Breaking News! Homeland Security, FBI Raids Militias in Multiple States!

So it's ok when the government busts groups you don't like but when it's potheads they're busting then suddenly the government is a bunch of facists?

but anyway...
"Citizen militias are a requirement of the Constitution to protect the populace from a tyrannical government."

I don't believe that is how it is worded in the constitution. More along the lines of

A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, (something these guys aren't) BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

The original militia as existed at the time of the constitution had been formed originally with the purpose of local defense against Indians and enemies of England such as the French and Spanish. These modern militias are more often than not formed expressively to be anti-government.

Even then the concept of a militia was vague and open to interpretation but one thing is for sure a number of revolutionists were not overly-impressed with the performance of the militias in the war. Had we fought the British solely with militia and not an actual standing army, we'd be force to suffer the horrors of having tea and crumpets every afternoon to this very day.

George Washington had this to say on militias in Revolutionary War:

"To place any dependence upon Militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff. If I was called upon to declare upon Oath, whether the Militia have been most serviceable or hurtful upon the whole; I should subscribe to the latter."

We can probably expect the same performance from these modern types but that aside there is nothing in the Constitution that grants them any authority in any way or for their existence for that matter. Militia were for local protection and suppression of rebellions like Shay's Rebellion in the years after the Revolutionary War.

When those of the Founding Fathers who were afraid of a standing army and strong central government were thinking of militia they were thinking of those which were controlled by the States not a privately organized militia for its own purposes which amounts to a private army. This is what these modern-day militias are. Neither side of the original debate which revolve around State vs Federal government back then would have looked on these militias favorably and probably would have called up the militia to disperse them.

In addition militias of the Found Father Era were by law of the time subject to being called up the President himself. So if Obama wanted to, he could enact those old Founding Father Militia Laws and call up these militia folks and have them pull security duty at airports.

Or how scary is this joke about the Mark of the Beast from their website....ooooh, fanatical crazies, them there people are. I'm so scared, lmao, come on people these guys were harmless. I smell a false flag setup, BIG TIME!

The beast's number (humor)

670 - Approximate number of the Beast
DCLXVI - Roman numeral of the Beast
666.0000000 - Number of the High Precision Beast
665.9999954 - Number of the Pentium Beast
0.666 - Number of the Millibeast
/666 - Beast Common Denominator
666 x sq. rt (-1) - Imaginary number of the Beast
1010011010 - Binary of the Beast
1-666 - Area code of the Beast
00666 - Zip code of the Beast
1-900-666-0666 - Live Beasts! Call Now! Only $6.66/minute. (Must be over 18)
$665.95 - Retail price of the Beast
$710.36 - Price of the Beast plus 6.66% state sales tax
$769.95 - Price of the Beast with all accessories and replacement soul
$606.66 - Price of the Beast at Wal-Mart
$566.66 - Price of the Beast at Costco
Phillips 666 - Gasoline of the Beast
Route 666 - Way of the Beast
666 F - Oven temperature for roast Beast
666k - Retirement plan of the Beast
666 mg - Recommended Daily Allowance of Beast
6.66 % - 5 year CD interest rate at First Beast of Hell National Bank ($666 minimum deposit)
6-6-6.xls - Spreadsheet of the Beast
Word 6.66 - Word Processor of the Beast
666i - BMW of the Beast
DSM-666 (revised) - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the Beast
668 - Next-door neighbor of the Beast

This is from the militia's own website. I don't care if you agree with them or if you hate Christians. Do one thing...tell me what is so dangerous about this?

DOCTRINE OF THE HUTAREE

The Doctrine of the Hutaree is based on faith and most of all the testimony of Jesus. Hebrews 11:1, ‘Faith is the substance of things hoped for, The Evidence of things not yet seen.’

Jesus spoke of the ten virgins in Matthew 25: 1-12. The wise ones took enough oil to last the whole night, just in case the bridegroom was late. The foolish ones took not enough oil to last the whole night and figured that the bridegroom would arrive earlier than he did.

These bridegrooms represent the Christian church of today. The oil, just as Jesus explained, represented faith. If you read the story right, you find out that the people with enough faith to last as long as it might take are the wise ones. They know and believe in the testimony of Christ, even through the darkest and most doubtful of times. This day is soon.

The foolish ones are the ones who expect Christ to arrive too soon. They have brought for themselves only enough oil to last for a short time, having not enough faith to last through the darkest hours. When the time comes for those without enough faith, they will fall to the Anti-Christ’s doctrine. And it will make perfect sense to the whole world; even the elect.

