Amnesty International urges moratorium on taser use
source: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/04/amnesty-tasers.html
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"Human rights group Amnesty International is renewing its call for a moratorium on Taser use after recent tests commissioned by CBC News and Radio-Canada found some of the stun guns deliver a higher level of electricity than the manufacturer promises."
The posts on current alone, related to this subject, are grim:
- "video captues police repeatedly shocking UCLA student"
- "hospital security guard tasers man with baby
- "An Orlando police officer Tasered an autistic middle school student"
- "Michigan police taser newlyweds during wedding reception"
- "Missouri police taser injured boy 19 times"
- "Lieutenant in deadly taser case commits suicide"
- "man tasered, causing him to fall to his death"
- "Virginia cops taser autistic man for arguing"
- "Police taser a blind woman with cancer"
- "police punched teen 13 times in face, then taser him "
- "Police officer tasers black youth to death"
- "Minnesota state troopers killed a healthy 27 year old by taser"
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AveryMoore
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phillyharper asks
"If the police banned the use of tasers what would fill its place?"
Start with combat training. You don't think they get any?
Then there's Mace, Billy Clubs, Pepper Spray, Truncheons, and an entire arsenal of other methods which can incapacitate but will not kill a person before he can be taken to jail, let alone court.
Lethal force when dealing with a person in a wheelchair? With a juvenile? With a person unarmed? With a senior?
There are far too many instances where the force chosen was so far out of proportion to risk that it is now obvious that having this weapon in the hands of anyone other than SWAT professionals is damaging to the reputation of Law Enforcement.
No one sane wants cops to take more risks than necessary but quite clearly this device is the wrong one to use too often, and it further alienates the community when so obviously there are better alternatives at hand.
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AveryMoore
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metalcookiesxy70
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I saw a commerical that was selling tasers, they are already trying to give these killing tools to the public....
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metalcookiesxy70
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dariustwin
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metalcookiesxy70:
Already giving? Hell, they've been available to the public for years. People just doubted their effectiveness until recently. Hell, manswers teaches people how to make one out of a disposable camera.
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dariustwin
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Johnny_Danger
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Guns are more lethal but, tasers are used more often.
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Johnny_Danger
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marpunk
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I've been saying this the whole time, commenting on almost all of these tasering atrocities, thank you for gathering it all together by finding this article! I think that the taser should have a good looking at. There is nothing more disgusting than reading about taser deaths by abuse of power or sick minded people.
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marpunk
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fun_size
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Personally i feel that the technology shouldnt be outlawed perse but instead resticted. Officers hould know when and when not to use the technology.
If a man holding a knife is running at you, then yes use the weapon. If someone is resisting arrest but not physically then no dont use it. If someone is standing in a puddle then no dont use it.
It should be common sense on how and when to use the device but apparently some cops dont get it. It is definitely better than the alternative however.
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fun_size
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dariustwin
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fun_size:
I believe they already have this training. It's the decision to apply this training that seems to be the root of the problem. And the puddle thing, well that doesn't even make sense unless they're zapping the puddle itself.
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dariustwin
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jmart574
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"medical examiner said the victim also had a lot of methamphetamine in his system."
"Excited delirium...when a person experiences an irregular heartbeat and suddenly dies. It can happen to psychiatric patients and people using drugs such as cocaine."
"intoxicated"
It looks like tasers and drugs don't go well together - 3 years ago
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jmart574
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nazbags
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I do think better training should be given to police who use tasers, but I think it would be even better if there were put out of use totally
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nazbags
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dariustwin
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nazbags:
Do you have a suggestion on what should replace tools such as tasers, because if so, then people would seriously consider the reduced of these things.
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dariustwin
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StormBasiat
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If people start doing what they are told to do they wont need to use it. Those Human Rights groups are absolutely ridiculous.
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StormBasiat
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lfm
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after how many volts torture is attained?
what is the sign, the evidence that turns a quick harmless jolt of static electricity from the key chain into a complete terrifying hurtful body paralysis?
the body's ohms must change with size, fat percentage, clothes and hair style, right? but i guess if you add water to the equation, it doesnt matter
all that and more must be somewhere in the LAW, with other non torture methods that can be LAWFULLY used on us by those who we relinquished our powers to - 3 years ago
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lfm
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dariustwin
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lfm:
I must ask, would you consider chemical weaponry such as pepper spray a legal torture method as well?
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dariustwin
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lfm
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lfm:
again, its a matter of consensus, where is the line between hot sauce on the eye and acid on the face?
if u r asking me "how much pain is acceptable to make someone reluctant to cooperate, to cooperate?", well, u r asking the wrong person, having had only a handful of nasty fights on my belt, i am convinced that violence is completely overrated for attaining any result. there are much more efficient ways, maybe more mentally challenging and not so obvious, but there are many more forms of meeting common ground.
Mr King was talking about racial violence, i find it related to all violence, he was onto something, luckily he was/is not the only one.
"I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers."
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lfm
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lfm
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lfm:
combine the wrong minded people at the wrong time in the wrong place, given the wrong tools and powers that WE have willingly relinquished, and then cases like those happen
or these
"Inman Morales, 35, fell nearly 10 feet to his death after he was shocked in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn. He was taken to a nearby hospital and pronounced dead. An autopsy was inconclusive and required further investigation, the medical examiner's office said. Police said he suffered serious head trauma."http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6413029
and it ends up being so heavy on the mind, how can it not.
"According to reports, Lieutenant Michael Pigott's suicide note indicated that he was afraid of being charged for the death of a man in Brooklyn who died after he authorized the fatal use of a Taser stun gun on the naked psychiatric patient."
