Gay couple adopts drug addict children. Addict complains
source: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090129/tuk-row-as-gay-couple-adopt-children-6323e80.html
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The woman, who has not been identified, was unable to look after her five-year-old boy and his four-year-old sister.
"I did not under any circumstances want my children to be placed with gay men. I wanted them to have a mum and a dad."
The grandparents of the children were considered unsuitable candidates due to age and health.
I'm all for gay adoption but surely the extended family should be higher on the list. I'd prefer to see the social services supporting the grandparents.
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SW2
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I think she should be grateful that they are going to be looked after by loving caring parents who can support them.
- 2 years ago
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SW2
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purplefox
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the gay couple were judged the more responsible parents - they should be allowed to look after the kids irrespective of sexual orientation, nuff said.
- 3 years ago
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purplefox
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jopie66
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If the drug addicted mum wanted to raise her children she should have put her children before drugs she made her decision.
- 3 years ago
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jopie66
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nursediesel
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The couple was most likely checked out and found to be qualified for taking care of the children. Alot of people willing to take kids only want one, the mom should be happy the kids are together. She should get her act together and arrange to have visits with the kids, then they'll have her in their lives. The judge should allow for grandparent visits and if the mother goes to rehab. have visits. Thank God someone wanted them and can take care of them together.
- 3 years ago
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nursediesel
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MiguelSanchez
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I don't see anything wrong with gay adoption, but they ARE her children, so she should have a say in the matter.
- 3 years ago
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MiguelSanchez
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rxqueen420
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So if it was a gay man who had a drug addiction and his children were taken away only to be adopted by a straight couple and he argued saying he prefers them to continue be raised by a homosexual couple, what would you say then?
- 3 years ago
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rxqueen420
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rxqueen420
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rxqueen420:
and no one answers....
- 3 years ago
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rxqueen420
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Prz
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theres only one thing that can support the two kiddies to live against their very burden: love.
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Prz
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Saladin
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Uh hey guys, here's a thought.
FUCK what the mom thinks, WHAT DO THE KIDS THINK?
- 3 years ago
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Saladin
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BubbaBighatt
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Man, people are reading things into the story that aren't there. For example, it doesn't say her kids were "taken away" from her. For all you know, she may have voluntarily decided to give them up. If that is the case, then yes, she has every right to state her preferences. And "no religious people have stepped up"? Where did you get that? You need to stop spinning everything to fit your agenda. And no matter how hard you try to ignore it, the truth is a hetero couple would make better parents than a gay couple, given everything else is equal. Sorry, it's just common sense - little girls pattern themselves after their mommy, and little boys after their dad. And, there is some research evidence, although studies are inconclusive, to suggest children develop differently when raised by lesbians or gays. Even on LGBT websites - http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpchildren.html
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BubbaBighatt
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Saladin
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BubbaBighatt:
Don't hide your bigotry behind a stat like that.
You could say the same thing about a family of a different race or religion, or a family with a disability.
Hell, the fact that someone is being fostered AT ALL ensures that they're going to be raised "differently."
That's not what you're after here, admit it. Gay adoption makes you uncomfortable and that's it.
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Saladin
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rxqueen420
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BubbaBighatt:
I agree with bubba.
Its not homophobia. Its just facts. Although 2 men can be loving parents, they will both be dads. Even if one is more "feminine" than the other. Still will be two men. They can never be a woman. Never be a mother.
May be just as good, but still wont be the real deal. I dont mean to insult. please dont read too much into this. I'm not saying anything against anyone. I'm just saying what is true.
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rxqueen420
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Jiji_Kero
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BubbaBighatt:
So, you're saying homosexual couples and single parents are the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to parenting? I don't think so, LOVE and NUTURING is what makes a great parent, not SEX/GENDER.
If you're gonna make bias statements like that, here's one for you: Homosexual parents will love their children MORE than heterosexual parents because they are extremely grateful to have be given the opportunity, whereas in some states, homosexual couples are denied this right. (Arkansas if I remember correctly)
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Jiji_Kero
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rxqueen420
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BubbaBighatt:
Its unfortunate that topics like these have to be discussed on the internet, where we are unable to fully comprehend the foundation and emotion behind a statement or belief. I'm sorry you misunderstood. I dont mean to insult you. What you say is mostly right, Jiji_Kero. But you can try to argue that 2 gay parents are the same as 2 straight parents. They can both be equally loving and nurturing. That is true. But the point is they are still different. Its 2 men or 2 women in one relationship and one of each in another. If it were the same, 2 women or 2 men would be able to reproduce naturally. Why do we even put the label as "gay" if the relationship were to be the same as a "hetero"?