We all as Christians should stand firm in Christ and believe in him until our uttermost end. The testimony must by no means pass away and we must spread the word believing in Christ’s words, even during the end times.

Now when that hour Christ arrives the foolish ones would have already left their waiting mark, their place in Christ. Then when he comes over, trumpets blowing, and clouds flowing, the wise ones will come to him in the clouds and into heaven. The foolish will then remember what they were ‘supposed to do’ and cry out loud to God and knock on heaven’s door. But read and you’ll find that it says that when the door is shut no one enters afterwards. They will knock and he will say, “Away with you, for I know you not.

I Peter 5:11, ‘And this is the Testimony, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.’

Believe in this word and spread it to all you can. Stand, stay and pray for the defense of the word. For we live by faith and cannot see nor understand what we believe, entirely, but nevertheless the reward is worth it in the end.

ETERNAL LIFE IS IN JESUS, AMEN.

Or this joke about the Mark of the Beast...ooooh, scary stuff here, lmao.

The beast's number (humor)

670 - Approximate number of the Beast
DCLXVI - Roman numeral of the Beast
666.0000000 - Number of the High Precision Beast
665.9999954 - Number of the Pentium Beast
0.666 - Number of the Millibeast
/666 - Beast Common Denominator
666 x sq. rt (-1) - Imaginary number of the Beast
1010011010 - Binary of the Beast
1-666 - Area code of the Beast
00666 - Zip code of the Beast
1-900-666-0666 - Live Beasts! Call Now! Only $6.66/minute. (Must be over 18)
$665.95 - Retail price of the Beast
$710.36 - Price of the Beast plus 6.66% state sales tax
$769.95 - Price of the Beast with all accessories and replacement soul
$606.66 - Price of the Beast at Wal-Mart
$566.66 - Price of the Beast at Costco
Phillips 666 - Gasoline of the Beast
Route 666 - Way of the Beast
666 F - Oven temperature for roast Beast
666k - Retirement plan of the Beast
666 mg - Recommended Daily Allowance of Beast
6.66 % - 5 year CD interest rate at First Beast of Hell National Bank ($666 minimum deposit)
6-6-6.xls - Spreadsheet of the Beast
Word 6.66 - Word Processor of the Beast
666i - BMW of the Beast
DSM-666 (revised) - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the Beast
668 - Next-door neighbor of the Beast

Terrorist is the new communist. Just as McCarthyism is remembered as a black mark on our history so will this century's wars on terror. I am really tired of people being labeled as terrorists when they are really extremists. We have always had nut jobs in this world, the label that we attach to them just changes.

The second amendment works both ways. These fruity "minutemen" get to play soldier, and I get to defend myself and my family from them and all their violent mummery.

Also, if you're planning on overthrowing the government, don't act surprised when they arrest you. You may be actually overthrowing a tyrannical government, but if you're actually doing that, they're probably going to fight back.
The constitution does provide an avenue for the people to keep the government in check with force, but the catch is: that option leads to bloodshed. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Arrest them, I don't care if they even had a map of Disneyland, it was some sort of plot, hahahhaa.

They were actually plotting to kill specific police officers and their family members. So yes, there was a plot and these militia members were not just innocent Christians running around the woods for Jesus out of love and preaching forgiveness.

These guys are terrorist living in trailers.

GO O O O OD. IT'S TIME. I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THIS RETURN TO VIOLENCE --much like in the days of CIVIL RIGHTs. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Were threats made? If so, that's illegal. End of story. Doesnt matter who you are, where you live, what your politics are, if you threaten someone, you've broken the law.

Thank you Monkey_Films for having the only accurate title to this story on Current. After seeing a couple of "propaganda" articles on the subject, I remember why I don't care to stay long.

time to deprogram.

the oath keepers are another extremist organization that has openly admitted to be willing shooting fellow citizens "when the time comes" to fight against the "tyrannical" obama
they disgust me in every way and i hope they are triggered by these arrests so that our armed forces shut them down and the likes really all these terrorists by a diferent name

To everyone still ignorant about the subject. 9/11 was an inside job. This has now been proven, the documents and information are out there, they're just not playing on CNN and MSNBC. Brains, people, brains, give them a workout for me, please.

“The church has never made advances by physical warfare and every time it has tried, the cause of Christ has been severely harmed. There are no holy wars. Every war fought in the name of Christ has been utterly unholy, contradicting and undermining everything His Word teaches.” John MacArthur

Mathew 26: V51-52

“And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. "

Monkey_Films, at least you named yourself right.

