Obama team again responds to the pot question. "NO"
source: http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/open_for_questions_round_2_response/
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During this second round, we decided to leave the voting open significantly longer, but even with that extra time we were surprised to see the final totals: 103,512 people submitted 76,031 questions and cast 4,713,083 votes. We can now be confident that the success of the first round was not just about a new trick, but just a hint of the willingness of the public to permanently change the way they interact with their government. There’s plenty of room to grow.
For this round we refined the process to make it more user-friendly, and broke out the questions into categories. We think this made for a more interesting experience, and ensured that a broader array of questions could get exposure. But we also wanted to try a new way of responding to the questions, so this time instead of text answers, we asked incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs to sit down with us. Since there were so many popular questions in so many categories, we tried to pull out some of them that had been addressed previously by the President-elect or Vice President-elect in order to focus the video portion on questions that haven’t been as specifically addressed during the Transition ...
“Will you consider legalizing cannabis/marijuana/hemp so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it, and create millions of new jobs and create a multi-billion dollar industry right here in the US?”—DJ C, Chicago, IL
Open for Questions Response, 12/15/08: “President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana".”
The explanation of why we got that the first time was the main question this time; or among the most asked group. Why do they refuse to explain this no? Surely there's a reason. Apparently it's such a secret why it remains illegal they're refusing to even talk about it. I have to admit that this is a smart political move if you want the prohibition to remain in place. A lot of folks know very little about marijuana, and the transition team is making sure they stay that way. Evil doesn't like the light.
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I'm going to put it bluntly, Obama seems to have changed his stance on the war on pot, and sounds like he wants to keep this rediculas thing going....
He was the one to say he wanted to look at legalization before he officially got into office....Just like he changed his stance on giving NASA money....So far from what I'm seeing from Obama is double-talk.
He said all of the nessessary things that people wanted to hear in order to appeal to a larger community of peoples and got their votes.
I think he was reported saying about a mill or a bill for NASA, now in office he says we got better to spend that money on, He also says hes going to continue on the war for Osama Bin Laden where last presidency failed, and lastly now he's saying NO for legalization.So there you have it, 3 important topics he has already gone back on and he's been offically in office for how long? Yeah I'm sick of Presidents lying to get our vote.
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jubal
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Heinlein rocks. Great comment about the opinions of RAH.
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jubal
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ElectroPig
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It's nice to see that the majority of responses on this topic are well thought out and detailed considerations of fact over fear/fiction/propaganda.
Hopefully, if such active thinking continues, we may yet see things get back into a "politically" honest and realistic form in the future after all!
The biggest step that needs to be taken at this point, strangely enough, is not full-fledged legalization, or even decriminalization, but scientific research. The fact is that, the more scientific research--and by that I mean REAL science, not "contrived science" or "junk research" designed with the outcome written before the actual experiments are even begun--occurs, the more concrete information will be available when the time does come for (likely first) decriminilization, and then legalization.
I ask you all two simple questions, however, which is at the real root of this issue:
1) If you are truly free, why do you need permission from the government to do anything?
2) If your government really cared about your health, why would they spend billions of dollars each and ever year to make absolutely certain that if you injest such substances that have been proven time and again to make you healthy?
These are two very often overlooked facets of the same situation...remember, people: We can not combat--and finally, eradicate--any problem unless we address all issues surrounding it.
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jubal
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I mean...results don't mean anything when you're using something ILLEGAL as the basis for the cure, right?
This is a great question and gets at the heart of the problem. The vital medicine and research are being prevented from being researched because, besides patent empowerment by various states and countries in the world, most governments are still, knowingly or not, buying into the myths about cannabis rather than really taking a look at the facts. Many have already specualted which corporations or industries stand the most to loose from free or virtually free medicine.
Education is the key to getting people to understand the facts about cannabis. It will take time for people to become knowledgeable about how it works and what other ways there are to consume the medicine besides inhaling it.
There are many other uses, the plant is a vital resource for health, food, energy, and building materials that we have and we are squandering it; at the moment. Why? Because a select group of corporations and governments; institutions that seem to have integrated over the past 40 years, collude to keep the public misinformed about what is available to control commerce and economics; to sustain profits and cash flows. At the expense of the quality of human life on the planet; the destruction of the environment; and the gradual murder of mankind.
Cannabis legalization would empower local communities with an incredible cash generating resource that could virtually eliminate the need for people to borrow money, especially those that were entrepreneurial and small business minded. It doesn't matter that these people would be paying taxes, because that is not where the real money making occurs, but in the lending money and the charging of interest. Cannabis would terribly tread upon the banks profits of interest due to less people needing to borrow money. This is an effect that comes along with the huge impact Cannabis would have on the medical profit making system. We are talking about huge buck; in the billions of dollars every year.
Cannabis is about empowering the individual and puts them on a more even ground with massive multinational corporations and governments. Cannabis is about local economic empowerment. It helps everybody from the top to the bottom. It will create literally millions of jobs.
If Obama was as smart, as so many people on this site make him out to be, he should seriously take a look at cannabis. It could be the big "thing" that his administration could introduce as part of an even broader economic stimulus for the country.
Those of you who know what specific industries could see tremendous growth if cannabis were legalized? Please list them and why you think they would be impacted (if you can site a source for your information, even better). Lets do this so the Obama administration, should they choose to look at this post on Current TV, will be armed with the facts about economic development around the legalization of cannabis. I think this is something we can all contribute to.
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jubal:
BRAVO !!!
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ElectroPig
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I find it interesting how people are still genuinely surprised that a politician would say one thing to get the people's votes, then do the complete opposite of what they promised after those votes had already been cast.
How many people have EVER seen a politician do what he promised in the election, after the election was over? Other than Ron Paul, I'd venture that the number is exceedingly small...and quickly fading.
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ElectroPig:
Electro, you make an interesting point.
I came by my opinion on this by reading a science fiction book. To this day, what Mr. Heinlein had to say has made more sense than anything I've read or heard since.
He said there were two kinds of politicans. A business politican, and a reform politican. Leadership aside their only product is jaw bone. So the currency of their realm is credibility.
A business politican relies on his/her credibility to get re-elected. If they don't keep their campaign promises credibility goes down the tube and they go out the door.
A reform politican is different. His loadstone is the greatest good for the largest number. All you have to do is prove to him that any particular action isn't best for the majority and he'll switch sides 4 times before lunch. And smile at you and tell you why.
Mr. Obama is, regrettably, a reform politician.
