Chicago Lawmakers fight to block Wal-Mart
source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123429120871869301.html
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The world's largest retailer, which so far has been able to build only one store in the nation's third-largest city, hopes to open a half-dozen more in the coming years, according to the company and politicians familiar with its plans. It has been heavily courting Chicago leaders and is studying a dozen potential sites.
Wal-Mart, whose stores are largely concentrated in rural and suburban markets, has long struggled to penetrate the largest American cities amid fierce opposition from politicians sympathetic to organized labor and small business groups concerned the discounter would steal sales from smaller retailers.
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William_Miller
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wal-mart creates jobs a lot of jobs. Wal-mart does nothing different than any other retailer. he economical benefits of a large corporation which hires from the surrounding community. bringing people in to spend as well as work. Is far more beneficial then no no jobs and no new customers.
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William_Miller
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estee_arie
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good luck - walmart blows. they clain to be all american but all there inventory is from somewhere else- including now cars.
- 3 years ago
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estee_arie
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estee_arie
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i remember when walmart was just in louisiana and every time we went it was an event- now i cringe @ that place. good luck fighting them off and out of your state- its nearly impossible..
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estee_arie
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sk8bs55
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Yeah not on my watch.
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sk8bs55
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BlackWeirdo
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I only shop at stores that pay employees well, have health beni'z, and great return policy'z. Check: Costco......
- 3 years ago
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BlackWeirdo
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specialk82
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too bad we don't live in a perfect world so we could all stop bitching
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specialk82
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stopnoise
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Every industry that produce low pay jobs and market monopoly it is not good. It has to be a combination of product distribution, services and fair paid jobs with benefits to its employees. Otherwise, forget it!
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stopnoise
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Mattattack
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The thing people have to keep in mind when speaking of living in a world with no wal-mart is where to start the clock.
About 50-60 years ago, employment was not as scarce as it is today. Furthermore, the education level required to get a decent paying job was much less than today, with a high-school diploma probably being equivalent to the average income of a B.A./B.S. holder of today. This is largely due to the domestic industry in the U.S., i.e the factories and production plnats of all those companies whom wal-mart buys from at whole-sale and retails to us.
The question you have to keep in mind is HOW do they keep prices so low? Well they do it and started doing it buy bullying their whole-salers. Wal-mart got so large that they dictated the price in which they would buy from the various companies, and said companies had no choice but to sell at that price. If they didn't sell to wal-mart, they didn't sell. To stay in business with these undercuts by wal-mart, companies had no choice but to out-source their factories and productions plants that used to pay decent salaries to American laborers.
So the reason people need to buy at wal-mart prices is because wal-mart made previous middle-class jobs go to other countries, where obviously the people are paid much less. So people have no choice but to work at minimum-wage jobs. Jobs like, ya know. Wal-mart.
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Mattattack
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MuggsMcGuinness
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Wal-Mart has successfully created the artificially low prices for goods manufactured by cheap labor in China. If people were willing to pay the real cost of a shirt, and in turn, get paid real wages for producing that shirt, we would have a viable economy.
See our music video addressing these issues on youtube called "Nothing Could Be Finer."
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MuggsMcGuinness
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mario_a
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hey gooma2,
glad to see your story featured on the Current homepage! your headline was getting cut off, so i shortened it a little bit so the whole message was visible.
here's your original headline:
"Look Out Chicago: Lawmakers Fight To Block Wal-Mart"
let me know if you have any questions,
mario
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mario_a
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shylor
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Well, lets see went to a shoe store the other week to get shoes, cost $200 my dad just paid for it and we talked later. We were both disappointed. I won't ever go to a mama and papa shop again. I do not want to pay the guys week check in 15 minutes. At wal-mart I can buy 8 pairs of shoes with that and make them last a year each.
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shylor
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Mark701
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shylor:
Were they the same brand shoes? Bet that $200 pair would have last a lot long than the ones he got at Wal Mart.
Another thing to keep in mind is this. Whenever you see name brand item at Wal Mart that is know for quality, don't assume you are getting a high quality item. What companies have done is, in order to meet what Wal Mart will pay them for their product, they produce a lower quality product! So for example you always bought Oster toasters because you are impressed with their quality and you see one at Wal Mart and purchase it. Don't assume that same product at Wal Mart is the same quality toaster you've purchased in the past because it won't be, if fact, can't be because of the pricing constraints placed on them by Wal Mart.
