The Methadone Trade: The Beat

thats quite easy ! there's no story, no headline's in the times . it easier to put people down theno build them up !

How about folks grow up and get their lives togeather.

Why dont you get some real life experience, and then you may judge ones addictions. You have yours.

Also.....What would that entail,... getting ones life together?

well lets see I have been homeless I have had to bum steal and beg I have had to hitchhike from Texas to WV i have had to spend time in jail because I was a drug addict I think I have had plenty of real life experience now at the tender age of fourtyfive i'm going to do as I want so long as I don't do anything that puts me back in jail Oh I was also kicked out of my parents house when I was seventeen and hitchhiked to tennessee to live with some folks that really didn't want me there. and I have been strung out on just about every drug you an get hooked on so to you I say fooy on youy.

well lets see get a job get a home get a hair cut maybe not so much a hair cut but at least take a bath more than once a week. pay ones own way maybe even et a car and get it all legal Oh i don't know how about become responsible. part of the community.

your not worth my time ..!..

OK, I really need to know. Is the "hitchhick" misspelling on purpose, if so, brilliant. I will be using the word as needed, thanks. If not, well, keep on 'hickin'.

Naa Man I miss spelled the word hitch hike. I do that whenI get pissed because some dumb fuc who does not know his ass from a hole in the ground and more than likely still lives at home tells me that I need to get some real life experience. I probably give away more stuff in a year than he owns.

it is the politics who are not willing to give these people a better life . drug users are not a "hot " topic unless it is opression and the war on drugs . drug users are not citizens , heck , they arent even human in the publics eye ! so who care's what happens to the dopeheads ?
that's the way most people look at users . until that changes, nothing will happen to improve the way users live.

maybe you should grow up ! not all people are the same and have the same oppertunity's others have . or even the same will or self esteem . so you need to look past your own life and experiences . no dissrespect intended.

after reading this i dont get your vieuws . you ,of all people should know that most cant get out ! even if they want to !

I know for a fact that unless you are in jail or unable to move then one can do what ever one wants to do. Be it right or wrong.

that is only true if you have a strong will and mind . not everybody has this .

I don't see it like that.

If you are telling the truth, then why are you sitting on a high horse judging addicts just like you claim to be?? If you got clean congradulations, but you are no better than any other addict just because you may not be using anymore. BTW, you should realize that addiction is a diease, and since you claim to suffer from it, you may get loaded tomorrow,,It is the one diease that tells me I am not sick..I happen to use Methadone Maintenance as my recovery and my life is together..I think you are full of it..
Pat

You are a hateful judgmental person,,When did you lose youe humanity for your fellow brothers and sisters who suffer from addiction? Also maybe you should be aware that many homeless people are mentally ill..Your comments on how the homeless should take a bath, etc shows me you forgot where it is you came from..I also hate it when people brag about their life on the streets..Addiction isn;t a contest to see who used more, who hitchiked more, your stories don't impress me..Your lack of compassion makes me sad for you..Hopefully if you ever have children they aren't addicts because I would hate to have a parent who is so apathetic as you are..

PAT
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I don't believe that you are worth anyone elses time..If you hate addicts and are repulsed by homelessness then why are you even watching the show and why are you posting here to people you dispise?
Pat

Your post just shows people how you think you are better than other dope fiends. I don't care how much you give away, what kind of drugs you used, but when you go around insulting a whole group of people just because they happen to be homeless/addicts/ mentally ill, then you are showing us what kind of a person you are..You don't need to insult anyone..These people didn't grow up saying "I want to be a homeless drug addict when I grow up" You sound like you are preaching the 12 steps..There is nothing wrong with 12 steps, but in my experience ( I was in a 12 step program for years) they tend to put down anyone who doesn't agree with the abstinance way of life...I really don't care how or why you stopped using, but I will stand up for anyone who suffers from this diease and anytime you insult, put down or judge an addict, I will be right here telling you how full of shit you are...
Pat

