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As if things weren't bad enough, Russian professor predicts end of US

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Unbelievable ... Apparently, he's been saying this for a decade now.

Although I agree that the US has some tough times ahead, I don't see any way that we could lose our sovereignty to other nations. After all, we still have the most nukes of any other country on the planet.

What does the Current community think?

"For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the US will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument - that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the US - very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.

In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on US-Russia relations.

But it's his bleak forecast for the US that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario - for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the US."

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  • brad62
  • furio15
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      furio15  
    • This is a little bit of nonsense ,a civil war ?
      That is like impossible in our time considering we are basically mixed everywhere in the country there's nothing to really get upset about.It's ridiculus ,this prediction was made over a decade ago when something like that may have been a little possible.

    • 3 years ago
  • naty_forty
  • innocent_criminal
    • 0
      innocent_criminal  
    • this country has been divided like that since it was created and still people wanted to be all under the same umbrella. it makes no sense but that doesn't mean we're gonna break up.

    • 3 years ago
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • I could see us breaking down into seperate countries under an Obama administration, similiar to the former Soviet republics, but the thought that any of the United States would sucumb to foreign rule is ludicrious. California and Texas by themselves are larger than most countries in terms of GDP, and a confederation of southern or New England states would rank just as high. Not going to happen.

    • 3 years ago
  • 2muchinfo
  • metalcookiesxy70
  • RudyRudell
  • AlexBush
    • 0
      AlexBush  
    • The most ludicrous part of this theory is the thought that Americans would allow foreign nations (let alone the Chinese) to be in control of U.S. territory.

    • 3 years ago
  • Disable
    • 0
      Disable  
    • I'm going to be a Chinese citizen? Goodbye freedom of speech, goodbye dissent.

      Luckily I'm willing to bet my mass fortune on this guy being wrong.

    • 3 years ago
  • Dmitri_Molotov
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      Dmitri_Molotov  
    • The only issue I have with these predictions is that all the new nations would be under outside influences. Not likely. Also, California would stand alone (and be the first to do so), then creating an alliance with the rest of the Pacific states.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ihatethemall
  • joy2yah
  • NoGodsNoMasters
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      NoGodsNoMasters  
    • I guess Professors just aren't what they use to be. I'm pretty sure, if this actually would happen, that the US motherland would just become 4 separate nations. "Atlantic America" would become a massive trade and technology based nation and would have a WAY better name then Atlantic America. Like the Rust Belt states....yeah, I like that. "The Texas Republic" would become the New Confederacy. (And I really don't understand where this "Professor" got the idea that Mexico is more stable then the American south.) The west coast would become like Venezuela 2.0. It will more then likely be a socialist nation with a good amount of Spanish influence. And the Bible belt would become like Americas Vatican. Just completely controlled by religious radicals. As for Alaska...why the hell would Russia get Alaska? If anyone would assimilate Alaska it would be Canada. Theres that tiny thing we like to call the Pacific Ocean that would keep Russia from taking Alaska. Shit, Russia couldn't hold on to nations that were right next to her. The only one I agree with is that Hawaii might find itself under Japanese or Chinese control. At the same time though they could also just stay a neutral island nation. So yeah, Igor = Epic Fail!

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • NoGodsNoMasters:

      Alaska is but a handful of miles away from Russia. Alaska used to be part of Russia, it was sold to America. There are still many older Alaskans that long to be part of Russia, especially among the Inuits. It would be extremely easy for Russia to take Alaska back.

    • 3 years ago
  • mojojuju
  • Xion
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      Xion  
    • I could've sworn there was like a game that came out about this,
      except we were all in a civil war and etc.

    • 3 years ago
  • Dmitri_Molotov
  • Xion
  • cheller1820
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      cheller1820  
    • If the Bilderberg group has their way, this won't happen, instead, Canada, USA and Mexico will be one borderless union sharing the same currency similar to the European Union. The "North American Union" ring a bell to anyone?

    • 3 years ago
  • Dmitri_Molotov
    • 0
      Dmitri_Molotov  
    • Hell yes!
      The California Republic will NOT be under Chinese influence though. We've dealt with the Americans long enough, and are fed up with being slaves to other countries.

    • 3 years ago
  • realitybytes
    • 0
      realitybytes  
    • i feel sad for most of you who are living in the dark, in some dreamland where this can't happen. Do you know the U.S. is over a trillion dollars i debt and we are in 3 wars. (The Iran War is kept secret) Seriouly, wake up! It not propaganda, its not a joke, its reality. The Amero is real and this can actually happen. It doesn't have to happen by war or violence, but by a transaction. Everything is for sale and Cash Rules Everything Around Me, dollar,dollar bill ya'll.