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Why in the HELL did he say that he would legalize marijuana during the election???? Was that just to get some of us to vote for him? Now he turns around and says NO with no explanation?? I'm NOT happy about him wanting to appoint Sanjay Gupta either. Gupta gets paid by the drug/insurance companies to spread their propaganda BS.
Very disappointed, Obama!! You probably don't care but you're already pissing me off. I realize you have a big job ahead of you but making campaign promises that you don't keep ain't cool
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Wang111:
Wang, you missed the turn. 3rd door down on the left. (smile)
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ElectroPig
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Has anyone seen the vast fields of opium and cannabis that are growing in Afghanistan now that the Taliban--those evil terrorists--have been forced to be on the run by the US "War On Drugs?"
I find it VERY interesting that while the US Government's DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) is going after Mark Emery (a Canadian citizen) for being responsible for "tons" of "marijuana" (or was it "marihuana?") within the US borders, Mr. Emery never sold a single bale of weed. Not a single nickel bag. Not a gram. Not even a tiny bud. Mr. Emery sold SEEDS. He sold them in Canada, to be precise, where it is completely legal to do so, as cannabis seed sales are NOT illegal.
To add further idiocy into the mix, Mr. Emery sent a gratis (free) copy of his magazine Cannabis Culture to each and every member of the legislative branch of the Canadian government...for a couple DECADES! Even more astounding is the fact that for about 15 years, each and every issue contained a seed catalog, so there is absolutely no conceivable way that ANY politician could say that they were unaware of these facts.
More interestingly, those same individuals, when asked about legally obtaining cannabis for medical uses, directed all questioners to Emery Seeds, the seed company that Mr. Emery founded and ran for many years, as the best possible source of pure, natural and safe cannabis seeds.
The Canadian government has THOUSANDS of 100% legally registered cannabis users and growers today, and this number is growing every year, as more and more people learn the truth about cannabis, and apply for a license. I, myself, am preparing to do so myself in the very near future, and I have downloaded the .pdf application forms and am printing them off tonight, to be specific!
Note: Canadians interested in applying for LEGAL cannabis possession and grower's licenses should point their browser of choice to:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/how-comment/applicant-demandeur/index-e...
For those who simply want the TRUTH that they have thus far been denied by "those who know better than we" (in their own egocentric beliefs), then perhaps you would be best served by reading "The Emperor Has No Clothes" by Jack Herer.
You can find Mr. Herer at http://JackHerer.com , and you can read his book at http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html although I would reccommend that you actually buy a copy to help support this man's work! After all, he IS informing the public about very important issues...our freedoms...our health...our economies...our lives!
Now, if all that means nothing to you, perhaps you might be interested in finding out a cure for cancer that you can grow yourself? Got any idea what that might be? If the answer is yes or no, you will still want to see the video and information presented by Rick Simpson at:
He's only had a 100% cure rate so far--500+ people and ocunting if I remember right--so they're still trying to find ways to silence him...I mean...results don't mean anything when you're using something ILLEGAL as the basis for the cure, right?
In any event, I hope that gives a tidbit of MY impression of the situation...based on FACTS, instead of speculation, innuendo, or outright lies which serve only to protect the interests of pharmaceutical companies, paper and forestry companies, government "enforcement agencies", and the many and varied segments of the legal and prison community.
It's high time (pardon the pun) that people knew the truth, and acted upon that information as though their very lives depended on it. In many cases, it really is that serious!
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To take this thing to the next level we need to start encouraging state governments to get into the hemp production business through legalization and regulation for industrial and commercial uses. State run dispensaries and grower licensing can be one revenue stream. Another stream of revenue is the industrialization of the hemp. Focus on tax cuts to companies that seek to exploit it's production for industry; paper, textile, cellulose fiber materials, chemical, drug, food, and energy.
The idea here is to flash big dollar signs in front of the governors and the legislator through well presented seminars coordinated with political action and media marketing; within the state. Get states to legalize and capitalize hemp for the revenue that is direly needed to continue funding many state services that most states are having shortages for.
This is an idea whose time has come and can only be achieved; as medicinal use has, by the grassroots; state by state.
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It's painfully obvious that now the ONLY reason it is to remain illegal is because of the prison industrial complex and no other reason. This is NOT a right wing/left wing issue either because people of this nation overwhelmingly support legalization.
Prison guard unions want it illegal because it provides them all with easy, cushy, good paying jobs. Cops, for the most part support illegalization for the same reason.
Back about 30 years ago it was accepted by most police organizations and most did nothing if you were caught with small amounts under 2 or 3 ounces which I was back in the early 80s in Oklahoma of all places. If I were caught with the same now I would go straight to the gulags and never escape the heavy thumb of the jack boot unions. Back then I was taken to jail, but released a few minutes later less my stash.
Because of this ridiculous prohibition there are now numerous young white men from all over our nation locked into hell and they get routinely raped by gangs of mostly black inmates. That's not a racist remark, it's simply truth. Do a google for the term "prison rape" and you'll find page after page after page about those evil truths. Even Human Rights Watch covers that subject quite in depth. Sadly there is NO solidarity among white prisoners simply because they are so outnumbered and because it's now taboo for whites to show any kind of solidarity unless we happen to be fabulously wealthy and then who cares? It's then assumed we're racist anyway.
The rich, and ESPECIALLY many politicians own stock in the for profit prison industrial complex and as long as that conflict of interest is allowed to go on marijuana will never be legal in the United States of America nor anywhere else around the world for that matter with very few exceptions in Europe and a very few other places. - 3 years ago
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People, forget pot! What about the terrifying drug ads already on TV? Anyone catch that? Have you heard the side affects. All of them lead to some type of death or bodily destruction. The question should be why are the drug companies given free reign to sell themselves. Ask your doctor if you need some...uh shouldn't my doctor tell me when I need something? Isn't that what I pay for?
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meganunn:
meg, if you stand back a pace the reasoning will be obvious. Why would the drug companies advertise to the users rather than the doctors? Asking your doc about it is what they want you to do. Chances are the doc already knows and wouldn't have suggested it had you not asked. You're getting what you pay for. The drug co's are just putting this in your brain. People with problems look for a way out so they're parading all these "solutions". Ask your doc about that one.
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if legal, anyone can grow it, meaning less profits for them, so theres the simple reason.
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chokolat3warmth:
This will become a sticking point, as will how the cop that pulls you over can determine whether you're too high to drive or not. I suspect there will be a few more.
