Top 5 lies about Israel’s assault on Gaza

Is this a hate war or a propaganda war? Just curious. I see alot of both.

Is that his name or did I confuse him with a porn star, oops. See I admit when I make a mistake.

There's your sollution. Why don't you guys get together and send the Palestinians some solar panels. Shine some light on the situation.

Nonsense!!

Just because you say it does not make it true.

Stop Israeli Propaganda Now!!!!!

Please be aware that no country, save the US, has as much accountability during war time as Israel. If you can name one I'd like to see.
Please also be aware that while Israel was designed to protect "Jews," from persecution abroad, internal trials are conducted.
Please be aware that mistakes are made by individuals, and that the individuals are due a trial and are innocent until proven guilty. If those individuals are deemed guilty they will be brought to justice and jail. Racism would be to condemn an entire race for the mistakes of a few.
Please be aware that there is no such accountability for Hamas, Sudan, or any other Arab regime. Al-Bashir has now murdered and starved millions in Sudan. In contrast the Israelis cut off power because they pay for it. If one can make rockets, one should make solar panels.

Once again, young buck, your naivete' shows in your argument.
Every time I have spoken of death it is with regret. I saw skeletons in Africa with more compassion than Hamas.
There is no similarity between Gaza and a concentration camp.
Listen to you, you insult an entire race with a blanket generalization.
You judge every case as if you were finished with the trial.
I just want to say, my 80 year old grandma was within rocket range.
I don't give a shit what your opinion is. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I have never stolen land. I give blood for "real," starving kids. The building my gramma lives in was once an Orange grove owned by her cousins since the before the Ottoman empire. Cousins are dead, went nuts and lost it all, she's the inheritor, she has a right to her land. Or her fucking condo.
I am not pro-death. I am for a strengthened Fatah with EU backing to avoid corruption. Most Israelis are.
If you don't condemn Hamas, you are sanctioning the death of hundreds of Fatah men, women and children shot point blank when Abbas was progressing with peace talks. Can you live with this???????

"And still I see no changes, can't a brother get a little peace, there's war down south and a war in the Middle East, stead of a war on poverty, they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me"
Tupac
Mine and my cousins song:)

Interesting gear head fact,
The Africans drive late model Toyota Celicas for cabs.
Abed from Jericho, my homie who likes the hashish and almost took me to Caesarea for an Ian Anedrson concert, drives a Benzo. In fact, someone should really do a survey of the number of Benzo's in Palestine, it's outrageous.
What Palestinians call, refugee camp, is actually most of the time a modern city (same with what Israelis call a settlement). As of December 23rd, there was video in Palestine of full grocery stores.

Side Note: Every dead baby head is disgusting and wrong, yes. But one must recognize that the situation is far more complex than blaming one side or race. I have no controll over where I was born either, or where my wonderful family lives. They are teachers, EMT's, and gamblers and cancer victims. They are refugees of Russia or Morrocco married most often to native Israelis who's families pre date the Ottomans. I am fighting so Shabi can deliver babies of all races, like the day he called me in LA and said, "I just delivered an Israeli and Palestinian and Ethiopian baby in one day!" That guy has a right to exist.

Mymicz1:

Israel will call anyone that leads the Palestinian people terrorists. That’s a part of the Israeli strategy to a one state solution.

Your race has insulted humanity for stealing land, committing genocide, destroying infrastructure, sending millions into refugee camps and has turned Gaza into a concentration camp.

Yes you and your people are responsible for this so man up to it. You make Israel sound like it does not have any blood on its hands.

Also not buying your claim as a sid worker. Aid workers don't wish death apon thousands!!

