Granny, 72 having baby with grandson

Ye that's what all those " cults " used to justify there actions and I doubt that it covers many of us

Although I agree with you, it is actually kind of unfair because many men father children until they die (sometimes having sex) and hardly anyone raises the issue about their age when they do it. Viagra has made this an even more prevalent situation.

So ur against single parents

Ye sexism sucks but she is a cougar

Which royal families exactly - cite names and relationships - and which Darwin family, cite relationship, and provide credible links to back your (ludicrous) affirmation.

a "cougar"?

I come from a single parent family, so dont judge and show your stupidity before you know about things.
I just think it's sad that this child wont have as much time with their parent because of their age-regardless of gender.

I disagree with men having children old too! Each life is different, and I dont believe a child needs the normal family unit to grow into a healthy sane person, they just need stability and love, but my personal view is that people shouldnt have children that age, man or woman. And yes, viagra has elevated this, thanks to our massive over sexualised culture.

It's not the same scenario u can't understand his he never had that relationship with her he did with two other woman he called grandma or whatever until he met her she was a complete stranger to him

Thanks jubal... I'm so glad you know mw better than I know myself!!! (that was sarcasm, in case it wasn't clear) Lol

Jubal, you're just mad because I proved you were a hypocrite talking out of both sides of your mouth... I see you can comment on me here, but where is your response to my posts... oh, that's right, you would rather not look any more foolish than you already do.

How funny, to try to prove something, all of you are marking pluses for each other and marking minuses for me... if you count the pluses and minuses it makes sense with how many people have been debating against me... do you understand that this means the plus/minus system is a joke and it doesn't really work!!! LMAO!!!

U can't dish out the hipocritical comments when my acusations have gone unanswered

Ye the system works I proved it below jst thought I'd repeat it

How funny, to try to prove something, all of you are marking pluses for each other and marking minuses for me... if you count the pluses and minuses it makes sense with how many people have been debating against me... do you understand that this means the plus/minus system is a joke and it doesn't really work!!! LMAO!!!

Not true

If it were every comment against ur's then they wud all have the same I hate to admit but most of mine only have +1 and I can only speak for myself but I haven't rated alll of ur comments only the ones that I have an opinion on

So wats ur worse case scenario a single father

@inyourstory, would that messed up life be from the knowledge itself, or the stigma that will be inflicted by social taboos?

not a single father - likely a man with psychological problems, inept at raising a child....who in turn would have to deal with not having a mother, and the incestuous issues surrounding his birth.

absolutely both...

No.

TY LOL!

Eden, there is a huge difference between the incest that happens between two consenting adults and the incest imposed on a child by an adult. They are not to be confused.

I'm right here with you, honey

...I know, I internalised...it's just that that word raises a red flag...

Of course it raised a red flag, Eden. You need to develop a shield, kind of like the saying "turn your tongue ten times in your mouth before responding". :)

So, what your saying is if a father sleeps with his daughter who is under 18 it is incestuous molestation and is wrong, but if he sleeps with his child that is 18 or older it is incest and is therefore appropriate behavior?!?!? That is the most disturbing, ignorant comment I have ever heard! Incest in wrong no mater what!!!!!

Please Eden do not let Vierotchka play psychologist with you! You are 100% correct in your statement regardless on if you were a victim of molestation or not. It is wrong, no matter what!!

Ah, another huge straw-man fallacy from you. I notice that you are very prone to committing logical fallacies.

It is not against nature - it happens all the time in nature. I am not saying that it is right, either.

I am not playing psychologist with Eden, but you obviously are trying to play psychologist with everyone here.

Were u adopted and tracked down ur biological family when u were older and fell in love with a member of that family 2

U see ones rape the other is sex

If the chld is under the age of concent it's rape if the child is a concenting adult no problem seriously Amy watch the video

Amy slightly hipocritical Edan don't let anybody even Amy influence ur opinion of what happened to u

Rape is not ok don't confuse the two

If it was against nature it wudnt be possible and we wudnt be having this Convo

Agreed

I wasn't trying to change Edens mind... I was telling her to stick to her guns and do not let someone like Vierotchka make her feel that her statement was not correct and than use psychobabble on her. Edens feelings are hers and hers alone. I would appreciate if you would read my post and not twist words so that you or anyone else may come off sounding better. Tacky, very, very Tacky...

again, I will use this example to prove a point and please see the point and not just the one word in it! Murder is possible, but does that mean it is okay or acceptable?? Hello...

