • 3 years ago
  • justright
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      justright  
    • Loan them them the money on the stipulation that all executive are fired without parachutes, raise the quality standards, and allow the workers to vote in new executive with capped and percentage based salaries.

    • 3 years ago
  • thedrugsdontwork
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      thedrugsdontwork  
    • ^^

      Just a friendly reminder that cars are responsible for about 1% of the damage done to earths ozone layer.

      Global warming was going to happen anyway. You can't stop a natural process by scapegoating the entire US auto industry because you don't like Hummer.

      No one asked for your opinion on how cars look, because you're probably driving a moped.

      You know nothing of the auto industry.

      You are the equivalent to feces on the sidewalk of the DMV in comparison to how much you THINK you know.

      Don't you people know who Al Gore is
      ...oh wait...

    • 3 years ago
  • MRprez
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      MRprez  
    • thedrugsdontwork:

      ok, friendly isn't exactly what that was but ok. my main point was not that the cars were ugly but because of the fact that people use so much oil for gas, the oil companies keep drilling. Ever think that we might run out of oil? what are we going to do then? our economy will stop. period. our economy is slowing down as we speak, and if you havent noticed just that brought down a bankrupted iceland because it scared people.

      on top of that i dont think taxpayers should have their well earned money waisted on these companies. if they want to be saved have the oil companies do it or do it themselves! this morning EACH of the THREE owners flew in to talk to congress WITH 747 SIZED JETS???? and guess what? like 4 people came out of each!!! imagine the ammount of money that cost! for a couple people!!! maybe they should cut their income and maybe remove some of their nice little commodities like BIG JETS

    • 3 years ago
  • CCashman
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      CCashman  
    • thedrugsdontwork:

      A.) If you have a good point, you don't need to be a dick about it. (I know that what I'm saying here may seem hypocritical since I am using an ad hominem attack against you, but it is for the purpose of trying to get you and everyone else to not do it.)

      B.) Let's say that your factoid about cars' impact on the ozone layer is true (I don't know for certain, so I'm not going to debate you on it right now): That still does nothing to the that cars are one of the largest producers of carbon dioxide, which contributes to the greenhouse effect, which left unabated will kill us all.

      Cars may not be causing the destruction of the ozone layer, but they causing a whole mess of other problems.

    • 3 years ago
  • MRprez
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      MRprez  
    • Since the big 3 create cars that use so much gas shouldnt the oil companies be bailing them out? The big 3 are scratching the oil companies backs, the oil companies should be returning the favor.

    • 3 years ago
  • MRprez
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      MRprez  
    • Yeah, exactly. what you are all experiencing as the "big 3" start falling is the evolution of the automobile industry. these companies created big, ugly, gas-guzzling cars for YEARS and now whats happening is not surprising. the other, less energy wasting companies, are taking charge.

      That is the reason for their threats. they are childish and as children they use these tactics to keep themselves up. i think the congress made the right choice to deny them. I hope they dont fall, i just want them to change their ways

    • 3 years ago
  • thedrugsdontwork
  • myndperception
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      myndperception  
    • ^^^TDDW: theyve made an electronic car in the past. they recalled them and never made them again.

      fuck GM this is whats gonna happen, the big companies that have cars which use oil fall and the companies the use biofuels begin to get more demand.

      new industry.

      the earth changes, this is part of change, it was bound to happen.

    • 3 years ago
  • thedrugsdontwork
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      thedrugsdontwork  
    • You cant just sit there and say "make this electric car or you wont get the bailout"

      These things take time and cost more money than GM has right now. All of you people still bitter about the loss of the EV1 should get the fuck over it and look past what you think is a company that only makes SUV's.

      Because they don't.

      Just because your ignorance and bitterness has made you stick up your nose at buying a Chevy Cobalt (37MPG) or actually looking at the facts (Most GM vehicles are above average in reliability, and all are above average in customer satisfaction) doesn't mean you need to put millions of people out of work. Your snobbery and preconceived bullshit shouldn't cost people their jobs, and this country a historic industry.

      This crisis is not the fault of the product, its the fault of ignorance and stupid people in this country that put our economy in this position so they could afford their precious overrated Prius simply because it was fashionable.