But we're not to the point where we should be concerned with that yet. Before we can figure out HOW we're going to do it, we need to decide that we ARE going to do it.
Now suits me just fine.
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Yah, I was just thinking that cerealforeal.
That's some change we can believe in?
Seems like the only change is he's a black guy. Which is cool, and all, but if there's no difference other than that to the current state, then isn't he just a figurehead?You might even say, a propitiation to the black nation.
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Did yall expect "change"? Obama is just another tool.
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Fear of change, ah yes..the final frontier
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Occasionally silence means you have no valid argument and/or guilt.
Marijuana and God knows hemp isn't the problem, PEOPLE are the problem. The way the system works at present, it's obviously self-destructing, so it's really only a matter of time until people understand the problems always come back to individual choices and behavior.
Astronauts on weed are one thing, killers on weed are another.
Ironically, at the moment, the way the system is designed and run, it puts the drugs in the hands of which demographic?
Then the drugs get blamed because of the behavior of the people, when in fact it is the people that are the problem.
God willing, one day the world will undergo mass reeducation.
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damnneargenius:
Yah, Hitler and the Communists tried that, but it didn't seem to take.
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I wonder if the big O knows how many people medical marijuana helps?
Sometimes I will go days without eating because food seems so disgusting. If I didn't smoke marijuana, I'd be unhealthy! - 3 years ago
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There are many reason why Weed is still Illegal.
1. So its dosent take profits from cotton and paper manufacturers
2. When something is illegal you can raise prices on it and the biggest seller of the product (people in the government who know how to get away with it) can take out competition by slapping them in jail. Why would they make it legal and tax it, and get chump change from taxes when they can get the whole slice of the cake by making it illegal and becoming the biggest distributer??
3. alot of people dont know this, and alot of pot heads dont even realize it, but when you smoke mary jane it temporary raises your consciousness and you live more in the moment, the more people that are this way then the less control the government will have because everyone will see the truth when there high. Why do you think pot heads never listened to the government? they are the people who truly see things as they are. When you high you more awake than all these sheeple running around will ever be. AND THIS IS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT RELIES ON TO STAY IN POWER! KEEPING THE PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE TRUTH
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JustinS:
I mean a good reason
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The "War on Drugs" is a war on American soil. Just like the "War on Terror", it should not be based on lies and disinformation. It should be based on truth, not spin. Never ending wars are destructive. People should be searching for solutions, not promoting spin (distorted) information.
If Obama really wants to lead, he will take control of "Wars" being waged during his reign. If he thinks lies and disinformation are the answer, so be it. We will look for change in 4 years. Given the choice of McCain/Palin, Obama/Biden was my only choice. I do have hope Obama will change the way wars of today are being fought. Honest discussion would be a good place to start. Truth should win over spin.
No one wants to talk about it in politics, it's a "taboo subject". I have a hard time grasping our "War on Drugs" being a taboo subject. Families are being torn apart on our soil, due to the War on Drugs. It shouldn't be a "taboo subject", it should be a major discussion. How can we change it if they can't even talk about it.
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dreaddaze
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at least drink some ganja tea
healing it is.
peace-in
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I loved being part of the democratic process for decriminalizing MJ in Massachusetts. After collecting enough signatures the 2d time around, the "reeferendum" was placed on the Nov. ballot & easily passed by a 2 - 1 margin. An informed & determined electorate made it clear that they have had it with the absurdity of an herb being illegal & its users criminals. When will the feds learn that gov’t can’t legislate human behavior, as the utter failure of Prohibition has shown? With 13 states down & 37 to go, Obama would much rather see states take responsibility for issues like this, preserving federal resources for far more important & urgent matters facing our nation & the world.
This is just one more example of civilized & sane progress, giving people the right to use a (medicinal) herb proven far safer than alcohol & cigarettes and particularly prescription drugs - let alone a laundry list of the DEA’s & FDA’s complete & utter failure for the care & safety of the citizens the agency was established to protect. The legal system can now focus on the serious criminals, crimes & dangerous drugs that are far more important to society’s safety & welfare. Our gov't has been pushing alcohol, cigarettes & dangerous Rxs on us for far too long because of the enormous profits, tax revenues generated & intrinsic population control measures.
If you don’t like it, don’t use it & stay out of my business. Life’s too short – Lighten Up!
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What's funny to me is that this topic has so many comments...and I don't know any one person who would'nt listen to reason...I have found no 1 individual who can argue against the whole mariajuana issue. As a matter of fact we all seem to agree the way it is handled by the government is wrong...so why is'nt the government properly representing it's people. For the people by the people, right? Whatever. Montani Semper Liberi...that means I do what i want!
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Funny,I received several statements from people telling me that legalizing marijuana would lead to a nation of pot-heads without any sense of responsibility and a danger to the way of American living,whatever that may be.I can assure you,we,the Dutch,are not a irresponsible,pot-headed nation and yes,in our country you are free to buy up to 3 grams of hashish/cannabis/marijuana for your own use and you can purchase it in the local coffeeshops.The pot is taxed like all other merchandise and the quality is frequently controlled.And since we talk about drug matters openly,we have less drug-addicted people than our neighbouring countries.And how many people use the stuff,anyway.I don't know,all I know is that one out of every 6to8 people still smokes(cigarets,that is)and out of those smokers guesses are that 1or2 also smokes pot.Nobody can seriously say that marijuana is harmless,but by legalizing the stuff,we have the situation pretty well under control and in our prisons you wan't find marijuna users and/or -dealers.Other drugs,yes,but soft drugs,no..And we have far less drug addicts than the countries around us.So whatever your arguements against legalization may be,I still think there are far more reasons in favour than against it.And I'm glad that the majority of comments that I received agreed with me.
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For those of you who want to do something to force a proper response from the Obama administration... Check this out:
Million Marijuana March - Washington DC - July 4th 2009
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Go 4 it crispycritter, run 4 office. just remain loyal 2 ur constiuents, they voted 4 u. we need alot of people 2 PAY Attention 2 their government and change what they don't like by staying involved. this country was founded on INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS. so we need 2 stay involved as individuals. the more the better. together we have a voice. apathy breeds contempt. and spread it into all government controls.
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Hey, they asked us what we wanted, they even gave us a spiffy little website to vote on, now they're not happy with the #1 idea we as American citizens have voted for.
Other than being the first african american president in office, Obama's just there to keep us distracted. Until I see a system that actually listens to it's people I have NO faith in our government.
