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i'm sure the atheist and the Xstian would disagree with your assertion of "no validity." There is proof, and the distortion is in its sterilized propagandized "community" interpretation that tries to delimit OTHER interpretations or worldviews totally irrelevant to the actual science, or any believer or unbeliever's ability to perform science. Xstianity doesn't say "there's only one way to look at this" Xstianity says "this is the way, YOU *choose* to believe it, or don't believe it in an instant, but, in fact you have to believe it for it to work in your life. Belief is the key. The bible says as a man "thinketh," so is he. If we believe, sometimes you can be absolutely awestruck with the results.
I've heard of some miracles before but have never really personally seen them. But prayer has been answer quite particularly that I can attest to. Years ago I remember doing sound for this pentecostal thing and I'm not really one for tongues and a lot of what so many of you would consider a real "Hallelujah" but I was getting a word a prophecy from someone not know what to believe, so giving it a chance, I kept asking and kept asking as I was getting this "word" for the Lord Himself to confirm it and tell me in the same word that I was a warrior =) hehe... "And..." the 'prophet' finished "the Lord says to tell you that you are a warrior in His army." It was like a kick in the ass, I tell ya!!! LOL Honestly I'm really not as spiritual as I probably should be lol =D but that's a true story about ANSWERED prayer in a word of confirmation. CRAZY, right? =D I make no apologies for it! =D

The difference is that religion is completely made up, but real evidence in the real world supports the big bang theory - it's not something that is 'just believed' on faith.

Why do you claim that it is a probable likelihood that god exists instead of just admitting it is something you have faith in? Do you have evidence? God is not an automatic filler for those gaps in science which we do not yet fully understand. If evidence came about to completely disprove the big bang, it would no longer be accepted as a credible theory. The big bang theory came about from actually observing the universe. As it stands now, all of the evidence supports that there was a big bang. Does science claim it as dogma or true by fiat. Heck no. It is not fully understood.

I accept the big bang as the best explanation we have now, because the evidence supports it. If new scientific discoveries come about, I could change my mind. I follow the facts, not fantasy. Yes indeed it takes faith to believe in the supernatural. It does not take faith to follow the actual evidence and consider that the big bang likely really did happen. It would take faith to believe in it if it were debunked or had no evidence to back it up - like Christianity.

We know the bible makes false scientific and historical claims. We also know the Jesus story is recycled from religions that came before it. To continue to believe in it having that knowledge takes a lot of faith.

the big-bang is the "best" and inadequate GODLESS explanation anyone can conceive of, but you do without a doubt, presuppose an unintelligent designer who wouldn't have the ability to care for his creation, much less have the finesse or the savvy to communicate with man through cultures across time, in any manner of His choosing, and whether you or I find it likely, or believable or not. Yet, you and I, our consciousness is trapped in these three dimensions, (though scientists keep thinking there are many more because they know the universe is absolutely incredibly infinite)...and we're trapped in unstoppable limitless time.

The bible says the Lord hung the stars from nothing. Isn't that observably (or how would you loftily put it..."scientifically"?) true? The bible says that the things which are created, were created from things which are unseen. Isn't that also "scientifically" true? Have you ever seen an atom, or can you explain that a photon of light can be in two different places at once? But this also wouldn't preclude the fact that God-fearing men have, in fact, made great discoveries in "science." Count your gravity that still no one really understands as a "weaker" force, as one of them.

You can't discount a religious world-view or approach to creation and/or science simply because you won't entertain it for just the self-admittedly "best" but inadequate that YOU have. The big bang is also just a theory and for that, one that requires possibly even more faith to believe, and therefore on equal footing with a God-created universe. How does one suppose that the material for the big bang all happened upon each by such sudden coincidence? The "big bang" doesn't even care to explain it!