Monkey_Films,
You claim there were "black helicopters with Timothy McVeigh on the Oklahoma bombing; 9-11 was a CIA conspiracy, AND that the Anne Frank family like "lots of Germans" somehow secretly changed their name after WWII.
WOW!
I can see you're right on one point however; we don't really need to be having any mutual conversations in the future.
Good luck with all those conspiracies. I'm sure you'll do fine.
I've always maintained that a paranoid schizophrenic is never truly alone, not matter how isolated.

What is the allure of a militia?

Outside of a militia (or the Crips, or the Bloods, or Al-Qaeda!) you're just a lowly person of no importance and no power.

But once you join a militia (or the Crips, or the Bloods or Al-Qaeda) and you have a GUN and a UNIFORM and a EPIC MYTHOLOGY -- then you're a super hero.

The irony of all of this is that these men are succumbing to the exact same psychology that motivates anyone who joins a gang. They want to feel special. They want to feel powerful. Once you join an anti-government Christian militia you're no longer some twice-divorced loser working at Burger King....you're a super patriot engaged in an epic battle between good and evil and the fate of the world rests in your godly hands!

As the economic crisis drags on we're going to see more and more under-employed men who feel powerless in their daily lives joining these groups, I fear.

It's the same reason broke, aimless, and disillusioned young men join Al-Qaeda.

I mean, ever notice how ultra-successful millionaires with super model wives never become suicide bombers, gang members or join Christian militias?

The same uptick in militas occured during the last economic downturn.

Extremism is a poor man's disease.

to me, this should be treated no differently than a muslim group collecting weapons and stockpiling arms. this group is essentially al queda only swap out muhammed with jesus.

Aliens, that is all.

So, let me get this right... Militias Bad; lying politicians and Murderous Industrial complex GOOD? Wow, how did this happen? oh yeah, TV.

Now for some Sound logic: We do have the right to bare and keep arms. We have the right to organize CITIZEN militia's. But When religious zealots create a militia in preparation for an event that has NO DATE!, it's obvious either they're paranoid, or lying. It's a form of RELIGIOUS EXTREMEISM. When we leave religion out of it, say if I wanted to form a militia for Greenville, SC - With the appropriate authority from the local goverment, we should be able to do that...no contest.

What if these people were islamic instead of Christian? -Would you be so cavalier to defend them?
There's FAIR AND BALANCED thinking for you. Fair -and- balanced!

Monkey_Films,
Philosophers say there multiple realities. I expect you developed yours around the time when you were "arrested 26 times over 15 years by the local police" as you earlier reported about yourself.
Was it later that you started claiming Timothy McVeigh, rather than being a right-wing anti-government fanatic, was actually a CIA sent to discredit the right-wing by blowing up a government building full of men women and children? I expect if Tim McVeigh were around today he'd be itching to pay a call on you for defaming him so.
And yes, as anyone can Google, Anne Frank's name is Annelies Marie "Anne" Frank. (Not Franke ) Your claim that her family had an earlier spelling variation isn't found and frankly, doesn't cut must water in any regard to the how her heirs and the world know her.
I suspect that, this could be like the incident where you magically converted the semi-literate McCain supporter who pretended to have her self attacked during the campaign in your mind to an Obama supporter.
Fun's fun, but it would be better for all of us if you'd confine your risible paranoid ramblings to annoying the poor townsfolk and constabulary of Lexington, Kentucky.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/03/29/2244947.aspx
From NBC's Pete Williams
Federal prosecutors say members of a Michigan-based militia planned to kill a local policeman -- and then attack the law enforcement officers who gathered in Michigan for the funeral.

According to court documents, the plan was to attack law enforcement vehicles during a funeral procession with homemade bombs.

Prosecutors say one of the militia members downloaded information about how to build the devices from the Internet and emailed diagrams of them to someone he believed was capable of making them. The militia member directed his son and others to begin gathering the materials requires to make them.

Justice Department officials say that nine people -- six from Michigan, two from Ohio, and one from Indiana -- have been charged in what they say was this plot to attack local police.

