Does death exist? New theory says 'no'
source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-death-exist-new-theo_b_384515.html
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One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the "many-worlds" interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the 'multiverse'). A new scientific theory - called biocentrism - refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling - the 'Who am I?'- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn't go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?
Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result. The linkages between these various histories and universes transcend our ordinary classical ideas of space and time. Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply holo-projecting either this or that result onto a screen. Whether you turn the second beam splitter on or off, it's still the same battery or agent responsible for the projection.
According to Biocentrism, space and time are not the hard objects we think. Wave your hand through the air - if you take everything away, what's left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. You can't see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Everything you see and experience right now is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.
Death does not exist in a timeless, spaceless world. In the end, even Einstein admitted, "Now Besso" (an old friend) "has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us...know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Immortality doesn't mean a perpetual existence in time without end, but rather resides outside of time altogether.
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keabler
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hsween5:
i really don't understand why people have the delusion that they are something special. What all life is, is a series of ongoing chemical reactions, who's goal is to procreate and continue the species. Our conscious and self is nothing more than an evolutionary trait, and hold no higher meaning or significance in the universe.
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keabler
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hsween5:
hsween5 is proposing that all these past lives, human or animal, are sick of waiting around and rejoining all at once, therefore creating an increase in world population.
Maybe that's why there are so many weird-dos about these days. er, maybe it's something in the water. - 2 years ago
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arosso
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I've been trying to tell people this for years. Energy, like matter, is neither created nor destroyed.
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arosso
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tommic
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It then stands to reason that every living thing with a brain and electrical impulses leaves this world for the next when they die. Rats, Birds, Alligators,apes and humans all living things .Interesting. I just hope that when we do die we get to jump stars, galaxies and travel the cosmos with the energy we leave this earth with.
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tommic
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tommic:
I couldn't agree with you more.
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MikeofLA
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indecisiveh
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Cue the metaphysical capitalists.
It is called new science for a reason. How pointless is it to discuss quantum physics among a populace that has no real grasp of normal physics, or even basic chemistry.
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indecisiveh
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royulery
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once the buddha, while sitting beneath a great tree, was asked; " how many births do you have left in the material world?" the buddha, smiling brightly said " only as many as the leaves on this tree ".
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royulery
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twodragonswithguns
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these guys discovered the conservation of energy! woah THEY ROCK
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twodragonswithguns:
^ Haha, appreciated.
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pinto1203
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Hurtsville
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Great article. I hope they double their efforts in future studies.
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Kashmir
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Awesome!
And Nocturnus...I was listening to that song when I scrolled down to see your post!
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Kashmir
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mcwally
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http://www.aeonia.com/russian-dna-discoveries-mind-blowing this is more interesting as it covers all territories dealing with the Unseen worlds...obviously the body dies...but what these russians have discovered is far more factual ....
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mcwally
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mcwally:
Whatever......more silliness......
It depresses me to see otherwise apparently intelligent people calling this science.
Not one word of documented and corroborated evidence in that article. Just comments like 'researchers have found _____', which is the same tactic fox news uses to propr up their bogus arguments. Where's the peer-reviewed hard data? Or isn't there any?
I mean- 'language-modulated laser rays' - come on guys.......
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thewhompus
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laserdog
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mcwally:
FTA: "Living chromosomes function just like a holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation."
Yeah, this isn't real...
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laserdog
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ankab
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mcwally:
Like someone once said..... And I can't remember who....Oh those Russians.......Always same place......Same time... I'm just beginning to get the trend.
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ankab
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thewhompus
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It suffers several essential and tenuous assumptions, and thus can hardly be considered scientific.
I'm so sick of people trying to prop up metaphysics and spirituality with quantum physics.....it was a bogus line of reasoning in the 70's and is still bogus today.
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thewhompus
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thewhompus:
I think there is a very specific scientific question there that they are testing, that being "Why does time only go forward?"
Quantum Theory acts as though it doesn't. So why does everything else we perceive act that way?
If time doesn't always march on, death is less scary. Because instead of us being left behind by the advancement of time, our life is essentially the construction of a permanent 4-dimensional object in a specific slice of time.
Death is then just us reaching the tail end of the construction of that object, something no scarier than our birth.
I agree the bit about the "energy going somewhere else" is bizarre and definitely a bit too metaphysical for me.
But still, their work on time is useful, if only to help us realize that we perceive everything through a biological filter, and that the unfiltered reality might be far different.
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thewhompus:
I don't really see how that makes any difference. From a subjective viewpoint (which is all we have), time still goes by, we still die, things end.
