International Writers Group Visits Occupied Hebron

despite using a list of unsourced supposed facts about settler aggression, notice as bad as it all is israelis despite 60 yrs of constantly being attacked have yet to feel the need to launch rockets at palastinian civilians as palastinians do to them. is throwing garbage in the street offensive sure but far more civil than suicide bombings and mortar attacks. the blame game can go back 6 thousand years if you want to play it with no resolution ever being reached. the reality before us is that israel has an entire govt ready and waiting to talk peace and hamas and fatahs foundation of belief is the destruction of israel. no matter what any settlers do or dont do is inconsiquential in terms of peace when thier leadership insists on a state of war as policy.the palastinian leadership is using thier people as martyrs and israels people as fodder, until this stops how can even the discussion of peace take place?

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/624279/jewish/A-Visit-to-Hebron.ht...
This website gives a little bit of the history of Hebron and why it is historically significant as early as 3700+ years ago to about the 1700's when Jews began to purchase more land there. I'm sure these people can provide all sorts of documentation but if you look it up all over the internet, there is little dispute of the heritage of this city as Abraham's city- father of two faiths not one huh? However, as the article points out, the many holy sites that have been given to the Arab section are virtually inaccessable to Jews, religious freedom? Not under Arab rule. I'm not saying I support bad actions by settlers, in fact I support their arrest, but I don't support the whole situation, there should be peace and equality for everyone, not just Palestinians. The jews certainly don't have it yet either if they can't visit their matriarchs and patriarchs graves. If you're looking for a sollution, the blame game is not it. I actually support Barak Obama's idea that dialogue is the only way. The settlers and the Arabs have to start meeting and hashing out the complaints once and for all. When the trash is picked up and the sewer works, everyone will be happy.

I said a shooting at a gay bar and I didn't say where so what are you talking about??? And honestly, a shooting at a gay bar not politically motivated? Are you serious, and seriously using the BBC which has been known to be biased? Just go to Reuters or AP man. It's the original source and it doen't have a British liberal spin. On top of that, you still can't even try to refute the Gaza girl or the Hamas sick people or the fact that the mean old Israeli government is actually pulling settlers out for absolutely nothing in return again. Sounds like yo people be as crazy if not crazier than the settlers.

Sort your facts out - the shooting was in Tel Aviv and there's no indication that it was politically motivated:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8180069.stm

By the way the Gaza girl is all over the internet so don't try to deny it.

Of course you cannot deconstruct the truth. Hebron WAS a shared city for the last two centuries and before until Palestinians began attacking Jews. It is a fact. After that, the Israelis gave most of the city back, leaving security for the religious fanatics at their holy sites and their little ghetto and that's about all. It is vritually impossible for a regular person to go there safely without being shot at, therefore, bullet proof busses. I know, I tried, but my timing was off. First of all your little list is also unsourced. Second of all there were over 90 attempted suicide and terror attacks a day during the second intifada including shooting at busses, blowing up busses, and kidnapping children. To date this continues and this is why settlers requested their own roads so as not to be shot at from the Palestinian one's. And lastly, the settler issue is very serious for Palestinians and Israelis as well. IN the last week, (every paper in Israel had the story) over 20 illegal outposts were removed. But on the Palestinian side, there was also a terror attack in Jerusalem. And a shooting at a Gay bar that killed two. On top of that, Jerusalem Post today has an article on 50 sick people Hamas won't let go to Israel for treatment. Nice govt.:) This is not about blaming Israelis if you want a sollution. Palestinian hands are just as dirty as your little laundry list. There is no human rights record for Palestine, no court or constitution which guarantees even that people who make peace won't be murdered as collaborators. Palestinians who murder homosexuals and daughters, like the one in Gaza this week who used her cell phone at 24 yrs old, are just as bad as any settler.

I'm not going to bother getting into deconstructing your historical inaccuracies - those facts are all out there for people to look up.

Instead, here is a list of the recorded human rights abuses committed by settlers in the last three weeks.