I hear you friend,,It really puzzles me how a person who claims they are an addict can have such contempt for addicts who are still suffering,,Maybe this person sees these people and see himself/herself in the mirror...Usually when we hate a certain group of people we see the part of ourselves that terrifies us...The only time I have ever looked down on a fellow addict is when I am helping them up..This Bailey person claims to be an addict but seems to be repulsed by other addicts..Addicts who are like Bailey are the ones who usually start using drugs again because he/she 4 got how bad it is on the streets,,I was taught to never 4 get my last fix, and I never will July 1 2002..That was the day I saw my best friend in a casket and I knew that is what was waiting for me..I don't believe in the so called 12 step bottoms, I hit dozens of bottoms, my bottom is death, Methadone saved my life, yes its a pain in the ass having to go once a week, but better that then mutilating my body anymore,,Hell, I am too old for this shit..I used from 14 years old until 46 years old and I am shocked as hell that I made it..Methadone isn't substituting one drug 4 another, because I don't believe that abstinance BS...Its like when I watch Celebraty rehab, and one person had been in 9 12 step rehabs..If thats the case, I think it is time to try something different.. Sorry for rambling but I am very passionate in my beliefs of harm reduction..before methadone, I tried to commit suicide several times,,,I had PAWS
Post Acute Withdrawl syndrome for 12 years..I was diagnoised with clinical depression, bi polar, ADHD,PTSS agorophobia, and all it was was PAWS, I suffered because I listened to a cult program that you don't use no matter what, and that almost killed me...I can't live without an opiate in my body, and that is not a failure, it is my sucess...I lived because I listened to my body (finally after years) and not the cult...

Pat

enjoy your opiate

You sure whine a lot.

I think it is called freedom of choice. i have that today. I have the choice to go and do what I like.

BLAH BLAh BLah Blah blah. Love me or hate me I'm still me and I like me today even if you don't.

I never said I was better. I just said I got clean and life got better. We all judge others just as you are trying to judge me for what I said.

no , you didnt say it,but you implied it in your comment and that is just as bad in my book .
as for as i am aware i didnt judge you ,i only gave my point of vieuw . how can i judge someone i never met ? and i think pat is mostly right in her comments and you have not givin' any insight or reason why you feel like you do . i do respect your opinion as a person . i just dont agree . that's called democracy .
and the blah ,blah thing is just childish and stupid . i never met any addict who is clean who didnt think he/she is'nt still an addict . even though they dont use anymore .
most agree that you will be an addict until you die .
you would have to agree that niether you or i know everything about other addicts people are different . i did get clean after 25 years of drug use . i went into the heroin program and got my dope from the governement . i was homeless for more then 5 years . my body is shot to hell . my life is fucked up and i can never work again . no one would judge me that know me and know my story . and i dont give away everything i own. because i dont own shit ! but i help people where i can and be a better person then i was when i was young . i also spent 9 years in prison for murder 1 . and still i made it out ! most of my family is speaking to me again and are proud of me !
for most addict it's quite simpel in the end ; you get sick of using and stop. or you die .
there is no middle way in my experience.
i dont judge you, i just want to show you another way of thinking and maybe make you understand that not everyone is like you.

pat ,what the hell is paws ? i never heard of that ! is that the new thing for drug treatment ? to put yet another label on us ? shove even more pills in our body's ? most of the "syndrome's" are in fact invented by the pharma industry to sell more drugs . if i am wrong about it please let me know .
people get slapped with one thing or another in these day's . just to maximise profits for the industry. most is bullshit in my opinion . they gave me a lot of the same labels .
all new "inventions"of modern medicene .
watch what you take my friend . be wise in your medication options ! less is more .
and they often are very addictive too boot !

that's a nasty comment , baily ! not neccesary in any way ! and so easy , i do hope you are better then this .

why ?

good for you !! the opiate is not what makes you who you are . it is your experience's in life that form you and make who you are / become . whatever works for you is fine ! dont let anyone tell you different !

as i read this i am thinking ; if only i had it that easy in my life . but i bet that's not the whole story or i hope that it's not . because most of this is prety standard dope head stuff and nothing special . i do realise it was hard for you as a person , and i dont want to put you down . but what i read here is all prety minor stuff . all addict go to jail at least once or twice ! 99 % get homeless too .and being kicked out is also very standard,
i get the feeling that you are feeling very sorry for yourself and what you went through .
i feel sorry for what i put others through . i have been raped, cut ,shot ,abducted and a whole lot more . even i dont think i am something special. a lot of guy's in the states have been through the same shit . i had money,girls ,cars and all the crap that goes with crime life . i started using at 12 /13 . then stopped and went to soft drugs for a while . also very standard. i just want to let you know that based on what you said, you had it easy .
p.s ; i dont live in the state's . i live in the netherlands . in case you wonder.

I am. I'm also able to see that one must want to change before change can begin.

I will think about what you have said and use what i can and yes i can be very childish but it's better than useing a bunch of cuss words. I'm Glad you have things going your way. an yes most either sober up or get covered up early.

