News and Politics | February 25, 2009 | 80 comments

New World Order

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOy7c7hhss

Mobius2012
1/3 of Americans know about the ''NEW WORLD ORDER'' 2/3 of Americans have no clue or they are in willful denial..... The Concept of a ''New World Order'' is neo-con, neo-liberalism at it's best, a one world government. A world in which the many are governed by the few.......An oligarchy of bastard Sophists and warmongers!!
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  • angeleslos
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      angeleslos  

    • i am not religious...spiritual yes...religious..no.

      because i read the end of the book idiot.

      this is like watching paint dry to me..

      no surprises...y don't u try listening to muse albums and start understanding the book of revelation.

      it is all a spiritual war...

      believe whatever u want to believe..

      like i said...

      no surprises.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  

    • Why dont you religious freaks get off these Stupid projections. It is the fact that humans are corrupt when they are given the power by the masses. And todays world has proven that wealth, ambition for power and the power that these elite few excercise over the world and its armies are proof of the continued war and bloodshed and the warning promise from our leaders of future genocide and war should be enough to send shivers up and down the spine. The only protection is for the united world to be dis uniuted to smaller groups that can be more easily managed by the populations. WHen Government becomes too big, the only solutiopn is to break it up again. Yes secession is the answer for Americans.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
  • angeleslos
  • angeleslos
  • Denica_Cassandra
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      Denica_Cassandra  

    • i love nin! ;) bush isn't going to be held accountable. also, it just wasn't/isn't statistically possible for the building to fall in that controlled manner from the open impact.

    • 3 years ago
  • Mobius2012
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  

    • The trouble with that is disinformation systems abound in these types of situations so truthinesss far outweighs the facts since different "secret societies" and government agencies deliberately spread falsehoods to cover their tracks and deflect blame onto others.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_societies

      The actual existence, motives, methods of such groups are obscured because of the SNAFU Principle where clear communication is distorted since there is plenty of incentive to only pass on what it approved whether is is true or not.

      http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/SNAFU-principle.html

      Since the support for the NWO seems to be on the decline with majority of the population going for a change in the policies of the last decade that had the best chances of bringing it about.

      It looks like the Illuminati battle for supremacy has lost momentum against the Discordians and brought about another change in the innings so that it is the Discordians turn at bat.

      Whether or not that can be considered a good thing for the coming tipping point at 2012 is very hard to determine since the ultimate motives of either Illuminati or the Discordians are diffult to predict from their actions since they have done both good and evil to hide themselves.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  

    • If one begins with the opinion that there is no Reality of God there can be no fruitful discussion about any subject predicated upon the personal belief that there is God.

      If one begins with the opinion that all religion is at it's core or origin corrupt, false, contrived by man, or any other number of much stronger and more colorful terms used by many, there can be no fruitful discussion about any subject predicated upon the opposite belief.

      "Leaders of religion, exponents of political theories, governors of human institutions, who at present are witnessing with perplexity and dismay the bankruptcy of their ideas, and the disintegration of their handiwork, would do well to turn their gaze to the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, and to meditate upon the World Order which, lying enshrined in His teachings, is slowly and imperceptibly rising amid the welter and chaos of present-day civilization. They need have no doubt or anxiety regarding the nature, the origin or validity of the institutions which the adherents of the Faith are building up throughout the world. For these lie embedded in the teachings themselves, unadulterated and unobscured by unwarrantable inferences, or unauthorized interpretations of His Word."

    • 3 years ago
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  
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    • Maybe the *fnord* MSM has been doing a lot better *fnord* job than you *fnord* think if 2/3 of the *fnord* people haven't heard of the *fnord* NWO

      I guess Robert Anton Wilson did die in vain since no one seems to remember that he covered all this already.

      When he wrote about the Illuminati and the NWO in 1975. it wasn't even new then since they have been trying for thousands of years all with the same goals.

      Admittedly they never have gotten closer than in the last decade but how about a little credit where credit is due?

      He showed then as has been shown since that there is no conspiracy theory so wild that you can't find people that believe in it or some evidence to support it.

    • 3 years ago
  • Alex_French
  • Mobius2012
  • Angry_Patriot89
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • Money is the way they control everyone and have everyone mesmerized. They broadcast a 24/7 Zeitgeist of propaganda that is designed to make you believe that what is inside of you is not real, that you are not good enough, that you need salvation, that you need their product, their idea, their solution so you can feel good about yourself, so you can become a real player in the world stage. You are offered enticements. You are bombarded daily with fear messages and frequencies to keep your adrenaline pumping and your hormones raging.