Now please dont get it twisted. I believe you should live your life the way you want to live it. Love whoever you want to love. Its not my business, its not my life. Not me. So I shouldn't worry about what someone else thinks and how they view the world or other people. Just like here, unfortunately this woman does not view gays as parents. She wishes the best for her children. She thinks they are better raised by a mother and father. I dont have to agree with everything she says to defend her right to believe in whatever she wants. She isn't any less human because she was addicted to drugs. She needs help. You and I cant possibly imagine what its like to be her. I'm not pitying the woman, I just understand her position in this world as a mother who lost the closest things to her. Her kids. They still came from her. She understands they cant live with her. She is consumed in her world of emotional instability with her battle against herself. So she vanishes into the tranquility of escape from self-hate through the destructive help of drugs. She knows she cant raise these children. If she didnt care at all for the children, she wouldn't even care if they get adopted. She cares enough to say something. She spoke up, giving her concerns about how she prefers her children, which no matter what are still biologically hers, to be raised. Its not like she wants them to die or suffer. This is the way she believes is best. I think that the gay couple trying to adopt these children should understand. But I'm sure that they are pushing harder to adopt only because she doesn't want them to. more like a "I'll prove you wrong'' kinda thing. I hope I'm wrong on that because that would be sefish of them.Isnt it the first amendment that allows free speech?
Wasn't it Voltaire who said,"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your RIGHT to say it."
Now thats equality. - 3 years ago
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rxqueen420
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GatorMonkey
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BubbaBighatt:
Brendan, that was the SAME thought I had when I read the comment. Right on w you on that man
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GatorMonkey
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt:
Saladin, Calling someone a bigot is the first refuge of someone with no argument. You damn dirty racist. And did you actually think those studies compared the behaviors of adopted kids raised by gays with the behaviors of kids raised by their natural parents? Just how stupid (and racist) are you?
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt:
Jiji_Kero, do you understand what I meant when I wrote, “All else being equal”? That means if a gay couple and a hetero couple both “LOVE and NUTURE” the child equally, the child will be better off in the hetero relationship. And yeah, that’s an interesting statement you made about homosexual couples loving their children more because they’re more grateful. Seems to me it would be hard to measure that, so please send everyone the link for that study. (And FYI, It's nurture, not NUTURE)
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt:
Brendan_M, you’re right - APA is not specifically a LGBT website, however it does have a LGBT section. That’s the last thing you were somewhat right about, though. You wrote, “You are promoting your prejudiced opinion without backing it up”. I DID back it up; did you bother to read any of the studies on that website? And as for me, I live in the SF Bay Area. BubbaBighatt is a joke username, and you should stop judging people without knowing them. Many studies have proved that jumping to conclusions without really knowing someone indicates a shallow person. (Ha ha, just kidding, I don’t know of any studies that prove that!)
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt
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BubbaBighatt:
Brenda_M, Seriously I’ve seen your type all the time around Berkeley. You’ve always got an opinion, whether you know anything about it or not. And you love to offer it and you think that just because it came out of your tiny little head that it’s just as valid as an opinion by people who have actually taken the time to seriously study the situation. “Why is different bad?” Why don’t you read the studies and then maybe you’ll have a little bit of knowledge to go on other than your gut feelings. But that would require a little work and you strike me as pretty much a lazy ass.
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BubbaBighatt
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lyndzstyles
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who is the bigger victim here the child or the gay couple?
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lyndzstyles
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nazbags
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This actually makes me sick - this woman gave up her right to raise her children. If she wanted them to have a mum and dad, she should have gotten on it. I think it's a gross mistake when people say kids raised by gay couples won't have role models of the opposite sex. Just because they have two dads doesn't mean they'll never interact with a grown woman.
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nazbags
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JesseDeFrancesco400
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I see nothing wrong with gay adoption. The mother in this case should be happy that her children will be placed in a safe and loving home. Sexual orentation should not dictate how well you partent your children. In this case it clearly dosent.
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JesseDeFrancesco400
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JesseDeFrancesco400
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I see nothing wrong with gay adoption. The mother in this case should be happy that her children will be placed in a safe and loving home. Sexual orentation should not dictate how well you partent your children. In this case it clearly dosent.
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JesseDeFrancesco400
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dariusvons
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because we all know that two dads are worse than a neglectful druggy mom... who really knows what's best. yeah right.
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dariusvons
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clipper782
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The grandparents couldn't take care of the kids, they knew that, so they gave up their rights as guardians. They're just homophobic is all. How can these people use their own prejudices to decide who should raise these children. They want to stick to some fantasy ideal that they all hold. While none of them are actually able to care for the children themselves, they think they have the right to say who can?
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clipper782
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noxidereus
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clipper782:
Actually the reason the grandparents gave up is because of rising legal costs.