Now tell me its the settlers that are living in "extreme fear" because of the "Palestinian's culture of hatred"

Period: From Sunday 12 July 2009 to Saturday 02 August 2009

12.07.09 Sunday

* 50 Settlers attacked Baqaa Neighborhood West to Kiryat Araba Settlement ,they Threw stones toward the Palestinians houses.

* The Israeli soldiers Detained Jamil Abu Haikal 16 years Old. they beat him , Blind full and handcuffed him ,settlers were in the area they said bad wards to his mother ,the settlers threw stones toward his House, some stones came from the military Base.One of the settlers (Baroukh Marzel boy 15 years old ) kicked a Human Rights Defender in front of the soldiers who did nothing to stop it, or to arrest the settler.

14.07.09 Tuesday:

* Settlers from Tell-Rumeida Settlements threw Garbage toward Abu Aisha House

15.07.09 Wednesday:

* Settler Attacked Al-Hadad Family near Kharsena Settlements with stones.

* The settlers set up a new wooden tent in Al-Buwereh .

* A Human Rights Defender waited 2H outside Givaat Haavot Police Station ,He went to give his Testimony About Abu Haikal Case.

19.07.09 Sunday

* Settlers Threw Stones toward Issa Amro’s House, Soldiers were in the area but they did nothing to stop them, Issa called the Police But the police didn’t answer, and he called DCO their Answer was we can do nothing to stop them.

20.07.09 Monday

Settlers attacked the Customers in Shallaleh Street

21.07.09 Tuesday

* Settlers threw stones at Abu Arab and AL-Azzieh Houses.

23.07.09 Thursday :

* Settlers Burnt and cut trees in AL-Buwereh belong to Abdeen Family.

26.07.09 Sunday

* The Army Detained a Palestinian man at 56 Checkpoint ,Handcuffed him ,and they Forced him to set on one leg.The Police arrested a Human Rights Defender when he tried to film the Violation .

27.07.09 Monday

The Settlers cut a land fence and trees which Belong to Abdeen Family

28.07.09 Tuesday:

* Settlers built a wall in Herbawi land near Beit Hadasa Settlement in Shuhada street, The Police refused to let the owner make complaint about that, and they told him that he has to go to DCO to ask them about the land ownership.

29.07.09 Wednesday

* Settlers broke in many shops in the closed area of H2 , Two of them near the Kitchen market and some in the old gold market.

* Settlers threw Garbage and feces on Abu Aisha's House.

30.07.09 Thursday

* Soldiers closed shuhada street checkpoint(56) ,and closed many shops in Bab AL-Zawieh to let the settlers visit a Knaz Tomp in H1.

31.07.09 Friday

* 100 settlers occupied a Palestinian land in Baqaa belongs to Jaber Family

01.08.09 Saturday:

* 10 Settlers attacked Nizam Azzazmeh near Beit Hadasa in shuhada Street with a blade ,he was injured in his Arm, chest , a soldier was in the area did nothing to stop them.

* Settler attacked a Palestinian Car in the old city of Hebron during the Weekly Settlers Tour ,the settler broke a car mirror, and kicked the car many times, 6 soldiers were escorting the Settlers, one of the soldiers stopped him and take him a way .

* Settlers From Abraham Avino Settlements attacked Nidal Owewi House , They pushed a large metal water-tanker to the ground several floors below, soldier saw them doing that but he did nothing to stop them.

This is an extremely one sided piece. What it doesn't show is that historically Hebron WAS as shared city. Repeated attacks by Palestinians on Jewish people coming to the graves of two key biblical figures caused the Jews to hide behind walls. How unfair to use that as if to say it is a system of opression to hide from people who desecrate graves of your ancestors. Look it up, any google will show the defiliement of Jewish holy sites in Hebron and the attacks on Jews that precluded guards and gates. I absolutely think it is not fair to place the blame on one culture especially in the very hot issue of Hebron and especially since Hebron was under total Jewish controll at one point and Israel has pulled back only to have more people attacked. No, it is not fair, not to either people, for the Palestinian culture of hatred to spawn such extreme fear. Has it gone too far? What they didn't show you is that to get to Hebron from Israel proper you have to ride in a bullet/bomb proof bus and only at certain hours. That is how often tourists are attacked there.