Will the Real Republicans Please Stand Up!

Not sure I'm following you here because it almost sounds like you're trying to make a case for Glenn Becks sanity and moral fiber.

WOW...something you can see as possible, because that would mean someone doesn't think like you.

Heaven forbid that to happen.

Unlike SOME, I don't require people to think like me. I do ask them to THINK in general and preferably for themselves after examining the actual facts and not hype, spin, talking points and or rhetoric.

You're not one of those people that think Glenn should shut up and go off the air, then?

He can say whatever he likes, as long as people understand it's simply for entertainment value, baseless, unfounded and he admits he makes it up as he goes - truth in advertising.

It's funny how mad you get because of Glenn.

Don't watch him.

But you can't help it.

There, there person who lies.

"Let's take this one thing at a time." You can't even start what you suggested.

Please lie more.

My pleasure and above all else, thank you. I fear my point was lost on those that needed it most.

Just like mine about people who complain about how people criticize Obama.

Not quite JJ, that may have been caused by author error.

snide and self centered.

I think you're going to try and corner that market.

I think I hit a nerve, sorry about that.

I know what nerve hitting is.

You didn't touch one. You just hit the hypocritical heights of political persons and it's amazing, since you're just a minger little citizen.

urban dictionary that word if you don't know what it is.

You would be a horrible poker player my friend. You have a number of prominent tells. One of which is you get personal when someone gets a little too close to home. I apologized for stinging the nerve, that was sincere despite our opposition.

Oh lies.

Here's one for you:
You leave comments and not reply to them because you know that you can't refute them, so you'll just pretend they don't exist.

don't worry I'm not keeping tally of the number of my comments on this page you've ignored.

And the thread wouldn't have had that many replies if there was something wrong with it. That nerve hitting must be something you felt....or you wouldn't still be licking your wounds with comments like that.

I don't reply to everything on Current because I have a life. I don't have the luxury of sporting my robe sitting in my moms house and popping off all day long. I try to get to the more compelling comments whenever possible.

Not only did you get worked up over a lie you insulted.

Proving, yet again, you're not better.

OK now I'm just lost? At first I thought I didn't know what you were talking about - and still don't. But after back tracking a bit I quickly realized YOU don't know what you're talking about. Maybe we can agree to debate on a single thread to simplify things a bit and I will try to dial back the vocabulary a tad for you.

I have a vocabulary too.

Let's not think you're on that island by yourself and if it were something you normally did you wouldn't need to dial back anything because you wouldn't even know how to do that....so use to using those words.

I always know what I'm saying.

Don't shift the blame because you're caught in the wind of your own ignorance.

If you wish to start with one thing go ahead and pick one thing. You lead so that you don't get lost.

Keith isn't part of the solution.

Did you admit that he's part of the problem? I didn't see you state that....looks like you may have, but I need you to actually say HE'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Because then you're actually trying to be truthful more than political.

But so far I just see you drawing party lines and not actually looking for the truth.

And all death in war is senseless. Nice try with that single word to try and differentiate.

What is your obsession with Keith Olbermann and choosing an opposing view point? With swastikas, death panels, birthers, socialist, fascist, racist and Marxist your biggest problem is with one of the people that actually takes the time to point out some of the madness? Do you have any problem at all with anyone from the right?

I have problems with everyone, but this doesn't feel like a sharing moment.

Feels like an interrogation.

You share first by stating that Keith is part of the problem and you'll get an answer to your question that's far more specific.

You know one of the marks of higher intelligence is learning from missteps. You continue to try and set ultimatums, tasks - if you will, for your predictable responses. Has that worked for you yet?

At this juncture the discussion is academic. You've proven my point all by yourself. You are more concerned with your opinion of one of the sane commentators and that someone else shares your prejudice towards him then the insane actions of people comparing our President to Hitler. That makes you part of the problem. Do you honestly not see the disproportionate effort here?

Disproportionate?

You denouncing all of Fox while ignoring MSNBC?

hahaha.

Seriously?

Wow, you may want to research the word MYOPIC. Fox, Telemundo and all the MSM combined pale in comparison to idiots with signs showing the President as a lawn jockey, with a Hitler mustache or screaming about loss of freedoms. THEY (you) lost undeserved P R I V I L E G E not one single, solitary freedom. Ironically, all the freedoms were lost under the last administration. These ridiculous protests are a day late and a constitution short. Although, some of it would have been just as inappropriate about Mr Bush.