"Do you smoke that shit to escape from reality?"
Platoon

Can't you guys come up with any argument that isn't, "liar liar pants on fire." Yeah, thats me, 5'2", big nose, loves African kids. No, I do not "prefer," the slaughter of Palestinian children. But if you want to talk about the destitute or the malnourished, you really ought to go both to Palestine and to this place and do a proportionate analysis of aid. You will realize the discrepancy immediately. Tell me, did the raped women of Sudan throw rockets at their neighbors? I think not. I am not a propogandist. I am a human being with feelings. And you guys have insulted my race. I was responding to someone who claimed I was uneducated after she told me she had read Salman Rushdie but didn't even know te content. Go ahead, back her up with, "liar liar pants on fire." It's a real educated argument.

Birdman, your argument lacks depth and intellect. Seriously read my comment again.

Hamas only does this as a retaliation to Israeli control over its people.

If the us isolated Mexico from the rest of the world and shut off water, electricity, food supplies, medicine and all other goods and left the people of Mexico to die, we would expect a retaliation from Mexico such as a rocket attack.

Why should Palestinians have to leave their homeland?!?!?

If Israel agrees to a two state solution and allows the Palestinians to govern and run their own country it would be completely different.

Israel runs the Palestinians territories as modern concentration camps. They regulate the food, electricity, water, medicine and all other goods, aid and have systematically taken the land of Palestinians. When ever the Palestinians argue them they shut all borders, water and electricity into Gaza.

As long as Israel keeps killing the innocent, destroying their homes, infrastructure and pushes the Palestinians further into poverty, they will have groups resist them such as Hamas which is by the way the democratically elected government of the Palestinians.

YOU ALSO DONT SEE THE HUGE ARAB WORLD OPENING THEIR COUNTRIES TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE THERE .. OR EVEN HELP IN ANY WAY !!

ARABS HAVE LIKE HALF OF THE FREAKIN PLANET AND THE JEWS HAVE A PIECE OF LAND THE SIZE OF NEW JERSEY !!! AND ISRAEL HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK FOR YEARS !!! IM GLAD THEY ARE FIGHTING BACK !!

ISRAEL WAS UNDER ATTACK FOR YEARS PEOPLE !!

HOW DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THAT ????

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So Hamas can fire rockets at innocent civilians in Isreal then go hide amongst women and children and that is all good?

The basis for the modern State of Israel is the persecution of the Jewish people, which is undeniable. The Jews have been held captive, massacred, disadvantaged in every possible fashion by the Egyptians, the Romans, the English, the Russians, the Babylonians, the Canaanites and, most recently, the Germans under Hitler

Check out the conversation or leave a reply here: http://current.com/items/89752779/us_aid_to_israel.htm#89756687

The windows of my soul
Are made of one way glass
Don't bother looking into my eyes
If there's something you want to know,
Just ask
I got a dead bolt stroll
Where I'm going is clear
I won't wait for you to wonder
I'll just tell you why I'm here

'Cause I know the biggest crime
Is just to throw up your hands
Say
This has nothing to do with me
I just want to live as comfortably as I can
You got to look outside your eyes
You got to think outside your brain
You got to walk outside you life
To where the neighborhood changes

Tell me who is your boogieman
That's who I will be
You don't have to like me for who I am
But we'll see what you're made of
By what you make of me
I think that it's absurd
That you think I am the derelict daughter
I fight fire with words
Words are hotter than flames
Words are wetter than water

I got friends all over this country
I got friends in other countries too
I got friends I haven't met yet
I got friends I never knew
I got lovers whose eyes
I've only seen at a glance
I got strangers for great grandchildren
I got strangers for ancestors

I was a long time coming
I'll be a long time gone
You've got your whole life to do something
And that's not very long
So why don't you give me a call
When you're willing to fight
For what you think is real
For what you think is right

Ani DiFranco

Magna Cum Laude means straight A's plus Vierotchka.

I'm all city is heavy I drop elephant shit
Smear the face of a facist fused pulpit, hey

"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961

Mik661

THIS is what MiK661 thinks:
Yo, Highr0ller!

mik661 has responded after your comment on Current.com:

mik661 said:

Maybe your poor oppressed palestinians should avoid voting a terrorist organization as their leaders. This blood is on the hands of Hamas. I think the Israeli's have shown immense retraint. If it was my choice I would give all 1.5 million people in Gaza a week to get out before i sent in the tanks and bulldozers. Why dont their Arab brothers in Syria, Iran and Jordan come help them? Give them land? Offer them jobs and homes? Jordan is the Palestinian state but they could care less about the people of Gaza. they are only insteresed in having their influence in Military positions such as the golan Heights in their never ending scheming to eliminate Israel.