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noxidereus
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marlaynek
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I fully plan on adopting a child from foster care in the next few years. I would hope that anyone who understands the length of time it takes to get your child taken away from you, there is enough time to redeem yourself and rehabilitate. If this woman had her children taken from her and they are open for adoption now, she has had a chance to right her wrongs, it can take years for a child to be put up for adoption. So at this point she has no say. Those children will be better off with gay parents than with her. If the grandparents were not allowed to take then it is most likely for viable reasons. All children deserve love in their home, mom and dad, mom and mom or dad and dad.
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marlaynek
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mmerijf
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I knew a black kid that was adopted by white gay men and I hardly ever seen parents that good. They were so caring and accepting, and the kid is a baseball star and a complete guy's guy. It shows it dooesn't matter how what your parents sexual orientation is to have a great life.
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mmerijf
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bluestranger
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I'm all for anyone adopting children as long they can provide a home them, SW2. Should you ever get the chance, ask the people protesting in front a family planning clinic how many children they have adopted? Out of the hundreds I have asked I have had only two respond that they have.
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bluestranger
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mattbrawn
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I don't think the addict's got a leg to stand on, as long as the kids are being loved for and looked after, that's all the biological mother should be worried about.
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mattbrawn
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noxidereus
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While I fully agree that there is no problem with gay couples adopting a child, I am dismayed by how drug addicts are viewed by people in a holier-than-thou sort of way. While drug addicts don't make suitable parents, there is no reason to dehumanize them. A lot of people become addicted to hard core drugs because their lives are crap. Once addicted, it becomes less and less their own choice to be drug addicts.
While of course it is possible to become clean, you'd have to walk in their shoes to realize how hard it must be, not only to break the physical addiction, but to deal with the emotional issues that drove them to drugs in the first place.
I don't speak from personal experience (meaning I was never addicted to narcotics), but I have been to NA meetings with my dad, who successfully got off drugs. Although I do not advocate drug-addicted parents as acceptable, in my particular case I am very glad nobody took me away when I was a kid. I don't think the children should have been taken from their grandparents.
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noxidereus
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unimatrix0
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noxidereus:
mom has 2 problems - drug addiction and homophobia. no sympathy for mom here.
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unimatrix0
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richjm
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Her only concern should be whether or not the couple adopting her kids are going to look after them and give them the best upbringing they possibly can. Beyond that, things like gender should be irrelevant.
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richjm
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flyingkick
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Looks like the kids were on their way to being indoctrinated with homophobia- good thing they got out.
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flyingkick
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rxqueen420
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I forgot to add one more thing, if the mother is so concerend about having a mother figure in the lives of the children, then maybe there could be an agreement with the couple to allow her to be active and responsive in their lives as her role as their mother. She would need to get help with her addictions, and be able to maintain a stable job and home. They would need to make sure she is able to take care of herself before she can help taking care of her kids. That way its a win-win.
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rxqueen420
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rxqueen420:
i disagree, there are too many cases where a drug addict parent has been allowed a role in their child's life and has evolved a exploitative relationship with the child. if she really wants the kid to have a mother figure, she should work to overcome her addiction yes, but it should be the child's prerogative to seek that relationship once they've acclimated to a stable home before she can interfere in his or her life.
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ksol
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omordn
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rxqueen420:
Try working in a Foster Home. Again, your "logic" here is not credible. Most of the foster children come from parents that are addicted to drugs, are molested, abused, etc.
Try doing some research. My overall point here... if the adopted parents are offering a healthy environment, etc... why should there be a problem with them adopting these children? Would you rather see these kids live in a foster home until they're 18 years old and are forced to move out?
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omordn
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rxqueen420:
How is allowing a drug addict mother interaction with her children a win win? That just sounds like it will confuse and hurt the children more.
Why can't we just go live with you Mommy?
Because Crack was more appealing but I wanted you to have a female influence so I am gonna hang around.Now, beyond my poor attempt at sarcasm. What would you prefer for your kids.... a female incluence who has an addiction to drugs, can't be counted on, cant take care of herself, etc. OR a happy healthy supportive environment with no direct female influence.
And just because you give the mother visitation doesn't mean she'll use it, which in the long run, will only hurt and disappoint the children more.
Mom gave us up because she couldnt support us an wanted a better life for us vs
mom gave us up because she was on drugs and she can visit us but most of the time she is too cracked out to even remember and sometimes she's high when she visits us and obviously we were't good enough because she chooses drugs over us all the time
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GatorMonkey
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69fasty
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too bad there weren't any straight couples willing to help...
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69fasty
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marboss
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I'm pretty sure they asked the extended family. I think any supporting family is better than no family.