So far they are ridiculous because you don't agree with them.

Nothing more than that.

I know you said a whole lot of big words and made up BS, but none of it justifies shutting them down or even talking about them.

Did you denounce protest against Bush? No, because you were too worried and focused on how you agreed and wanted to point out how people were being arrested there for their FREEDOM to protest.

Well you're not doing anything different here.

Simple as that.

The only simple thing here is the minds of those that cannot express opposition without racist or overtly personal attack. Lost in the madness you defend are some intelligent people with genuine constructive criticism that is not only welcomed by the current administration but would most like benefit us all. Pointing out President Obama is black in a derogatory manor and displaying your prejudices against those not like yourself is not productive, protected or necessary in any way shape or form.

I will use smaller words, if it helps if you would please tell me why you would think otherwise?

If liberals were smart, and I know that's a stretch seeing who I'm speaking with, they'd focus on the "legitimate" reasons to dislike Obama.

But they waste their time with a minority and then complain like it's the majority. A problem that isn't a problem is only worse because it's talked about not because it's worse.

And according to the liberal way of thinking you don't get respect unless you give it. So I don't see how Obama deserves respect since he's yet to give any properly.

I personally believe in the office deserves a sense of respect no matter if one agrees with seating president or not. But I guess that's the wrong way to go about it.

Wow, that must have been quite the large nerve I struck.

Did you think about that last statement before you popped it off?

Why would anyone liberal/conservative or otherwise concentrate solely on reasons to dislike the duly (overwhelmingly) elected President of the United States.

You don't see blatant racism as a problem and you haven't seen President Obama treat others with respect.

Those are some unusual assertions, to be kind for someone trying to question the intellect of others. Why don't you give that another shot sparky.

Wow.

Can't even do what you suggested.

Well guess you ran out of steam.

You are usually way more entertaining then this and at times a better opponent. You're going to have to use words and syntax the rest of us mere mortals can follow.

I asked a pretty specific question, how about an attempt at an answer. Why concentrate on disliking the President above at all cost?

I don't dislike Obama.

I just don't like people like you thinking he's done nothing wrong. THEN you people go...OMG but he has done things wrong like this...something about gay rights....but anyone with an ounce of a brain KNEW he wouldn't do anything about it or then there's the very lame not getting the troops out of the war or the not standing strong enough against Republicans and certain Democrats.

WEAK. The gay rights stuff was apparent from his speeches on the trail. The stand up one is blaming Obama for not agreeing with you which is a cop out and it's not something one should blame the President with.

Very few people that voted for him can actually state things that dont' fall in those really lame catagories. I mean I can see why they are a problem, but that isn't good enough. It's just an easy answer.

LIKE:

Why did you break up with me?

We are just not good for each other.

Totally ignoring the specifics as to why...like they fart in bed, they don't close the door when they poop...whatever it is that's all avoided because of the general answer.

Democrats give far too many general dislikes of Obama that really are not specific and fit Obama as who he is. It's as if they are afraid of insulting him or stating that they made a mistake or say something because someone would state that they sound like they regret.

It's really sad that people don't have the guts to criticize but they become so protective of him and then wonder why people state they suck at criticizing.

Oh and maybe you should try to actually pay attention to what is being said than pretending you can't follow, because that's a really poor insult. I give so much better you should at least try to give close to it. TRY...but maybe it's really hard for you. Understandable.

So you don't dislike Pres. Obama but your issue is those that support him don't dislike him enough to suit you? Does that about sum it up? So again you want people to concentrate on disliking or finding fault with the President - why? What exactly are you hoping someone will say for you when you ask for criticism of Pres. Obama? You're not satisfied with the "weak" responses you get, what are you looking for and why isn't it possible the answer you get is the way that particular person feels?

Nah it's not for someone to agree with me.

Guess you didn't read the 100+ replies to the thread I made. Especially the first page.

Because you wouldn't have asked any of that and since you claimed to read it then you should just remember it and there's your answer.

What? Hey, I'm playing nice - using little words and everything. Was there a point to that last rant? Help a brother out, if you don't consider that socialist or something equally awful.

The moment you can actually point to where I have ever called Obama a Socialist will be the moment you actually have credit for anything you've accused me of.

Go figure...you just lost a lot of credibility.

JJ you are in no position to judge credibility and certainly you are smart enough to understand the argument better than to assume the entire thing hinges on what you've most likely said or didn't say in the past. You aren't even trying at this point.

