Pope's Gender Speech

Atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair once stated that the Pope "should be charged for "crimes against humanity"
for visiting third world countries and encouraging the natives "to be fruitful and multiply". The papacy has offered other idiotic opinions and his statement about
homosexuality is about the same thing you'd hear on
"The Old Time Gospel Hour" and about as informed.

Love is love in a committed relationship. Trying to rack up a score regardless of sexual preference is something else- like addiction.

Surely we can all agree that homosexuality *is* a threat to humanity - at least if we restrict ourselves to the notion of humanity as envisaged by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

So long as the rest of us still get to regard *them* as being as threat to humanity as we envisage it, I'm not too worried about the pronouncements of what in our societies is, let's face it, a largely irrelevant relic.

This doesn't suprise me, it's been since a long time that the pop annoyed me...

dont expect for people in power like the Pope, Obama, Biden to work towards a change in our socities. The work is up to us, to tell those "supposed" leaders what WE value and what kind of society we want to live in.

"Democracy is the people. Democracy is social movements. That’s what democracy is. And what history tells us is that when injustices have been remedied, they have not been remedied by the three branches of government. They’ve been remedied by great social movements, which then push and force and pressure and threaten the three branches of government until they finally do something. Really, that’s democracy. " Howard Zinn

One day and i hope its in my lifetime, i hope to experience the rights for same gender couples!

Up'd. Anything to (appropriately) vilify a religion and its leaders.

Religion is, at worst, an opiate and, at best, a placebo.

I am not a Catholic but I believe that as a major religious leader the Pope should speak about these sort of moral issues. Even if we don't follow his faith we should let him have his say and allow him his beliefs, as with people of all faiths, and none, around the world. Surely some of the anti-Pope comments are just a case of "pot and kettle".

but is he single?

I am catholic so I am a follower of the pope thats it.

you are SICK

anyone else think the pope looks hott in this video?

Who is Benedict to call into question the natural order of gender identification and homosexuality while Jesus himself never once said anything against homosexuals in his own words.In spite of the fact that Jesus never condemned homosexuality, the church continues to take on this issue and declare itself the interpreter of God's will when it comes to the natural order.

The audacity of Benedict to assume that questioning the Church's interpretation of gender identity is "waging war" on creation, this is being said to protect and justify his position.

It is the epitome of arrogance to think that a created being can upset the plans of a creator. To say that human beings are capable of destroying God's creation is a false doctrine that has been used and is still being used to justify the subjugation of human liberty. It is a brainwashing mantra that is used to instill fear in the hearts of innocent young children and to rob them of their individuality, their creativity and their natural inclination to the innate order that is the universe; and the church calls God.

This Pope Benedict is definitely an ARNOLD when it comes to the merciful goodness, tolerance and love with which Pope John Paul governed the church.

In my estimation, Benedict can be compared to George W. Bush as John Paul can be compared to John F. Kennedy. This Pope Benedict is ultra conservative and he is a Biblical unilateralist while Pope John Paul was a Progressive. Benedict has never truly understood that love and suffering go hand and hand, that by suffering with others we are taught mercy and a more profound understanding of Love, while John Paul demonstrated through his words and actions that he understood these lessons well, having suffered much throughout his life, lived and practiced the Golden Rule.
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Great speech by my pope, I thought he did and great job, and he is right..

That speech should be reserved for the pedophile priest of his!

tellknozwho,

"Yes! He condemned politics in the church, divorce, and fortification, because it was relevant to the times and that's what the people were asking for advice for guidance."

Yes you are right and it is of no less relevance today but you see the so called Christian church repeating the same failing the Jewish community had then and the same issues that have the world inappropriately focused on the issues in area that is considered the Holy Land. Politics and religion in an inappropriate mix that is bringing the world closer to a world war than ever. So let the church work here as vigorously as they do spreading hate and removal of rights of gay people.

Secondly, the equating is of homosexuality with pedophilia is and old trick that know self respect theologian or Christian would even agree. I do not mean people like these mega churches I mean true spiritual people as well as learned psychologist and psychiatrist who profile these pedophiles as being largely hetero, white, and male. So do not think you can talk down to me.

Third, Homosexuality being preposterous is ridiculous when there is a wealth of information that shows gay men and women historically have existed in times of the ancient Egyptians, Japanese, Chinese, Native Americans, etc., and did not under go hateful persecution but viewed as a part of the natural order of things and those who wanted to be fruitful and spit out more humans than this planet can sustain were welcomed, as gay men women were viewed as a balance to this. And you do not know if anyone didn't ask about homosexuality all you have is what MEN have "documented" but not necessarily the truth.