      They created a Devil to make you happy, and a God to punish you for being happy; in your so called sinful nature. They create a psychotic mind state for the masses to follow.

      Since there are small percentages of the population that are truly awake, those can be easily and swiftly dealt with by rounding them up and containing them or even destroying them.

      The infrastructure that has been talked about in this thread and others deals with the camps, the transportation systems, and the homeland security systems, the legislature "Patriot Act" "Homegrown Terrorism" etc. that gives them the legal justification to round up the so called trouble makers, people who speak up about what they are witnessing and seeing.

      Then there is the counter propaganda that was also mentioned in this thread. Movies, TV shows, and books all written with just a few threads of truth, but distorted to such an extent that it creates doubt, it creates plausible deniability.

      I liked what Mobius said about Love. Love is the source that remains forever. To live in Love is to live forever, regardless of what your cells, molecules, and atoms are doing. Your field of consciousness can survive, but you must nurture that field, strengthen it and project it. Its frequency must be elevated to such an extent that it no longer relies on the biomechanical suit that we are inhabiting.

      Ahhh but first you must believe that your consciousness is more than just your biology, than what you can see with your own eyes. You must believe in the Mystery of what is life and consciousness and spirit.

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • jubal:

      You know the original monotheistic concept of God encompassed both the Good and the Bad? There was no Satan. However, there became a resentment to worshipping a God that would potentially harm you... So they created Satan!

      If God is everything, that means Satan is a part of God. God's righteousness is a mystery because we deny the concept that God's righteousness may not be our own. We can blame the bad things on Satan and then still have a perfectly good God to worship. In reality, Satan is a worldly concept. Hence he rules the Earth and has no place in God's Kingdom. Of course, I'm framing this all in the Judeo-Christian concept. God supersedes the confines of our concepts.

      If God is infinite, then time-scales make no sense in discussing God. Who is to say the concept of creation should be a literal seven day creation? Perhaps the story of creation is a story of creation in perpetual continuance. Who is to say evolution is in contradiction with creation? Why could evolution not be the continual process of creation?

      Of course these are all just exercises of the mind. The truth of any of this is beyond us anyway.

    • 3 years ago
  • Angry_Patriot89
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      Angry_Patriot89  

    • The problem isn't a group of politicians who are 'evil'.

      We have all become addicted to having one thing in our lives at all time..MONEY.

      Commerce has surpassed human rights and liberties on the agenda for the world because this money addiction pervades every walk of life.

      If you ever one to see a human who is truly free you must stop depending on governments and institutions and begin to grow our own food and make our own clothing.

      THIS IS THE ONLY WAY.

    • 3 years ago
  • kcfoxie
  • librelover
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      librelover  

    • The problem for me is the cohesiveness of this group. The inherent power-hunger that would be prevalent throughout that group would seemingly consume them from within, would it not? The other problem I have is their ability to orchestrate such a massive scale implementation of oppressive reorganization of the entire human race without a violent reaction from the masses.

      For them to decimate the human population at a massive scale would be severely detrimental to the Earth as a whole, and that would not be in their best interest as a group. Decreasing our population over time is a much more sustainable practice, and that is what has been seen in some of the more mature societies. Look at Europe. Their population has actually begun to decrease, and there is a significant population that is older which means further decrease of population.

      For me, the idea of a world order of some kind can be a good idea, but it must facilitate diversity. Diversity is what makes for a stonger, more sustainable ecosystem, and the same can be applied to a social construct. If a world government facilitates diversity and innovation by providing communication, information, and organization in a tranparent way, it would produce an extremely optimal world-wide condition. The biggest problem is getting past our own fears of those around us.

      People all over the world share a commanlity of mistrust for those they do not know. That is because those who have trusted, have been exploited. We have fostered the development of a social order that resembles a food chain rather than a symbiotic ecosystem.

      The next time you're driving down the interstate, think about this. Notice how vehicles cluster together as they drive, and how the highway patrol vehicles sit on the side of the road waiting. It is strikingly similar to predators waiting for their prey and the vehicles on the road cluster together to avoid being that prey. We might as well be on the plains of Africa running as the gazelle from the cheetah, or lions. Which ever allegorical creature you wish to run from. Your choice.