The reason you wouldn't want it to hinge on it is because you know how wrong your accusation is.

Good boy.

No silly, the reason - other than not wanting to waste a bunch of time proving you wrong yet again, is regardless it is off topic. As usual, and consistent with your many tells, you go way off topic, centralize the argument to one inane (sorry, empty) point and stick with, missing the main point you've failed to disprove. You have a predictable pattern, as I said stay out of Vegas my friend. They'll see you coming from the next state over.

Covering up a lie like your buddy Obama.

It's very good you emulate him.

You lied and now you're trying to pretend it doesn't matter by quantifying it with lame atempts. It's rather simple you state that you KNOW I have never stated that and you'll be in the clear. Continue to deny that you lied...well that'll speak for itself.

You pretended (like Obama does with his speeches) to want to change and go about this in a more civilized manner, but then you go off half cocked and now we're right here where we were days ago.

Either you're an instigator or you really don't care to be civil. Which is it?

Or maybe there's a third option where you accidently failed and would like to try again.

Boy I have to give you credit - sincerely, I am impressed. You take a beating like a prison snitch and beg for more. That's gotta be worth something.

You get so wrapped up in your own twisted logic you lose the main point. You realize you are arguing for the right to be a bigot rather than bring intelligent discourse (conversation) to a legitimate discussion. You're supporting idiots waving racist signs about meaningless points while trying to say you are looking for stronger criticism of the President - nice job.

If you would just slow down and think things through instead of immediately jumping to the opposing corner and painting yourself in you might actually have something salient (worth while) to say for a change.

I do admire your resilience, I must say. I keep a personal supply of whoop-ass on hand just for our little tête-à-têtes. Please feel free to come on back when you want some more there's plenty more to go around.

And yet you still can't admit you were wrong.

It's ok. You already did.

So by "and yet" you mean to say all I previously said was true but your concern is some imaginary error you fantasized I made - really? Maybe that's not what you meant to say - again.

Actually for you to state meant to say as if I ever said or alluded to such is a lovely little control freak thing to do.

Plant seeds of doubt and hope they sprout.

Except your seeds are dead before they are buried. Most cases that's the way it should work, in this case it defeats the purpose.

That was actually quite eloquent, in and of itself. Well said but devoid of substance, relevance or meaning in this context. I simply reiterated what you said to ensure I was grasping your meaning. I'm afraid you give me credit where none is deserved.

Let's break this down to it's basic elements. Healthy, constructive criticism is not only welcomed but an actual part of the democratic process. Carrying racist signs and expressing flat out hatred and bigotry is not part of that process. There is no doubt there are people running around t-bagging events and on the air with blatant racist agendas. Do YOU believe this is OK? Forget the counter argument you are formulating and consider the question on it's face value. I'm saying it more than ok to oppose the President on his deeds or lack there of but not simply because of the color of his skin.

The level of the conversation must be raised beyond simple arcane oppresses thoughts. Do you agree the people carrying these signs and supporting this hate in any way are out of line?

The few people that are making racist comments or have racists signs are out of line. This isn't anything new, this is also not something that will EVER go away. So thinking that talking about it will rationalize things and make people stop is a joke.

Focusing on them instead of the hundreds and thousands of other people that have concerns is also a joke and total deflection of what is really going on.

There is no purpose or solid goal in focusing on the constant racists that exist the world over. That's like focusing on someone's sexual habits and ignoring any point they have because you think they are a whore and what good do they have to share with the world other than open legs?

We've found common ground believe it or not. It IS however very necessary to bring to light the racism in opposition to the President. It demeans and dilutes both legitimate sides of the argument. As the Holocaust survivors say - "NEVER AGAIN". They are animate about ensuring any hint of fascism is acknowledged and stamp out as soon as possible.

So it is with racism, to ignore it would only allow it to fester and grow. It WILL go away if WE all decide to make it so. To pretend it's a small problem that doesn't deserve attention only serves to foster the problem, in essence making YOU part of the problem rather than the solution.

Those in legitimate opposition to the current administration are duty bound to denounce idiots on TV and in sign carrying crowds that take a bigoted tact or racial tone. They are the reason intelligent Republicans and or conservatives are not taken seriously. Even though they may have something constructive to say no one can hear them over the madness spewed by the Becks, Limbaughs, Coulters and every silly sign carrying idiot out there. Put these fools in there proper place and let's have a real discussion about the course of our nation.