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marboss
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rxqueen420
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Gay people DO have the right to be parents. I completely agree with that. But this woman doesn't...but I still respect her decision. It still is her decision. Its her kids. I cant enforce my beliefs on her. Yes, she is a drug addict; she couldn't take care of her kids, so they were given up for adoption. But she still wants the best for them. Its not like she doesnt want them to have gay parents because she wants to be mean and cruel to her kids. She, as a mother, believes that her children should be raised by a man and woman. She feels that this is the best for her kids.
The best comparison I can give is what if a muslim family were forced to give a child for adoption and the child ends up getting adopted by a christian family. I say what the hell with religion anyway... But the muslim family has their beliefs and they believe their child should be raised by another muslim. So again, I would respect that decision. They want what they believe is best for their child.
Just like a lot of parents dont get their kids vaccinated. Its still the parents decision.
What if a gay couple had a child, either through a surrogate mother or through adoption, and they were forced to give it up for adoption. Their only request is that the child be brought up by another gay couple. Although there is a straight couple more than willing to take care of this child, the gay couple's wishes should be met.
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rxqueen420
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rxqueen420:
"She, as a mother, believes that her children should be raised by a man and woman. She feels that this is the best for her kids."
Back up a second. She has a skewed ideology of whats best for her kids; she can't even care for herself, much less provide day-to-day care for her two young children. What she "feels" is irrelevant, and became such when she chose the drugs over her family.
As parents we all struggle with ensuring that our children are brought up with the morals and ethics that we have, and we try to instil the values we think are most important. Not doing drugs (granted this is only my opinion, but the State obviously shares it with me) is a far more important lesson than the gender of the person you love being similar or dissimilar - perhaps if she chooses to get her shit together, then she can start having a say once again in her kids' upbringing... - 3 years ago
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alicynx
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omordn
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rxqueen420:
Sorry but um... you need to rethink your "logic" here.
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omordn
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rxqueen420:
rxqueen420 has a valid point and it is worth considering. While a drug addict may not be suitable to look after their own children, they do not cease being human, and it does not necessarily follow that every single wish they have for their children should be ignored. So long as the parents' wishes would not harm the child, they should be at least taken into consideration.
I don't like it when people are dehumanized by putting them into a category, such as "drug addict" and it becomes OK to treat them as subhuman because of the label. Yes they might be drug addicts, but they are still people. The drug war propaganda seems to have blinded some of us to this.
I do think it's quite ignorant for this woman to take issue with her child being adopted by a gay couple.
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noxidereus
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rxqueen420:
what she thinks is or isn't best should not dictate what kind of family cares for the children. the authorities took her right to parent away, they should decide. besides, it's becoming more and more obvious that adrogeny in the roles of the parents, or hell in the lives of typical individuals, is beneficial. and the gay community is rife with it. maybe they should be our first choice in adoption cases.
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poptart_invasion
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Chuck_st_chuck
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This pisses me off, a Savage like ehr has no right to judge
Like a mom and dad parent will make them grow better? says the drug addict lol makes me laugh
like a fat man telling a skinny kid what to eatI hope the couple gets to keep the kid and the mom should be kept far away from the kids if she's sooo worried about their welfar then a drug loser should not be arround them in their life
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Chuck_st_chuck
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carlosauresrex
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Drug addicts want a say in how their children should be raised after they horribly fail at it? Yeah, that's sensible.
/facetiousness - 3 years ago
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carlosauresrex
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FallenMorgan
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That bitch gave up her right to have a say in who raises her kids when she chose drugs over them.
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FallenMorgan:
You said it all.
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Jiji_Kero
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BFAM_RVS
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Well, if if takes a gay couple to get involved for the biological mother or father to stop their drug or alcohol use, then I am for that, but if the biological parents are not fit, then a safe, loving home environment is what the child should get, regardless of the sexual orientation of the adopting couple...
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BFAM_RVS
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Yeah when you're so addicted to drugs that you can't even take care of your children you give up the right to later make complaints about how they're being cared for. ridiculous.
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ClareW
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poptart_invasion
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sad. a drug-addict mom thinks she knows best.
and its almost hilarious what the church said. we not prejudice, we're just making a judgement call based on the couple's sexual orientation and no other information at all. might as well say you're not racist, you just don't want black people to raise the children. - 3 years ago
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poptart_invasion
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poptart_invasion:
exactly
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unimatrix0
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bleach4bleach
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I know a lesbian who fostered a boy who had a drug addict mother and a father who molested him, she does a brilliant job, and the kid has a much better life thanks to them.
When parents are unfit to make decisions for there children, what makes them think they can have a say after they have been taken away? - 3 years ago
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bleach4bleach
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unashamed_muse
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She gave up her rights to say anything about who does what with her children when she chose drugs over them.
I see nothing wrong with gay people having and/or raising children. These people stepped up for these children, the mums opinion in null and void.
Junkies dont have a say.
Voted up.
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unashamed_muse
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islek
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unashamed_muse:
Well said.
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islek