    • 3 years ago
  • Purplepanda0o0o
  • IMMININT
    • 0
      IMMININT  
    • Because Russia is a good source for information on America right...

      If anything Florida will go to Cuba.. Hell, Miami already left.

    • 3 years ago
  • 02
    • 0
      02  
    • America is one nation. Rome was big but always many countries put together. When they stopped running it well, it caved.
      We've had a pack of people stealing from the top for years - but it all sits on a full fabric that runs through us all.
      The worse that could happen here - is the people could rise up, grab the scallywags, shake the money back out of their pockets, convert their stolen assets - maybe toss em in the can - and reinstate the Constitution.

      But we are not breaking up our land.

    • 3 years ago
  • darkhorsejim
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      darkhorsejim  
    • Every great civilization rises & falls. Why would the U.S. fare any different? At some future point, what would stop Mexico from reclaiming Texas by simply organizing an occupation at a time when the U.S. could no longer protect all of its borders?

    • 3 years ago
  • wmorrison13
  • pshot
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      pshot  
    • He must not have read about the civil war we already had. This war cost over a million lives and there was no split then and there will be no split now. This is not Russia.

    • 3 years ago
  • dank800
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      dank800  
    • wOOt this is awesome for Canada. Although Russia would have to fight us over Alaska, we still have a border dispute going on there.

    • 3 years ago
  • TheMadPoet
  • Ayahuasca2012
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      Ayahuasca2012  
    • While I dont think the US is in great shape and could possibly fall apart. The whole Russia taking Alaska and China or Japan taking Hawaii is kinda silly...

      If anything some of the states will break off and declare sovereignty, but I think that its more Russian wishful thinking if anything...

    • 3 years ago
  • Thargor19
  • Yaemea
  • Ayahuasca2012
  • brad62
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      brad62  
    • Image
    • Baba Vanga also predicted that Russia would rule the World.
      But, she might have been under the control of the K.G.B. at the time.
      One story reads that she gave a reading to Adolph Hitler. And he walked away very disappointed.
      She also predicted a newer stronger Nation to emerge, named Russia. And that was when all Russians referred to their Country as the Soviet Union.

      So who knows? I've been around long enough not to be surprised by a lot of things.
      But I think America can survive, if we pull our heads out of our azzes.

    • 3 years ago
  • wayseeker
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      wayseeker  
    • This would make a great fiction novel. I would read it. I think the professor is up to something and it has to do with getting publicity.

    • 3 years ago
  • neocongo
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      neocongo  
    • While Americans are currently consuming themselves into a deep hole, this fellow has no concept of the American work ethic, nor does he have any understanding of the true resource wealth still remaining within the U.S. This is definitely a vote up for comedy value.

    • 3 years ago
  • Alex_French
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      Alex_French  
    • as scary as this is to imagine, and as much as most non americans want it to happen im sure, it wont. i'd rather die than be bought out by any of those fucked up places. you bet your ass you wont be seeing a map like that until every true american is dead.

      fuck that map too, it makes me very mad to think that some russian ass hole thinks the american people would just let this shit happen. you try and split up our country, and we will fuck yours up, hasn't this been our M.O. for a few hundred years now?

    • 3 years ago
  • chuckiebean
  • Vierotchka
  • cerealforeal
    • 0
      cerealforeal  
    • I would love to see this happen. My state of Texas would fare a lot better without the oversight of the American government and Federal Reserve that owns it.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • Ha ha. I read yesterday that Minnesota or was it Minneapolis is preparing to sell or lease their Zoo's, Parks, Roads, Highways to anybody and that means that a Spanish corporation or Dubai that already has a big piece of the pie will be running the show from there. Our governments have been operating solely on credit for so long and that is just what the bankers love, when they get in debt they are at the mercy of every wealthy crook in the world. India already has been doing the bookkeeping for many states for years now. It seems that the Russians are well aware of the financial condiition of this country. They also know when these countries try to call in their debts the USA has no capital to pay off. They will continue to mint money out of thin air and that is the trouble with the dollar today, it is worthless. I have for years listened to contractors call for more credit. This entire nation has been floating bonds for so long and there is a time to pay up but this country is so deep and the debt keeps climbing and it cannot be paid off even with all people working 24 hours around the clock. The Russian professor may be right, considering the incompetents that the voters permit to run or rather crash their economy here. The people have been brainwashed into believing that credit and credit cards are hep and the way to go, but he who plays must pay. The USA at the present time is at the mercy of the big boys and I mean these boys who control the banks and bankers. And furthermore our leaders call the Amero a conspiracy theory, while in effect it is almost a foregone conclusion that when they proposed and forced the EURO on the Europeans the peoples had no options nor could they refuse. Remember when JP Morgan said that he who controls a nations money controls that nation? Well the Federal Reserve Bank Controls our money and thus the Fed Bank and all of those financiers and the CFR own America lock stock and barrell, so you could say that the Coup had already taken place back in 1913 when the bankers created the federal Reserve bank. And that makes the Russian Professor correct.