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you can't expect him to do it in his first term...
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Big, why should we go easy? The cost in money & ruined lives continues day to day. I'm one of those that's spent time in prison because of this. They didn't go easy on me. The man sought the job; let him do it.
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It would kill the National Debt in two or three years.They'd have to be stupid not to legalize it now with the economy the way it is.
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its a shame, but im ztill gunna zmoke that shit
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Someone with a brain needs to point out to Obama's people that in 1932 the US government passed a 100 dollar an ounce tax on cannabis and that from only that standpoint it makes sense to make it legal and use the tax money collected to fund the social programs that always get cut! housing,medical care,education,to name a few! In addition those of us who toke and know how unharmful cannabis is realize thart it's time to come out of the dark ages on this issue! Good must always win over evil even if we drag it into the light by force! Obama is no different from all the others brothers and sisters he's just a front for those who really run this country and the world,the super rich and big business! They are the real evil! We must continue to fight! I wonder what would happen if a few hundred thousand smokers got together and had a smoke-in in front of the white house or some other location in DC? They couldn't lock us all up or put us through the system cause it would grind to a halt! Only through real political power can we win!
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galwayman:
Gal, I've heard there are plans being made to do just that. July 4th. This year. Washington DC. How about if a million of us show up? Give them a taste of just how many people want to see this. We elected our govt. They're not in charge of us, we're in charge of them.
Legalize cannabis NOW. Yes we can !!
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the government should get out of and stay out of this. We should have the right 2 decide what we do with r lives. if we screw it up 2 bad. Legalize everything and let us decide. Quit protecting me from myself. peterhaas has it right. if people smoke cannibis all day everyday they'll not be able 2 afford 2 smoke it for long Bcoz they"ll B broke. that is unless our gvrnmnt thinks we need financial help and gives us money 2 rehab us..Get out there and get involved with ur right 2 vote 4 people that do what u want. if they don"t vote them out next time
. Keep it up it's ur decision. - 3 years ago
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What I'm hearing more & more is actually right. This change is a political process and those of us that want it are totally naive. No representation. No lobby that we recognize & support. No single voice. No nothing. Just a bunch of hot air. Yelling down a well. We're loud because there's a bunch of us; but that's all. Talk isn't going to get it changed; this smack in the face just demonstrated that. All they need do is refuse to answer. End of discussion.
It may not be the number 1 problem in this country but it's pretty important to the tens of thousands of kids sitting in prison cells. And it's getting ready to become REAL important to the thousands that luck as slated to join them this year. I don't even want to hear, maybe later, give it time. I'm 60 years old. I've ALREADY WAITED 40+ YEARS. If that isn't long enough that's too bad. I don't have another 40 years to give them.
To hell with waiting; I'm done with that. We have the numbers right now. It's time to do something about it. Whether this happens to be a convenient time is their problem. NOT later. Later never comes. After 40 years I'm fresh out of patience.
They don't argue because they know they're wrong. But they're trying to have their way anyway by claming up. It won't wash. If reasonable rhetoric doesn't work, protest does.
The federal govt. insists I make an ass out of myself before this gets changed? Waving flags & banners, arms interlocked chanting down the street? We have to make a spectacle out of ourselves before we get any respect? fine. I've done harder thinks for less important reasons.
Legalize cannabis. NOW.
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I just don't get it.Here in Holland we did all that,legalizing etcetera and now we have the lowest number of drug addicted people in Europe,I'm told.
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Think about it. Legalize it and the end result will end up being the disappearance of dangerous organizations, such as Colombia's rebel group FARC, who get their money from smugglers. However, the U.S. will see a notable increase on the unemployment rate and more addicts on the street.
Not legalizing it would lead to the quieting of whoever is against it, but other issues will arise, such how to easily stop the entry of drugs without viloence.
As for me, legalizing it will bring relief to South America, and being from there, I support legalization.
- 3 years ago
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ajiacoysancocho
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TranceSendDance
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As long as pharmaceutical corporations are legally protected while plants are considered a crime,
the destruction of all life on Earth by humanity will continue.
- 3 years ago
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TranceSendDance
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Talisman
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bashirdr get a clue and fire up a doobie and then you may tell people they are potheads and have no energy! How do YOU know it makes one non-energetic and we have been 'belly-aching' about the so called 'important issues' here, or did you just get stuck on this one article?
- 3 years ago
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Talisman
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bashirdr
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Do any of you people actually have trouble procuring and/or using pot? Quit your belly aching and just do like you do. And put your energy into something more important and basic like alternative fuels, legalizing gay marriage, getting abstinance-only education and intelligent design out of public schools, national health care, etc.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're all pot heads, so you don't have any energy.
- 3 years ago
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cabinettags
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bashirdr:
bash, I'm glad you're happy with the status quo; I'm not. This "belly aching" as you describe it is an attempt to bring about change via reasonable dialog. As that obviously ins't going to work, the next step will be protests & marches.
You see, this isn't a LITTLE thing. The fed. govt is having a war against their own citizens. 10's of thousands are now prisoners of war. The govt is spending time, money & effort to continue this war when the figures show they've been consistently losing it from it's beginning. They've been trying to stamp it out but the fact is there are more people indulging now than there ever was.
That's bad enough. But it gets worse. In order to justify the ban, cannabis has been wrongly included as a schedule 1 drug - the same as cocaine & heroine. This is patently ridiculous and can't be justified. So they're saying nothing instead.
The demand for cannabis is market driven. Just look at the views on this single post. Somebody is going to supply the demand, and that demand refuses to diminish in SPITE of the prohibition. There's an underground that supports this demand ONLY because of the prohibition. The fed. govt's OWN drug threat analysis for this year estimates illegal and untaxed revenue's of 17-34 BILLION DOLLARS. This year. That money is ending up in the hands of drug gangs south of our border. It could be better spent here.
Our country has lots of challenges & Mr. Obama will face a lot of issues. This is one of them. It's NOT a little one.
- 3 years ago
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cabinettags
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cheetum
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bashirdr:
"put your energy into something more important and basic like alternative fuels..."
Cannabis hemp contains the most biomass energy of any plant in existence. Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol or gasoline (bio-diesel) at a fraction of the current cost of oil, coal, or nuclear energy - especially when environmental costs are factored in - and its mandated use would end acid rain, end sulfur-based smog, and reverse the Greenhouse Effect on our planet.
