Did airport slaughter scene get Modern Warfare 2 banned in Russia?

How is it not suitable when it's "just a game"?

so its offensive. i dont take that as a bad thing

I don't think it's offensive...there you go.

You can skip it at any time during the level, which means as soon as you see people shooting unarmed ADULT civilians(no children in the game), then you can skip it.

It's offensive, but nothing more offensive that what was in 300 or any standard R-rated action movie.

Why is it necessary to say there are no children?

I think it is important to say there are no children, lets still keep this in context. It isn't all that bad is it. I have watched movies that are much worse! In-fact i am off to play it right now!

Because there are no children in the game, and people would get the wrong idea in assuming you're allowed to slaughter children.

You are also not required to shoot anyone, and the people around you will still open fire on the crowd.

Of course if this bothers you, you can always pause the game and skip the level at any time without penalty.

However, if this game bothers you then you can just skip it altogether.

Ye, you just have to watch (should you wish) and once again there aren't children in the game... I bet they are loving all the free advertising they are getting though!

Who cares if there were children or not? It is, after all, just a game. So what if you shot children. Why not babies? I think that pregnant women would please people that love abortion. Shoot 'em all.

But make sure part of the game has you gassing Jews. Let's add to the "only game" mentality.

Yes but people are saying they are offended by the game depicting the shooting of women and children, but as you are saying it is just a game. If you aren't worrying about the difference of what it is you are shooting due to it not being real anyway then why be offended at all?

oh shit. Mr. Jammer pulled the Holocaust card. now I realize the game is not fun, and that every enemy soldier I kill could actually be a person in real life.

because that fucking makes sense.

I can put whatever I want and call it a game. Shoot the President in the head with a cross bow and call it game and no one could do anything about it, because it's what? Just a game. I could have pedophiles raping children in the background and you will all be ok cause it's just a game.

umm, yeah, you could have that in a game. and yeah, you could call it a game. but you probably couldn't release it to the public, dumbass.

Are those things too sensitive?

I could release them as a game just fine. They are no different than what is being shown here. Illegal things going on that people are ok with. Did what I mention push your comfort zone? That isn't what keeps people from making games like this, now is it?

Wait, sorry, what? you think if this game had pedophiles gratuitously raping children in the background, people would still be defending it? once again, yeah, ok, because that makes total sense. that definitely still maintains the same sense of context as the airport shooting in the game.

do you realize that the average teenager sees something like 1000 deaths on TV before they're 16? so should we just get rid of TV? you know what, I don't like the Mona Lisa, because her little smirk makes me think she just murdered someone. so we should take it down and put it in a vault right? The movie "The Hours" has the main character committing suicide in the first five minutes. so we should ban it.

Mr. Jammer, please move to China or North Korea. maybe you'll find that sort of sheltered life much more comfortable.

I don't like the phrase "It's just" because that's always a beginning of a lie. It is trying to belittle anyone who thinks it's more than just. Plus it is almost worse than "I'm just sayin' or in my opinion." It is a game and people can choose to play it or not, that much is true.

8 minutes.

8 minutes of slaughter of civilians....then some ones with guns.
What movie shows 8 minutes of slaughter? Even horror movies don't spend that much time on that. Music, on the other hand, I think is worse in violence than video games and movies combined.

AND....this is in Russia. No congress.

its nothing specific about videogames. its just that they relatively new and not really understood by many people. dont forget they were saying the same stuff about rock music a few decades back

Why, because as far as I'm concerned, we need more fucking and sucking in the world and we need to stop glorifying violence. Most people like me that are offended by this video game, are just as offended if not more by violent movies and tv shows.

I have not seen a single episode of The Sopranos because of this. Nor do I ever care to see any episodes.

Except this game is pretend, and it would take a moron to not be able to decipher virtual, from real life. It's rated M for a reason, I know several stores in my area that won't sell M rated games to anyone under the age of 17 unless a parent is present. No one actually filmed that and then sold it to kids.

But hey, ya know, terrorism doesn't happen, and we live in a perfect world where there aren't people out there who will do this.

I don't know where you're from, but seeing a triple homicide on the 6 o'clock news is no big surprise to me. Welcome to the real world duder. People like to control fake people who shoot other fake people who shoot back at fake people. Thats just how it goes.

Pretend?So all those videos of those infamous guys that shot up the first school made were all pretend? What is sad is this: but seeing a triple homicide on the 6 o'clock news is no big surprise to me--
That is not how it goes unless you're apathetic. Funny there's almost no need for the a in some cases.

Not real?
Neither are plans to murder someone. For that moment it's just pretend...just like the Columbine prep. They weren't doing anything wrong cause it wasn't real.
Any story that needs to take 8 minutes of redundant bloodlust to establish a villain isn't creative.

Video games are not reality. Therefore, using a real-life situation and comparing it to a fictional game situations are comparing apples to oranges.