    • 3 years ago
  • cali_is_gorgeous
  • tmfs
  • idealist
  • Thargor19
  • LarzNero
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      LarzNero  
    • Stupid. I could draw a map and speculate just as well. I can't believe they printed this fantasy in the WSJ... actually, since the WSJ was so hyped about companies like Enron, etc. maybe it's not surprising. They're suckers for anyone who calls themselves a guru. Layta

    • 3 years ago
  • clownpuncher
  • bansheewail
  • dreamland15
  • Isaac_M
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      Isaac_M  
    • Based on trends, it seems it's going to go the other way around: the USA will gobble up all neighbors. Sad but true. Just hope a BUSH never happens again.

    • 3 years ago
  • ChrisWT
  • Emil_G
    • 0
      Emil_G  
    • Balderdash. This is just Russian-nationalist wet dreaming. Not any better than any anti-Russia sentiment here and elsewhere.

      Jokes about Sarah Palin is the only way this kind of stuff should be acknowledged.

    • 3 years ago
  • straw2berry89
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      straw2berry89  
    • i like how people can try to predict things, such as the end of the world, which was suppose to happen in year 2000. now the new prediction is 2012 according to the mayans! people "kill" me with their certainty

    • 3 years ago
  • dreamland15
  • dold
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      dold  
    • I'm an Oregonian born and raised, and I'm all about the smaller independent government, thus part of me wishes this would happen, however, China is not who I want controlling things here. We've already got a plan dialed in for ourselves.....

      http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/

    • 3 years ago
  • dreamland15
    • 0
      dreamland15  
    • This is simply ridiculous. Obviously this professor does not understand that the U.S. does not need itself as a whole to stand strong. Each of our owns states can independently run themselves without help if the shit hits the fan.

    • 3 years ago
  • bansheewail
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • while it's possible that the US could splinter into sections at some point in the future the idea that parts of it could come under the control of canada and mexico is absurd! futher the atlantic south joining with the atlantic north is equally absurd! While groups of states could in the future seperate from the whole and run their own affairs is possible any type of foriegn control is not possible and the notion that the EU could control part of the US is not realistic at all either! This Russian is nuts! prehaps wishful thinking on the part of the Russians? Or the EU? The only way we'd allow any foriegn control of american soil is if we were all dead!

    • 3 years ago
  • curiously_strong
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      curiously_strong  
    • The man admits that he dislike Americans and his maps seems to be way off.

      The United States does not look like it would collapse but instead slip in power just like Europe did after World War II and rebuild its infrastructure. Plus the US is economically attached to the World Market, other countries would not let it collapse for it would cause a mayhem in the world economy.

    • 3 years ago
  • bansheewail
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      bansheewail  
    • I am related to the former Chief Executive in charge of International Expansion for Standard Oil(AMOCO). Over the holiday, we had a long discussion about this same subject. He agrees with the Russians. He told me, "In 30 years the US will be a third-world country". I know it sounds crazy. But, we can't sustain our way of life anymore. We came out ahead during the Industrial Revolution and we will pay it all back during the era Globalization. By importing our energy and exporting our debt, we have become vulnerable. Once the resources run short, we'll see how sturdy our Union really is.

    • 3 years ago
  • curiously_strong
  • escarondito
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      escarondito  
    • bansheewail:

      thank you bansheewail for again providing a sound opinion. i find it funny that all the other commenters find this hilarious. im sorry you guys but this has been predicted by more than this one man. this is going to happen and at the rate the economy is falling its going to happen sooner than 30 years form now. now country has ever been militarily strong if it is not economically strong and this depression is going ot last years. bansheewail, his relative, me, and this proffesor are not crazy. this is not a laughing situation and this is seriously a highly probable outcome very soon. If by christmas next year food isn't more important than presents you can all call me the conspiracy theorists fool i would be. but by then the internet will probably be hard to find anyway.