- 3 years ago
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cheetum
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WhiteNoise
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The other part of the equation is the HUGE underground economy, yank that thriving bling-bling & over the top spending spree out of the economy & watch it stumble even faster into oblivion ;)
Underground economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_economyIllegal drugs
Main article: Illegal drug trade
Beginning in the 19th and 20th centuries, many countries began to ban the possession or use of various recreational drugs, such as the United States' infamous "war on drugs." Many people nonetheless continue to use illegal drugs, and a black market exists to supply them. Despite ongoing law enforcement efforts to intercept illegal drug supplies, demand remains high, providing a large profit motive for organized criminal groups to ensure that drugs are available. The United Nations has reported that the retail market value of illegal drugs is worth 321.6 billion dollars.[2] While law enforcement efforts do capture a small percentage of the distributors of illegal drugs, the high and very inflexible demand for such drugs ensures that black market prices will simply rise in response to the decrease in supply—encouraging new distributors to enter the market in a perpetual cycle. Many drug legalisation activists draw parallels between the United States' experience with alcohol Prohibition and the current bans on various psychoactive drugs.And how would the CIA finance all them illegal operations that makes us soooo proud ;)
http://www.ciadrugs.com/CIA drug trafficking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_traffickingWhiteout: The CIA, Drugs and the Press
http://www.versobooks.com/books/cdef/c-titles/cockburn_alex_whiteout.shtmlSo as one can see, they are a lot of forces in play that makes the status-quo a fait accompli ;)
- 3 years ago
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WhiteNoise
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samonster34
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looks like my nightstand
- 3 years ago
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samonster34
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Maitereya
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did obama trick people into believing he would be different?
- 3 years ago
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Maitereya
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Goofyboy
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I fail to see how this would hurt the cotton industry. They can still produce cotton for clothing, and other uses. The machines used for producing fibers from hemp are the same as those used for cotton. Hemp just adds another raw material to use. Hemp also grows without the need for costly fertilizer. Hemp can also be used for crop rotation.
Current machinery used to make cotton fibers soft can be used to make hemp soft too.
Farmland that has been depleted or land deemed ill suited for conventional farming can be used to produce another product. Any workers displaced from agriculture or petroleum can easily be retasked to hemp related work. A petroleum worker trained in refinery work can work in a biofuel plant. A mill worker can also be put to work in a mill working with hemp.The government has dug in it's heels on this issue in much the same way they have with Cuba.
Please pardon my indelicate language here, but it has to be stated.
This is nothing more than a pissing contest. The US government doesn't want to admit they were wrong, or that they relied on faulty information. There are so many millions of cases that have gone through the courts that it would be a profound embarrassment to admit such a thing.
I'm afraid that one would have to develop a monumental education campaign and gather enough signatures to force a referendum on the subject. - 3 years ago
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Talisman
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How utterly stupid does one have to be to see that this will bring in plenty of revenue for the ailing country's economy? They will NEVER stop it from coming into the country and being consumed by those who enjoy it OR use it for medicinal purposes. So, why not legalize, regulate and tax?
- 3 years ago
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Talisman
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Dr_Dank_Thumb
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i personally think that there are too many people these days are using this marijuana. i know very little about it but from what my catholic teachers have imparted to me about it is just horrifying. it it not true that when you are "on" marijuana you go in to a fit of rage and want kill people and that just the smelling of marijuana makes one want to do evil things like commit sodomy? i don't know but i think that if this stuff was ever legalized than the whole world would be in damnation! people need to realize that we live in a constant state of peace and if this marijuana was legalized than evil and heresy would prevail.
- 3 years ago
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Dr_Dank_Thumb
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kyackr
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Dr_Dank_Thumb:
ha ha .. nice icon photo. i can almost smell them buds
- 3 years ago
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kyackr
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footystud
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do they not understand the money they are losing by not getting to tax this? they will never be able to stop the plant from being smoked, so whats with the ignorance???
- 3 years ago
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footystud
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WhiteNoise
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Welcome to the war against drugs scam !
The criminalization of pot is simply needed to fill the prisons & rationalize the private incarceration system… & they get to destroy the black community as a bonus… Business as usual ! In the USA, the prison system is owned by private corporations (i), meaning that companies make money from putting people in jail.
This explains why America has the largest absolute prison population in the world (ii). Not just relative to its 300m population, but relative to the world. Even communist China, with 1.3 billion people, has less people in prison than America. US police officers are fired or given demotions if they do not meet a certain quota of people put in jail (iii). It’s called the prison-industrial complex (iv), and is just one example of how capitalism is yielding negative effects in America.
So how are so many people being put in prison? Welcome to the drug war. The CIA ships in cocaine to the United States in mass (v), and then uses the corrupt police force to deal these illegal drugs to the American public (vi). Naturally, having dealt the drugs, the police then know who is in possession of cocaine, so later bust them for it. Not only is the drug-industrial complex served, but so is the prison-industrial complex. Classic corporatism all made possible through the corrupt police force of bully-mentality.
And if by now you’re saying, “well, just because people are selling drugs, doesn’t mean the kids are forced to buy them”, consider the glorification of drugs in movies and television. Young kids love listening to Amy Winehouse and others (vii) (viii), but there is no age limit on how old you have to be to watch her on the news, boxed into the classic drug nightmare of so many poor victims of the entertainment industry. The average lifespan in the United States is currently 78 (ix) and expected to be commonly as high as 100 in the coming generations (x), yet in the entertainment industry was just over 60 in 1999 and was as low as 48 in 1950 (xi). Also consider the abomination that is America’s education system (xii), and its up-to and in some cases above 50% high school dropout rates (xiii).
Footnotes
i http://www.correctionsproject.com/corrections/pris_priv.htm
ii http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/2925973.stm
iii http://www.emissourian.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19506987&BRD=1409&PAG=46...
iv http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199812/prisons
v http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/980507-l.htm
vi http://www.serendipity.li/cia/fifty.html vii http://danasdirt.com/2007/11/27/amy-winehouse-meets-a-young-fan/
viii http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_black#Charts
ix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
x http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1977733.stm
xi http://www.ancestry.com/facts/HOLLYWOOD-life-expectancy.ashx
xii http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw
xiii http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344190,00.html
PS : Back then pot prohibition was but an excuse to wipe out the hemp industry … http://piratebook.com/chapter_17.htm - 3 years ago
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kaylagog
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The government needs to grow some balls, and legalize weed. God forbid they not make money on one item.