What is sad is that you're stating liberals are not smart enough to differentiate between those that are racist and those that are not. If that is the case then maybe liberals shouldn't use the term any more until they understand what it actually means.

Why do you frame your comments so much so on blaming the other side and NEVER take the blame and place it where it belongs? It is fair to blame the racists for their comments. It is not fair to blame the right for lefts horrible use of term racism and not having the ability to discuss matters without bringing up the few that have signs that are disturbing.

It's like a stupid need to focus on the small just so you can ignore what is being said elsewhere...why? Because you can't defend Obama against any legit attacks? You feel better defending him against racist comments because you're the good guy and if you hear the other comments you don't have any defense because you know it'll make you look like the bad guy? Why is it so difficult to focus?

It is unnecessary to complain about every single instance that racism happens. What good does that do? You have to pick your battles and if you make up battles to fight, people start to not care. Like me...I could almost care less about any racist comment made because the left has cried Wolf one too many times.

And NO racism will always exist. War is known to be bloody and terrible and yet humans just can't stop, not for one day, having war. Don't act like humans are getting better....because there is no proof for that.

Wait, so the problem blocking cogent debate is the lack of "liberal" intellect to look past the bigotry and fall in line behind the conservative dogma? I'm guessing you didn't give that a lot of forethought. That's like looking past the pistol whipping of the mugger that is just trying to support his habit. Would you be willing to overlook that? Of course not but you expect people to just put up with racial insults and listen intently to rhetoric, sorting out the good from the bad on their own time.

Here's an idea - you want people to hear you, you want people to listen to the other side? Then YOU get those idiots to shut up and stop stealing your headlines and camera time. Until you're willing to acknowledge, engage and solve the initial problem don't expect anything but more frustration and unrelenting resistance to your very existence, let alone any thought you may want to share.

You've already admitted the racist are out of line, Why would you sit back and let that continue? Why would you justify that in any way shape or form? Exactly how many comments or backward delusional commentators are one too many for you?

Do you see President Obama as less of a leader or person because of the color of his skin? If not, why would you condone anyone else doing so under the guise of your belief system? Without action they continue to make YOU look foolish and you help them do it.

You act like racisim is a single party problem. Actually it has to be. That way liberals can focus on the minority of one group and ignore the majority that they can't defend against. Their defense is OMG you're racist...and then they state No we are not. But you accept racist in your group---ooooh bad.

Uh no.

It's like democrats are a bunch of blow job whores who care nothing more than cigars and blue dress. Please.

If you want to just focus on the negative then democrats all cheat on their taxes. Don't speak to the world about money until you get Timothy Geewilkers I didn't know I didn't pays Meh taxes out of a job or you just support people who commit tax fraud.

Focusing on the racist is not only easy for democrats to do but they can't help it but to focus on the LITTLE things....otherwise they'd have to face the bigger problem and that is they don't have all the answers to health care as they let people assume they do.

I have already been over what I think about racism and if you can't understand it then you are starting to be your own problem.

The only reason you care about racism is because of the President. The comments that other Presidents have gotten did what to you? made you this mad? please.

Don't make him a joke because you can't handle people being irate for retarded reasons. Pick your battles. Make a big deal about something, it better be worth it.

Your myopic traits are showing again, as well as another exposed nerve. One wouldn't think it would be so easy to push your buttons considering how hard you try to push others. This is one of the simple situations where all one has so to do is read what I wrote and your response to see the obvious.

You've made a few fatal assumptions, the most glaring is thinking the only reason *I* would care about racism is because of the President. Failing to grasp that I share more than ideals with the President I actually share heritage. I've known racism personally long before I knew of Barack Obama's existence. Your obvious issue wouldn't allow you to even imagine your nemesis was actually a "minority".

You said "pick your battles" well unfortunately those with "issues" don't allow US that privileged. The battle CHOSE me. You call racism a "LITTLE" thing and look for jokes and witticism. Well deal with the reality of your error and ask why you made it. Your answer - should you have the capacity to find it, will unlock all the other burning questions you have and most likely relieve some of your frustrations.

OR, you can attempt some ham fisted back peddle at this point and propagate more unrest and frustration. In any case, if you grasp nothing else from this or anything else understand racism, bigotry, inequality, lack of tolerance, etc. are all evils of the same origin and much larger than you'd clearly like to admit and until you come to terms you are most definitely part of the problem.