The bible says that there was nothing before God called light into being. And knowing the nature of light to travel at tremendous speeds, would it take much imagination to conceive of an explosion of light? Then the bible says God separated the light and the darkness... Giving a little, knowing the nature of black holes and quasars and other light-bearing entities, could that also be in some accord with what you generally observe as exclusive to this "big bang" theory??? Hmmm... Astronomers, knowing the finely-tuned extremely delicate balance to life as we know it, can't even come up with plausible solutions (anticipating the "big bang" theory as fact) as to why we have such huge belts/orbitals in the outer systems....even minute deviations render life and the universe as we know it as quite highly-improbable as to be absolutely impossible. To the brightest minds intimate with the actual facts and details, they know the big bang as "the best" they have, is still highly inadequate to explain the mystery of the universe. It's as you say, merely, "the best" they can do. But does that merit truth? Looking at black holes and the astounding amounts of gamma ray explosions going off inexplicably all over the universe, that do not support or coincide with what they'd expect even from the most flexible "big bang" theories forces them to go back to the drawing board time and time again to revise their versions of the "facts" given astounding energies they never contemplated but are faced with to just hope the mysteries may eventually unravel.

I see the universe as being based on incomprehensible infinities and wild uncertainty which science seems to support, despite the fact our universe is governed by inexplicable laws. Amazing! So why can't there be a more proper consideration to those taking faith there is a God, when scientists rarely agree amongst themselves? Why are Xstians singled out as stupidly pursuing science for a faith that quite possibly makes better sense and presupposes no deviation from affirmed scientific methods? The crap that's being shitted out by the fraternity of universities and colleges throughout the world is based merely on bias, and denies freethinking of any faith except that which the miracle of evlution and the big bang demand as blindly in the light of bigotry.

I don't mean to be rude but you use a lot of words to say very little. You said a lot, so I have a lengthy response for you. None of what you are saying changes the fact that your 'evidence' for god is that YOU don't accept the big bang theory. You are right in that the big bang is not fully understood. Your conclusion is that it must have been magic (god) then, but your conclusion does not logically follow. Just because you don't have an answer for something does not mean that god must have done it.

You are crying out that christians are singled out. Well we live in America here, and that's the religion we are all most familiar with, but rest assured that all supernatural creation myths of all religions are equally false. If you say that science must completely explain the big bang for it to be a credible theory, then the burden falls upon creationists to explain if god created everything, who created god. You will have some sunday school twist of logic as your answer or a non-answer like god is infinite. Sorry but that doesn't cut it. That's when you have to admit that you are basing your beliefs 100% on faith. It's just what you want to believe. Born elsewhere or at a different time, you might have believed differently.

You may also not use the bible to prove itself. Saying anything to the effect of "The bible is true because it says so and it is the word of god." Not that you said that, but if the bible is your source of information, you have no evidence that the bible really is the word of god. There is no reason to blindly believe everything in it. Doesn't prove anything. Again, you need faith. You do not need faith to accept science. There is no magic in science. It is observation and experimentation. Does it have all of the answers? No. Does it claim to. No.

The bible has verses in it that shows the primitive understanding of its authors. God created night and day before the sun? The sun revolves around the earth? The earth is flat? Before you say that the bible doesn't say that, answer why the church didn't admit that the earth was spherical and revolved around the sun until the 1990's. Why did it punish people who claimed the truth as heretics? Because the bible is scientifically inaccurate and freethinking is not a good thing in religion.

I know you are clueless because of your understanding of what atheism is. And your rejection of science is absurd. You use a lot of fluff words to muddle and confuse your point, too.

I am an atheist and have no desire for a one-world government. Nor would I want to send storm troopers after anybody. I do not want the world to be grey. Science is not all-knowing, nor is it god. I am an atheist precisely because I think with my own head. What you do is not thinking. Using god as an explanation for things you don't understand is an excuse to not think at all. How do you know that the particular religion you have is the right one over any of the countless others? It is impossible for you to prove.

