News and Politics | January 22, 2009 | 28 comments

Negligent parents allow child to die, waiting for God to heal her

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This is the sort of thing that has to be addressed when people discuss the influence of religion on society. Belief in afterlife, and the high-stakes worldview of eternal salvation, led these parents to deny their child life-saving treatment, instead relying on faith to save their child.
This is an act of child abuse that should be treated as such.
Her suffering, through dehydration, organ failure and ultimate death could have been prevented if these parents had provided basic care for their child.
They are unfit to be parents, as are many fundamentalist believers who would rely on god instead of a doctors in matters of health.
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28 comments // Negligent parents allow child to die, waiting for God to heal her

  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • Church's that practice this faith healing should be closed and the leaders should be charged with the same crimmes anyone else guilty of negligent homicide. send them to life in prison and let God free them from the four walls.

    • 3 years ago
  • hew2702
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      hew2702  
    • Don't judge a belief by its abuses/extremists. You will find few Christ-followers who would support the position of the parents.

    • 3 years ago
  • wrknonit
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      wrknonit  
    • sure, an 11 year old would and could make a decision like that.. would you accept it if your 11 year old decided to die?? would you just walk away and say ok! or would you tell them they can't do it.. come on now.. you must be intelligent enough to know that an 11 year old does not have the sophistication of mind to make a decision like that.. that is a totally 'disgusting' statement and viewpoint..

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • wrknonit:

      My point is that that is not your decision to make. Beyond that, has anyone substantiated the claim that this has even taken place? Further, does anyone here commenting know the circumstances under which it took place? Were you there? Does anyone here know the family? C'mon, you want to talk about intelligence, how about wisdom? Have the wisdom to realize patience is extremely lacking in this commentary as people are jumping rapidly to conclusions without any evidence, while others who are impressionable have their preceptions shaped by the thinly-veiled hatred of an ideology being masqueraded as compassion for a child.

    • 3 years ago
  • WhiteNoise
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      WhiteNoise  
    • FAITH vs FACTS ?
      RELIGION vs SCIENCE ?
      OBSCURANTISM vs ENLIGHTENMENT ?

      "The more ignorant one is, the less one is aware of it." - Louis Pasteur

    • 3 years ago
  • hew2702
  • WhiteNoise
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      WhiteNoise  
    • WhiteNoise:

      Dear wise crack,

      On which side of the fence do we find more people believing in dinosaurs & humans living together in harmony 6000 years ago or a talking snake ?

      ...and anyway...

      "The three monotheisms, animated by the same genealogical death instinct, share a series of identical contempt: hatred of reason and intelligence; hatred of freedom; hatred of all books in the name the one & only; hatred of life; hatred of sexuality, of women and pleasure; hatred of feminity; hatred of the body, of desires & impulses. Instead of all that, Judaism, Christianity and Islam defend: faith and belief, obedience and submission, a taste for death and a passion for the beyond, asexual angel and chastity, virginity and monogamic fidelity, the wife and the mother, the soul and spirit. In other words, life crucified and celebrated nothingness…" - Michel Onfray

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • WhiteNoise:

      I must admit, I do not share very much with the post-modernists. I find their deconstructive beliefs to be kind of counter-productive, but I do have to give them credit that they did do a great deal to break absolutism's hold on philosophical thought.

      As for the comment on monotheism, it is focused on a very specific ideology that can be taken from each of the "big three" but does not in any way encompass every aspect of their religious belief. Just think, Christianity alone is splintered into Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant. These three can then be deconstructed further into the seperate ideologies that are still debated today. All of these different aspects of Christianity stem from a religious conceptualization that had been developed under extreme prejudice for over three hundred years after the death of Jesus of Nazareth (whether you believe he is Christ the Savior, or not, you have to be a rather staunch skeptic to argue that the man did not exist at all and that he did not foster a spiritual/political revolution in the local populations.) How his beliefs were translated further alienates the concept of the ideologies that stemmed from him. The point being that your man Onfrey had found carefully chosen similarities between the religions to fit his concept that he had developed before understanding those religions and simply persued the validation of said concept.

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • Is there any of this from a credible source or is this article seriously being disseminated based on blog posts? I am just as amazed at the readiness of some of the people posting here to spread your opionated reasoning with very little backing.