      Edit: I should say though, I do not rule out the possibility of some party having the interest of such a new world order. I just find their ability to enact any large-scale implementation as of yet to be limited. I would say their opportunity would be far greater after World War III, if such a thing will come again. It would be very unfortunate if we as a species have to put this planet through another one of those.

    • 3 years ago
  • elementaljim
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      elementaljim  

    • I don't think that I "get it".
      The conspiracy around 9/11 and BushCo's involvement, yeah that I get. All the secrets hidden under the guise of "national security" is highly suspect.

      I don't subscribe to the prophecies that in my mind represent a fundamental problem of religion used to control the masses with fear and intimidation because of faith based on myth and superstition. IE..Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages") which infers a second coming of Christ and Armageddon ? No, that I don't get.

      On top of the 'cube' refers to the Illuminati which I understood were a group of scientists persecuted by the Catholic church for trying to dispel the myths and superstition behind religion as they were/are applied/enforced by the Vatican. IE.. a good thing..

      What I do fear or possibly embrace the paranoia that the fundamental behind a new world order is rule by corporations. Large entities that as they feed on the populace all rights and civil liberties disappear. All the diversity that makes each country unique is lost.

      But then again, along time ago I had a 'One Planet, One People' bumper sticker..:)

      imo
      http://opinionsandreasons.blogspot.com/

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  

    • I think there is ample evidence to warrant a new investigation by an independent commission not under the influence of a conservative government that is itself a prime suspect.

      That is like making the suspect in a murder trial the judge.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
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    • The point I keep aiming people toward is that the entire New World Order that Bush the elder spoke of and is being set up and will be forced upon the entire planet's population is an attempt to hijack the plan revealed by Baha'u'llah for what the various religious texts call in one way or another, the Kingdom of God on earth.

      The problem is that people are so bent on denial of God and the rejection of all things "religious" that they won't even consider taking a look at the documentation of historical events which illustrate the Baha'i Faith's influence upon our history of the last 165 years, much less the actual plan revealed by the founder of the Baha'i Faith. Because the people reject peace through justice of the World Order of Baha'u'llah, they have chosen by default the exact opposite of it which is the one described elsewhere on this thread. We're not quite at the point of no return yet. A significant amount of the population can still take the path of peace through justice.

    • 3 years ago
  • SDLN
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      SDLN  

    • lol. This is some crazy stuff. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the end of the Cold War, there was a call for a New World Order in which the rule of law governs nations. EEEK! I guess tinfoil hats are a prerequisite.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • SDLN:

      You actually think the cold war ended? Oh but wait that's right...they knocked down the wall! And right after that Russia dismantled all their nukes too right?

      That would be delusional thinking.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  

    • "1/3 of Americans know about the New World Order"

      1/3 of dumb cunts are bored out of their fucking minds and curl up every night watching Zeitgeist.

      There's so much fail in this thread that it's impossible to address.

      There is no illuminati, there is NWO, there is no 2012 apocalypse/transcendence or anything like that.

      Just like the planet X bullshit, like the Area 51 morons, like scientologists or anyone else, you're just a bunch of stupid, gullible fucks.

      You haven't "woken up" to anything, your existence is a fucking dreamworld. That's what happens when you abandon critical thinking for paranoia.

      But don't bother listening to me, I'm one of their Reptilian agents. O_O

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Saladin:

      No you're just a cynic. Probably consumed with fear at your core. Your comments always make me pitty you. You're always lashing out with vulgar statements and that shows your deep fear.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Saladin:

      Psychological projection much?

      The entire basis of a conspiracy theory is paranoia and helplessness and an utterly juvenile way of looking at the world.

      If you weren't afraid then you would go public with your convictions. If you really believed the bullshit you spin you'd be out with guns in the streets. But you aren't are you? Cuz they might be out to GET you >.>

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Saladin:

      Nothing I'm saying has anything to do with a conspiracy theory so you're off the mark on that.

      I and those who believe as I do are completely public with our convictions so you missfire again making the assumption that it isn't all out in the open. Which also shows that you've never taken the time to peruse the links or watch the videos I've been putting up. We have a long history of press releases and videos which feature various people who are a part of this. Can't get much more public than that

      Guns in the streets? That's a ridiculous suggestion as it has nothing whatsoever to do with what I've posted about and would be a really stupid way to try changing the direction things are moving so you're way off base there too.