You can go ahead and reject evolution and deny the fossil and DNA evidence, but my head is in reality. I don't make up magical answers just because it makes me feel good. What is this undeniable purpose of the universe of which you speak? Do you claim to know? We are a tiny blue dot in an effectively infinite sea of stars, planets, galaxies, etc. Why create all that -- so we would have a pretty night sky to look at? What purpose do diseases serve? To punish the sinners? Why do some babies die? What purpose does that serve? You mention god-fearing a lot. Are you proud of the fact that your benevolent god is something to fear above all else. Fear before love and kindness? Is that why you believe in god -- because if you don't he'll set you on fire forever? Doesn't sound so benevolent to me.

Yeal, you're a real poet all right. But don't get excited because you will only be selling your poetry to people who can't read.

=D yes *sigh* ..."alas"...I'm sorry I will certainly be most giddy at heart to disappoint you. thanks for entertaining my disagreement. It shows such vibrant intense color and vitality in a world of active more colorful ideas, doesn't it? rather much more desirable than just this anti-Xstian (and by extension, anti-religious) promulgated, grey, dull, lifeless, unflappably sledge-hammered-homogenous "we only know what 'they' determine we should know" mind fuq that barrs all the shimmering nuances of possibility in color and the combinations of limitless pallettes the spectrum offers with just a little imagination to use them for what they're worth. You all so droning and moaning, complaining the world isn't as lifeless as you'd imagine, acting as if someone put a gun to your head never to dress in grey again, do so remind me of that "you should ALL be grey, like US" 1984 Apple commercial, but, you're about to get your sledgehammer back for all the unsettling truth that the big bang is but a blanket for bullshit some fool told you to take as though it was (mistakenly) the ONLY 'respectable' view to reality, scoffing as you go along at those who'd beg to differ. What self-ingratiating fools. You might have your day when Xstianity is outlawed, but until then, I'll be grateful to respond in kind to the kindness shown for differences unresolvable =D and not for your sakes, pay no mind, but to those with "ears to hear" there is MUCH more than what you arrogant fuqs would pretend to the rest of us.

what a debbi downer....

these stories are fun and offer people a place to vent and share perspective.

If you really wanted to plug your story you should have posted a link - I would have gone and checked it out; even though it sounds boring.

I would recommend psychiatry.

I lol'd at this site.

Pascal's Wager is just hedging your bets. It's not faith in God for the right reasons, just hope out of fear

with all due respect:

there is no god, and Jesus was not divine, just some cool dead dude.

peace

what an self-aggrandizing asshole you are unihomofaggottrix0 ;D

Ok, now first things first. Echoz, gay slurs, not cool. Now that that's out of the way, Unimatrix, there is no way that you could know whether or not that there is a God. And considerering that you were not alive 2000 years ago there is no way you could whether or not anything in the Bible is true. Now just because you have not personally witnessed something or it is beyond your realm of experience doesn't make it true. Perhaps if you turned off the matrix and stopped pretending to be a robot from some sci fi movie and actually went for a walk around your neighborhood. Hell just get out of the city and into the country for an afternoon, you would probably expand your horizons and the fresh air would probably clear your brain enough to keep you from making stupid statements. All things considered I do believe in God, and if you don't like it oh well. I'm not gonna force my ideas and beliefs down your throat any more than you should force yours down others Now I finish with a paraphrased quote from Voltaire regarding free speech, "Sir I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

read the post above you. your definition of agnostic is a little off.

god's non existence does not need to be proved.

god's existence does need to be proved, the fact that there is no such proof is a convincing argument for atheism.

I forgot to mention here because i had said it in other replies in this thread but I myself am atheist.

Not so much anti-religion as just the absence of.

Yes atheism is a religion is a religion, it takes more faith to believe that everything is by chance or evolution than to believe in a Supreme Creator.

Ohhh crob80227...what is Gaza but the thorn that shall reside in Israel all its days. To understand an important book poorly is a truly dangerous thing. I don't disagree with you in theory. Both the religious and the anti-religious have used their ideology to justify actions and thoughts which are contradictory to their central themes. That was essentially my point and thank you for getting it. I can not and will not try to justify the actions of priests who molest their congregation. I will not even judge them except to say theirs will be a difficult course to justify WHEN judgment comes. We must each be accountable to ourselves and what course of actions we intend/intended to follow. God does not make anyone anything. God inspires one to become something and what one becomes inspired to become as a result of worshiping God says more about the individuals understanding as much as about God. As for the actions of the Catholic Church, re: sex scandal and ensuing cover up, you should do a little research on its origins. Good luck what ever course you decide to follow.