You and other people who are quick to condemn people and think that heaven is openly to you ought to try being compassionate, accepting, loving, and exhibit the ideas of the only two commandments that have mattered, per Jesus own words... you know the good Samaritan? The old testament is dead and no has or will be able to get to heaven following it...not even Moses or Abraham... and that scriptural. And Jesus did not set up the church Paul did and from where I am standing it looks NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING like Christ son.... so your sermon it mute bs and so are YOU!!!!

"Taylor32," let me say something to you. I'm not sure where to start but I'll start with Jesus himself.
Jesus, the divine son of God, was a Jewish man who upheld and was faithful to the laws of Moses. In the book of Leviticus of the Old Testament it states in chapter 18; you shall not lie with a man as you would lie with a female; it is an abomination. In chapter 20 it states; if a man shall lie with a man as he would with a women he shall be stoned to death. Now, the very thought of homosexuality during those ancient times were unheard of and socially banned; hence it was NOT a topic to be relevant to the times. Yes! He condemned politics in the church, divorce, and fortification, because it was relevant to the times and that's what the people were asking for advice for guidance. NOT homosexuality because whether you like to admit it OR NOT; HOMOSEXUALITY WAS IN THOSE TIMES PREPOSTEROUS!
In addition, I'd like to briefly address the pope and their misguided ways. First of all it was the pope or the vatican (w.e.) who initiated this idea of celibacy, NOT JESUS, because AGAIN he wanted people to be FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY; as I stated before. Second of all, was it not the Greeks and their powerful leaders who use to bribe little boys with gifts as "Token symbols" to show the young boy agreed to have sex with him [Until he was married]. Homosexuality may not have started there but it was ALLOWED not condemn in their PAGAN state. But wait, I'll put it all together now. Which empire wished to renew the "Glory" of Greece[Ha!]? THE ROMANS! And with the worship of their glory days they renewed "a few OLD HABITS;" Homosexuality.

HOLLA!

And why exactly do we care WHAT this celibate old man who dresses more flamboyantly then any drag queen has to say about gender?

If he thinks all humans have a duty to be fruitful and multiply, where are all HIS kids, and the kids of all the priests and nuns?

He seems to have forgotten as most people about the priest who molested the children and how the Pope sent letters around to create a conspiracy to hide and move around priest who had been found out as molesters; gay or straight. He himself has been rumored to be a gay from events of his youth. When you can show me a scripture where Jesus condemns gay men/women as he does divorce, politics in the church, money changers in the church, fornication, then I will actually believe something out of his mouth!

I agree that if you don't like what the religion thinks you shouldn't be in that religion, but I think most extreme religious groups take their arguments too far concerning homosexuality. To me, every religion seems to preach love and acceptance in their own way, but most of them can't back it up with actions.

The pope and his church are regressive.
With all the problems of the world- war, famine,
greed, corruption hes worried about gays!

Sound like more of that far right wing crap that Bush and
his neocons sold the nation for eight years!
What did that get us?

the only peopl who care about this sort of thing are the same kinds or jerks who beat their sons to keep them 'straight'. this is stupid. the pope is stupid. and the people who follow him are even more so.

Fortunately this behavior is a dead end genetically speaking.

I Disagree with all of you. What is the pope's religion? Christianity; and it in this religion and many others of the earth that god said "be fruitful and multiply." For you to say that the Pope is ignorant and prejudice it is your right but also he has the right to view his opinion.

I personally disagree with homosexuality, but that does not mean that we all can't respect each other as human beings, even if we don't agree on everything; I guess.

This former Hitler youth member is so out of touch with reality,as is the catholic church,that his homophobic views,and his world view in general should be ignored by every intelligent person! The Catholic church,and in fact every organized religion have always sought to impose their will on the people! screw them every person has the right to self-determination and the right to be happy! While I am not gay,I have many friends who are gay and they are deserving of their civil rights as everyone is!

If you don't like it, just don't be catholic.

The pope is wrong. He is blinded by prejudice. His words are a disservice to humanity. It is sad that a supposed representative of peace and love goes out of his way to slander and malign good people. The pope's homophobia represents a deep flaw in his character. And indeed, anybody who shares the pope's homophobia is equally flawed.

Can't we all get along?. Should we not work together in mutual respect? Rather than pointing fingers and making accusations which only inflame the passions, why can't we exercise tolerance and good will?

destruction of the works of god? (wow) like say... the mass murder of women to enforce superstitions? or an organization that conspires to cover up the widespread abuse of children? stopping two people from loving each other?

With the way unmarried people pop out babies and orphanages filled to the brim, I don't think being gay is going to deter the human populace. People are still breeding out there.