Yea in most cases my life has been pretty good no prison only short stays in jail and no more than a few months at a time of homelessness. So yes things are pretty good in my world. I still hate to here others say they can't do something to better them selves.

indeed !!!!

Hi Richard..PAWS is post acute withdrawl syndrom..Believe me, since I found out that is what I have, I quit taking antidepressents, sleeping pills, and my panic attacks have almost disapeared..On a daily basis all I have to take is my thyroid medication, methadone, and my asthma inhaler if needed..I got to quit taking all of the poison they were giving me and with just the methadone, I feel normal for the first time in 30+ years...I may take a xanax but only if I am having a panic attack that I can't talk myself out of, because I know how mixing the 2 medications are dangerous...I was diagnoised with adult ADHD and they gave me Vyvanse, well, after taking the first dose, I was done..I don't want that crap anymore..Do you believe I was acually diagnoised with agorophobia in 1978? The doctors here had never heard of panic disorder, so they told me I was afraid to leave my home and gave me nutter drugs..I knew I wasn't scared to leave my house, and when many years later I found out what panic attacks were, I knew that is what I have,,Luckily when I quit using heroin and other opiates plus whatever else was around, I found the panic attacks were managable and I was more than happy to throw the pills down...

Pat

Wrong, whining is complaining about my life, poor me, and all that, I just don't like the things you say and I feel sorry for a person like you who has no empathy for people who aren't as lucky as you claim to be..I haven't whined about my life for a long time, and if I did feel sorry for myself, I certainly wouldn't share about it with someone like you..
Pat

If you knew anything about methadone, you would know that opiate addicts don;'t ENJOY methadone..I feel normal nothing more nothing less..Unless you are an expert in certain medications, I suggest you STFU because people will call you on your BS...

Pat

You are the only person who has been judging people in this thread..If you don't think you are being judgmental then you really don't have a clue..
Pat

You claim that you have been a drug addict yet you know nothing about the diease of addiction..You are writing like you think that people that are homeless have an easy way out..I am lucky to have never been homeless, but many of my friends have been, and once a person is out on the street, it is a hard road back..When were you homeless, when you were 13?? If indeed you ever were homeless you would know how hard it is to get a job, get a place to live, in the states its close to impossible to even get general relief money because a homeless person has no address..I had a boy friend who lost his home and he lived in his car for months, he would get a job, but when they found out he had to live in his car, they would fire him for not being responsible..You have no idea what people who are down on their luck go through, but even if you did, I don;t think you would even care..Addiction is a frigging diease, you can;t will yourself to as you say get better..BTW how did you get clean? Religion or 12 steps, I am asking because those 2 groups judge anyone who doesn't fit their mold...

Pat

Man you just made the most ignorant statement yet...I am begining to think you are just a high school kid sitting at your computer talking out of your neck..Addiction is a fatal diease do you seriously think that anyone likes being an addict?? I tried to quit for years,,It had nothing to do with "bettering myself" I quit the dope and got on methadone because I was too old and too tired to run the streets anymore, plus I know that I don;t have a bottom, My bottom would be death, and I just didn't want to die at 46 years old, so for me the choice was easy, Methadone or death..If you think that people on methadone are using drugs then you are no better than the right wing republicans who have the slogan "Just say no" Addicts don't belong in prison, and I know this will upset you, but we are now covered under the Americans with Disability act....That is so people like you can't treat us as second class citizens..

Pat

So tell me do you get Disability? for being a addict? or do you have a job and maintain a normal life with your methadone/

So don't read what i post it's that easy.

i know quite a few folks that are homeless right now most all of them have jobs those that want to work have jobs anyway. I myself lived out of my car a few times over the years. No big deal to live on the beach. I know a lot of folks have done it over the years. I got clean because I got tired of being a dope head and not haveing anything other than a habit to feed. it can be done if your strong enough not everybody is that strong. those that say it is a diease are just not wanting to face the facts Cancer is a diease addiction is not. So You can STFU and go tell your Doctor you need more of that legal dope He or She is pushing.

Oh and I never said it was easy I just said it could be done by those that truely want a better life.

he pat , yeah i read up on the subject and i agree for the most part with the diagnosis form . but nowaday's they invent all kinds off conditions to benefit the pharma industry.
but i am glad you are doing good now. keep ya head up !

never bluntly accept what any doctor or anyone else say's . you dont know thier motive or if they mean you harm . you where right to quit all the useless medication and start your own research . keep do'ing so and you will do fine. i too got slapped with a bunch of labels and pills and treu questions and research i got better and learned a lot ! and now i am do'ing so much better quiting the shrinks and their shit . just do what makes you happy and get's your life to where you want it to go . not what anyone thinks you should do or think . make up your own mind, that's the best advice i got .