You base your arguments on some perverted catholic Priest. Gaza, I am so sick of hearing about Gaza! If the bastards in Hamas would stop attacking Israel DAILY from land Israel RETURNED to them this self-preservation attack would not have occured! These people who support Hamas & are members of Hamas
stated goal is the death of every Israeli & destruction of Israel!!! They are reaping the terror,Murder,bloodshed,
they have sown ever since the extremist bastards killed their former "brothers" & seized control of Gaza! Why do you not talk about Zimbabwe where Robert Mugabe has jailed over one-hundered thousand & murdered as many more for not supporting his dictatorship, There is a huge cholera epedimic going on now, Mugabe refuses Int. Doctors,etc...He blames this on the former white colonial goverment, He has been the ruler over 25 years, That is where people are dying by the thousands weekly, Over 2 million efugees fleeing Mugabe, All the think-straight SINNERS can talk about is Gaza, It's the 'in' thing at University's, etc, i guess.
If you really want to 'jump' a criminal country & HELP,
Try Mugabe's Zimbabwe! I remember when it was one of Africas showplaces, That is when it was RHODESIA!
There were no epedemics, It imported several resources, (none now) Health care, etc, Now they are a poverty, Welfare Nation ran by a murderous Dictator! Ask the majority of residents if they would like to go back to Rhodesian times, I HAVE, & YES was the overwhelming answer. Gaza is nothing on the big picture as far as daily deaths go. Israel is risking her troops lifes in order to keep civilian casulities as low as they can on the ground. Wake up! Unless you are a hard-core Islamist, These bastards want you dead to! (Hamas) THEY started this op, They are responsible for anything that has happened, I have seen a dog with rabies, You cannot appease it with anything, It truly reminds me of Hamas! To train CHILDREN to blow themselves up, Telling all if you kill an Israeli you are going to paradise, There is no way any sane individual can support Hamas! If you do..Well i guess you are looking forward to those rivers of honey & the 72 virgins you will be rewarded for murdering any man, woman, or child who does not beleive excatly as you do! LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!

no heaven, no hell, just death. you and I are just animals.

The only stupidity is believing in some supernatural non-sense.

Stereotyping is bad. Please don't lump me in with people like that.

You got that backwards. Atheists do not 'buy' into anything. We reject claims of the supernatural. It's sad that you look forward to the imaginary day that everyone who disagrees with you will be humiliated by your imaginary god. At least you won't be disappointed when there is nothing after death. You will just cease to exist, just like the rest of us.

"Yahoo, I believe in God and my shotgun."

certainly would not make claims to some supernatural realm with gods and angels and devils. that would be committing intellectual suicide.

Well that depends on what one would consider intellectual and certainly would depend on having experienced it. I have experienced the supernatural in the presence of others who have as well and while we may have all simultaneously had the same psychotic episode, I prefer to believe what my heart mind and soul were telling me. If there are ghosts, then there is more than this world. If that, then what? That is the ultimate question which each must answer for themselves. Good luck. Choose wisely.

If seeing ghosts or supernatural events is related to some kind of residual energy left behind then saying it happened in the presence of others really means nothing because you would have all been exposed equally.

"even smart people"

some smart people are weak and need a crutch, hence god. The strong and smart do not need a supernatural fairy tale. There is no god.

Einstein was not religious and when he referenced God it was only metaphorically.

Studies (Bell, Paul. "Would you believe it?" Mensa Magazine, UK Edition, Feb. 2002, pp. 12–13) have shown that the higher one's education level or intelligence, the less likely it is that he/she will be religious.

lol!

That was funny! LOL

I think the benefit comes from society getting used to the fact that there are atheists. Unless you are atheist, you might not know that we are discriminated against.