      Do yourself a favor and go read the websites I've given the links to and clear up some of your confusion. And try to use more intelligent language than just degenerating immediately into street talk if you want to be taken seriously. Even if you disagree with someone you can do it in a more polite way and it makes you look better. Why choose a name like Saladin if you're not going to emulate his character?

    • 3 years ago
  • Mobius2012
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Saladin:

      Sorry Saladin, this is the wrong thread to try and voice any reason or be logically skeptical of what others have to say. Meanwhile Bah, you're the last one who should be telling anyone else to be more polite after you were so rude to me on your own comment above.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Saladin:

      Actually, what I said was "You were such a dick about it", which is true, and also different from calling YOU anything. Your manner was very dickish indeed, whether or not you are a dick yourself is yet to be seen!

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Saladin:

      You're not very good at English language usage kiddo. Did you graduate from high school yet?

      This demonstrates the level you're coming from better than anything you've said so far. Keep going cutie pie, the more you yap about it the lower you go.

      I'll grant you the last word princess.

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Saladin:

      What are you talking about?

      Speaking of being able to tell "where someone is coming from" with the words they use, your overuse of condescending pet language is REALLY annoying, a bit sexist, offensive to me as well as completely unnecessary. It once again reveals your lack of respect for the people you are talking to.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Saladin:

      Hey Precious (Delia),
      I know I promised you the last word, I just wanted to assure you Cupcake, that my use of what you call "pet names" are simply terms of endearment to express to you that I'm not angry at or offended by you at all. I would never use any vulgar terms to describe you Muffin. I enjoy the banter we've been having Sugar, and I'd love to continue to chat with you by email or even IM if you're up for it Pookie. Email me privately here and let's get some real communication going, yes? I love art too.

    • 3 years ago
  • lucidstone
  • ramsfan
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      ramsfan  

    • People keep asking me in reply emails... what's wrong with World Govt, it could be a good thing, why be afraid? The problem is you will have a World court who decides guilt or innocence where you are guilty until proven innocent. Even so, the biggest fear of a World Order is that they are a bunch of Elitist Eugenicists. They are not satisfied with just ruling over all of us, they want to micromanage every aspect of our lives, control our emotionaly states, and the ability to buy and sell using the chip, and eventually KILL at least 80% of the World population. (for a good example of this see the movie "Endgame" an Alex Jones documentary. Therei is a lot more to the story than just having a World Govt. They can sugar coat it all they want but many of us now know what their true agenda is. It's pure evil.

    • 3 years ago
  • lucidstone
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      lucidstone  
    • ramsfan:

      Well if we removed 80% percent of the population just IMAGINE what that would do to our carbon footprint! Not to mention no more LA traffic, uncrowded national parks, shorter lines at IN-N-OUT . . . I'm starting to really like this idea! =D

    • 3 years ago
  • ilikeike
  • XaviPhoto
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  

    • "a one world government. A world in which the many are governed by the few"

      Hrm, aren't we ALREADY living in a world in which the many are governed by the few?

      "An oligarchy of bastard Sophists and warmongers!! " Again, isn't this already the case?

      I don't understand why united governments is a bad thing. The way I see it, we can preserve government preferences and cultural diversity while still uniting under a world authority. Look at how America functions; some laws and responsibilities are left to the states while some are left to the federal gov. We do, of course, see problems with this system, but the United States is a great example of how people from multiple different cultures, religions, laws, etc can live together under a united government.

      I don't understand why a "new world order" has to come with so much fear mongering, conspiracy theory and bullshit around it!

    • 3 years ago
  • Mobius2012
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • DeliaTheArtist:

      Well GO to the prison planet link "davzap" put in his comment and get a hit of whats being prepped for the masses of asses right now since you don't want anything I'm pointing to. The folks putting these programs and infrastructures together refer to folks like most everyone on this neat little website as "useless eaters" and "cattle". There's a bunch of nasty shit about to go down but people would rather not know whats heading their way if its not entertaining and fun so its going to smack the bulk of the population like a 2x6 upside the head and they'll insist they were never warned about it or given a chance to prevent it which is not true at all. There are people on this and other forums who really have good true things to share and they don't all agree with me OR you but one has to open their mind for at least a moment each day if any truth is going to sink in.