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Mark701
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k8_hj
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Here's the problem: there are no lo-cost grocery stores in Chicago, not Chicagoland but like downtown Chicago where there's a lot of lower income families. So the people who live there either have to shop at convenience marts or find some sort of transportation out to the suburbs to go to a Walmart. Personally, I'm not a fan of Walmart, I'm not sure why anyone shops there. In short sight it lets people "live better" but in reality were sending all of our money, that could and would help out our struggling economy, to China. Seems pretty stupid to me. No matter how many stimulus checks we give out as long as were not putting it back into the american economy were not going to get anywhere.
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k8_hj
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deadharbor
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I love big marts not because of the price but because I can find anything there. I'm really picky about the junk food I eat, lol.
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deadharbor
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carmalite
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deadharbor:
Next time you go in there count the numbers of really overweight people you see!!!!!!!!!! Once my hubby and I did that. He counted all the average or normal weight we say and I counted the overweight and obese and I won!!!!!!!!!
All that white bread.....carbs without fiber..........sugar
- 3 years ago
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carmalite
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HathamAlShabibi
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Wal-Mart is awesome. They started small, and did what they had to do to become what they are today. It's called hard work and capitalism. Half the people on here bitching probably will go tonight.
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HathamAlShabibi
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GoliathandDavid
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HathamAlShabibi:
No it's called withholding benefits, importing everything from China, and operating on a largely underage overseas labor force, If this is corporate success in America, then count me out.
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GoliathandDavid
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wisermeiser
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HathamAlShabibi:
I feel that you should look deeper than the cheap prices you see when you walk in the door. Educate yourself, then you can argue your point.
P.S. I'll take my Super Target anyday. Just across the street from Wal-fart.
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wisermeiser
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Mark701
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HathamAlShabibi:
GoliathandDavid is dead on accurate. Their success has come at an exceptionally high cost to retail and industrial workers throughout the country. They have suppressed wages, withheld health care, hired illegal aliens, broken labor laws, destroyed the local economies of countless towns, and insisted on tax subsidies despite making billions in profits and forced manufacturers to sell their products at such low prices that they had to move to a foreign country in order to survive. Also 99% percent of the crap they sell comes from China, not the USA. This does NOTHING for the US economy. Oh, they encourage their workers to collect state medical benefits too. That means YOU are paying the health care costs for their employee.
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Mark701
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carmalite
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HathamAlShabibi:
I only go in there for one thing, I can't find elsewhere. Everyone looks misserable. If I can't find my real orange air spray, it takes 20 minutes for someone to assist.
The real wal mart haters don't go in there. Believe me I know many.
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carmalite
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hollowman218
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I just found out they are going to build a Walmart in my town, even thought there are already 2 walmarts 20 mins away from here. This is fucking rediculous. When the bombs finally drop, everyones going to be looking for the nearest walmart to loot
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hollowman218
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carmalite
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hollowman218:
If there is a natural disaster, I hope they loot all the wal marts first.
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carmalite
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hollowman218
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I just found out they are going to build a Walmart in my town, even thought there are already 2 walmarts 20 mins away from here. This is fucking rediculous. When the bombs finally drop, everyones going to be looking for the nearest walmart to loot
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hollowman218
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carmalite
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hollowman218:
They are the Darth Vader of corporations and their evil sinister goal is to take over retail all over the world, then like good corporate souless minions of the great Satan, they will slowely jack up the prices.
Looks like they are doing to your area what they are doing to mine..................I shop online, locally and only go into china mart when it is not available elsewhere. I know some people who go in there with T shirts saying that Union employees make more money and benefits just to annoy pig mart managers.
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carmalite
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omshaantih
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walmart sucks and i dont buy anything from there...i buy most of my produce from organic foods market locally...and all my clothes are also organic...
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omshaantih
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carmalite
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omshaantih:
When I was in Seattle, I got some really classy things at consignment shops. I got a hand woven alpaca long cape and to this day, women stop me and say "where did you get that, its beautiful?" One in a fabric shop even made me take it off so she could see how it was knitted as she thought she could create one.