There is a lot of propaganda that we all hate god and are mean people and have no morals. I don't think the ad campaign's intent is to convert the world to atheism. I think it will just help to just get the atheist message out there and maybe religious people will become more familiar and accepting of atheism as a legitimate point of view even if they still disagree with its premise.

Most if not all high profile religious figures are.

Richard Dawkins is not a religious figure. He's an evolutionary scientist and an atheist apologist. Atheism is not a religion. Nobody looks up to him like how a Catholic person would look up to a priest.

I highly respect him as an evolutionary scientist and his atheist arguments are fantastic too. I don't know why you think he's a hack. He's definitely no hack in his field and he's not making any radical arguments that most atheists don't make themselves anyways.

daveguy, that's not true at all. I've never met an atheist who claims to "know for a fact that no gods exist". Not one. And I'm the president of an atheist group and am actively involved in four local groups, three of which are explicitly atheist. Now as for knowing PARTICULAR entities don't exist - there's nothing wrong with that. A god who created man but didn't use the process of evolution definitely doesn't exist because evolution definitely happened.

@daveguy

It's not that I think i can prove god doesn't exist without a doubt. It's that I know well enough for myself that he doesn't exist and what mechanics created and control our universe. I really feel that science just explains things so much better and completely.

Also agnostics don't believe there probably isn't a god. They believe that you cannot have true knowledge of gods existence, but that fact doesn't prove he doesn't exist.

hmm,

im no athiest, but i do believe there is a higher power out there somewhere, however i cannot prove it, i just have faith, but on with what i was gonna say,

in my own opinion, science is crap, and evolution is crap, (crap being an extreme understatement) evolution in my opinion is just some made up bullshit because man couldn't understand something, so he made something up to make the pieces fit together, just like everything else in the world. Go ahead and scoff, but if you look at the bigger picture here, everything man has done in the last 2000 years is complete crock. if you read about jesus christ, you'll find some articles and people devoting there life to try to disprove him because they cant understand him at all, then theres evolution, Scientology etc etc... If you keep looking at mans history, theres the american intelligence, trying to cover up things that cant be explained, whose to say that this or that didnt happen? how can you prove or disprove it? why is it there or not there? i can go on and on but my class bell is about to go and class is about to end, so i'll talk more when im at home, this is something i'd like to further discuss if anyone wants to.

@shadyattackk

I find it hilarious that you lump evolution in with all this other stuff you mention. You act like evolution isn't something you could go outside and find evidence of yourself. The evidence is all around you if you would only open your eyes.

Here's a recent article here on current related to this.
http://current.com/items/89681019/top_10_signs_of_evolution_in_modern_man.htm

And another article from the NYTimes regarding recent evidence of evolution (in the past 5000 years).
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/science/10cnd-evolve.html?hp&ex=1165

@ TReaper

i wasn't just lumping it altogether i was merely using that as an example on how mans stupidity has "evolved" into something more stupid lol,

and im not saying evolution isnt real, im just saying, monkey to man is a little far fetched, just because we resemble each other, that doesnt mean we've evolved from them, im saying there's other possibilities, you can't just say ONLY this happened and tell me to open MY eyes when you yourself (and everyone else in this world who hasnt) checked out every possible explanation, i mean really if we evolved from monkeys, shouldnt the monkeys be STILL evolving around us? shouldnt those stages that scientists show where we still have alot of hair and a hunch back still be running around? if we really did evolve from monkeys, why are the monkeys still here? shouldnt they be all people now? (that last one was lame but still the effect is there,) and if evolution is correct, why did only monkeys evolve? did they eat something to help them? or what? (im waaaaaaay off topic now but whatever)

and yeah, atheists are somewhat annoying, it's like " ok chill lets just say i believe in something, and you don't" buuuuut nooooooooooo atheists have to be like " FUCK YOU THERE IS NO GOD FUCK YOU THERE IS NO HIGHER POWER!!! GRR RAWRR!!! " (well the atheists i know do that if you mention a higher power or something along those lines)

there is no god, there is no higher power, there is no supernatural

but I spoke in a normal tone of voice

I never said we came from monkeys, i just said evolution didn't deserve to me lumped in those things and that there is evidence of evolution all around you. Evolution doesn't mean we came from monkeys, it just means we evolved from some other creature at some point, the monkey thing is just the most common belief. I personally feel that the only reason evolution isn't accepted as scientific fact is religion. It's been holding humanity back for thousands of years.