    • 3 years ago
  • Mobius2012
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      Mobius2012  
    • DeliaTheArtist:

      ''Like what? What's going on outside my "virtual bubble" that I am so unaware of? What ARE the implications?''

      Exactly......Oh...I thought you had all the answers...I thought you knew....

      Check out names like Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell, William Cooper...They'll broaden your perspective....Also you might want to check out these videos too-------

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTgNyOcGm14

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y&feature=related

      :) have a wonderful life.....Love is the key to transcendence, Love will open activate your true authentic self....Dispite whatever differences of opinion we may have, and I don't know you, but Love knows all, so i can say from the perspective of all inclusive consciousness that I Love you, and I hope that you begin to see the truth beyond the virtual model.....

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • cheller1820
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      cheller1820  
    • DeliaTheArtist:

      Another good areas to start are "The New World Order" by H.G. Wells, the book "Philip Dru: Administrator" (written by Woodrow Wilsons top advisors). "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, "1984" by George Orwell, "Brave New WOrld" and "Brave New World Revisited" by Aldous Huxley. These books are presented as 'fiction' but why are they coming true? Look at the affiliations these authors had to certain groups when they wrote these books.

      Are our lives (collectively) governed by fear? Are we constantly being bombarded with entertainment that serves as a distraction? Have we as a society come to depend on the "intellectuals" (scientists, politicians, etc.) for our own survival? How prevalent has propaganda become in our society? (the Pentagon spending $4.7 Billion to sell us their views is a good example.) Do we suddenly have a "heroic" leader to admire? Has a "United States of Europe" been formed?

      All those questions pertain to each book that I've listed - how would you answer them?

    • 3 years ago
  • Argon18
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    • DeliaTheArtist:

      As a counter-point to those questions how would you answer those that are related to the '"23 Phenomenon?"

      Adolf Hitler was initiated into the Vril Society (which many consider a front for the Illuminati) in 1923. The Morgan Bank (which is regarded as the financial backer of the Illuminati by the John Birch Society) is at 23 Wall Street in Manhattan. When Illuminatus! was turned into a play, it premiered in Liverpool on 23 November (which is also Harpo Marx’s birthday). Ken Campbell, producer of Illuminatus!, later found, on page 223 of Jung’s Memories, Dreams, Reflections, a weird dream about Liverpool, which Campbell says describes the street intersection of the theatre where Illuminatus! opened (Jung, of course, was the first psychologist to study weird coincidences of this sort and to name them synchronicities). Campbell also claims that Hitler lived briefly in Liverpool when he was 23 years old, but I haven’t found the reference for that.

    • 3 years ago
  • cheller1820
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      cheller1820  
    • DeliaTheArtist:

      So you are comparing detailed plans from different sources on how to establish a one world government to a number coincedence. Long before the European Union was in existance, books like "Pan Europa" and "The New World Order" claimed that the only way for a NWO to be established Europe would have to operate like a nation-state. 1984 was composed of three nation-states, Brave New World just the World State. Edward Mandell House hated the Constitution, he was Woodrow Wilsons top advisors and wrote a horribly written book outlining how to successfully over throw it.

      Read it here for free: http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/8phlp10.txt
      or pay $50 and buy it yourself.

    • 3 years ago
  • Mobius2012
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • Mobius2012
  • davzap
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
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    • This is another step in the path of human destiny. Global Unity is an evolutionary necessity for humanity and is in fact written into our genetic coding as well as our various religious texts.

      There will be the establishment of a World Superstate which will not be the final evolution of the unifying of human affairs but only the next step toward the climax stage of Global Unification. The coming World Superstate will be violently oppressive as the people of the world have proven unfit for the attainment of the Most Great Peace at this time. For this reason a period of purging is needed to purify humankind for the Advent of Divine Justice.

      As for resistance, it will only be met with absolute crushing oppression and will prove to be a foolish path to a swift end for those who choose to take it. As it is written: "none can stand against the Beast"

      For an explanation of the New World Order of the Beast refer to the heading "The Beast" at this link:
      http://uhj.net/armageddon.html

      For the True World Order which is rising in the world today and is virtually unnoticed by the masses, refer to the link at the top of this post. There is really nothing to fear.