I get annoyed in traffic 1 billion times more than someone's political view. You want me to be annoyed and by stating so you hope it makes me get there quicker than you actually trying to do something. Your OCD needs to be checked out.
Your need to spread your victimness to include Obama is not ok. Obama is smart enough to know that talking about every little incident will taint his presidency with racism more than what he is doing and trying to accomplish.
I appreciate how you feel on this matter, but you're far too angry and that helps and heals nothing. I respect you enough to continue this conversation and actually spending time thinking about what I want to say in reply.
I am half Japanese and Irish...but if I was like Obama I'd state I am just Japanese or allow that assumption to rest in people's minds without making mention of the other half....since it gets me nothing from the Government. I am well aware of what racism is and though I do not share your view it does not mean I don't get it. That is a victim attitude to think you feel this way and those you speak to cannot understand it. That does not mean that all will but to think none does via your assumption of their race or via their skin color is not ok.
I do not know how you feel nor will I ever, but I do not pity people who beg for such just because they believe they deserve victim attention.
I experience prejudice on this site via people who think they can out smart me and do not give me credit for anything but how they dislike me and how I should go away. You dislike the feeling you get from not being liked because of you color but you treat people no better and now you expect to get sympathy? I can include myself in that, but I'm mainly speaking of Republicans and Conservatives. You expect to seem and look better because you are not them but you don't give much to go on. Why are you so angry and if it has something to do with comments made by others why do you allow them to control your emotions?

Keith does. He makes it worse with his snide and condescending tone he has.

Drop him from your idea that he's reasonable and there won't be much of disagreement.

SERIOUSLY? Are you that determined to be a part of the problem?

Keith Olbermann's "condescending tone" is tantamount to inciting violence and high treason.

Let me condense this down real quick so we can get to the business at hand.

- I'll challenge you to prove that

- You'll ignore the premise with some rhetoric

- I'll point out you failed to answer the question,

- more rhetoric.

- snappy retort guised as thinly vialed insult

- weak response

GALACTIC waist of time and energy.

To save us from all that. I'll concede the point and allow you to think as you wish. Now can we agree the small minded, backward ass, bigoted idiots need to be put in check?

Suggesting that he's a healing tone is a joke. Even if it's subtle hint that he's better than what's on Fox I will not agree.

He's not anything close to being a healing voice. He's more of a instigator of problems that he complains about.

What you're stating I do not agree with. It's not that bad. Please. Were you hypersensitive like this when people were protesting Bush and causing a ruckus? Were you calling them treasonous or Bush treasonous? I think you're overreacting with the treason crap.

I agree there is a problem.

I vehemently disagree that there is a treason issue....talk about fearmongroling.

First people state OMG they are so small they don't matter. NOW all the sudden they are big enough to cause treason?

ha.

Pick one.

WOW, you are so argumentative and contrarian you failed to see where I conceded the point.

Fine, have it your way - your support or lack there of won't make or break the cause.

First, you might want to bone up on treason before going any further with your argument. Compare what you find to direct statements from Heir Beck and signs carried by his t-bagging minions.

Second, prove your point - if you can. Show where Mr. Olbermann has incited crowds to rise up and disrupt constructive debate, show where he's called for civil disobedience, show him calling the President - any president a racist.

Third, Mr Bush is directly responsible for the deaths of nearly ten thousand Americans and the loss of countless foreign lives. He debased the Constitution and was appointed by the Supreme Court having failed to win an election outright. Which is pretty pathetic when you arguably consider he rigged the election.

Lastly, you're going to have to use words that everyone knows and not make them up as you go -"fearmongroling"?

Franklin D Roosevelt and Harry Truman are responsible for 405,000 deaths. That's about 202,000 deaths per President. That's almost 20 times more than 10,000.

I understand where you are coming from with what you are stating about Bush, but the reasoning you are using isn't good enough. It doesn't hold up when other Presidents have lost far more....even Kennedy had more deaths under his rule.

Lets not forget that WWII had protesters as well. People did not want to go to war during that time...even AFTER the attack on Pearl harbor.

Olbermann is an idiot. Whether or not he incited people is apparent that he did not. But he doesn't share any positive information and therefore doesn't help the cause.

Just because he doesn't cause the gash doesn't mean he isn't an infection.

And so you know....I don't support either side. Really I think there's a lot of stupid that can go around and it doesn't sit on any one side.

exactly why you ask glenn beck said so