The first nonsmoking nation

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The tiny, trendy Himalayan kingdom recently became the world's first nonsmoking nation. Since Dec. 17, it has been illegal to smoke in public or sell tobacco. Violators are fined the equivalent of $232—more than two months' salary in Bhutan. Authorities heralded the ban by igniting a bonfire of cigarette cartons in the capital, Thimphu, and stringing banners across the main thoroughfare, exhorting people to kick the habit. As if they have a choice.
Meddling with an issue as personal as smoking is always tricky, and politicians err at their own peril. Yet Bhutan's ban appears to be sticking and with little public outcry. Even the country's smokers seem resigned to a smoke-free future. "If you can't get it, you can't smoke it," concludes Tshewang Dendup, who works for Bhutan's only broadcaster. He picked up his smoking habit while studying at Berkeley, but says he is now rapidly "downsizing" his consumption.
(Original article from http://slate.msn.com/id/2112449/)
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galwayman
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If we want to end nicotine addiction then it has to be taken seriously like alchohol or drugs.the withdrawl is really bad people and at least for me a violent one.ITS NOT BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY! The crap on the market doesn't relieve the withdrawl! Have been smoking over 40 years and have tried 6 times to quit! My job with public housing residents is so stressful that to go through withdrawl is not an option! If they had something like antibuse for nicotine,or a shot or pill to deal with the withdrawl I'd be the first to sign up!
- 2 years ago
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galwayman
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saxImilla
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I vote this down simply because the title is misleading.
Just because tobacco has been outlawed in Bhutan does not make it a "non-smoking nation" any less than outlawing marijuana has made the US a "non-marijuana-using nation."
Here's a couple ideas for smoking cessation:
1. Invest more in public health campaigns that are proven to be the most effective.
2. Put in place a regulation that dispensaries and coffeeshops may only serve marijuana vaporized and edibles and legalize marijuana. (It is common sense) - 3 years ago
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saxImilla
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eyeswideshut
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I can't believe how many people have responded in favor of this legislation!!! It's a personal freedom to smoke yourself to death! If this passes in America... then what next? What about alcohol or driving in a car? Don't those kill too???
Did you know that obesity kills more Americans than smoking?
I HOPE ALL YOU FAT PEOPLE WHO POSTED THAT ARE FORCED ONTO A NATIONAL DIET
- 3 years ago
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eyeswideshut
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galwayman
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RudyRusell I agree with you but to many self appointed lifestyle police would interfere with my right to make my own choice on this issue and instead would do anything in their power to prevent self-determination! To those people who feel that I should not have this choice I say: BURN IN HELL!
- 3 years ago
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galwayman
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RudyRudell
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These posts are out of control, how hard is it to just live and let live blah blah blah second-hand smoke blah blah blah, just don't go around people smoking, you have a choice.
- 3 years ago
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RudyRudell
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galwayman
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All you non-smokers who would try to stop me from my right to smoke in private can burn in hell you have no right to impose your beliefs on me! I do not smoke in public! I do not smoke around anyone whom it bothers! Am I addicted? you bet! and until somebody comes up with a way to quit without the servere withdrawl I will continue to exercise my right to choose! BURN IN HELL YOU BASTARDS WHO WOULD IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS ON ME BY FORCE!!!!!
- 3 years ago
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galwayman
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Buddha2112
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galwayman:
Sounds like you could use a nice blunt. :)
- 3 years ago
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Buddha2112
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galwayman
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The lifestyle police are out of control here! What you put in your body is your business not anyone elses! you should be at least able to smoke in your own home! remind me to put this place on my never to visit list!
- 3 years ago
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galwayman
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MetztliTlaloc
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I think maybe the first few times it IS a choice to smoke or not to smoke, but after you are addicted is it really a choice anymore?
- 3 years ago
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MetztliTlaloc
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hippityhoohah
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MetztliTlaloc:
absolutely not.
and some smokers like to claim they function better when they smoke but it's only because their bodies are addicted and they're appeasing the insatiable craving for nicotine that if otherwise unfed will drive them mad
- 3 years ago
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hippityhoohah
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cabinettags
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$100 says a cigarette underground was just born. You can't legislate morality. People insist on being people no matter what you make the law say. People are not one size fits all. It never works trying to make people fit one mold.
- 3 years ago
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cabinettags
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mr_D_mcentyer
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ridiculious, if they want to do it fine, however i am a smoker myself trying to give up, i no the health risks, if we wanted to be told what to do we would all be in the amry or back at school. we are not children we are free thinking adults who have a write to decide where to take our lives if its to an early grave well so be it.