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Bahai144:

      "Global Unity is an evolutionary necessity for humanity and is in fact written into our genetic coding as well as our various religious texts." Can you give me some references proving that global unity is "in our genetic coding"?

      "As it is written: "none can stand against the Beast" Give me a break already. If anything, this nonsense would be SELF FULFILLING prophecy is the major religions ended the world in a bloodbath.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Bahai144:

      Explaining the genetic correlatives for a higher Human evolutionary drive toward collective civil advancement to an individual who wouldn't open their mind to the science necessary to understand it would be like attempting to explain astrophysics to a person who wasn't willing to open their mind to higher mathematics. Your statements above reveal that you wouldn't be able to take the first step toward understanding the basic language needed to grasp the explanation.

      In your case as you've obviously confused the words of the second part of your reply and thus missed making an intelligible statement out of what wasn't even a reasonably intelligent comment at it's core, I wouldn't even know where to begin to suggest a short reading list to help you along toward the goal of comprehending the answer to your question.

      Your best bet would be to follow the links like the yellow brick road and with an open mind you may glean something of value. Otherwise remain in your presently shuttered state and don't investigate.

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Bahai144:

      Riiiight. Cop out. Saying "I'm just right and I can't explain it to you because you are stupid" is a very weak argument and certainly no way to get people to understand what you are talking about. People aren't dumb just because they don't buy into your explanation of things, but thanks for demeaning and insulting me instead of trying to present evidence, conversation or any type of intellectual progress whatsoever.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Bahai144:

      Why should I bother trying to explain something to you when your mind is already closed from the outset? Your original comments betrayed your position before any intelligent dialog could even begin.

      The point about your second comment was...well just read it for yourself and see if you can rewrite it so it at least reads like a coherent statement. You really didn't give me anything to work with on that one you know.

      Even though that comment made no real sense it was obvious that to discuss something as abstruse as the Persian Abjad system or the Greek Qabala and their relationship to the amino acid spectrum and its structure in relation to specific Ancient Scriptural Passages wouldn't be a topic you'd even begin to be interested in chatting about so don't feign such righteous indignation when you and I both know damn well you aren't really interested in anything of that nature. Give me a fucking break.

      On the other hand, if I've misinterpreted your original reply you have my sincerest apologies and I'd love to talk all about such things with you. Could we meet for coffee?

    • 3 years ago
  • librelover
  • jubal
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      jubal  
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    • Bahai144:

      Here we go, where are the semanticians when you need them.

      Delia, what I think Bahai144 is trying to say is that some people believe that many ancient texts had encoded in them, genetic knowledge. There are many symbols that were in use in those periods of history that resemble symbols used today to represent the double helix of DNA. A good example is the two snakes wrapped around a staff, similar to the picture I have linked to here. This isn't the oldest one, but it is representative of other images I have seen in books.

      The whole idea that the sum of human knowledge has been amassed in merely 10K years is folly. Humans have been proven scientifically to have been inhabiting the earth for millions of years and there were civilizations with advanced understanding of astrophysics and knowledge of cellular biology and even DNA that predated the Babylonians and the Sumerians. Myth calls them Atlantis, but that is the part that is like a story, there is an underlying truth that has been lost in the mystification.

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Bahai144:

      Hey jubal, thanks for the RESOURCES and conversation! See how easy that was, Bahai144?

      "Why should I bother trying to explain something to you when your mind is already closed from the outset? Your original comments betrayed your position before any intelligent dialog could even begin."
      Just because I'm skeptical that means I'm "closed minded?" Just because my position is in disagreement with yours, we can't have "intelligent dialog?" BS.

      "wouldn't be a topic you'd even begin to be interested in chatting about so don't feign such righteous indignation when you and I both know damn well you aren't really interested in anything of that nature. Give me a fucking break."

      Why would I bother asking you for references or conversation if I wasn't interested? What do I have to gain by "feigning righteous indignation"?

      I see this happen all over current; someone asks another for some explanation, references or evidence and it is met with rudeness and a dismissive attitude. There is really no reason for it. In all the time it took you to rant on and on about how I wouldn't understand, you could have explained your position and showed me a few links. You were such a dick about it that honestly I could care less now what you have to say; you dashed your credibility by treating someone who showed interest in your comment with such poor response.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Bahai144:

      If you think that answer from "jubal" is what you wanted then great. Go with that. It has little to do with what I was referring to but it's not wholly unrelated.