      The plague comment... Please, have you read anything about the development of sanitation? Religious or not, there was little that could have been done about the circumstances of urban Europe during the Black Plague. They would have had no way to know that the spread of the plague was coming from fleas on rats without the disease being spread to a great deal. You act like that was something that could have been prevented. Are you going to blame AIDS on religion too?

      The child was an 11 year old. Does anyone have any evidence that the little girl did not herself choose to make that decision as well? You people act like this child was beat to submission and forced to suffer this fate. Your ignorant intolerance of other views is disgusting.

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • librelover:

      Congrats RS57, way to miss the forest for the trees. Beyond that, would you mind showing me the case that set said precedent? As far as I know, legal competency is still a very hotly debated concept. Considering the legal right of a pre-birth child's right to life or an indigent person's right to die, but again, please don't deconstruct this statement line by line. The point is not that the child's death was not tragic, but that many of the comments on this topic have been thinly-veiled attacks at religion based upon unsubstantiated claims on a blog. We can throw words at each other or we can communicate, but that requires at least two people to transfer the actual concepts they are trying to convey. Something impossible to do to absolute perfection, but we can try our best right?

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • librelover:

      Did you read the rest of the post? Did you ignore it or was it simply just not possible for you to process it? I'm sorry, it isn't your fault that I cannot communicate my thoughts to you in a less cryptic way. I suppose it is my own shortcoming.

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • librelover:

      Because arrogance can be conveyed so well through written discourse. Would that be in reference to my apology in my inability to convey my point? If my apology was insufficient for you then please explain to me how I could have better phrased it. If I had meant to say what I had said, I would have noted my own sarcasm. By the way, to validate that, the first statement of this post was to be sarcastic. Congratulations again, not only did you continue to expound on the 'trees' of my commentary, unfetted by my attempts to explain that you were missing the point of what I was saying, you then try to tell me that the words I have written somehow conveyed a condescending tone. You realize the perception you read the words I have written from molds the insinuations you develop from them. Anything beyond my own words is completely created by you.

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • librelover:

      As far as the credibility of the source, no I was not aware, which is why I asked. As far as the apology, I'm sorry you came to such a pessimistic conclusion. If you find this apology to be insincere as well, I don't know what further I could do for you. Perhaps it is simply the way I write that you find so conflicting with your own personality. I know know what more I can do to convince you otherwise, but I guess it really doesn't matter. We are only holding some random dialogue between two specters of the internet on a jazzed up message board after all. Good luck to you in the rest of your discussions.

    • 3 years ago
  • faithicus
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      faithicus  
    • Did you know that the gift God gave to mankind was free will? So, even though God has a grand plan and each of us plays a part in it, we have the option of choosing how we get there. It isn't that God controls our everyday actions; rather, his word should serve as a guideline for our lives so that we can be rewarded with his love and eternal devotion.

      PS I was raised Jewish and Roman Catholic! :)

    • 3 years ago
  • margarita_coffee
  • ChewWawa
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      ChewWawa  
    • I don't know what to say; many people from many different religious backgrounds are guilty of medical negligence. It's so heartbreaking when it happens to a child. I hope that the parents will be prosecuted as they should.

    • 3 years ago
  • CalgarC
  • wrknonit
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      wrknonit  
    • i don't understand why anyone would think this is God's plan for a child. He put her on the earth.. only to allow her to go through the torture she went through? Can't see it and never will. I don't think God planned for this little girl to be born just to die in the way that she did. No way!!! I'm with Petarro...

    • 3 years ago
  • clish1
  • petarro
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • They'll be prosecuted, they always are.

      The Fed takes a hard stand on stuff like this, they are very specific about religious beliefs not overturning secular laws.

      It's depressing, but it happens.

    • 3 years ago
  • tursiops
  • ash_theory
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      ash_theory  
    • This is why so many people died during the plague in Europe (or partial reason), because people believed it was god who was punishing them, and it was going to be god who was going to save them. In this case, it's just plain ignorant.

    • 3 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • "Wack job" is an appropriate descriptive term here. Anyone who lets a little girl die to satisfy their ignorant superstition deserves no mercy or respect. The behavior is despicable.

    • 3 years ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • Saladin
  • librelover
  • maeveisis
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