- 3 years ago
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kaylagog
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footystud
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too bad he won't have a choice eventually, because the states will pass the laws and he will have to follow with federal legislation. its already happening obamamama....get on the train
- 3 years ago
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footystud
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T_Rose
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Some people above mentioned creating a lobby group for cannabis. This is a great idea. Only issue I see is funding it. A lobby group has nothing if they can't bribe politicians. What if some of these pro-cannabis groups started educating rappers and other celebrities about how a lobby group could make cannabis legal. I'm sure even a few rappers donating to a lobby group instead of buying ugly jewelry could make a difference.
- 3 years ago
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cabinettags
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T_Rose:
T- the states that have voted cannabis in have all enjoyed the benefits of home grown organization. One, if not THE, main leader in Mass is a college kid. Anybody can do it. You start by calling your friends and having them call theirs. Then everyone gets together and you talk about it; decide how to proceed. Our college hero in Mass would be happy to share how they went about it. We've got lots of joiners; we need activists.
And there IS a political lobby in Wash. NORML But we've made sure they remain handicapped. NORML is the poor step-child. It takes money to keep a lobby in Wash - keep them knocking on doors and talking to our legislators. Big business has the money. All we have is hot air. If you have money but not time, or if you're like so many that you're not about to risk your job by marching down the street in the company of those that ARE potheads - then support NORML. They need every single dollar they can get.
Do you lobby a senator by taking her out for Big Mac? If you're an effective lobbyist in Washington and you're hired to represent the pro-legalization movement, is it too much to ask to expect a pay check? Where do you think this money comes from? US!!! If you can't march then send money. It's ALL important. Better yet, do both. Amounts don't matter, will power does. If everyone contributes we'll get there.
- 3 years ago
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cabinettags
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footystud
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frickin politicians...they know nothing!
- 3 years ago
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footystud
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Conniepae
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In reading the responses and the headline, I have one response. The question of legalizing "cannabis/hemp" should not be discussed in slang. The word marijuana was created to create confusion. All the slang names add to confusion.
"Cannabis/hemp" should be used whenever one discusses "cannabis/hemp", not slang man made generic names. Marijuana, pot, weed, Mary Jane, MJ, etc. are *spin*.
"Cannabis" used for the medicinal conversation and "hemp" used for the industrial conversations would change the conversation. Eventually people would stop using slang and deal with reality. Slang makes everyone think of hippies. Everyone who wants to see the laws changed are not hippies, or druggies.
One voice would speak volumes. Using the actual names "Cannabis/hemp" every time one speaks of the plant would go a long way to bring the conversation back to reality. Slang, disinformation names will not work to get "cannabis/hemp" legal. By using slang one perpetuates the drug underground culture of drugs.
"Cannabis/hemp" really is more than a drug for dysfunction. "Cannabis/hemp" has been used throughout history. Marijuana, weed, pot, pot heads, Mary Jane, have been used since prohibition. We want change, not prohibition. We must change the way we discuss it.
The most important thing for change is to start changing the way we talk about it. Stop using the terms which make it mysterious. "Cannabis/hemp" has history, it's not a mystery. Correct individuals who use slang. Guide the conversation to the proper names "Cannabis/hemp".
- 3 years ago
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Conniepae
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simplecj
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Conniepae:
I completely agree, whenever I use the word marijuana, it feels like a dirty word because I understand where that word came from and why. I hate it whenever the media does a hit peice on cannabis, repedetly calling it marijuana, weed, or pot...
Cannabis is what it is, calling it 'herb' is probably one of the only acceptable slang terms IMO. The king of herbs to be more exact....
- 3 years ago
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simplecj
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Conniepae
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Conniepae:
Herb is an appropriate name. Cannabis is an herb. Thanks for reminding me.
- 3 years ago
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Conniepae
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mik661
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The criminalization of Pot has its roots in the 20's and 30's. It was a campaign paid for by the DuPont family when they realized that widespread hemp production was going to undercut their artificial fiber production. The film "Reefer Madness" was purely a product of the DuPont. The second nail in the coffin was its inclusion at a narcotic by the Nixon Administration. Pot is not a narcotic however by classifying it as one it brought it under the more draconian legal penalties for its possession and use. Even today diverse industries such at cotton spend heavily to prevent hemp production. Canada has made extensive use of hemp which it is cheaper to produce, is more "green" in its production and unlike cotton can be sustained indefinitely on the same land without completely depleting the soil. We haven't even touched on the the vast govt. involvement in the so called war on drugs. The first rule of any bureaucracy is to protect the bureaucracy. The second rule it to expand the bureaucracy. Trillions of dollars and vast unchecked authority is at stake in the war on drugs. These people will never let it go voluntarily. Many respected authorities at the national and local level have come to the conclusion that not only is the war on drugs not winnable it is wrong at its most base level of how it views drug use and abuse. Bootlegging is a perfect example of how criminilization was a source of violence, corruption and tragedy.
- 3 years ago
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mik661
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bamboodizzard
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Perhaps you should all recognize that MARIJUANA IS A DRUG! It is not like you are asking them to stop cracking down on jay walking. Marijuana is responsible for deaths and injuries, and many other negative things. Sure you repeat the benefits of the drug while ignoring the negative side effects, but that does not justify your argument.
You ALL need to recognize that there are many negative side effects. If you can come up with a safe way to legalize it, as well as prevent or care for some of the negative side effects, you might get a better answer.
You all say legalize and tax it. Perhaps you should write out a proposal tax that would not be inhibitive of cost and show where the taxes could legitimately pay for NA classes, and preventative measures to keep people from smoking it.
The reality is that we DO NOT want people smoking marijuana casually all the time. It will increase injuries and deaths across the US. So an effective emphasis and campaign needs to be created to teach people that marijuana, although legalized, is still a bad thing to do.
- 3 years ago
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bamboodizzard
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charfman
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bamboodizzard:
To banboodizzard
What's your data source from which you arrived at such conclusions...
I think it's pure speculation on your part... - 3 years ago
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charfman
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pissedoffinarkansas
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bamboodizzard:
How about a couple of examples of those "negative side-effects"?
I am 43 yrs. old and have been enjoying weed since I was 16. I have a higher than average IQ. I am a supervisor for the 2nd largest door manufacturer in the country. I am responsible with my finances. And 3/4 of the people I work with smoke also. Everybody shows up for work every day. So i don't see the problem.In fact, the people at work who drink are more likely to come to work in a state of mind much more dangerous than those that smoke . It's called a hangover. And you don't get those with weed.