It is sad to say that I don't think you even see how absolutely ridiculous you are!?!?!

Ah, it is good to see you talking to yourself and pointing out to yourself how absolutely ridiculous you are!

The only one who has been using psychobabble, and babble in general, is you, Amy.

So says Amy the Incest Goddess.

So says alexandrek the Nature God.

Amy wat exactly happened to eden

Already pointed out the difference between murder and incest see I said that what u were doing was more like murder so u can't use murder as an example

Ditto bout some of the stuff I said about u

Are u on about the against nature thing here 2 cos there's nothing bout killing ur da or murder or even inces. That's against nature cos they can happen if something is against nature u have to brake the laws of physics to do it

Ye Amy because it's so easy to twist people's words when they are written in black and white

Care to elaborate on the one word Thing

I'm not being snide. You are not being responsive to what I said. Therefore, I am pointing out the weaknesses in your statements. From a legal standpoint, you base too much of your arguments on moral judgments, therefore, not coming off as very credible.

Firstly, some of them I do know personally from real life, so your "if" caveat was appropriate.

Secondly, one can gauge the intellectual capacity of correspondents online through the debates and interactions one has had with them and thus correctly assess if they are well-armed or not. On that level, I can indeed say about those whom I do not know personally in real life that I know them well with regard to their debating skills, intelligence, articulateness and knowledge.

Thirdly, the image you posted simply betrays an inflated ego and bloated sense of self-importance, so I refer you to what you wrote about not knowing those with whom you only have an interaction over the internet and about Presenting self and Perceived self.

Fourthly, you basically lose the debate by insulting others when you call them witless and mentally deranged - such a judgment implies that you think you know them well, so I refer you once again to what you wrote about not knowing those with whom you only have an interaction over the internet and about Presenting self and Perceived self.

Lastly, only the very malleable and impressionable are truly impacted by their friends and social environment, which would seem to be your case.

Please go back and look at your comments from when I started debating with people... you were not responsive in a manner worth responding to, only snide comments... the proof is in the pudding!

From a legal standpoint... The laws vary from state to state on incest...but in most parents,children,siblings are off limits, but marriage between cousins is legal in many states and countries. It is deemed incest in a few.

Also... all of these laws that were enacted had nothing to do with religion or the bible (the supposable "word of god"), but rather to keep society functioning and improving. if you have enough children (as has been proven in royal families) that are born out of siblings marrying or enough first cousins to keep power in the family, the dna structure suffers for it and breaks down and the children are born with either physical deformities, mental problems/illnesses and end up being bad for society. the hasburg family is famous as well as another royal families' hemophilia affecting almost all the children. some rulers were mentally retarded or had obvious physical abnormalities and this is because of the incest in the family including marriage between first cousins that happened continually without the tree branching very much. in society, if you have enough of this happen, everyone in society would be deficient and stunted and society would not function well. so it was deemed illegal. if you study genetics, you will easily understand why marrying within one's family (even second and third cousins, uncles, aunts..etc.)after awhile breaks down the dna terribly and allows for many more "conditions" to appear and create mutant type of people.

Sweetie...Amy....you are disgusted at the idea of incest because you have been brainwashed by social taboos. There is nothing wrong with incest, unless you believe in an imaginary deity that is going to punish you after you die.

Well, you have seen something in these people that I must have missed because in my correspondence with them I have not seen intelligence behind their argument... they are missing points or not acknowledging points I have made and trying to put down my intelligence, acting as if I do not understand incest and genetics. I've seen "inflated egos" and "bloated sense of self-importance" in all of you. I'm sure you know the saying... if you spot it you got it!

In my opinion... it is a deranged thought if you think incest is okay and you try to rationalize an ill behavior... so, witless was appropriate. I guess in your theory you would lose this argument since you are constantly trying to belittle me in some form or fashion and insulting me. You think if your articulate in it or use superlatives that you are justified in your insults... well, sorry, it doesn't work that way. throw your 25 cent insults at me all day long... it doesn't faze me in the least bit. I'm confident in who I am, where I come from and what I represent.