About the intermediate stages running around it just doesn't work that way. The intermediate stages that got us here evolved and died out for a reason.

@daveguy:

you are mistaken. Atheists are not a religious group. We do not subscribe to any religion. It's not like we go to the church of atheism. Also, as others have pointed out, atheists don't typically claim that God has been 100% disproven.

I am an atheist, and all that should mean to you is that I don't belong to any religion whatsoever because I don't consider their claims to be true. I do not believe that any God exists. I am not on the fence about it -- I flat out don't believe at all, but I'm not going to say that there is absolutely no way that I'm wrong. I'm not going to claim that it is a fact that there is no God. How could I? Religious people make claims with 100% certainty based on faith, not atheists.

I consider the chance that a God exists to be quite quite small. Agnostic isn't the right term for me, but technically everyone is agnostic because nobody knows.

@shadyattackk:
Lumping evolution together with scientology is absurd. One is science, the other a religion. One is backed up with scientific evidence. The other was invented by a science fiction author. It is frustrating when people deny evolution. As someone else mentioned, there is evidence everywhere for it. We evolved from apes (as did gorillas, orangutans, and chimps). That which we evolved from exists no more. We did not evolve from "monkeys".

There is fossil evidence for all of this. This is not 'made up'. Science is not made up. Religion is. Science comes from observing things in the real world. There really is no denying evolution. How do you explain the Neanderthal? We were not the same species as them.

"My way is only may way , not better or worse just different "

excellent video.

It's nice to see that it is possible to benefit from the Bible without having to be religous.

As Dawkins would say, "Nothing's impossible. Just highly improbable."

Many declared "atheists" are actually agnostics. Personally, I bounce back and forth between the two. Logically, I cannot KNOW for sure what the broader nature of human existence is, no one can. (Although the majority claims to). All of the evidence that I've gathered in my 47 years leads me to BELIEVE that there is no god or set of rules handed down from on high. Only manmade crap recycled again and again. Having said that, sometimes i believe the evidence for my belief to be so overwhelming that I consider myself to be an atheist. But the reality is, that as a human being I cannot possibly KNOW that a god doesn't exist, I can only site evidence for having serious, long term doubts that any god does exist. So in relation to the bus sign, I think it's right on!

In theory am agnostic, because I simply do not know with absolute certainty.

However, in practice I am an atheist. I live my life as if there is no god because point of fact there is no good evidence to support the claim.

the "probably" is what makes the whole campaign so appropriate. Religion hands out certainty (which is why the very religious out there can be so dangerous... because if you KNOW the truth you're more likely to die/kill/do anything in defense of it)

Doubt is the very fundamental of a reasonable world view.

Beware of dogma. Atheists don't subscribe to dogma, and tend to be very rational. 'Probably' is the right word. Technically speaking everyone is agnostic because there is not a single person alive who knows for sure.

I call myself atheist because it is highly improbable that any god exists - I just don't accept the religious arguments because there is no evidence to support them. My mom calls herself a Christian because she has faith, but nobody knows.

the bus behind reads: because I'm already a good person without religion.

Because it's only LOGICAL. You may need someone to risk their life for you or a family member in the future. Logic is the basis for all morality....not some fantasy god floating around in the sky punishing people for being immoral.

Great videos and article! :)

I'm compete agreement. I guess the problem in this country isn't not being able to promote atheism, it's not being able to attack religion for the fragmentation it breeds.

Ya, what Mr_Costello said.

I didin't think athisim was a religion. I thought it mean't you did not believe in religion. (I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, Thats really what I thought. And I don't think they should not be allowed to advertise their beliefs)Also please explain the word agnostic.