And yes, using 8 minutes to set up a villian in an 8 to 12 hour game is perfectly acceptable. Movies take longer to do that, and no one was protesting Star Wars when Darth Vader blew up a whole planet of people. That's a whole lot more than a crowded airport.

No one saw the people blow up. Speaking of Orange and Apples. And the videos of the Columbine boys didn't show them killing anyone. They were just playing and therefore it was just pretend and it meant nothing....just like video games mean nothing. Though funny about nothing---army use simulations that are similar. Huh..

Yes, let's assume that Vader blew up an empty planet for the sake of an argument, despite the plot developments that dictate otherwise. I would highly suggest watching the movie before making baseless assumptions, because he most definitely blew up that planet with the people on it.

I suppose people arguing against the visual content as opposed to the representation of death itself. Either way, what you see here could easily appear on an episode of 24, yet despite all the threats of death and references to terrorism, no on is railing against that. Yet, you manage to refer back to a REAL-LIFE event, and compare it to a video game. There is a difference between actually training in real life to go kill people with the intent to do so, and playing a video game with no intent to harm anyone.

Yet and still, people think for some reason that video game will make mass murderers of us all. If this is true, then why are we not all dead yet? Because it isn't true. There are studies that support that video games decrease levels of stress and violent impulses that cause violent behavior. While there are isolated incidents of violence that may or may not occur because of influences of video games, the intention is not to create violent outburst. Rather, the video games are just a simulation of either reality or fantasy. While the Army may use training simulations on the computer to train soldiers for combat, it is not the only means of training they use, and is often used to help PTSD-prone troops cope with coming back home after leaving the battlefields. Perhaps it is less of a killing simulator and more of a stress reliever for those entering and leaving the battlefield.

In closing, video games should not be held accountable for situations that are influenced by human responsibility no matter how violent they may be. In the end, we are all responsible for our actions and not a video game. Violence has been happening for many centuries before the invention of the television, so we should not blame an inanimate object or interactive experience for what deep seeded impulses people have buried deep in them. The game/video did not put them there.

So those that abuse children and the children turn bad---tell the child that they are responsible for their own behavior and not to give you excuses? I never blamed video games for anything, that's you being defensive. They can contribute to problems. Trash in, trash out. AND Dr. Spock had backing and he said he was wrong.

They do not tell you that you will be tasked with walking thru the airport slaughtering men , women and children.
Please keep some perspective in your defense.

Yes, it doesn't tell you that you go through and massacre men and women (not children btw). But seriously, why would you get mad that it does not tell you this? Do you get upset when you go into a movie that is rated R and warns you about violence and then see innocent people being shot without the movie telling you it was going to happen? If so, then I can understand where you could be coming from. It didn't tell you what was going to happen because it would have taken away from the plot.

bingo. the only real thing to worry about is if enough is being done to keep games like this away from kids. (i think enough is being done).

Your right, it is. I am only 17, and I had to get my mam to buy it because the shop, that usualy does, refused to sell the game to anyone under 18

I agree. Sure, it's controversial, and most find it offensive, but this portion of the game is one of the most shocking moments I've experienced in a video game. I mean that in a good way. The effect it has on you for the rest of the game is just astounding.

she was not talking to u douche

Uhhh, except that I know both of them... very well I might add. Who the fuck are you?

someone who does not know how to read a thread..............

LMFAO I guess we agree here.

welcome to the internet usz

the sequence in the game is doing something that it would do in any other art form: attempt to evoke an emotional response out of the receiver.

so yeah, I don't know a lot about you. but I can obviously tell that you apparently think everyone playing this sequence in the game is thinking "WOO, THIS IS SO MUCH FUN, I LOVE SLAUGHTERING INNOCENTS!!" dude, er, um, SIR, MY BAD, some people were actually SHOCKED and maybe some even CRINGED. which is exactly what the scene was meant to do. if someone's playing the sequence trying to shoot everyone they can, the sequence OBVIOUSLY wasn't meant for them.

If this whole video game was a movie, people would be paying $9 bucks to see it and walk out thinking it's a blockbuster.

but you already said you aren't going to read anything from anyone else right? so everyone else's opinion is moot, I guess, compared to your almighty wisdom.

get over yourself. learn to communicate WITH people. it's actually sometimes refreshing if the other person isn't a brick wall.

uummm
Did not know this scene was in it until AFTER i bought the game .The world is not so cut and dried my friend.

Y so angry?

Well there lies the problem. In general, people do not research the products they buy. They make blind purchases and complain when they find something they don't agree with. This whole deal about the "No Russian" scene has been all over the news since the footage leaked a few weeks back. If you were going to purchase the game, perhaps it might have been a good idea to find just a little bit more information about it. Besides, read the the rating. It tells you what kind of material the game contains. Just because the scene is something that's never been done before doesn't mean it should not be done. Don't tell me that the consumer needs warning that they'll be shooting innocent people. Are movies any different? When you watch a Tarantino film, do they say: "careful, we decapitate people in the movie." No, they don't.