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6427185
:-/
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lfm
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ninthstate
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dariustwin
I can see your view but, don't blame the technology or the user? If you have ever been tased then you would NEVER wish it on anyone, especially in the hands of a power tripping cop who wants you to obey. Tasing someone 19 times, a clear choice by the user, can never be justified in court. Let's be honest, most of the people who died were UNARMED and not putting the officers in harm with any "less than lethal" or lethal means themselves. The use of taser force is excessive and this article helps clarify that the technology can be lethal. - 3 years ago
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ninthstate
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flyingkick
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Whatever happened to that UCLA student that got tasered in the library? He was kinda whiny, but the video was pretty damning against the campus police.
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flyingkick
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AveryMoore
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flyingkick:
flyingkick asks
"Whatever happened to that UCLA student that got tasered in the library? He was kinda whiny, but the video was pretty damning against the campus police."
Good Question,
The student who, at worst, resisted passively, sued, won a settlement, and was awarded mega-bucks.
http://current.com/items/90055378_ucla-paying-220k-to-tasered-student.htm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/ucla-settles-lawsuit-with-tasered-...
"The LA Times is reporting that the university is now paying $220K to settle the civil rights lawsuit..."
"UCLA’s acting chancellor brought in a police accountability expert, who found that use of the Taser had violated department rules. UCLA police and their outside expert cleared the officers of wrongdoing, but several of the accountability expert’s policy recommendations were adopted, including a ban on the use of a Taser on people presenting purely “passive resistance.”"
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AveryMoore
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tursiops
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Well when you think about guns, I don't know what's better: Shot someone, or tase someone...
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tursiops
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dariustwin
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tursiops:
You've got much greater odds of living after being tased.
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dariustwin
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dariustwin
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Tasers are not the problem here, as they are a proven less-than-lethal means of subduing suspects who do not comply with an officer's orders.
The issue comes with the application of the taser. Perhaps different approaches to problems would decrease their usage.
On the other hand, the whole goal of apprehending a suspect is to do so as efficiently as possible with as little harm coming to anybody, and tasers allow that.
Once again, don't blame the technology for its potential misuse, and don't blame the user unless you know all the facts first.
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dariustwin
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RubberRims
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A 48-year-old man had a heart attack in an ambulance. He died in the hospital two days later.
Willie Smith was the third person in Washington state to die after being shocked with a Taser.
Smith was the third person in Washington to die after being shocked with a Taser; others died in Silverdale and Olympia. Nationwide, there have been 69 such deaths since 2000. - 3 years ago
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RubberRims
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hammernails
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Is that derek jeter with a stun gun?
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hammernails
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iameam
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Here are some more videos excessive taser use:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Robert+Dziekanski+Tasered+to+Death+-+Full+...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs&eurl=http://www.chycho.com/?q=Taser_Deaths
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iameam
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nessie00
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Tasers if used at all should have different settings to correspond to the weight of the individual being tased. There have been too many deaths from these and more study is needed on them. If you have a heart problem then you are really in trouble.
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nessie00
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dariustwin
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nessie00:
I like your theory, but imagine trying to put it into practice. How could one determine what level of power is necessary based upon visual observations alone? BMI could be guestimated at best in a tense situation that would require the usage of a taser to begin with.
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dariustwin
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lfm
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to phillyharper
how about RADIOS and OTHER RADIOS and OTHER POLICE MEN AND WOMEN and BATONS and HANDCUFFS and THUMB CUFFS, how about CCTV and POLICE CARS, how about flawed laws?
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lfm
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Tayllerand
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Dont taze me bro! dont taze me ! I will never ask questions to goverment officials , I will stay and think like a sheep for the rest of my life.
two legs bad four legs good bahhhhh,bahhhh,baaah.
This is the future .
The Orwelian Nightmare.
Dont think!
Dont question anything!
Shop crap from china!
Eat junk food!
Become fat and stupid!
Shop until you drop to help this fake economy!. - 3 years ago
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Tayllerand
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bfcooper
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less fatal than guns...
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bfcooper
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jh64487
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bfcooper:
more fatal that physical restraint, and again, completely unnecessary
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jh64487
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flyingkick
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bfcooper:
well, I wouldn't say completely unnecessary.
The story about the cop tasering the autistic kid listed up there seemed pretty necessary.
"The 6-foot-5, 250-pound student was washing his hands when an officer confronted him. The boy then swung around and punched the officer in the face and struck his hand."
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flyingkick
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jh64487
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bfcooper:
or the officer could have backed away and called for backup.
do some research on what being tasered does to your body and tell me if even getting punched in the nose is worth inflicting that kind of damage on another person.
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jh64487
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dariustwin
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bfcooper:
See, tasing someone makes their nerves unable to send electrical signals properly, thereby debilitating them long enough for other courses of action to be determined and followed through on. Calling in back-up would have just escalated the situation and possibly caused more harm to more people.
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dariustwin
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jh64487
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tasers give police a level of power they don't need. they use it instead of verbal commands and they are (human) prone to abusing the technology.
get rid of it.
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jh64487
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dariustwin
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jh64487:
What would you have officers do when verbal commands are ignored? I don't see uncooperative people suddenly deciding they'll do what officers tell them to. Tasing makes batons much less necessary and causes less overall damage
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dariustwin
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phillyharper
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If the police banned the use of tasers what would fill its place?
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phillyharper
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lfm
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phillyharper:
how about RADIOS and CAMERAS and POLICE CARS and MANY OTHER POLICE CARS and MANY OTHER RADIOS and OTHER POLICE MEN AND WOMEN, and REAL GUNS and BATONS and HANDCUFFS? dont forget the finger cuffs!
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lfm
