Priest Removes 2 Obama Books From Library

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"I am very pro-life," the Rev. Ron Elliott of Blue Springs, Mo., told KMBC-TV, Kansas City, Mo. "Because of his stance on certain issues, I was asked to look into that matter."
Obama has said he believes abortions should be legally available in accordance with the landmark Roe vs. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision that said abortion was a constitutional right to privacy under the due-process clause of the 14th Amendment.
Elliott said he pulled the Obama books from St. John LaLande Catholic School, even though he didn't find anything wrong with them when he read them.
He said he would put the books back on the shelf in February or March, "after the dust kind of settles."
The school has an early childhood center and teaches students from kindergarten through eighth grade.
(original article from http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/18/Priest_removes_Obama_books_from_school/UP...)
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unclecharlie
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jayne_d0, will you marry me??
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unclecharlie
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jayne_d0
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unclecharlie:
LOL. ??? Looked at your posts. Nice to know there are other people out there defending Christianity in a reasoned manner without resorting to the bashing (that I see coming from those calling us haters).
Keep fighting the good fight.
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jayne_d0
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jayne_d0
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Carmalite, you did not defend Hitler or Stalin, but you generalized about Christianity with historical killings and atrocities and said you are sick of all of them.
I was pointing out that the non-religious (atheists) have killed far more than the religious--in the name of reason and enlightenment. By your logic, does this mean if you are an atheist you support this? To be sick of one, and ignore the other is a double standard. To place oneself under the name of a religion is one thing. To live it is another.
Mother Teresa is my hero. She lived her faith and did what she did because of it. She was a true Catholic.
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jayne_d0
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carmalite
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jayne_d0:
Generalize about Christianity? There are so many facts about ALL RELIGIONS including Christianity and the thousands and perhaps even millions killed in the name of a particular interpretation of God, that it is not a generalization.
And yes, it is not contained to religious ideology but also enters political ideology.
And everyone loves and appreciates the good work of mother Theresa and every single human being that has done all they can to alleviate suffering, poverty, and illness.
The problem is that most people who belong to religions do not practice them, and follow often evil leaders who commit horrible acts in the name of the religion. For one example, in the South, where I live most pro-life people are pro-life before birth but not after. Killing innocents in an unnecessary war does not even give them a shrug. Homeless children are not their concern, because they are already born. And they generally blame the race of the parents for their poverty.I see the problem as too many religous people giving up their cognitive abilities to some Pastor of Priest. Not all religious leaders do the work of Jesus but of the dark side.
In S. America some religous leaders tell the starving peasants not to use birth control. Thus the bring lots of children into the world who can starve also, and the
religious structures prop up the evil greedy aristocracy that is responsible for the starving of the peasants.
If you look at what religion does, its very difficult to support it, and that does not mean that one does not support the really good ones like Mother Theresa nor does than not mean that one does not support the teachings of Jesus.
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carmalite
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jayne_d0:
It is a generalization. You make it sound like all who are Christian embrace the evil done by a few. Mother Teresa is not an anomaly, there were many many before her who did good BECAUSE of they were religious (Christians fighting slavery, for social justice, etc.).
And now you are generalizing about pro-lifers. It might behoove you to actually talk to some people (who don't just name call--b/c I know some who are pro-life behave in ugly ways, too) on the other side.
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jayne_d0
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jayne_d0:
I am Catholic and my church has spoken out AGAINST the war, BTW.
And there has been far more good done by Christians than evil. The evil done is propagated more than the good, I'm afraid--especially by a media who is admittedly hostile towards religion (Christianity and Catholicism especially).
"The problem is that most people who belong to religions do not practice them..."
I wholeheartedly agree! But I do not blame religion as you did in your initial post. We have free will. I think people of goodwill who are religious and non-religious agree on more than we realize! :)
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jayne_d0
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jayne_d0
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Well thank God we live in a free country (for now) where a person's idea for what should be allowed in a private school is theirs. There are some requirements for accreditation--and thanks be to God that there is still some freedom here. Otherwise, "hello, communism."
In the meantime, you can keep yourself or your kids in the school of your choice..
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jayne_d0
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jayne_d0:
...same to you
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i_am_she
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jayne_d0
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It's a Catholic school--they have the right to their ideas, too. What happened to diversity?
If a vegan school took out a book on preparing meat dishes, would you object? These kids are going to get plenty of Obama outside of the school. Schools should not be political, but for learning; and this is clearly a political book. A parochial school does not have to put this stuff in there. If you don't like it, don't send your kids there. Money talks.
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jayne_d0
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jayne_d0:
Actually I would object. Just because you belong to a Catholic school doesn't mean that different views shouldn't be presented...whether or not Obama is presented outside of school is irrelevant......
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i_am_she
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unimatrix0
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Censorship is a sign of fear and ignorance. This says much more about the priest and the church than it does about Obama.
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carmalite
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unimatrix0:
If people support insane intolerant behavior by their religious leaders, their religion will not change. My aunt used to be a Catholic but she left when the church protected child rapists.
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carmalite
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unimatrix0:
Terrible what happened in the Church. It is prevalent in all of society, too. It is, however a red herring for those who are determined to hate the Church. She (the Church) has done more good than bad if you read your history (reading articles by a media that is clearly hostile towards Christianity does not count).
Those pedophiles were not acting according to the Church teachings any more than public school teachers who rape children act according the tenants of education (the problem is ten times worse in public schools).
And pulling a book out of a library that lauds a man who does not believe that a baby who survives an abortion deserves care and should be left to die (because he does not think the baby is a person--he voted against the "Child Born Alive act"; even Hillary voted for it) is NOT intolerant anymore than pulling a book lauding the policies of the Nazi regime is. Historical account is one thing; propaganda is another.
Many Catholics believe that his anti-life views are intolerant and in favor of and the ultimate censorship (life!). They offend in the deepest sense.
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jayne_d0
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jayne_d0
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Good for him.
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jayne_d0
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carmalite
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jayne_d0:
Jane Do I did not blame all religous people. If you want to defend the history of religion go ahead, but I never defended Stalin or Hitler. And the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades probably killed more people than we know about.
The Southern Baptist crusade aganst Black people from the church is still going on in some churches. People get the religion they are willing to support. - 3 years ago
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carmalite
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i_am_she
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It is my opinion that books (or anything actually) that present opposition or a different stance than you believe in shouldn't be taken away, banned, or censored. I think that is extremely narrow minded and it does not promote tolerance. So he has written entire books and because of his stance on abortion you decide the books should removed??? i know that it is more common than I realize but its still some bull---- to me....
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i_am_she
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carmalite
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i_am_she:
The history of religon flows red with blood. How many people are willing to blow up innocents in the name of holy war today? And historically, Christianity is just as bloody. How many Christians have been killed by other "good Christians," over some insane idea some nut job of a church leader belileved was more important than "thou shalt not kill."
The KKK is big into the Southern Baptist church too. They belive that God justifies their racial hatred. I am sick of all of them. Just love God and love your neighbor is better imho. - 3 years ago
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carmalite
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i_am_she:
To carmalite, history shows that the most people that have been killed in the name of an ideology--have been killed by atheists. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot Mao Tse Tung, and on and on.
Does tihs mean all atheists commit evil atrocities? No. Do all pagans perform human sacrifice as their predecessors did? And it is intolerant and ignorant to label the majority of the Christians by atrocities committed by a few.
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jayne_d0