- 3 years ago
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mr_D_mcentyer
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hippityhoohah
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mr_D_mcentyer:
it's the concern of second hand smoke that is of most importance here not the deprivation of smoker's rights to make decisions about what they take into their own bodies.
it's perfectly fine for you to deliberately harm your body, but when it has an adverse effect upon those around you as well, as smoking does seriously with second hand smoke (some studies say it can be even worse for some people due to the fact that they're inhaling it unfiltered)
just get your mind set on quitting.
cigarettes serve no productive purpose what so ever.
they don't help you concentrate nor do they give you a jolt of energy like a cup of coffee.
in fact, cigarettes are the one legal item that if used as prescribed is proven to KILL you over time
- 3 years ago
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hippityhoohah
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ejasun
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Will this help the greenhouse effect?
- 3 years ago
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ejasun
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FallenMorgan
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That, combined with "hate speech" laws in specific countries, goes to show that liberal Democrats are not always the good guys.
- 3 years ago
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FallenMorgan
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frady
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Yeah, let's do this in America - ha ha. Organized crime would have a field day. We can ban beer, fast food and coffee too. And make a law requiring at least an hour of yoga per day, etc...
I think banning smoking in public areas is sufficient.
- 3 years ago
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frady
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hippityhoohah
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frady:
i think a mandatory hour per day of yoga would do our country loads of good.... it would decrease our rates of death due to obesity possibly and help get people motivated to make healthier lifestyle changes... what a neat idea.
- 3 years ago
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hippityhoohah
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sasquatch88
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Stick that in your 'Camel' and smoke it!
- 3 years ago
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sasquatch88
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FallenMorgan
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Liberals: supporters of freedom, democracy, and statism.
Why I'm a libertarian.
- 3 years ago
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FallenMorgan
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Pattyhax
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I don't think anyone is thick enough to believe that cigarettes don't kill. I think the main argument here is that taking away people's right to do something potentially harmful to themselves is an infraction of freedom.
I'm a smoker, and I can understand the bans against smoking indoors, and in public and what not. But for the government to tell me I can't smoke on my own property? That's stripping me of my rights to make decisions about my own body.
I can see a trend developing from this. If the government bans everything harmful then tanning should go, then fast food and candy. Then they'll ban the consumption of alcohol. Then any harmful dissidence will become a crime. At that point we might as well talk in newspeak and pile all our literature in our front lawn so government officials can set it ablaze.
- 3 years ago
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Pattyhax
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FallenMorgan
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More evidence the Democrats are not the sole bastion of freedom in America. They're the biggest supporters of the anti-smoking laws. Some Republicans are the same way, though.
- 3 years ago
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FallenMorgan
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warhawk187
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Deadly to your health or not, I shouldnt have another right taken away just because I choose to do it to myself. Why not ban all greasy foods and anything with sugar in it too, overconsumption of them lead to diseases that kill many people as well.
I should be free to choose what I want or dont want in my body, not the damn government.
- 3 years ago
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warhawk187
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shibumi0202
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As a RN, I have taken care of many people who have had lung cancer or severe COPD and dependent upon oxygen just to breath. If you think that cigarettes do not kill, think again.
Not to mention the money spent on things that go up in smoke! (and I hear they are raising the tax on them again) GOOD!!.
Also, Denmark is actually polled as the happiest nation. Sorry drewsurf721, I mean no disrespect. - 3 years ago
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shibumi0202
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extraordinaryways
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This is great! First nation to be smoking-free, perhaps others will soon follow?
- 3 years ago
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extraordinaryways
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ajiacoysancocho
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I'm not so sure. This would have great health benefits, as well as a bunch of money would be saved, but I keep thinking: Will this turn into the current marijuana issue? A bunch of people will protest, saying they've got rights and all that. Is it worth the trouble?
- 3 years ago
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ajiacoysancocho
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quixotic12
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ajiacoysancocho:
Tell me exactly how money will be saved? Maybe in medical costs down the road, but many people will do what they want in the end no matter what. Just look at marijuana consumption. All this ban will do is drive it underground and send profits to criminals rather than the government.
- 3 years ago
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quixotic12
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ajiacoysancocho
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ajiacoysancocho:
I was thinking that since it can't legally be bought, anyone who doesn't want to buy illegal tobacco will have to quit, thus saving money.
- 2 years ago
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ajiacoysancocho
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mykuh
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Oh how I wish America would follow in Bhutan's footsteps. I dread being forced to inhale second hand smoke.