It's clear that the FBI has had this group under close watch for months, and had the capacity to shut it down whenever investigators believed it was planning to go operational, which is just what happened over the weekend.

the right of the american people is to stand up against the government when they believe they are failing. we've had that right taken from us. this should be a little moment of clarity for you all.

if these dingle berries arrested didn't have the proper paperwork for their guns, they're retarded, fine, they broke the law. i'll reserve judgement until the story unfolds with more details.

and i'd be interested in seeing what threats were made, as i've read 3 articles on this story and 2 of them say the group mainly practices shooting and survivalist techniques alongside the SMVM (souther michigan volunteer militia)

And so this is where it leads, if you stop having faith in democracy. We proved that the system isn't designed for everyone to vote, when we do demand democracy some lunatic with a gun decides that he doesn't like the results or that he can't believe that he is a minority.....

What do you do when the other side won't accept democracy...

If the FBI is rounding them up, they have evidence they were planning something. If the FBI didn't round them up and they did something like, blow up a federal building, the GOP and the talking heads would be all over Obama for not taking any action. See how this works?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Is it an unchangeable truism that a Militia is necessary to the security of a free state? In other words, are minute-men still needed in downtown Philly? Don't we have the best equipped all volunteer military available to provide our security? Dont forget about local national guard units if you want your state rights and militia fix. It is the duty of any executive officer (including the non-commisioned ones) to disregard/resist unlawful orders posed by superior officers.

These arent killing machines set out against our own people, they're FBI agents NECESSARILY SECURING the state by taking weapons from fringe radicals.
I dont think these crazies are what the framers meant when they referred to the "people" whose right it is to keep and bear arms. It's an organization whose members have minced their allegiance to the free state in order to pursue harmful ends against it. I dont think anyone should be defending these guys.

LOL!
They're a stupid militant Christian terrorist cell. Apparently not even the OTHER militia groups in the region like them very much. The idiots were probably dealing in drugs or making chemical weapons, you can never tell with borderline groups like that. It's a mixture of organised crime and terrorism.

well to bad you did not do anything when bush passed the patriot act allowed corporations to walk all over the American people and Bald face lied to get involved in wars. well now its our turn you don't like the country get the fuck out or convince a majority of people to vote for your ideas to be accomplished. other wise fuck off with your "The Sky is FALLING!!!! BS!

After reading through the comments here I think J-Jammer resurrected himself as Monkey_Films...and there should be a sign saying don't overfeed the trolls it just gives them a sugar high.

And what did you mean by this "It seems that maybe the founders were right."???

Uhhhhh???? They were fighting for independence from the tyrannical king of Britain. They didn't like monarchy so they created a government for the people by the people. MAYBE the founders were right? I would say YES the FOUNDERS WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, CUS MONARCHY IS BULLSHIT!

So long live the Wonderful American Government that is FOR THE PEOPLE voted BY THE PEOPLE, JUST AS THE FOUNDERS INTENDED.

See what I did there? Because you were trying to infer the Founders hated the American government WHICH THEY CREATED. hahahah which is fucking retarded to even postulate.

These people are so stupid... I bet they think that they have a Constitutional right to their militias, but a militia is NOT a group of crazies wanting to overthrow the USA. Instead, a militia is:

"...commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency."

Silly radicals.

Lone wolf provision in the patriot act.

"Citizen militias are a requirement of the Constitution to protect the populace from a tyrannical government."

Dear Dipshit, the Constitution does NOT 'require' militias, nor does it wholeheartedly legalize terrorist groups, aka these guys planning an 'attack' against the 'tyrannical government' as you put it. NOR does the Constitution EVER say anything about protecting people from a tyrannical government. Just because you inferred that doesn't mean jack shit.

It says and I quote "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Where in that does it say "to protect it's people from a tyrannical government"? Where in that does it say stockpiling weapons for an attack AGAINST the state is legal? I believe it said to 'protect the state' did it not? Just because you think it say "protect the state from itself" doesn't mean that's what it said or what it's writers were inferring. TJ maybe but he was buckshit crazy...

And it says 'necessary', not 'required'. Nor does it clarify the difference between a private militia or a government one. Meaning the Homeland Security agents arresting them are in fact a 'security & protectorate of the state' militia mentioned above.

In the future don't try to make up parts of the Constitution you WANT to be in the Constitution.

at least "they" arnt trying to hide it anymore. just sit back and take it like good little robot. i guess the price of guns and ammo just went up again. BEST INVESTMENT EVER.

Monkey Films,
If you are going to claim that you channel Ann Frank or her behavior, (and you most certainly don't) at least you could spell her name right, moron.

this was bound to happen look at all the violent talk going
on these people need to be reined in.and its all over a health care plan.
where were these idiots when our congress and senate were moving all are jobs overseas.and george starting wars all over the world.the goverment
is no longer a friend of the people but hasnt been for 20 years!