News and Politics | January 03, 2009 | 30 comments

Did Bush already pardon himself, 3 years ago?

source: http://www.newstrend.com/2006/10/war-crimes-detainees-bush.html

tbowman131
I just came across this clip from CNN, regarding a bill passed back in 2006:

"Buried deep inside the War Crimes Detainee bill recently passed by the House, is a provision that would pardon President Bush and his administration for violation of the Geneva conventions. Some of these crimes are violations punishable by death.

President Bush seeks to Pardon himself and his administration in advance for violating the Geneva Conventions in an effort to avoid possible prosecution in the future."

Is this why Bush hasn't bothered to pardon himself and his administration?
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  • Pongo_Pigpen
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      Pongo_Pigpen  

    • Shame the good folks of the USA cant arrange for Bush,Rumsfeld and Cheyney to be dropped off unarmed in downtown Baghdad- that would be fair justice.

    • 2 years ago
  • isnamthere
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      isnamthere  

    • The reason Bush will get away with his CRIMES are because he and his legal army have so carefully covered his ass along with all of the blackmail he and his team have held over the heads of influential dems. Bush is nothing less than an organized crime boss and his administration has used the same tactics of organized crime to keep the opposition, whether it be from congress or the bench, in line. Katanajon, you and any others who try to defend or excuse Bush and his team are nothing but dingleberries on the ass of this society.

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
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      Katanajon  

    • Asheep and the rest of you dreamers, BUSH isn't a war criminal. at all, in any way, no how, Screw 8th grade civics. Why don't you take 8th grade History, or watch the cable news or anything besides Trying to insight the Starbucks revolution you wish you could start. 50% of America still loves the man, get a grip. Go pick nits out of your dreeds or something. No charges for ANYTHING will ever be filed.

    • 3 years ago
  • dissimulator
  • Wrabon
  • foebea
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      foebea  
    • Katanajon:

      No matter what 50% of the people think, if bush and his administration broke with geneva convention (they actually decided it does not apply to them) then they are war criminals.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • BeatTheChip
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      BeatTheChip  
    • Katanajon:

      You should count how many people on this forum don't agree with you and understand that the military has entitlement issues a.k.a CORPORATE WELFARE. We don't owe the armed services a living, GET A JOB!!

    • 3 years ago
  • wayseeker
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      wayseeker  

    • Bush won't be convected of anything. He will go home to his ranch, draw his considerable retirement money, feel satisfied that he got away with fingering the constitution and everyone will treat him with total respect as a past President. We will be left with a bad taste in our mouths but we will swallow and go on feeling a little more helpless and a lot less secure with our government. After they've dedicated his library and tell how he saved the nation in a time of crises we will again get that taste in our mouths and we will open it to say something but we wont. We will instead swallow the lump in our throats and once again go on.

    • 3 years ago
  • BeatTheChip
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      BeatTheChip  
    • wayseeker:

      Petrinda is infected with the exact do-nothing, take it lying down attitude our elitist predecessors have attempted to grind into our psyche. The nations of this planet are giving us the grace to get this guy out of the seat. He will go down in history as the worst president to have ever attempted to lead this nation. He is one man and assumed he could do better by claiming "national security" vs. national soverignty, due process and our Constitution. My point, is that the people who opposed him from the beginning, knew we were being mislead, voted in people like Nancy Pelosi - a beltway turncoat serving global imperialist agendas. Their collusions attempted to kick us back past 1776 in 1542 - before people had the sense to leave a monarchy. THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED. There are fewer people who think like Petrinda and more who intend to serve and die by their birthright: a bill of rights and the declaration of independence. They are not sitting by and "letting it happen". Bush and his cronies are outnumbered. They can abide by the law or answer to it, just like everyone else.

    • 3 years ago
  • foebea
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      foebea  

    • Regardless of any bill he put through, if the world decides he is a war criminal they can arrest and try him if he goes to another country. Or if they decide its bad enough, they could take a page from bush's playbook and invade the states and forcibly remove him for trial. but then they would be stuck in a quagmire and have to fight an insurgency which uses terror tactics (like not standing in a line like a proper army, or using improvised weapons).. they probably wont do that.

      I would however advise bush to not make plans to travel abroad. Just in case :D

    • 3 years ago
  • Lazybones
  • foebea
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      foebea  
    • foebea:

      I totally agree. I don't think there's a single nation on the face which would actually dare touch us with anything stronger than a slap on the wrist. I was just trying to convey that a bill passed by bush does not hold any weight outside of the us.

