News and Politics | January 02, 2009 | 32 comments

FDR prolonged the Great Depression? Really?

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As Fox Noise and the conservative pundit world spread the republi-con meme that FDR prolonged the Great Depression with the New Deal in order to shut down Obama's economic recovery package, be armed with what the historians DO agree on:

"Upon deeper examination, I discovered that the right bases its New Deal revisionism on the short-lived recession in a year straddling 1937 and 1938. But that was four years into Roosevelt's term - four years marked by spectacular economic growth. Additionally, the fleeting decline happened not because of the New Deal's spending programs, but because Roosevelt momentarily listened to conservatives and backed off them. As Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman notes, in 1937-38, FDR "was persuaded to balance the budget" and "cut spending, and the economy went back down again."

To be sure, you can credibly argue that the New Deal had its share of problems. But overall, the numbers prove it helped - rather than hurt - the macroeconomy. "Excepting 1937-1938, unemployment fell each year of Roosevelt's first two terms (while) the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent," writes UC Davis historian Eric Rauchway.

According to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, "Only with the New Deal's rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression." In fact, even famed conservative economist Milton Friedman admitted that the New Deal's Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was "the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War.""
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  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • Most Americans, even today as wellas the past, do not understand the detriminal economic impact that the House Joint Resolutions bill ( HJR 192 bill) had on thiscountry, for years to come. It put us into bankruptcy and under the control of the European bankers.

      We are still there today.

      The New Deal was actually a raw deal.

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
  • ras_menelik
  • tbowman131
  • ras_menelik
  • damnneargenius
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  
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    • THE FIRST 100 DAYS

      Roosevelt entered office at a time when fear and panic had paralyzed the nation. In a famous passage, historian Arthur Schlesinger described the mood at FDR's inauguration: "It was now a matter of seeing whether a representative democracy could conquer economic collapse. It was a matter of staving off violence -- even, some though -- revolution."

      FDR's natural air of confidence and optimism did much to reassure the nation. His inauguration on March 4 occurred literally in the middle of a terrifying bank panic -- hence the backdrop for his famous words: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." The very next day, to prevent a run on banks, he declared a "bank holiday," closing all banks indefinitely until bankers and government could regain control of the situation. The term "holiday" was meant to give a festive air to what was actually a desperate situation, but such was FDR's desire to provide hope to the nation.

      Congress was almost entirely compliant and gave the President everything he wanted. The Emergency Banking Bill, which strengthened, reorganized and reopened the most solvent banks, was passed overwhelmingly by Congress with little debate. On March 12, Roosevelt announced that the soundest banks would reopen. On March 13, deposits at those banks exceeded withdrawals -- a tremendous relief to a worried nation. "Capitalism was saved in eight days," said Raymond Moley, a member of the President's Brain Trust.

      The bank holiday was a vivid example of the effectiveness of government intervention in an economic crisis. Hoover had allowed two previous bank panics to run their course, which contributed to over 10,000 bank failures and $2 billion in lost deposits. The bank holiday secured Roosevelt's political reputation, and convinced both Congress and the public that the New Deal was the right road to follow.

      Roosevelt's strategy consisted of two parts: first, provide relief for those who needed it most, which often involved a redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. Second, provide long-lasting reform to the nation's economy, through reorganization and the creation of new agencies. Most of Roosevelt's policies can be described as "taking from one pocket to put in the other." Fixated with a balanced budget, and fretful when it was not, Roosevelt made sure that anything given to one sector of the economy was taken from somewhere else. He did not accept Keynes' recommendation to begin heavy deficit spending, and did not do so until the threat of World War II forced him to.

      Roosevelt's legendary "First 100 Days" concentrated on the first part of his strategy: immediate relief. From March 9 to June 16, 1933, FDR sent Congress a record number of bills, all of which passed easily. These included the creation of the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA the same one that just poisoned us and denied it).

      Congress also gave the Federal Trade Commission broad new regulatory powers, and provided mortgage relief to millions of farmers and homeowners.

      The success of the First 100 Days was important, because it got the New Deal off to a strong and early start. Later, the conservative Supreme Court would declare much of the New Deal unconstitutional, and Roosevelt's political prestige would decline as his policies failed to resolve the Depression. If Roosevelt had not passed his agenda early, we would probably be without many New Deal programs we take for granted today.