    • 3 years ago
  • fourty_two
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      fourty_two  
    • thedrugsdontwork:

      We are not sitting here and saying anything, it is chevy, or others saying that if we dont give them the bailout they will cancel production on their most anticipated car.
      We have every right to still be angry about the EV1, it was a blatant demonstration of how the oil companies control GM.
      Nobody ever said they only make SUV's But they where incredibly slow to move to higher fuel efficiency cars, when Toyota and Honda have been producing them massively for several years. And yes I would much rather buy a Toyota Camry than a chevy cobalt because I would much prefer EXCELENT reliability to "above average", which I can only assume is true if the average is a ford.
      This money could be used to create the same number if not more jobs than if it where used to bail out people who got themselves into this situation. For example as already mentioned it could be invested in Tesla or given as grant money to colleges developing more efficient and cheaper batteries. or used to unite engineers with enterpunuers starting a new car company with its head screwed on straight. in fact all three of these alternatives could probably be done for allot less money than bailing out GM alone. Standard Oil was also a historic industry. Guess we should have kept them around too.

      the Prius is not only purchased because it is fashionable (and it is a beautiful car) but because it has been around long enough to gain allot of momentum, because Toyota had the foresight to build fuel efficient cars a long time ago.

    • 3 years ago
  • MRprez
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
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    • thedrugsdontwork:

      "I know you can't innovate on a dime, Dad, but GM has had decades"...

      "When the first Saturns rolled off the line in 1991, I don't know of another community of employees and local families in the United States that has ever been so proud... It was a different kind of company. It was a different kind of car. It was innovative. And remember a few years later when Saturn became the brand through which the EV1 electric car was leased? The EV1 program put GM far ahead of the curve in the electric car field and promised to usher in a new era of American ingenuity."

      There's no reason that GM can't go in a direction that will enable them to sell more cars to a wider audience that absolutely wants EV technology. Don't sales of the Prius and others prove that?
      GM needs to provide a product that sells - that is how the game works. If they continue to push antiquated technology, its nobody's fault but their own that they are going under, certainly not mine as a taxpayer, and its not my responsibility to bail their asses out.

    • 3 years ago
  • cabinettags
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      cabinettags  
    • First let me point out that this article wasn't quoting GM, but rather industry pundits. Maybe they think this, maybe no.

      I remember when the Volkswagen first came here. It was ugly, but cheap to buy/operate and lasted forever with min. maintenance. Only after Germany & Japan started taking their business did Detroit start making better cars. Before then, 100,000 miles was OLD. That was a lot of years ago and they're STILL in the same position. That can only be management. Gas has been going up for years and still they focused on gas guzzlers.

      If they have a lot of these on the lots now they should ship them to the near east. Those folks have money. And gas. To sell here now, they'll have to give them away.

      To consider cancelling the development of a vehicle that would stand a chance of making it here is ludricous. Are these folks from Mars?

      I don't want to see the industry fold, lots of employment there. And this is the club they're threatening us with. But to my lights it does no good to help someone that won't help themselves. What if we took this money and used it to finance the creation of new car co's? How much worse could it be?

      I think Wash was approached simply because the banks got away with it. It's not up to the taxpayers to make sure companies remain in business. If they don't know how to make their companies profitable then out of business is where they need to be. Ours is not a socialist society.

      As a friend used to tell me, it's time to crap or get off the pot.

    • 3 years ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • cabinettags:

      My father always says "shoot, shit, or get off the pot", and I agree with you completely on this. I'd rather the money go into a company like Tesla who can hire the old GM employees, take over their plants if need be, and start producing vehicles that we can really use. GM ought to lie in the bed they made for themselves ^_^

    • 3 years ago
  • IMMININT
  • MRprez
  • fourty_two
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      fourty_two  
    • IMMININT:

      you guys didnt here about the new hummer Tank Edition it has 2 inch thick armor plating, 2 50 caliber machine guns, all bulletproof glass and a 65 mm cannon for the traffic. I already have two.

    • 3 years ago
  • MRprez
  • ximalim
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      ximalim  
    • If another car doesn't get produced, the better our world will be in my opinion. If people would just hop on there bikes we wouldn't be as obese, wouldn't be in a war, wouldn't have to give massive amounts of money to corrupt corporations, wouldn't put so much shit in the atmosphere...

    • 3 years ago
  • cyman01
  • necrotized
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      necrotized  
    • Why don't they shut down the Chevy SUVs. If they're worried about losing money, why not start a recycling program instead, and re-use all of the materials that they used to build the millions of cars gathering dust on lots around the country?

    • 3 years ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
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    • Screw GM - put the money into Tesla Motors, and let them develop a EV that people can afford based on technology they already have on the market.
      We don't Need GM or any of the Big 3 to approve EV technology. Give the money to companies who are already using it, and let GM fall while their employees are hired by companies that actually walk the talk. Its stupid in today's day and age to support bullshit tactics like this; there are companies who deserve the credit, and the cash, far more than GM. Its not like they're the only companies on the planet that employ people in the auto industry...