Check out the conversation or leave a reply here: http://current.com/items/89695021/israel_and_palestine_the_case_for_non_interven...

Why should the Jews ever be at peace with a religion that specifically spells out the duty of all Muslims to kill Jews onsite and exterminate them from the world as pigs and descendants of apes? Or is that a different Koran?

And you know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, bow We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! Holy Quran 2:65.

Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? Worse (is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen! Worse is he of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. Holy Quran 5:60

So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed! Holy Quran 7:166

deja vu: poor people slaughtered by the thousands and the "League of Nations," is idle....

Of course you dont-birdman!!!! The writer put it pretty bluntly and truthfully..Israel has lied many times---- moreover, they've been caught as well---red handed!!!!!! and where's your argument..you just say its a lie and thats it (except for calling him a nazi, which is ironic since Israel has committed some horrific acts, criminal mind you....)

Aha after reading about the alleged lies I came to an opinion about the writer.

Yep! No doubt a rebadged NAZI!

Am sure that this individual read the book 1984 and now has applied his own spin of double-think on this topic.

Certainly a "spin doctor" like Hitlers Minister of Propaganda during WWII. A lie repeated often enough can and will be believed by the uninformed.

Nope don't buy into these arguments at all.

Here's the Law Israel is facing for War Crimes:

Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons (Protocol III). Geneva, 10 October 1980.
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Article 1

Definitions

For the purpose of this Protocol:
1. "Incendiary weapon" means any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target. (a) Incendiary weapons can take the form of, for example, flame throwers, fougasses, shells, rockets, grenades, mines, bombs and other containers of incendiary substances.
(b) Incendiary weapons do not include:
(i) Munitions which may have incidental incendiary effects, such as illuminants, tracers, smoke or signalling systems;
(ii) Munitions designed to combine penetration, blast or fragmentation effects with an additional incendiary effect, such as armour-piercing projectiles, fragmentation shells, explosive bombs and similar combined-effects munitions in which the incendiary effect is not specifically designed to cause burn injury to persons, but to be used against military objectives, such as armoured vehicles, aircraft and installations or facilities.
2. "Concentration of civilians" means any concentration of civilians, be it permanent or temporary, such as in inhabited parts of cities, or inhabited towns or villages, or as in camps or columns of refugees or evacuees, or groups of nomads.
3. "Military objective" means, so far as objects are concerned, any object which by its nature, location, purpose or use makes an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.
4. "Civilian objects" are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 3.
5. "Feasible precautions" are those precautions which are practicable or practically possible taking into account all circumstances ruling at the time, including humanitarian and military considerations.

Article 2
Protection of civilians and civilian objects

1. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
3. It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.
4. It is prohibited to make forests or other kinds of plant cover the object of attack by incendiary weapons except when such natural elements are used to cover, conceal or camouflage combatants or other military objectives, or are themselves military objectives.

derek901: NO civilian casualties is the standard. Even if Israel did kill less civilians, it does not make this any better.

We are trying to move forward in this world and become more compassionate for one another as all your human religions preach love as the most important thing yet you and many fail to embrace it by justifying a reason for killing by hiding behind fear which your government imbred in you and your people(not specific to any nation).

Israel should stand for war crimes for their use of phospherous bombs and cluster bombs and for keeping the Palestinians in the terrible conditions in Gaza. Further this action should set a new initiative for prosecuting all nations that kill civilians, because a specie at war with itself is doomed in the end.

I find derek901's comparison to Chechnya interesting. For those who don't know, organizations such as Human Rights Watch have, and continue to call for Russian accountability in the region (just as they have in the recent Georgian invasion).