    • 3 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • The second world war actually slowed the economic recovery. The tax rates were by far the best response to our economy. Taxing the rich at 90% over any income past 3 million forced the rich to pay hire wages and reinvest in there company's. Too many of today's CEO's are paid in stock dividends and give them only the desire to inflate their company's stock value by paying lower wages cutting jobs to make the performance of a company look better. Back in the good old days a family could have only one bread winner and manage to pay all there bills by a new car every couple of years put their kids through college and pay medical expenses on just the one income.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • crispyfritters
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      crispyfritters  
    • It's not so much that FDR 'prolonged' the great depression, so much that his policies weren't the total miracle that they where originally made out to be. The depression was ultimately resolved by the beginning of WWII in the late thirties. That's when the US revived the economy by supplying the Allies, and later building up its own military in order to fight alongside them.

      War may be hell, but as far is WWII is concerned, it's a pretty productive hell.

    • 3 years ago
  • petervan
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    • I don't want to pile on but...

      it's not just conservative opportunists (like the assholes at fox-spews) who doubt the efficacy, morality, and utility of the policies of FDR. (to start with there's me --and I voted for Obama)

      Here's that so conservative rag of repute the New York Times:

      "Roosevelt instituted a disastrous legacy of agricultural subsidies and sought to cartelize industry, backed by force of law. Neither policy helped the economy recover."

      "The New Deal’s legacy of public works programs has given many people the impression that it was a time of expansionary fiscal policy, but that isn’t quite right. Government spending went up considerably, but taxes rose, too... When all of these tax increases are taken into account, New Deal fiscal policy didn’t do much to promote recovery."

      "He also took steps to strengthen unions and to keep real wages high. This helped workers who had jobs, but made it much harder for the unemployed to get back to work. One result was unemployment rates that remained high throughout the New Deal period. Today, President-elect Barack Obama faces pressures to make unionization easier, but such policies are likely to worsen the recession for many Americans."

      "The good New Deal policies, like constructing a basic social safety net, made sense on their own terms and would have been desirable in the boom years of the 1920s as well. The bad policies made things worse. Today, that means we should restrict extraordinary measures to the financial sector as much as possible and resist the temptation to “do something” for its own sake."

      The author of the piece is Tyler Cowen an economist and GMU. He's not alone; With the exception of our most recent noble laureate (many feel that the timing of Paul Krugman's award was deeply political) the vast majority of modern economists (scientists who do research--and on average vote democrat by the way--) are highly skeptical of many of FDR's policies because they were based of Keynesian economics theories now know to be disastrously wrong.

      You can say that all these smart people are mistaken but... bring the facts because they sure as hell do.

      And, look, I'm not a fan of Fox's petulant punditry either, but vile and ill-considered reactions against it only serve to widen the divide.

      "We are not a nation of red states or of blue states; we are the United States of America." -B. Obama

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • petervan:

      how is setting the record straight "vile and ill considered?" that is what reporters are supposed to do...

      and paul krugman also writes for the NY Times, so if i were to quote one author from that paper, i'd take a nobel prize winner over a professor any day of the week...and don't call him winning the award politically motivated because you didn't like it.

      and also, i'm confused by the following statement:

      "many of FDR's policies ... were based of Keynesian economics theories now know to be disastrously wrong. "

      where were they proven wrong? we have be a supply-side economy for the past 30 years, and that has basically deindustrialized America and caused the crisis we are in right now. i'd love a return to keynesian economy, it's what saved capitalism from itself in the '30s and can do it again.

    • 3 years ago
  • petervan
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      petervan  
    • petervan:

      "that is what reporters are supposed to do... "

      -- call me cynical but most main-stream-media reports / and reporters in general are not "setting the record straight" rather they're either entertainers looking for ratings or they're pushing a political agenda (and politics is usually pretty indifferent to straight records).

      Do you value the opinion of a journalism major, who is paid by column inches and advertising space, over an academic or a scientist?