      As I noted, your initial "interest" was couched in the form of a query followed immediately by a mocking dismissal of the foundation (religious) of my statement.

      Your purpose was from the beginning to make this about the person and not the subject, which you had long since had your mind made up about.

      Along the way you made absolutely personal remarks toward me and then attempted to reverse it and cry foul against me for allegedly doing that to you. You wanted to make this personal with your first post and I refused to do your little dance with you. I'm not the least bit interested in convincing you or anyone of anything. You don't get it. It's not about me or my credibility and your statement to that effect clearly illustrates how far off the mark you are and starkly reveals your true intentions . You're simply not accomplishing what you hoped to. I've looked at your profile, and followed several of your threads and you have a clear agenda and you should go pedal your confrontational garbage to anyone who likes to waste time with your ilk. I've provided you with a few links. Knock yourself out sweetie.

    • 3 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Bahai144:

      I was referring to jubal's ability to be civil, not his content.

      "Your purpose was from the beginning to make this about the person and not the subject, which you had long since had your mind made up about." No it wasn't. How could I have my mind made up about something like the "new world order"? You don't know what my purpose was or is, so I don't see how you could assert such a thing.

      "As I noted, your initial "interest" was couched in the form of a query followed immediately by a mocking dismissal of the foundation (religious) of my statement." Who cares? It doesn't make me less interested just because I'm not a fan of religion. As I said, it was YOU who made me uninterested with your crappy attitude.

      "Along the way you made absolutely personal remarks toward me and then attempted to reverse it and cry foul against me for allegedly doing that to you." When did I make personal remarks about you? The only thing I said was "you were a dick about it" and that was in the LAST response-before that I make no personal statements about you whatsoever, and even that one is not a personal attack at all. My first comment was not intended to offend you and I'm not sure how you got there from what I said.

      I have no agenda other than to get into conversations with people about interesting subjects. The only people who accuse me of having one outside of that are people who can not explain themselves with civility, accuracy or productivity.

      You have to realize that you are an a website where the PURPOSE of the community is to share stories, discuss and debate them. If you consider that "confrontational garbage" then I don't know why you'd want to be on Current. We try to foster a community where people can talk to each other, even disagree about sensitive subjects, without resorting to rudeness.

      Look at how much time was wasted bullshitting back and forth that could have been spent fostering some kind of understanding. If you have no interest in explaining your point to people, then continue to be rude and dismissive. If you do, maybe you could go about conversation in a way that promotes your POV and not an stupid argument about who's more of a jerk.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • Bahai144:

      I gave you links to explore to your hearts content but you only want to attack. If you don't believe in God who am I to try to convince you that there is one?

      If you don't believe there's any value in religion then why would I want to convince you otherwise?

      As you've made your point of view on these and other matters clear in other threads on other discussions here on Current what could possibly be the benefit of engaging in an absolutely futile discussion of topics related to these things?

      Contrary to what you assert, the comments I made in regard to the NWO are quite germane but as you have only disdain for the things my comments are predicated upon and I have no interest whatsoever in swaying you from your position what could there possibly be to talk about?

      I posted my comment, you replied with a challenge couched in a presupposed dismissal of anything else I might say in response as it was in relation to a religious text and seeing your complete lack of sincerity I called you on it and you got offended and persisted in your attack.

      For you I have absolutely nothing. Follow and read the links is all I can suggest.

      Delia, cookie, you may have the last word.

    • 3 years ago
  • macrodot
  • Mobius2012
  • jubal
  • macrodot
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      macrodot  
    • macrodot:

      Fellas, the reason i wrote such an asinine statement was b/c i see the paragraphs people are writing about how to change (in this case) the "New World Order". Talking about growing your food & making your clothes is not a bad idea, but SERIOUSLY who the fuck is going to do it? Joining some smelly hippie community isn't going to change the world. It would just change "your" world.

      I mean it would be fun being self sufficient & smoking herb & playing congas, but are these people curing diseases or making historical leaps in any type of scientific areas? besides hydroponics..

      Speaking of south park, did you see the one were the hippies take over & want to change the world.. by having a music festival. That's what i see when i see these long drawn out posts. blah blah blah.

      OH & Mobius 'LOL' seriously? are you really laughing out loud? do you really find yourself that funny were as to laugh out loud? Look, i typed "laugh out loud" three times already.