$18 then. Probably not the same in Seattle now as when I was there it was booming. But considering that rich people are selling things, there still might be bargains.
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carmalite
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clownpuncher
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Well we can see who the Liberal Socialists are. WalMart employs thousand upon thousands of Americans so why dont you all get off their backs.
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clownpuncher
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krush_productions
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clownpuncher:
Walmart employs thousands of illegals too, that are underpaid without benefits. Who then send all the money back home, I don't see that keeping the economy stable.
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krush_productions
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clownpuncher:
I have yet to see any illegals working there so keep the make believe passion alive. Just because someone is hispanic or chinese or whatever, dosent make them illegal.
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clownpuncher
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clownpuncher:
i know an illegal immigrant who worked there
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donkeyfly69
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carmalite
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clownpuncher:
Wal-Mart has been accused of telling illegals they are removing taxes, SS and medicare and then Wal Mart shorts the illegal by KEEPING the money.
If Wal Mart paid living wages, It would not be so terrible for our economy. 3 or 4 years ago the CEO of Wal Mart made 238 million dollars and the average worker 13,000 a year. They teach the employees how to apply for medicade and food stamps!!!!!!!
IOW we the taxpayers are subsidizing Wal Mart's employees when it has more than enough momey to do that. Costco pays benefits and a living wage, but their CEO does not make 238 million a year.
Imagine what all the executives at Wal Mart make if the CEO makes 238 million? If Costco can have upper management make enough but still pay a living wage and benefits, so can Wal Mart. Wal Mart inho, and it is my opinion, is committing economic treason against workers and the USA by making taxpayers pay what they should be paying. That is unamerican and unpatriotic.
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carmalite
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Mark701
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clownpuncher:
Jesus, people like you are really clueless.
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Mark701
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carmalite
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clownpuncher:
You think I am a liberal socialist because I think a man or woman who works should earn a living wage? LOL
I remember when the Right Wing was Right and not so far Right that they wanted capitalism to be kill or be killed and a sense of humanity or community existed.
Perhaps someone will kick you in the face when you are unemployed and down and out and can't find work except at burger king, And then they can call you a loser and lazy American. That is what is usually takes for insane ideologues to wake up. They need a little taste of what they give out. I have seen it cure a few.
Once my sister became unemployed and lost everything she stopped being a conservative, and she was only a moderate sane conservative at that.Thanks for calling me a liberal socialist. But I am really A Democratic Socialist . Like the kind they have in Denmark, Sweaden and other more educated countries than the USA.
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carmalite
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carmalite
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We should continue to invest in China instead of America. CEOs should make more while employees make less because it will result in the end, which the corporate aristocrachy wishes, 2 classes!
When they manufacture in Slave labor china, they get hurge bonusus, and American retail workers don't even get a living wage job, but the CEOs make more and that is what is really imortant. The privilidged should push down the ordinary citizen as it is his birth right.
Even if America becomes a poor bananna republoic, the CEOs and executives will still be rich.
So suck it up stupid American workers. Work to help the rich and not yourselves.
They have been downing labor for years so they could achieve this and you bought into it, just as they ripped up off in the fake securitization scam with mortgages.
You can accept it or fight it. Lots of you accept it and that is the first step to becomming a bannan republic. - 3 years ago
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carmalite
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bansheewail
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Everyone should see The Hugh Cost of Low Prices a documentary film by Robert Greenwald and Brave New Films. It will shock you.
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bansheewail
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scotious
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Wally World is China's best friend, selling all their crap merchandise. Yet how many idiot Americans continue to flock their. Don't like Wal-mart? Don't shop there!!
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scotious
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passjay
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So let it be written...so let it be done.Walmart is one of the most descriminitive corporations on this planet. Oooops!!! Did I mention corporation? Don't let me get started on the bellout plan that is supposed to save American life as we know it. Pleeeeease.....Walmart, are you serious now?
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passjay
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ignignokt
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Has anyone seen The High Cost of Low Prices ? Great movie, check it out.
Wally World actually has training classes for it's employees on how to apply for welfare and medicaid.