    • 3 years ago
  • Lazybones
  • mariposablanca
  • csmonut
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      csmonut  

    • In one way or another, they're all in bed together.
      I sincerely do not believe Bush and Co. will be brought to justice.
      Everybody concerned just wants to "move on."
      And what are they?
      They are doomed! :)

    • 3 years ago
  • asherp
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      asherp  

    • Our Congress has done nothing to hold him accountable, and the Democrats under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi have fought tooth and nail to make sure that Bush is NOT investigated and NOT held accountable.

      Of course, many members of the Democratic party knew about the illegal activities of the Bush government while they were going on, were privy to secret information, and either did nothing or were complicit in the acts, giving the executive branch laws that it wanted, and a total lack of oversight that allowed our federal government to commit illegal acts with impunity.

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • Katanajon:

      since when is torture the job of an american president?

      don't forget, the US convicted and put to death japanese who waterboarded US soldiers during WWII. what were they convicted of? torture.

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • Katanajon:

      please tell me that you don't believe that after sept 11 there is no longer the rule of law? no more constitution? no more geneva convention? no more habeas corpus?

      if that is what you believe, i beg you reread the declaration of independence and constitution

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
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      Katanajon  
    • Katanajon:

      The attackers aren't afforded the Geneva rules. Have you been locked away? Congress, approved it all. Convict him of being a lousy orator but War Crimes? You are living in a fairy tale.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
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    • Katanajon:

      sorry to burst your bubble, but the Supreme Court (remember them, the other branch of government?) ruled that they ARE afforded the Geneva rules. Congress DID approve the Military Commission Act but the Supreme Court rightly ruled it unconstitutional.

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
  • tbowman131
    • 0
      tbowman131  
    • Katanajon:

      how is determining constitutionality "legislating" from the bench? that is what they are supposed to do.

      their only role is to act as a check against the legislative branch. i'm so sick and tired of hearing that the courts shouldn't "legislate" from the bench. its such a specious argument.

    • 3 years ago
  • asherp
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      asherp  
    • Katanajon:

      Katanajon needs to go back to 8th grade civics class.

      1) We don't live in a fiat dictatorship. We have laws. The government must follow them. The supreme law of the land is the US constitution which says what the government can and cannot do. After that there is the United States Code for domestic law, which is a list of all the federal domestic laws on the books. In the USC and constitution both, we have outlawed torture. Then for military applications, there is the Uniform Military Code, which ALSO outlaws torture. Torture is already expressedly illegal 9 ways till sundown, and I haven't even gotten to international treaties we've signed.

      2) We don't live in a pure democracy. We live in a representative democratic republic. As a republic, Individuals have rights as guaranteed under the US Constitution, the USC, State Constitutions, State Codes, and municipal law, and the function of government at all levels is to protect those rights and ensure the well-being of society, not undermine them. We cannot legally decide willy-nilly to round people up, torture them, search their houses without warrants, or lynch people. Our government has recently gone very far astray from it is supposed to be, and this is largely thanks to people like Katanajon who are ignorant of very basic civics lessons.

      Thankfully, it would seem that for the majority of Americans that jingoistic fervor after 9-11 has passed, and we've regained some semblance of rational thought.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • Katanajon:

      Anybody that tries to slip in a pardon knows he did something wrong and doesn't want to get in trouble for it.
      I wonder why else it says that "Bush and his administration will be pardoned of any war crimes." Geez, I wonder WHY he would do that himself. Gets you to think doesn't it?

    • 3 years ago
  • randomprojection
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      randomprojection  
    • Katanajon:

      no sir. just because that awful thing happened on our soil (which, frankly, can be pretty conclusively tied to government negligence at best, but that is another can of worms entirely) does not mean that we get to do whatever the fuck we want to. saddam hussein was hanged for war crimes that probably aren't half of what this administration has swept under the rug, so like. unto. like.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wrabon
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      Wrabon  
    • Katanajon:

      hang Bush too!! Please, I swear I won't ask for anything for a long time. I'll even shut up about marijuana for the next 4 years if you'll Hang Bush. I want to see his fat head pop off like that guy in the video the he showed us.

    • 3 years ago
  • BeatTheChip
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      BeatTheChip  

    • At some point, sobriety kicks in. People have to understand that the Constitution and the rule of law, overrides all three branches of the U.S. government. No one is above the law.
      Unfortunately, if our President does not suffer the just consequences of his actions, we will inherit the consequences of his actions. As a people, we will confront the blowback from outraged Nations and suffer profoundly. We have to take responsibility for our leader's mistakes. Otherwise, we can fear someone will execute justice in our ineptitude. We won't have any say so in how it comes to our doors then.

    • 3 years ago
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