DAVID SHUSTER: Another courageous American calling on the Bloomberg administration to allow Occupiers to peacefully protest is our next guest — former Philadelphia police captain Ray Lewis and current Occupy Wall Street member. Lewis was arrested last week, but says he remains undeterred, vowing to stay for as long as it takes to create real change in this country. Joining us here, in the studio, is retired Police Captain Ray Lewis. And Captain Lewis, thanks so much for time today.
RAY LEWIS: Thanks for your contribution to the movement.
SHUSTER: I want to ask you, what made you decide to take part in these protests?
LEWIS: Okay, before I do that, I want to apologize to all of the Occupiers for not being there yesterday and today, as I have been interviewed by TV stations and radio — which I thought is going to help get the message out more than me being at the site of Zuccotti Park — but I will be there tomorrow for Thanksgiving.
SHUSTER: And what is the message that drew you to the protests?
LEWIS: The suffering, the suffering that these people were willing to endure — not for their own benefit, but for social justice for everyone.
SHUSTER: A lot of people see that iconic image of you being hauled away in your police uniform. And it strikes them — it really sort of strikes a chord. What is it about your background as a police officer that made you particularly sympathize with this movement?
LEWIS: I saw a tremendous amount of suffering. Nineteen of my years was spent in the most economically depressed areas of Philadelphia and I saw unimaginable suffering.
SHUSTER: What was your response to the UC Davis pepper-spraying incident? Have you had a chance to see the pepper spray photos? What did you think, when you first heard about it and saw those images from UC Davis?
LEWIS: Disbelief. Outrage. This man is a sociopath. He should not only lose his job, he should be charged for assault and tried and I don't think this man -- perhaps this man doesn't even belong in society.
SHUSTER: When you see that he is wearing a police uniform — and you wore the uniform for so many years — what goes through your mind?
LEWIS: There is always going to be some bad apples in any profession, but with law enforcement, it's one of the most important professions to reduce, greatly, the number of bad apples.
SHUSTER: In your view — you served in Philadelphia — but Mayor Bloomberg here in New York, is he misusing the police force? And, if so, how?
LEWIS: I have criticized the destruction of Zuccotti Park and the criticism is solely directed toward Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one that sent the order out to do that.
Before this happened, there were strategic meetings — numerous — with Mayor Bloomberg, his top officials, top law enforcement officials and even the sanitation officials. Everybody was involved and every angle was covered. And at the end of it, he put his stamp on it. He is responsible. And then he says — he tries to come out with the fact that "I am responsible." It's the macho, authoritarian image. Well, what is he going to say? "I am not responsible?" "I have nothing to do with it?"
SHUSTER: As far as the raid itself, a lot of the apparently thousands of books that were at the People's Library at Zuccotti Park, those are now missing. The police, the administration — the city administration — cannot account for what happened to them. There is some allegations that they were simply thrown away. Is that standard procedure, when a raid is conducted, to simply throw books away?
LEWIS: No. That was conducted that way, again, because of the mayor. The standard of conduct here is — if it's not an illegal weapon, if it's not stolen property, if it's personal property the people have a right to own and maintain — you have to give the person a property receipt. That — there is a number on that. They get a copy. The other copy gets put around the property. It's taken away and — at a later date — they can get it back.
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