Derek's comments however reminded me of one similarity between these different disputed states and the conflict that surrounds them: racism.

Boris Yeltsin called Chechans "rabid dogs," just as Menachem Begin labeled Palestinians "beasts walking on two legs." I'm not saying the other side aren't guilty of their own prejudices, but the other sides in these conflicts don't claim to be democracies and don't give the impression to the rest of the world that they promise equality to all their citizens.

Yet what really raised my eyebrows was derek901's claim that there were no peace demonstrations (he calls them "bigoted hate-fests") for Rwanda or Darfur. How odd, especially since I have pictures of myself participating in more than one for each cause. They must have been photoshopped and planted on me by anti-Semites.

errrr, we are not throwing war crime around..its pretty obvious unless you were born under a rock. Been the top of the news throughout the world the last several days and it just gets worse for Israel...they have prima facia evidence that Israel used WP on the population on purpose...

so wake up, do your homework and come back with a reasonable response. Israel is a criminal state

People who use "logic" and I use that term loosely in the manner of worldpeace make my brain hurt. You are the same people that are pro-choice and anti-death penalty. Seriously, I love how people throw the phrase war crimes around so easily.

Another Ad Hoc theory by World Peace

As mentioned earlier, there is a difference between argument and explanation. If we're interested in establishing A, and B is offered as evidence, the statement "A because B" is an argument. If we're trying to establish the truth of B, then "A because B" is not an argument, it's an explanation.

The Ad Hoc fallacy is to give an after-the-fact explanation which doesn't apply to other situations. Often this ad hoc explanation will be dressed up to look like an argument. For example, if we assume that God treats all people equally, then the following is an ad hoc explanation:

"I was healed from cancer."

"Praise the Lord, then. He is your healer."

"So, will He heal others who have cancer?"

"Er... The ways of God are mysterious."

ie: "well they're fighting in a crowded area they must be targeting civilians."

GO TO SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!

Well, you can't just talk about Jews. Nor can you just talk about the Jewish state. Any discussion of war crimes must be comparative and contextual. If Russia did not commit war crimes when its soldiers massacred tens of thousands of Chechnyans (not even in a defensive war) then on what basis could Israel be accused of accidentally killing a far fewer number of human shields in an effort to protect its civilians? What are the standards? Why are they not being applied equally or selectively? Can human rights endure in the face of such unequal and selective application? These are the questions the international community should be debating, not whether Israel, and Israel alone, violated the norms of that vaguest of notions called "international law" or the "law of war."

If Israel, and Israel alone among democracies fighting defensive wars, were ever to be charged with "war crimes," that would mark the end of international human rights law as a neutral arbitrator of conduct. Any international tribunal that were to charge Israel, having not charged the many nations that have done far worse, will lose any remaining legitimacy among fair-minded people of good will,

If the laws of war in particular, and international human rights in general, are to endure, they must be applied to nations in order of the seriousness of the violations, not in order of the political unpopularity of the nations. If the law of war were applied in this manner, Israel would be among the last, and certainly not the first, charged.

The problem stems from the blurring of Hamas' actual definition as a terrorist organization or legitimate governing body. On the US- and Israeli-axis, Hamas has been deemed a terrorist organization, whereas nations like Iran, Jordan, and others believe Hamas is a legitimate governing body.

Hamas does have a history of activity that would make it easy to perceive them as a terrorist threat, but it stems strongly from the idea that Christianity is a threat to Islam. If the Muslim body would focus more on being proactive within their faith, and through contributions to the world with their faith, the Christian threat would appear to be no more than a thin air fairytale.

Christian-based faiths on the other hand need to respect boundaries. That is a part of the world where they are trying to spread Christ-like ideals that don't fit in with the long-term Islamic ideals of most nations. The most important thing to do would be for key Christian, and Christian-based faiths to issue messages of support for Islam and state firmly that while nations like Iran oppose Israel's existence, the country is not intended to stand in opposition to Islamic faith. As Islam's most sacred artifacts and beliefs center in that region, so do those of Christianity, which should be a clear indication that the two bodies are not meant to be enemies, but close brothers.