    • 3 years ago
  • outtheinside
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      outtheinside  
    • I had to vote this up due to the hilarity factor. This doesn't speak well for Russian professors.... I'm with JOGGLEF - it's much more likely that each of the 50 states would own their own piece of Russia...

    • 3 years ago
  • rickm8
  • jogglef
    • 0
      jogglef  
    • he's mistaken - Russia will break into 50 pieces in mid-2009, with each piece belonging to a US state. The piece containing Moscow, called Donaldduckland, for instance, will belong to Tennessee. Bob Barker and Steve Perry, formerly of Journey, will form a two-man leadership council to oversee the transition, after which the dragon from Tic-Tac Dough will be named Emperor of the new country, which will be called "Jasper 33 of Toledo: The Mongolian Treefrog"

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
  • dar928
  • kylercoon
    • 0
      kylercoon  
    • Russias economy, and overall stability is much worse than the U.S. I guess saying stuff like this makes him feel better. When it's just straight up stupid.

    • 3 years ago
  • NickerBocker09
  • Vierotchka
  • joestick
  • BLAMM_O
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      BLAMM_O  
    • Obama should chin check this dude real quick! Russia has got a little home town pride_and good for them_but despite all of America's problems, our arguments, and finger pointing, it is still the best political system in the world.

      The Founding Fathers had a gift, their work is sheer brilliance. But the country is only as good as its people. WE need to shift the paradigm. WE need to rebuild the ivory towers brick by kick ass brick.

      PUTIN CAN EAT IT!!!

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
    • 0
      Vierotchka  
    • BLAMM_O:

      The USA has the best political system in the world? You've got to be joking, or you know nothing about anything outside of the USA. I'll grant you that the USA has the most corrupt political system in the world, though.

    • 3 years ago
  • digitrash
  • matthewcohen
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      matthewcohen  
    • Funny!
      The professors an idiot, making hyped-up predictions for political gain.

      For me the punchline is "Canadian Influence" - is that with a mouse in the bottle or not?! ("strange brew" reference for the youth)

      I think were more likely to see world governments, not small independent states.

    • 3 years ago
  • bigloutech
  • Sam_the_Wizer
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      Sam_the_Wizer  
    • I personally would like to see it return to smaller independent governments. Unfortunately at this point I think the end of the US as a political entity wouldn't result in smaller independent states, but nationwide anarchy.

    • 3 years ago
  • Scudettostarved
  • TheJellz
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      TheJellz  
    • It's not totally insane to think that the U.S. is going to have massive restructuring in the next few years, but this conjecture is a little extremist. With so many economies tightly tied together, if the dollar completely collapses like in the predicted model, China and Russia will be just as bankrupt and dilapidated as the U.S. and have no power or resources to rule parts of the country. A very interesting theory, but not really sound.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • nazbags
    • 0
      nazbags  
    • I'm all for this, except New England (and maybe New york can join) gets to be its own country ... we're not buddying up with Tennessee and Kentucky

    • 3 years ago
  • Wraak
    • 0
      Wraak  
    • nazbags:

      I was thinking the same thing. No way is a southern state being bundled with new england! New York technically is in New England and I guess it'd help us if they were with us with NYC and all. :D

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Pericles_Lewnes
  • bluestranger
  • clownpuncher
  • neocongo
  • Snuff99
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      Snuff99  
    • I think the fall of The United States of America is not impossible but I feel it's a long way off. Think about the other great empires of human history and how long they lasted, then realize the incredible youth of the USA. Power-sharing...perhaps, total collapse doubtful.

    • 3 years ago
  • tanyetta
  • NickerBocker09
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      NickerBocker09  
    • He obviously doesnt study this country very well. That map makes no sense. he thinks South Carolina will join with the liberal New England? Utah and Idaho with California? nope. Those are just a couple mistakes.

      Plus it would take way more than economic troubles to make this country fall apart. You would need the government to become authoritarian.

      Need I mention the economic boost China gets from the US? So if we were to collapse how could they take over half this country...jeeze this is just absurd.

      I admit this country could fall apart, but were going to need a lot more than a recession to split us up.

    • 3 years ago
  • Dexcess
    • 0
      Dexcess  
    • This is such BS. Pure Russian propaganda. I'd like to see the day where Georgia and Alabama are under Mexican influence.

    • 3 years ago
  • HaloedGriot
  • TheMadPoet
  • Manatee_man
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