WE pay for the low prices, one way or the other. - 3 years ago
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ignignokt
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SDLN
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Wal-Mart. When locusts advertise.
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SDLN
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Jonathonish
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Please! More minimum wage jobs with no benefits!
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Jonathonish
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ZergButt4U
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Wall mart is evil. Enough said.
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ZergButt4U
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UWAZell
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I love how people complain that Wal-Mart are putting out the small mom and pop stores by offering goods at much lower prices that are ALWAYS low. Try living in a country where there is no Wally-World and let me know how you enjoy paying double what the cost of food is. That said, I hate Crap-Mart as much as the next bloke and when I lived in the states I shopped at Super Target. However what I would not give for them to come to Oz and show these companies that the way they have inflated prices in the last five years is unacceptable.
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UWAZell
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UWAZell:
"Try living in a country where there is no Wally-World and let me know how you enjoy paying double what the cost of food is."
i already shop at locally owned shops, i already pay double the amount, i enjoy very much. maybe you should try it!
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donkeyfly69
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extblues
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Yes, yes, The Big Wal is evil; it drives down prices making it hard for so-called "mom and pop" stores to compete on their level, and they regularly exploit their employees buy paying them starvation wages and offering sub-standard health care insurance (...among many other nefarious practices).
I get that...
But when your stuck in the middle of a big city at 2 a.m. looking for a chocolate chip cookie fix and the best you can do is pay three bucks for a tiny package at the nearest "convenience" store (...since all of the local bodegas are closed because they can't afford to be open 24/7) that would otherwise cost less than a buck fifty at a Big Box, you start to wonder if having a few around isn't such a bad idea after all...
It is a double-edged sword I admit...
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extblues
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extblues:
Cmon'. That view trivializes the whole situation. I don't think your gonna start a retirement fund or buy a home with the massive savings you earned because you went to WalMart everytime you got a chocolate chip cookie fix. WalMart has low prices and that's difficult for small businesses to compete with. Their massive growth is great for them but not ideal for the economy. Economies thrive the most when there are many different sized companies as opposed to top heavy with large corporations. Besides, saving money on your grocery bill is only important if you do something smart with the savings rather than just buying more stuff. Americans are still the least responsible at putting away money for retirement. I personally am not a person who is always looking for a deal. For example, I do some of my shopping at Whole Foods. Whole Foods is expensive but I love the store, the products they sell, etc. I understand that when I make a purchase at Whole Foods that I am doing my part to keep them in business. I believe that many people who live in metropolitan cities don't want to shop at the same place all of the time. We like variety even if it costs us more. We sure as shitte don't wanna buy our friggen' clothes from WalMart! I think it's very responsible for Chicago legislators to keep WalMart out. WalMart will not suffer because of this. They are strong and will always be with us. But they don't need more stores. Enough already. The economy isn't going to turn around because WalMart keeps opening new stores because the wages they pay are low enough that their employees don't have significant buying power. They can afford to shop at discount retailers. Now, who's the largest discount retailer? WalMart. Just having a job isn't quite enough. When enough of us have jobs which pay enough so that we can spread our money around to many kinds of retailers, not just discount chains, then the economy will improve. If WalMart wanted to help they would invest in higher pay rather than more stores. But that would be a sacrifice. People say that WalMart employs a lot of people as if they are doing it as a favor. They need employees. But the employees need higher pay to gain greater spending power. WalMart has reached a level that would enable them to make a more significant impact on our economy than just offering low paying wages and a store that sells 'everything'.
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Skyebeka
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extblues:
I HOPE you are kidding. Are you seriously putting your chocolate chip cookie craving over the importance of workers wages, treatment, and the economy? Keep more stocked in your pantry.
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wisermeiser
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extblues:
Like I said, I am fully aware of the Wal-Mart corporation's many failings, both toward its employees and to the global economy at large. But these reasons don't change the fact that it's business model is based on a concept that any Econ 101 student can understand: if you charge less for an item (...like a package of the aforementioned chocolate chip cookies, or a set of steel-belted radial tires, or a hamburger, or whatever you happen to be selling) than your competition, by whatever means necessary, then consumers are more likely to buy your product.