      Yes, Paul Krugman is both academic and journalist, and his material is worthy of consideration, but he is (this is hard to dispute) in the extreme minority in his field. That doesn't mean he's wrong, it's just worth considering (and a good reason not to take his word for the god's-own-truth). He got his noble prize for his work on "New Trade Theory" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Trade_Theory an idea that has nothing to do with his views on FDR (and is, I will be happy to admit, brilliant --but, again, unrelated to 1930's domestic policy and the new deal). And when I say the the Prize was politically motivated I don't mean he didn't deserve it, I meant the timing of the award (his research is from the 80's, this Nobel season straddles a presidential election) looked like a political statement.

      your last point: "where were they proven wrong? we have be a supply-side economy for the past 30 years, and that has basically deindustrialized America and caused the crisis we are in right now. i'd love a return to keynesian economy, it's what saved capitalism from itself in the '30s and can do it again."

      Let me first say that I disagree, respectfully. Most modern economists believe in the fallaciousness of Keynesian Economics BUT ALSO feel betrayed by the modern conservative movement. Here's a great article about how Bush's 8 years actually produced a massive increase in government regulation (corrupt regulation that rewards friends and punishes enemies) http://www.reason.com/news/show/130328.html
      Few libertarians (rather than conservatives) actually believe we EVER had a hands-off government. For the past 30 years (your number) we've had little but federal government meddling to cheat the average American in support of (if the prez is republican) big business or (if the prez is a democrat) the unions.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
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    • petervan:

      wow, i didn't think i would ever meet anyone more cynical than I used to be. congrats!

      could you give me some evidence that most economists reject keynesian theory? any links? maybe we just read different authors and magazines.

      have you read naomi klein's Shock Doctrine? I have a feeling it could be an eye opener for you.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ricky84
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    • I’m sorry to say but calling out some of FDR’s economic policies is not simply part of a “republican memo.” A lot of people believe FDR did some questionable things, including the supreme court. They did of course overturn his National Industrial Recovery Act since it was absolutely unconstitutional and damaging to the economy. Apparently Nixon takes after FDR with respect to the idea that when the president does something it can’t be illegal.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • Ricky84
  • numinant
  • 1percent
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
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    • If Fox were around in the thirties they probabaly would have joined the fascist plot to seize power in Washington. (I have even read that Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush was involved with this plot as well, (though it isn't verified.) His assets from his company Brown Harriman however, were subsequently seized for violating the Trading With The Enemies Act during WW2 when he supported I.G. Farben, the company that provided the steal to build the Nazi concentration camps.)

      They can then criticize FDR all they wish, it only shows what partisan political hypocrites they are. It was the banks that were the ones looking to seize this government and bring it down. Did they finally do it with this current bailout? Of course, Fox wouldn't dare reminisce about the depression Hoover left us in to begin with. It seems to be only Democrats that they hate.There were problems with the New Deal, but it gave jobs and hope to many who had lost everything.That main premise seems to get lost in all of the jockeying to rewrite history.

    • 3 years ago
  • numinant
  • BuddyP
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      BuddyP  
    • You Want Your History? It's A Mystery. Kaiser Cheifs

      This revisionist history stuff has no validity in reality.

      Ohh snap that rhymed. Word

    • 3 years ago
  • Johnny_Danger
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  • Future_America
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      Future_America  
    • I'm not an economy expert and I'm not defending Fox Noise, but I found this video that's related to this story. The New Deal did have some problems and hopefully Obama won't repeat those problems.

    • 3 years ago
  • neocongo
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • Funny how some will distort the truth rather than change their opinion.

      FAUX news is corrupt to the core and without the possibility of redemption.

      Conservatives have had control for quite some time and brought us to the brink of economic collapse.

    • 3 years ago
  • crob80227
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      crob80227  
    • I've heard this too. (eye roll)

      Ranks right up there on the believability-scale with Holocaust Deniers.

      The Republicans are pretty far gone mentally and we should all work to make sure they get the best psychiatric care available.

    • 3 years ago
  • crispyfritters
  • Pythagoras_of_Samos
  • neocongo
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      neocongo  
    • Revisionist history at its finest. If you can't achieve political victory through sound policy and coherent ideology, change history!

    • 3 years ago
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