Enlighten me,oh wise one! - 3 years ago
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pissedoffinarkansas
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Conniepae
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bamboodizzard:
bamboodizzard, there are problems with everything which has the potential for abuse. Drinking too much water led to a death in 2008. Are we outlawing water? "Cannabis/hemp" has too many positive qualities to be spun with disinformation.
Your argument appears to be based on spin, minus facts. Group punishment is not the answer. Cannabis/hemp today can't be discussed because people choose to spin disinformation.
It's time for change, using facts, not spin. Corporate America and enabling politicians has ruined our financial system. We aren't outlawing every executive and politician because a few (okay many) have misled us with lies, cheating and stealing. We should punish the executives and politicians who have lied, cheated and stolen, not punish them all. Group punishment hurts everyone.
- 3 years ago
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Conniepae
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kyackr
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bamboodizzard:
if you think the marijuana prohibition has anything to do with the government's concern for public safety??? you just aren't paying attention.
the harm of legal substances like tobacco and alcohol indicates that's not the case.. and even more insane is the pharmaceutical industry ..
The sales and marketing of psychiatric drugs has exploded in the US in the last ten years.This video explains how these powerful and dangerous drugs are "tested."
If your doctor tells you that you or a family member "must" take one or "needs" it, you'd better do your own tough-minded research.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/524.html
marijuana prohibition ? government concern for public safety???
no way!!!
it's about the competitive effects on profitability of existing industrial products that legal uses of hemp would create.. and the profits of privatized prison system needing.. inmates.. and just that ace in the hole control of free minded individuals the government feels compelled to keep a handle on - 3 years ago
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kyackr
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simplecj
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bamboodizzard:
I'm going on 12 years of almost daily use and I'm about to graduate with my BS in integrated engineering after 6 years of college with about a 3.6 GPA, one of the highest in my class....
No one can argue with me that pot is a bad thing and makes people dumb and lazy. Those people who are that way would probably be like that with or without pot. Besides that, I'll be the first to admit that pot is not for everyone, but that doesn't make it a crime!
Cannabis is one of the safest recreational 'drugs' available to man and it's medicinal values make it even more incredible. Add to that all the other industrial uses of hemp and you get the most amazing single natural resource to ever exist. Prohibition of such a valuable resource should be criminal!!
- 3 years ago
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simplecj
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darkhorsejim
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bamboodizzard:
In what decade & century is this fairy tale set?
- 3 years ago
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darkhorsejim
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bamboodizzard:
Most of you are proving my point. I drink alcohol responsibly and am not addicted, and am a good samaritan, and have a good job/gpa, therefore alcohol has no negative side effects, or effects in general.
All of you leaped on me like I am the enemy. I support the legalization of marijuana. I also accept that while MANY people do not abuse and do stupid things and waste their lives for weed, SOME people do. Ignoring that fact is not the reasonable way to approach legalization.
I am also not disputing that alcohol and cigarettes are damaging, but marijuana is too, and if the government legalizes a dangerous product in the midst of not even being close to uniformly addressing the horrible dangers of the products that are already out is a point to contend.
TO PUT IT SIMPLY. Many people drink with a 2-3 beer buzz and are under the legal alcohol limit and that is "okay." When you have a 2-3 beer buzz, and smoke a joint, most people behind the wheel under this condition is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is no way to effectively measurethe effect that the two have on each person. Under this scenario, you are putting 10's of thousands of people on the streets that prior to legalization were not a danger, but now they are.
This is what I am talking about... This is the thing that needs to be addressed!
- 3 years ago
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bamboodizzard
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maasanova
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bamboodizzard:
The only reason marijuana is dangerous is because it is illegal to traffic. People get killed over it. If it were legal, it would take the strain off prison system so they could house real criminals like Maddof, rapists and murderers.
- 3 years ago
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maasanova
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Cdn_Ganja_Goddess
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bamboodizzard:
Look, Im going to put this simple.
Alcohol is legal, it kills people everyday. Thousands.
There is drunk driving, there is liver disease and failure.Cigarettes...You really need me to bring up what they do? I might as well since you don't seem to understand that the war on pot has been pushed too far.
Let's see what about all the sick people, termanilly ill.
These people are terrified of being prosecuted and lots are for possession of medicinal marijuana, YOU really don't understand what GOOD this herb does for sick people do you? Here is a little piece of important knowledge for you....Do you know America and Canada has an Opiate Epidemic right now? Firstly I will explain so you can understand what this means...Opiates are a derivitave made from HEROIN....Man-made heroin is what these popular perscription drugs are, dilaudid, oxy-contin, hydromorphine, Vikodin etc...Now these sick people no longer want these drugs from their doctors because like any Opiate dependance or Heroin dependance you become very ill without the drug, so they would rather sell it. Opiate dependance can be a very life long chemical dependance. Many of these people would rather smoke good pot, at least they don't become deathly ill without smoking a joint like they would with these perscriptions from the doctors happily perscribing them.
The poor cancer patients undergoing chemo therapy have no appetite, and to many of them it brings back that natural urge to EAT. I think that's pretty damn important.
NO ONE HAS DIED FROM MARIJUANA OVERDOSE!
Accidents due to smoking and driving? Uhh Ok, yeah it does happen, but no more than drinking and driving, obviously for reasons people shouldn't drink and drive or smoke and drive...
Maybe you should look into the things you don't understand and study them before passing judgement on them and those who use them.
-~*Cdn Ganja Goddess*~
- 3 years ago
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Cdn_Ganja_Goddess
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charfman
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Alcohol can kill you...
Cigarettes WILL kill you...The government and Obama does not want to sponsor another vice that MIGHT have similar potential...
WE THE PEOPLE has no relevance in our government today...
The government by the people, of the people, and for the people, HAS perished from the Earth... - 3 years ago
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charfman
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MavericktheMaverick
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I read other articles where it said he was for legalization, in fact some of them were on this site!!!!!! I want to know the turth about my "president"! Is he a pot head or not???
- 3 years ago
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cheetum
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MavericktheMaverick:
I can answer that (I think). First of all I want to say I am somewhat suprised that on a site that seems to be so pro Obama, so few seem to know much about him or his stand on issues.
He has admitted to smoking (and inhaling) marijuana as a teen but he is definitely not a pothead. I believe this article and also what people have been lead to believe about Obama are both a product of misinterpretation. I don't think he has EVER said he was interested in legalizing marijuana. When confronted about the issue in the past he has said that the use of medical marijuana should be regulated at the state level and not the federal level so at least that's a start.