It's not so much that I disagree with what they're saying about time (it's one of many theories), but more about their tendency to use psedoscientific arguments to prop up metaphysics, and their attempts to apply this relevantly to the human experience. Sure maybe from a scientific perspective we can propose that the universe is timeless (still an unprovable assertion), but since we can never experience it that way, what relevance is there in such a statement. It's an untestable theory that's completely irrelevant.
What bugs me is all that stuff about the 'many worlds' theory, the 20 watts, the transcendence of energy, etc., etc.
It's hoo-hoo.
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thewhompus
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thewhompus:
the idea is definitely more oriented towards engaging the philosophical aspects of death, time, and our place within that construct by using some scientific ideas as a bases; however the argument is not presented soundly and with some very large assumptions.
All that being said, what laser dog has to say about the our understanding of space-time and the relevance to our own existence is still important on a human emotional level. It can rationally allow ourselves to see how we fit into the nature of existence, thus allowing people all the comforts of religion while minimizing the negative aspects.
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versasrev
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Maeveeo
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Its All In Your Head Like This Stuff Your Reading Right Now !
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Maeveeo:
And Grammar!
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Maeveeo:
Completely true.
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Nocturnus
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There is a light that never goes out
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Nocturnus:
to die by your side, well the pleasure, the privilege is mine.
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Nocturnus:
Not true.
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thewhompus
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This article is horseshit......and assumes there's actually a 'you' to be discussed, which is an entirely unfounded assumption, to be polite.
WAAAAAY too much reliance on the metaphysical there to be scientific at all.
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thewhompus
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Vierotchka
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This article/theory does in a way confirm Julian Barbour's theory about time, or rather, about the non-existence of time. Google his name - his books and papers are very interesting and compelling.
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Vierotchka:
I just clicked on your mentioned site and went to his source link. There is no time, anyone who contemplates an imaginary place of stop, understands this. However, your friends here quickly assume that the universe must then be a series of stopped, endlessly conjoined whole realities, leading one to the next. This view, I certainly believe to be illusion.
They wish to propose a "snap-shot" of all, and then reproduce it endlessly. From this perhaps, they also wish to think all snap-shots exist always.That is the one flaw, for any such snap-shot is a construction of their appreciations or of inferences and if taken as a moment, regardless, resolves forever forward. 'Forward' here must attain because the notion of an artificial stop (which they propose) demands it.
I saw an interesting sign once, it said "The Eternal Now"So there are not infinite segmentations. The past is the past - and can only be remembered. States of what was are gone, non-existent. The future does not exist. Only the now.
So your friends are only half-right. - 2 years ago
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Vierotchka:
I agree. But the "now" is not "YOU",....not "the ego".
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Vierotchka:
It's all happening in the now. The 'you' part is a matter of your experience - the process of a human brain creates experience. If we ask ourselves to consider a point or 'slice' of time, we can not see an experience because experience is stretched over an expanse of time. It takes time for process - biological process - to produce for us, our experience.
So in very real ways, the notion of a 'you' is a fraud. A fiction of process. - 2 years ago
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Life is life - it sends out tendrils to manifest in the material world, and these manifestations are transient because of the nature of matter - when the material has run its course and decays, life leaves it, but life itself doesn't die. Individual animated beings are part of life, they partake in life, they are not themselves life.
Wise men have said that we are not material beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a material experience.
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
I second that.
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Vierotchka:
Not true, your brain is an experience-creating machine and when you're dead, you're done.
When the brain stops, you stop and it becomes someone's else's turn. - 2 years ago
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cadex
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Thanks for this food for thought.
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cadex
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artemis6
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We all will find out eventually .
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sidewaysclyde
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Interesting article, great post, thanks!
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bushama
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Interesting It made me think of a video I had seen with a guy buy the name of David Icke. Yes he does have some interesting ideas.
David Icke, On Death And Eternity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QUayzh2uA - 2 years ago
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bushama:
Oh Christ please don't post David Icke's crazy shit here. Thats a little much 0_o
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bushama:
The brain works by having a continuously firing set of neural nets connected to and stabilizing several sets of destabilized nets. Restabilizing, destabilized nets. That's the job. Such net-states are de-stabilized by the continuous input from sensory signals. The job of the continuously firing sets, that part of your experience that seems always "on" or aware, is to build the experiences as they are created within your brain during and by the above process.
You are a machine. You are connected to and part of the thoughts and what seems "experience" as it happens - because you are creating the experience by the process, as it happens, or as fast as you are capable of creating it.Sometimes outside influences out-pace your ability to keep up, unfortunately.
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i think this is an excelent theory, i want to "die" and then go to another universe, or world. that would be fanastic.
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omarty
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This is the most encouraging development i have ever heard in my short life
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omarty
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omarty:
agreed.
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