Or, in other words, that's capitalism...and once you find something that works (...and that is, more or less, guaranteed to turn some kind of profit), it's hard to move away from it. The idea of what Wal-Mart does has become so ubiquitous in our culture (...and other cultures around the world) that it's going to be around for quite awhile unless something better can be brought to the table.
Sure, I would love to shop at a Whole Foods all of the time in order to bask all of the warm and fuzzy feelings that come with it...but when its three or four days until my next payday and I only have few bucks left my checking account, I (...and millions of others, for that matter) head over to The Big Evil for those cheap cookies.
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Walmart is not only bad on the front end, by under paying their employees, and putting other small business out of business. They try to buy stuff from the vendors at cost or sometimes even under cost. They take advantage of people and don't really help the economy.
Increasing their profits is all they care about.
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When a new HUGE Wal-Mart was put in our small town, it caused my mom & a good amount of other people to lose their job in grocery store. Wal-Mart is fuggin lame.
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Cuddlebones:
so did they go work at walmart after it opened?
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donkeyfly69:
Corporate greed and Marxist ideals are EXACT opposites.
Whoever made this picture doesn't know shit. Do your research.
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donkeyfly69:
yea. that doesn't make any sense
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FreedomMan86
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seems like they have more haters but they keep kicking ass in biz
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FreedomMan86:
Ever wonder WHY they kick ass even in bad times like now? Because it's ALL AMERICANS CAN AFFORD due to crappy wages paid by companies like Wal-Mart and layoffs. Their profits are another way of saying that we're broke. I see nothing to be happy about here.
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Mark701
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FreedomMan86:
very good point!
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gooma2
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jackblack9
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yup they've brought down some major towns in their move forward.
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jackblack9
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jackblack9:
and what major towns have they brought down?
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jackblack9:
its just business but its so unethical and wrong. if you live in an area that walmart wants to build its complex in, they can force you sell your house.
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jackblack9:
I have seen that happen to whole neighborhoods. The people who were fighting the extra Wal Mart they are putting in my area on 5 miles from the other giant one are unable to sell their houses.
Its used to be a really nice area, but not anymore. - 3 years ago
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carmalite
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jackblack9:
yup, they've destroyed many main streets in many towns across america.
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jackblack9:
and St Paul, MN has been hurt tremendously by them.
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yea but now that wall mart is a huge corporation that sells just about ANYTHING it's harder for people to keep their own buisnesses and plus wall mart treats their employees like shit and plus walmart already has enough places that make plenty of money how bout just letting the small buisness people get their cut.
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SupeRblah90:
I live in a burb and its not that big. We have one gigantic Wal Mart and one 20 miles to the East and one about 28 miles to the West. ANd 2 Sams each way.
They are putting another one in my burb and they will be about 5 miles apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The citizens are paying to enlarge the road, and even though everyhone said no to the corrupt city council, they still accepted it. It is near a hospital and it will cause difficulty with ambulance traffic, We don't need it.
We have a Target, a K Mart, lots of Dollar stores, and I guess since they killed all the mom and pop stores now they want to murder Target and the other discounters. I don't shope at China mart, unless I can't find it elsewhere. - 3 years ago
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carmalite
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SupeRblah90:
it's amazing that towns have allowed them to get away with some of the crap they pull too. especially their give to the community bull.
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Chuck_st_chuck
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LMAO!! if only liberals know
You think inflation rates are high now wait till Walmart is taken away.small companies are good I recomend them BUT come on didn't Walmart start out as a small company and then they grew
JOY of capatilism!
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Chuck_st_chuck:
What does Wal-Mart have to do with inflation or lack thereof?
Wal Mart/China, Inc. suppresses wages, forces US companies to ship manufacturing jobs overseas and destroys the economies of small communities. It is a corporate monster that devours everything in it's path with no regard for ANYTHING other than it's own bottom line. This is not a liberal or conservative thing. Americans like you and I pay the price with lower wages and lost jobs.
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Mark701
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carmalite
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Consignment shops are just great. I bought some of the most beautiful things in consignment shops and i also sold some really nice things.
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carmalite
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Chuck_st_chuck:
capitalism in it's pure form is a great thing. it's when you bastardize it and go for short term results instead of long-term is how America got into all this mess we're in now.
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gooma2