Karma..
is not a mystical being, its a mathmatical equation.

I think it is about time people quit pointing fingers and actually take responsibility. Both sides are guilty. Both sides need to resolve this issue before both populations are decimated because their leaders are too proud to let the other live in peace.

whats happening over there is a fuckin atrocity. not looking forward to the blowback

All they did was lie the whole time they were killing people. we seen the videos where they used innocent people as human shield. we have proof of every lie that was told by Israel. not one time did i see proof that Hamas used people as human shields. Even though I am sure there will be some to argue and say that they did. We have proof that they cut food supplies as well as fuel, medical, electric. They may try to hide the truth from the world, But its a little too late Israel. we all know how you lied and committed war crimes. now you will pay for the crimes you committed. you have no face value with the world anymore. You are a blood thirsty monster. may you rot in jail cells.Peace

A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads. It was necessary to cleanse the villages from which our convoys and our settlements were fired on.

In other words, when Jews target and kill innocent civilians to advance their national struggle, they are patriots. When their adversaries do so, they are terrorists.

It is too easy to describe Hamas simply as a ‘terror organisation’. It is a religious nationalist movement that resorts to terrorism, as the Zionist movement did during its struggle for statehood…

Even Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been regarded as a traitor to his own people for blaming Hamas for the suffering of the people of Gaza. Palestinians are also well aware of Abbas' past perceived betrayals in conniving with Israel and the US to sideline the democratically elected Hamas government, culminating in a counter-coup by Hamas in which it expelled Fatah (the military wing of Abbas' Palestine Authority) from the Gaza Strip. While his apparent goal was to weaken Hamas and strengthen his own position, the Palestinians and other Arabs in the Middle East are so outraged at Abbas that it is unlikely he will be able to govern effectively.

Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.

Israel claims it sent radio and telephone text messages to residents of Gaza warning them to flee from the coming bombardment. But the people of Gaza have nowhere to flee to. They are trapped within the Gaza Strip. It is by Israeli design that they cannot escape across the border. It is by Israeli design that they have no food, water, or fuel by which to survive. It is by Israeli design that hospitals in Gaza have no electricity and few medical supplies with which to treat the injured and save lives. And Israel has bombed vast areas of Gaza, targeting civilian infrastructure and other sites with protected status under international law. No place is safe within the Gaza Strip.

Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.

Israel never observed the cease-fire to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law.

Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others.

Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response by militants to the Israeli attacks.

Israel's actions, including its violation of the cease-fire, predictably resulted in an escalation of rocket attacks against its own population.

Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.

There has been no evidence that Hamas has used human shields. The fact is, as previously noted, Gaza is a small piece of property that is densely populated. Israel engages in indiscriminate warfare such as the assassination of Nizar Rayan, in which members of his family were also murdered. It is victims like his dead children that Israel defines as “human shields” in its propaganda. There is no legitimacy for this interpretation under international law. In circumstances such as these, Hamas is not using human shields, Israel is committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Conventions and other applicable international law.

Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.

The populations of those Arab countries are outraged at Israel’s actions and at their own governments for not condemning Israel’s assault and acting to end the violence. Simply stated, the Arab governments do not represent their respective Arab populations. The populations of the Arab nations have staged mass protests in opposition to not only Israel's actions but also the inaction of their own governments and what they view as either complacency or complicity in Israel's crimes.

Moreover, the refusal of Arab nations to take action to come to the aid of the Palestinians is not because they agree with Israel’s actions, but because they are submissive to the will of the US, which fully supports Israel. Egypt, for instance, which refused to open the border to allow Palestinians wounded in the attacks to get medical treatment in Egyptian hospitals, is heavily dependent upon US aid, and is being widely criticized within the population of the Arab countries for what is viewed as an absolute betrayal of the Gaza Palestinians.

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