I don't think he considers it that important of an issue in general. He is mostly focused on the big issue of the economy.
- 3 years ago
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cheetum
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mathewww
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Obama doesn't care. He's just a political puppet to continue and expand the corporate agenda.
Marijuana is low on that list of priorities. Quit complaining and just do what YOU can individually to get it legalized.
- 3 years ago
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mathewww
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RThoms7
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Oh for peets sake, pot is GOOD. A little pot never hurt anyone. I been hitting it for 30 years and am still sharp as a tack!
- 3 years ago
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simplecj
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RThoms7:
I'm going on 12 years of almost daily use and I'm about to graduate with my BS in integrated engineering after 6 years of college with about a 3.6 GPA, one of the highest in my class.... no one can argue with me that pot is a bad thing and makes people dumb and lazy. Those people who are that way would probably be like that with or without pot.
- 3 years ago
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simplecj
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nadercrat
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Good article. Shows the commitment of Obama "the Great Accommodator" to disregard his constituent's interests, ignore his clear mandate, and pander to the right.
This presidency will be the greatest disappointment to the left since the Soviet Union was revealed to have nothing to do with socialism or communism.
- 3 years ago
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nadercrat
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Valence
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I'm guessing they think somking weed might mess with our performance during everyday life.
Anwyays we should riot on the 22cd we all should go to the white and sit out there a smoke a GAINT JOINT about 200grams or more >_>
- 3 years ago
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Valence
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JanforGore
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This is not the most important thing in the world next to the climate crisis which should be number one.
- 3 years ago
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JanforGore
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JanforGore:
Depends on your priorities. After all there are a lot of green issues with MJ.
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simplecj
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JanforGore:
Jan, utilizing hemp for textiles and fuel could be a MAJOR means of combating global warming. This subject is completely relevant!
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simplecj
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JanforGore:
Shifting from non-renewable resources used by ecological devastating industries to renewable & sustainable resource based industries is a responsible & sensible move on our part to address climate change right now. Benefits abound & the sooner changes like this are made, the sooner we’re on a more harmonious path with Mother Earth.
- 3 years ago
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darkhorsejim
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petarro
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Good.
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petarro
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simplecj
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petarro:
petaro, I really want to know why you think we should not decriminalize cannabis for medicinal and recreational use as well as the industrial uses of hemp. You aren't a US citizen, but US policy on this topic effects everyone in the world. Where do you stand?
- 3 years ago
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simplecj
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petarro
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petarro:
Because the US is paying the War on Terror. :D Keep doing it, I don't want to see any junkies around nor people making their life shit because of drugs. I don't have to excuse myself.
I agree on Marijuana usage for medical reasons, and then I think the US allows this for some people.
I also believe each packet of cigarets should cost $20.
- 3 years ago
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petarro
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petarro:
Well I guess your jest sorta completely deflates your argument.
I agree with you on the cigarettes costing a ton of money, but weed doesn't create junkies!
The concept of the word junkie applies particularly with the drug heroin, which I don't have a problem with it being illegal. The lifestyles of people who smoke weed and those who do heroin are night and day. Pot isn't addictive, and it rarely ruins anyone's life.
The image in your mind of junkies roaming the streets happens with drugs like crack heroin and crystal meth, but most certainly not weed.
You can work hard all day at your job, get home eat some special brownies while you watch comedy central and wake up the next morning ready to work again.
One case study of interest is amsterdam, few people who live there are potheads.
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CreditFigaro
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petarro:
So you're into restriction of freedom of choice?
An interesting viewpoint. I'll keep that in mind next time I read anything you write.
- 3 years ago
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netstorm2k8
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numinant
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perhaps this is merely a temporary political decision on obama's part. he's just assuming the presidency. if he did have any intention of decriminalizing pot, he likely wouldn't announce it as a priority, not at least until he generates some political leverage. perhaps it will be addressed in his second term.
i'm not an obama apologist, but this IS a touchy issue, and obama IS a politician. if it WAS to be addressed, he'd have to tread carefully.
- 3 years ago
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numinant
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michaelstink
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It is obvious - the gov't makes too much money with pot being illegal to leagalize it. If it was made legal all the privately funded organizations would no longer get their money undercover. This is America - where the rich stay rich off the backs of everyone else.
- 3 years ago
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michaelstink
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michaelstink:
Have you done an analysis of how much it costs to keep inmates?
The government doesn't make ANY money from this. It's not taxed, it costs money to prosecute and dispose of, and it costs money to keep people in prison.
- 3 years ago
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CreditFigaro
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netstorm2k8
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michaelstink:
Umm, the federal, state, and local governments make a TON of money off of potheads. Every time they arrest someone for possession of pot, they send that person into the county jail system to scare them into paying thousands of dollars in fines. I've known people impoverished for several years over one bust of less than an ounce.
When you're criminalizing and monetarily penalizing millions of pot-users, you need a big police force, with all kinds of surveillance tools, so that you can get a yearly crop of convicts, all of them paying extortion. It's a billion - dollar business even before you start considering the income from the RICO act.
- 3 years ago
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netstorm2k8
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Ihatethemall
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I'm to the point where I dont really care anymore what the GOV tells me to do or not do. They dont give a shit about me and I dont give a shit about them. They will do what they want and it doesnt really matter what any off us think or vote for. Fuck them I'm going to smoke a joint.
- 3 years ago
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Ihatethemall
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simplecj
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Ihatethemall:
This is about alot more than your right to smoke a joint... this is about medicine, textiles and fuel that could revolutionize the way we think about green lifestyles.... not to mention the undoing of nearly a century of misinformation and outright lies.
- 3 years ago
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simplecj
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cheetum
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This isn't about religion at all.
In fact, from a religious standpoint, I don't see how you can argue that a natural plant that could be used to treating the sick should be illegal. Hemp is the earth's strongest natural fiber, and it also contains more biomass then any other plant on earth. If by religious right you mean christians, christians believe that this plant like all others was created by God. There is no where in the bible where a christian would find any argument against legalizing marijuana. If anything christians should be all for it. If used sensibly and responsibly the uses for this plant are limitless.
No this isn't about religion. The reason why it is resisted so heavily by politicians is because most of the large donators to their campaigns are industries that would suffer heavy losses if marijuana were ever legalized.
- 3 years ago
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cheetum