I have never received disibility in my life, I have never gotton or applied for Medicade. I worked in my husbands office for 20+ years, When my husband was almost killed in an auto accident I stopped working and I am his caretaker, and no I don't receive money for that either..You really have some kind of problem with people who are on methadone, I find that the people who protest too much see themselves..You are either an idiot or you just don't care about people except the ones who fit into your fantasy world.What do you think most methadone do, just go to the clinic and then go home and do nothing? Our clinic has rich people, poor people, middle income people, homeless people,,We have lawyers, police officers all types of professional people.But we are all the same,I love every human being there are in my life no such thing as I am better than..Seems like your life is full of that crap..And FYI, when I said Methadone patients are covered under the Americans With Disabilities act, I didn't imply anything but what it means, no employer can fire me because I am on methadone, no lanlord can deny me an apartment because of being a methadone patient..If you knew anything about the law, you would know that in January of 1997 President Clinton took away SSI benefits if the only disability they have is addiction..You are a closed minded mean person who no matter what will have bad things to say about anyone on Methadone,,Since this subject doesn't even apply to you, I believe you are here just to start shit..Maybe you aren't done using yet, and we threaten your so called sobriety..Go and bitch about methadone at an NA meeting, because no one gives a shit about your judgemental hateful message..
Pat

I think that the shrinks that I have been to over a span of many years are more screwed up in the head that I am..And I totally agree about not accepting everything a doctor says, that is what got me started in the first place..14 years old with dihydrocodeine, Meprobrimates, barbituates and benzos all prescribed at the same time..I was an addict before I knew what an addict was..People used to see their doctors as Gods..I learned my lesson..If my doctor comes up with an off the wall diagnoise, I won't fill a medication until I am 100% sure what it is, what the side affects are, if I really have the condition, etc..When I had this one doctor, and told him about my migraines, he was prescribing medications for epilepsy, for depression, tried to give me opiates which make my migraines worse, all I wanted was the only drug that ever worked Imetrex, I had to jump through hoops to get the only medicine that took the migraines away 99% of the time...He even prescribed a blood pressure medication knowing that my blood pressure is already low..Damn, I hate doctors

Pat

..U are full of crap and you have an answer for everything, I know your type, you will argue because you are an unhappy SOB. I truly pity you...You hate and fear and despise anyone who is on methadone..What is your problem and.You lived out of your car, so what. you know homeless people who have jobs..But you also put them down saying they are filthy people who need to bathe more than once a week..If you know these people, why don;t you offer them your shower, let them use your washer and dryer..I bet you wouldn't help if your life depended on it, and that is the difference between you and an addict..Addicts have been there done that, and we open our homes to people we know and love when they need help..Quit telling your sob story, I bet no one gives a shit. because you have already shown that you believe you are better than...
Pat

Umm i don't go to meetings where they try to tell you how to live. I'm free to do as I like in this world so long as My Wife says it's Ok to do so. I too don't give a shit about your message. So go fly a kite ..!.

So you are pussy whipped too..Why don't you leave this subject alone because you are only here to harrass people. Methadone has nothing to do with you, so why are you so intreged by it? BTW, I don't fly kites..Why don;t you go play on a freeway blindfolded? U can't win here loser, so if you want to continue this you better know what you are talking about through experience. not by reading it in a book, any idiot can do that, but you can't argue what you don't understand

Pat

Once again, the people who want to control you usually don’t shy away from making that clear. Taking drugs that are highly profitable for the medical-pharmaceutical cartel is the “right thing”; making the decision to stop or deny a prescription recommendation is the “wrong thing.” Somehow, the mainstream continues to ignore the fact that the drug pushers in the corporatist pharmaceutical state, who make billions by pushing their patented, omnipotent dope on the conditioned masses, kill far more people than those folks who sell illicit drugs.

Right on my friend!!!! This idiot is a wanabe dope fiend..Unless a person has lived the life, they have nothing to say..I don't know why this guy is even here..He hates addicts and methadone, but he is posting here and arguing every damn day..I just have to wonder why he is so interested in this thread
Pat

I'm here to piss you off thats my Goal today Hell maybe all week You just can't stay away from it you love to try and prove your point I like to see you get upset at me I get my jollies from it Thanks for helping me. Oh and I love to play frisbee