Look, I honestly felt very awkward as I played through "No Russian." Blindly shooting hundreds of civilians is not my idea of fun (although it may be for some). However, I am very glad I played through it. It's a magnificent achievement in video game narrative and a very powerful tool for delivering the tension that the game embodies. I am angry because this story keeps spinning all over the world when it really shouldn't. It's not a big deal. You have the option to play the scene. Just skip it if you find the material offensive. I really don't understand why everyone refuses to acknowledge that the solution is simple. Don't play it if you find it offensive, just like you would not read a book, watch a movie or listen to a song that you found offensive.

OMG I LOVE IT WHEN MY FRIENDS FIGHT! ERICK AND ERIC YOU GUYS ARE HILARIOUS.

I am not fighting. Just happen to have a different view on this but I will not try and shove it down his throat. Impossible to use his logic of just looking at the rating when we are talking about one EXTREMELY offensive scene. And the last I looked they do not publish EVERY FUCKING level content on the box of the product.
I will shut up now because I am starting to get pissed. The last time that happened I was banned.

and it is my Mother Fucking right to complain about any fucking thing I please.
just like it is your right to complain about complainers...however no one called you out like you are calling me out.
it is my fucking 62.00 that was paid...
If you dont want to hear it or read it then use your own logic and refrain from reading it or responding..

it is a fucking forum.

I'm not aiming anything I said at you specifically. Actually, I clearly wrote: "in general." I honestly don't care if you don't understand my logic, and I do not mean to censor your own opinions on this site. I am only expressing my own and in no way made an attack on yours. Actually, you're the one who responded to MY comment my friend. I am angry at the issue not at what you or other people have said. Like you mentioned, it's just a forum. I don't care that you don't agree with me as much as you don't care that I don't agree with you. Relax, don't lose your temper, and in all seriousness, let's just chill the fuck out.

I know what can relieve the frustration... Angry sex! XD

Already on that Catalina.....haha

Namaste

I my defense I process the world literally.
I lack a filter.

VERY well said..................

"I'm an adult and this doesn't really shock or offend me anymore then the movie "Natural Born Killers"... if you don't like that sort of thing, don't play it.'

i am 48

think that might qualify me as an adult also...
i dunno

If you were not shocked by Natural Born Killers or this level in the game....

well.................

I understand it is all fiction but ..............

never mind.

none of my business.

@JulianCommongold

Lol... I know where you're going... I might be a little sick in the head... lol... joking... I'm really desensitized to games, tv, and movies. I'm a bleeding heart left winger, who fully cares for individuals and all species in this wonderful planet.

But these games are just the evolution of the things I did when I was young... I am 28, and played cops & robbers, and that sort of thing as a young child. I watched violent movies like Terminator and all kinds of horror movies growing up. The average age for video gamers are late 20's, early 30's. So my point is that adult entertainment is meant for adults... lol. When you look at the history of the violent games many of us played, this is the same thing with a different setting. Thats probably why its not shocking.

I have to agree with Manu. The game itself is not offensive or shocking and as an adult if you find it that way do not play it. The problem with this game is its ability to fall into the hands of children. Children have a much lower ability to reason thus they will come to wrong conclusions by taking part in games like this.

For me it doesn't matter if you're an adult, we should not censor things just because they are offensive, if we did we would commit a crime against liberty.

The problem is the children. This must be solved by the adults, it is the only way it can be. Parents must take it into their own hands to put restrictions on their kids. But I also think that Activision should help out a little, they know that this game is going to be on every young teen's wish list. They should have merely made the level into a movie-scene and not something that you can take part in, for the reasons made below in my own post.

Manu

I truly meant no offense.

It doesn't glorify violence?

Yeah. It sure doesn't. That 8 minute video doesn't glorify anything but flight safety.

the game doesn't give you points for killing people, it's not even mandated that you kill people to maintain your cover in-game. so no, in fact, the game DOES NOT glorify the murder of hundreds of civilians.

God you're ignorant. do you even understand the context the scene is in or how you can react to it? if I showed you a video where a man shot another unarmed man, what would your first reaction be? that it was cruel, right? what if I told you after that the unarmed man was a terrorist that has been behind numerous bombings? your perspective changes.

I have to wonder if anyone who thinks this is controversial even realizes that it is FICTIONAL. if this airport massacre was a real event, and the creators simulated it and put it into this game, HELL YEAH I'd be offended! but it's not real, it takes place in a different Russia, in a different international situation.

That's good to know.

exactly, you are warned i believe 4 times that you are passing the warning screens when there is the level pass option... they didn't put it for nothing turns out.