    • 3 years ago
  • jefftego
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      jefftego  
    • alicynx:

      I completely agree with you. Give Tesla a few billion to scale up their production and technology to make their cars more affordable. GM should have been on the ball and they weren't.

    • 3 years ago
  • MRprez
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      MRprez  
    • alicynx:

      HELLS YESSSSS! ive been looking at these cars for a while... small detail: completely electric cars still need to get the energy from somewere and where does it usually come from? Coal-fired power plants still making so much of a dangerous impact on our environment

    • 3 years ago
  • fourty_two
  • MRprez
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      MRprez  
    • alicynx:

      I havent heard that. idk if ive been living in a cave but never have. but they still have to put a lot of impact on the atmosphere, right? i still think we should drop a bunch of solar panels right on the Mojave desert. Idk what the numbers would be like but i feel like we'd have those coal plants trying to put out the fire in their wallet. like that those electric cars could have absolutely no impact

    • 3 years ago
  • thorstein
  • Ayahuasca2012
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      Ayahuasca2012  
    • In all honesty, I think we should let them fold...

      The people who are working for the automakers will have to find a new job and this is a rough market to be stuck in. But it's much better than the alternative of giving free money to automakers and then watching them lay these people off anyway to produce their vehicles cheaper in Mexico or someplace like that...

      They have been giving us the middle finger for years now... it's time we return the favor!

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • jefftego
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      jefftego  
    • Just imagine where GM would be now if they had continued with the EV1 instead of crushing it and pushing the Hummer instead. And from what I have read, GM says they won't be able to make money off the Volt. GM put themselves in this situation. They have no one to blame but themselves.

    • 3 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • Sigh, this is were the companies are trying to get the best of both economic worlds. So long as profits are good everyone wants a purely capitalistic economy; however, when profits dry up because of poor planning everyone wants a socialist like bail out so they don't incur the wrath of their bad decisions.

      I'm almost inclined to let these companies die off, but the problem is all of the innocent (more or less...) workers who are tied into these companies.

      Oh well, I do believe that the Volt is a stupid scare tactic by GM/Cheverolet to get a piece of the pie. Had they any intention of pursuing this, they could have seriously done so years ago.

    • 3 years ago
  • dragon1984
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      dragon1984  
    • they should go bankrupt for not making fuel efficient cars sooner and be taxed for the extra carbon their cars are contributing. They don't need rescue, they need a new business plan.

    • 3 years ago
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • "If you don't do what I want you to, I want be your friend anymore." What a bunch of spoiled entitled juvenile jerks.
      If the CEOs of the big three were worth 1/10th of there inflated salaries they would have been designing, marketing and selling these and other e-cars 30 yers ago.
      I feel for the people that have to rely on these thiefs for a living. At the same time, why would big wigs expect the people that they have been fleecing for over one hundred years to come to their rescue?

    • 3 years ago
  • lenhart
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      lenhart  
    • bluestranger:

      "If the CEOs of the big three were worth 1/10th of there inflated salaries they would have been designing, marketing and selling these and other e-cars 30 yers ago."

      You're right, of course. But, to be honest the American people themselves should accept at least some of the responsibility. Idiots, in places like Houston, for example, insisted upon buying absurd SUVs in the confirmed belief that the US had a right to attack and invade Iraq and that doing so would BRING DOWN the price of gasoline.

      In fact, people openly boasted about how we would attack Iraq and STEAL their oil! People laughed about it and thought Iraq would be a cakewalk, that we had a RIGHT to steal their oil.

      What is to be said about an entire nation gone nuts AND immoral at the same time?

    • 3 years ago
  • bluestranger
  • pokesmot
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      pokesmot  
    • If CEO's are not doing their jobs fire 'em. If they are doing their jobs and it is not working... close down the company. Isn't that what we would expect from ourselves?

    • 3 years ago
  • bluestranger
  • ryanroe
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      ryanroe  
    • Um, I think it's time to smack these auto makers around. America needs to get real on this friggin bail out stuff. It's just tax money paying for corporate gambling idiots. This is the biggest robbery of American people that has ever happened!!!

      We are in big trouble....

    • 3 years ago
  • TrikyNiki
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      TrikyNiki  
    • ryanroe:

      Hey ryanroe!!!

      There is not much we can do except pray that these ceo's have at least a tiny bit of heart to not to completely screw everyone. Talk about having low expectations...

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
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