- 3 years ago
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mykuh
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numinant
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mykuh:
this sort of secondhand smoke hypersensitivity is annoying. people used to be perfectly at ease breathing the shit all day. it's certainly a good thing that people no longer smoke indoors in public places, but passing a smoker on the street isn't going to leech your life away, nor is it as disgusting as our taboos have conditioned us to believe. it's just a bit of smoke, and let me tell you, it's much more pleasant than automobile exhaust.
- 3 years ago
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numinant
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thea_inthecity
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mykuh:
mykuh.. I'd like to know how you feel about other pollutants you breath in, cars, factories, refineries etc.
numinant.. you put it perfectly.
- 3 years ago
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thea_inthecity
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mykuh
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mykuh:
I hate it, thus I live in the country. There's nothing anyone can do about that stuff, it's so mandatory for our way of living right now.
Cigarettes, on the other hand, are not mandatory, and all they do is hurt. If you cut yourself, you would get admitted to the hospital or taken to a shrink because it's not right, even if you liked the pain. Killing yourself is illegal. I think cigarettes are the same thing. They're just another way to hurt yourself.
- 3 years ago
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mykuh
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numinant
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mykuh:
i'm not smoking at the moment, but i don't like people telling me i can't smoke whilst they zoom around in their destruction mobiles, all the while stuffing their faces with drive-thru burgers.
meanwhile, here i am, a cyclist, minimalist, vegan, who sometimes relapses and smokes a bit and I'M the demon. get your priorities straight. your lifestyle likely amounts to chain-smoking cigars the size of scooby doo-sized hoagies.
- 3 years ago
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numinant
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mykuh
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mykuh:
Actually, I'm a vegetarian who doesn't own a vehicle (I walk everywhere), and my new home I'm moving into in August has solar panels hooked up to a battery for storing energy, and a garden.
Thanks for assuming.
- 3 years ago
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mykuh
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samonster34
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mykuh:
haha there's the end of that thread
- 3 years ago
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samonster34
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thea_inthecity
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mykuh:
thats awesome! you didn't like what was going on so you decided to do something that worked for you. that sounds like a great answer.
cigarettes and other vices amongst a million other things in out diets and daily lives are hazardous to our health, i just don't understand why it's the cigarettes that are such a big issue.
- 3 years ago
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thea_inthecity
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ClareW
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I can't decide what this is - a serious curb on personal freedom or an indication of just how bad smoking really is for your health.
- 3 years ago
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ClareW
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neocongo
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ClareW:
Yes.
- 3 years ago
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neocongo
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numinant
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yeah, bhutan coined that phrase 'gross domestic happiness'
they do have some pretty draconian policies though, but at least they're in the interest of human welfare and not corporate profit or something.
- 3 years ago
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numinant
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drewsuf721
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I love it. Little known fact: Bhutanese rank as #1 on the happiness scale.
- 3 years ago
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drewsuf721
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numinant
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more sensical than marijuana prohibition, anyway.
- 3 years ago
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numinant
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AnemicElitist
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numinant:
Agreed.
- 3 years ago
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AnemicElitist
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neocongo
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ugh
- 3 years ago
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neocongo
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cantucwearebrothers
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I await the day this can be said about America.
- 3 years ago
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cantucwearebrothers
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Ihatethemall
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cantucwearebrothers:
oh come on....do we really want to take away more of our rights
- 3 years ago
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Ihatethemall
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TabulaRasa
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cantucwearebrothers:
Ihatethemall... simply yes when it comes to the welfare of others. Smoking has no benefits at all and if they do, they are null short term benefits... hence people repeatedly smoking
- 3 years ago
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TabulaRasa
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kcfoxie
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cantucwearebrothers:
Aren't we allow the right to chose bad things? By taking away the right to make a bad decision you further perpetuate the "Your free to do as we tell you" rhetoric.
- 3 years ago
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kcfoxie
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jomahu
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cantucwearebrothers:
yes, let us adults only be allowed do the things YOU agree with. that's democracy.
- 3 years ago
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jomahu
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chelseaf89
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cantucwearebrothers:
kcfoxie: If that were so, they nothing should be illegal. We should be free to choose not to do drugs and kill people.
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chelseaf89
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unimatrix0
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cantucwearebrothers:
prohibition is wrong, it will fail, a blackmarket will flourish, and with it crime and other undesirable behavior.
The US is on the right track. Tax the hell out of it so it hurts financially to smoke and educate people at the same time.
Smoking has become a class thing - mostly only the old or people on the low end of the socio economic scale smoke cigarettes; at least on the liberal left coast that is.
- 3 years ago
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unimatrix0
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stephenthomson
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cantucwearebrothers:
I agree with unimatrix, TAX the hell out of it.
As a smoker, i know the struggle. i wish it were made easier for me.
- 3 years ago
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stephenthomson