If you actually believe that children as they grow up are not impressionable and that family, friends and environment do not play a part in shaping and molding who someone becomes... well, you are completely disregarding centuries of psychologists who have studied human behavior. That to me is arrogance at it's finest! If the sentence..."only the very malleable and impressionable are truly impacted by their friends and social environment, which would seem to be your case." isn't from someone with a "bloated sense of self-importance" and "inflated ego" with a side of arrogance, I don't know what is!

If you think that because I do not agree with incest I am a product of my environment... well, THANK GOD that I am! Lol

I'll leave you with a quote from a man that has far more intellect than you could ever possibly possess! It goes along with family, friends and environment having an impact on people... :)

"I am what I am because of who we all are" -Desmond Tutu

Ahhh... jubal... I'm not your sweetie. I will put in here a comment you made that shows you are talking out of both sides of your mouth and trying to jump on the band wagon of bash Amy.

0 jubal
dunpeal:
Indeed as distasteful as it is to me personally, I agree with what you said.

That is a comment you made to dunpeal... Thanks! :)

I'm not brain washed trust me... I have been on the opposing side of most arguments in my life... I'm not afraid of my own opinion and to stand out from the beliefs of the majority. I'm also not a very religious person and I'm certainly not afraid of being punished after death or going to hell, since I don't believe in that! So, your assumption of why I believe what I do is incorrect! :)

This person will later claim to be the majority

Oh we got a great big convoy rolling through the night oh yes we got a great big convoy ain't she a beautiful sight

Amy quick get her

I wud like to apply ur statement to the civil rights movement I dnt know any body who like any of them darn toothin cotton pickin niggers ( my appogies to those offended lesser of 2 evils ) so that means I'm right

Ps. Amy are u in favour of eugenics

I'D like to apply ur comment to the civil rights movement. I don't know any of those Cotton pickin nigger lovers ( sorry for those that are offended lesser of 2 evils ) so I have a better moral high ground life

Ps. Amy do u support eugenics

And seriously get off the genetics thing the kid will not be inbred

K insult me and say I loose cos I'm trying to insult u all in the same comment very smart

It's people like u that will giv this kid problems I think u'll find that those that don't understand somthing are the ones who are the problem

Seriously? LOL!!!!

I'm glad that all you're capable of is insults... it tells me a lot about who you are as a person. Please, do not try to put words in my mouth. In the case of incest I'm sooooo glad that the majority agrees with me.... THANK GOD!!!! I would move to another country if it was reversed!

Your apology is not accepted... find a better example, or a better way to prove a point than to use such disgusting racist terms!!! BTW... it is not the same thing, just because I do not think incest is an acceptable behavior, does not mean that I am racist, I am far from racist by any means! You are so ignorant in your comments and so far off base, it is mind numbing! Please, learn how to use examples that make sense and have some validity!

P.S. Mulers, please learn how to spell. :)

In the case of incest, I'm glad I am with the majority!!! :)

Never said that u were racist, my point was that u were descriminating essentialy being sexist if u want me to define it. People are going to look back on ur coments the same way u look on racist comments and say the same things back in the day comments like mine were in a similar position of the majority like urs and the whole shit at spelling thing is because I value what I have to say more than how I have to say I am not one for the estethic jazz

Once again you are missing the point... I will try to keep it on a first grade level for you from this point on.

The kid will have a problem because of the sick and twisted parents and people like you, who think incest is okay!

Bang, bang, bang... that is my ahead against the wall!!! Lol

It's funny that most of you except jubal and jb83 (well, who knows if that is really jb83) have random pics up, instead of pics of yourselves... what are you hiding from?? What are you afraid of?? Oh, I know, maybe you will prove my point on incest and genetics??? Lol

How funny, to try to prove something, all of you are marking pluses for each other and marking minuses for me... if you count the pluses and minuses it makes sense with how many people have been debating against me... do you understand that this means the plus/minus system is a joke and it doesn't really work!!! LMAO!!!

Indeed I am for real. Consensual incest is only a crime because of people's prejudice about it. I understand the genetic risks of having babies, but there is nothing wrong with two people from the same family having an orgasm together, when its consensual.

Here's something ironic my last comment seems to have been way over ur head. I was they one making the point and u completely diregard it and say that I am some how missing the point.

No not really I fail to see how love and understanding are going to damage a child as aposed to the discrimination u and ur " majority " are dishing out

And if u dnt get this I doubt u will from me putting it in clear language again but here it goes ur the problem.

Ur surprised by the fact that we except an excepting person

Ye wat I already said