    • 3 years ago
  • Sexirobot
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      Sexirobot  

    • Mobius2012, how can an ideology be both neo-con and neo-libral, you are talking out of your dick.

      name a period in recorded history where people where not governed by "the few.......An oligarchy of bastard Sophists and warmongers!!"

      and by your name i assume you are either a 2012 doomsday nut-jizz or you are a big fan of 2012 the movie.

    • 3 years ago
  • CreditFigaro
  • Mobius2012
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      Mobius2012  
    • Sexirobot:

      Oh man.....Sigh... here we go with the severe ignorance......I'm not going to go into 2012 because given your level of maturity you probably couldn't even comprehend the event, let alone understand it....

      .......I'll just leave you with this, It's not an apocalyptic event...Think ascension, transcendence, do you understand those words? lol......As for the movie, it's a NEO_CON plot to fool neophytes like you into believing its going to be a dooms day event, you'll probably pay to go see it and enjoy it too...LOL Anyhow, if you understood anything about Neo-liberalism.... you would know, that it's just another term for arbitrary entrepreneurialism...you can take your time pronouncing the word..Ever here about the ''Miracle of Chile''? No? well let me educate you a little bit

      The Miracle of Chile is a term coined by Milton Friedman to describe dictator Augusto Pinochet's support for liberal economic reforms in Chile carried out by the "Chicago Boys." Implemented economic model had three main objectives: economic liberalization, privatization of state owned companies, and stabilization of inflation. These market-oriented economic policies were continued and strengthened after Pinochet stepped down.[38] At the time, Milton Friedman stated that the Chilean experiment was "comparable to the economic miracle of post-war Germany."[39]

      Successive governments have continued and expanded neoliberal policies in Chile.

      The Neo-Liberals tried to Privatize Water in Chile.......Uh, whats wrong with that equation einstein?
      It was practice model for THE NEW WORLD ORDER THAT FAILED......Sooo,sigh,,,if you knew anything about that history, you would'nt have made that inept comment....have a good day..move along now, move along.....

    • 3 years ago
  • ramsfan
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      ramsfan  
    • Sexirobot:

      That's how they work. Time to shatter the "left-right" paradigm. It only exists to make us stupid sheeple think we are making a a choice when in fact they all serve the same elites. Their is very little difference between L and R.

    • 3 years ago
  • ramsfan
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      ramsfan  
    • Sexirobot:

      That's how they work. Time to shatter the "left-right" paradigm. It only exists to make us stupid sheeple think we are making a a choice when in fact they all serve the same elites. Their is very little difference between L and R.

      Make sure you buy or watch the new Alex Jones documentary coming out March 15th which exposes Barack as being nothing more than Bush with Barack's face. More of the same but much worse. No change here folks. Much more of the same!!

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • cheller1820
  • ramsfan
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      ramsfan  

    • Our corrupt Federal Govt is going to find out that they are going to push the American people to the brink that the States will secede from the Union and take away their power altogether. It was the States that created the Feds, it's the States that will end them. Now more than 30 States are drafting bills to show their sovereignty. No carbon taxes, no martial law, no Real ID, no chipping, no Socialism no inside job false flag terror events like 9/11, Oklahoma City, 7/7, no World Central Bank running our govt., no more illegal/unconstitutional Federal Reserve printing worthless fiat money etc. NO MORE!!! The American people and the States will defeat the New World Order!! People are waking up that our Govt is not longer ours.

    • 3 years ago
  • trevorw
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      trevorw  

    • There is a documentary on this that explains this in greater detail. Not a bad pod, but poorly constructed. Also, it's considered preferable to use sans serif fonts for video for better readability.

    • 3 years ago
  • klaycav
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  

    • "Americans are exposed to great dangers. Today the power of America is in the hands of the masses. There is a terrific power in the press, and the people are swayed by it. The United States, on a national scale, sets the pattern for an international pattern. There will be a World Civil War, followed by the establishment of a world state; all the nations will be a part of it and will have to conform to it. This war has already started..." Shoghi Effendi circa 1950

    • 3 years ago
  • PrimeTime
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      PrimeTime  

    • Sometimes I wish I could pinch myself and wake up..... but I know it won't happen because 2/3 of the people are SO blind it will never be recognized that this is wrong until it actually happens.

    • 3 years ago
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