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New research suggests sexual objectification hinders some women’s cognitive ability.

April 10, 2010 |


Guys, here’s something to consider the next time you ogle an attractive woman: Your desirous gaze may be reducing her capacity to think.

That’s the startling implication of a research paper titled “My Body or My Mind,” recently published in the European Journal of Social Psychology. It suggests some women who are objectified by men internalize this perception and think of themselves as “a sexual object to be scrutinized.” For reasons that are not entirely clear, this process appears to undermine their cognitive ability.

Psychologists Robin Gay and Emanuele Castano of the New School for Social Research tested this thesis with a clever experiment that mimics and magnifies what many women experience in everyday life. The study participants — 25 women ages 18 to 35 — were told they were recruited to provide information on “the impressions people form about others solely based on their carriage and style of dress.”

Each was videotaped for two minutes — first from the front, then from behind — while they walked up and down a hall. To capture the experience of having their bodies evaluated while their faces (which presumably provide a better reflection of their individual personalities) were ignored, they were filmed exclusively from the neck down.

For half the participants, the person doing the filming was male; for the other half, the camera was held by a woman. “Although there is no doubt that women tend to objectify other women, the sexually objectifying gaze is more likely to come from a man,” the researchers write.

After the filming, each woman watched her video, reinforcing the experience in her mind. She then filled out questionnaires measuring her levels of Trait Self-Objectification (her overall propensity to view herself through the lens of others) and State Self-Objectification (her tendency to view herself through the lens of others when triggered by a specific event, such as being stared at).

To test their cognitive skills, the women were shown a series of random letters or numbers and instructed to reorder them (putting them in alphabetical order for the letters, in ascending order for the numbers). They completed 21 such tasks, which were presented in increasing order of difficulty.

The results: When women with a tendency toward viewing themselves through the lens of others were placed in a situation where they were objectified (that is, they were videotaped by a man), they made a greater number of mistakes on the cognitive test. They did just as well as other women on the easy initial tasks, but had trouble when the difficulty level went up.

After a follow-up study found anxiety and self-esteem levels were not a factor, the researchers concluded their cognitive difficulties “might be due to a split in perspective regarding the self.” (This notion was first described in a 1997 paper by Barbara Fredrickson and Tomi-Ann Roberts.)

A woman in this situation simultaneously sees herself as a unique individual and a generic sexual being. Dividing the psyche in this uncomfortable way “is likely to increase cognitive load, with a resulting decrease in the availability of cognitive resources for the tasks the individual engages in,” Gay and Castano write.

They suggest further research would be valuable to discover why some women are prone to self-objectification, while others seem protected against it. Gay and Castano’s data suggest about 20 percent of women have a strong propensity toward self-objectification and are thus particularly susceptible to triggers, such as being stared at.

The researchers propose a campaign of awareness and education regarding this phenomenon, which could help women “begin to gain control over, or at least buffer themselves against” its negative cognitive impact. They conclude “it stands to reason that the cumulative effects of objectification on the female body over a lifetime may severely disrupt cognitive processes,” at least among this sizable slice of the population.

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185 comments // New Discoveries Suggest That Sexual Objectification Is More Damaging to Women Than You Might Think | | AlterNet

  • feefer2010
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      feefer2010  

    • you know this "discovery" was made by feminist (who all annoy me by the way). Look men stare at attractive women and vise versa. Thats the way it is, has been and will be.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
    • 0
      remanns  

    • Fucking,..and killing,...and coveting,...and cheating,...( and revenging;getting even)
      --for so long as the race lasts.--

    • 2 years ago
  • eden49
  • remanns
  • eden49
  • remanns
  • EmperorThan
    • +1
      EmperorThan  

    • This sounds very much like a built in evolutionary instinct, not something we can EVER change EVER.... EVER.

      Hold on wait for it ....EVER!

    • 2 years ago
  • EmperorThan
  • remanns
    • 0
      remanns  
    • EmperorThan:

      "Almighty god,......when will the reign of blood cease"? Turlough shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts".
      Robert E. Howard-
      such is our lot. such is sex
      (sex is the same)

    • 2 years ago
  • YouandIfilms
    • +1
      YouandIfilms  

    • Over 30 pyjama clad activists descended upon Tescos on Picadilly, London on Friday the 26th of March 2010 to campaign against lads' mags being openly displayed within their stores.

      Tescos have recently banned shoppers from shopping in there pyjamas and put up a notice "To avoid causing offence or embarrassment to others we ask that our customers are appropriately dressed when visiting our store (footwear must be worn at all times and no nightwear is permitted)."

      Tescos says - "We do, however, request that customers do not shop in their PJs or nightgowns. "This is to avoid causing offence or embarrassment to others."

      However Tesco openly promotes the sale and display of Lads magazines such as Zoo, Nuts, FHM and the Sun openly and within view and reach of young children and so in protest Object wrote slogans on paper bags saying things like 'This magazine is sexist, don't buy it', 'Women are human too', 'This magazine promotes violence against women' and took it in turn to place every sexist magazine and newspaper in a bag and covered the entire lads' mags displays objecting to the sexist portrayal of women as objects.

      OBJECT has been campaigning on the issue of sexism, lads' mags and newspapers since 2003.
      http://www.object.org.uk/

    • 2 years ago
  • diode
  • remanns
  • eden49
  • Incredulous
  • LinXitoW
    • +2
      LinXitoW  

    • yeah, cause a man with a boner is so very intelligent. Give a guy a suggestive glance at the right time and he'll walk straight into heavy traffic.

    • 2 years ago
  • flyingkick
  • crispyfritters
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      crispyfritters  
    • flyingkick:

      Yeah, that's another thing. How does pointing multiple cameras at someone's body, and telling them to walk around equate to regular human interaction? It's just not very well thought out at all.

    • 2 years ago
  • InformedTexan
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      InformedTexan  

    • http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7125417758161493977

      Sut Jhally has done some really good research on this. When those who control representations of women in media, especially in music videos, are those who merely present sexually objectified imagery, it instills ideals that women are only to serve the male gaze and to act as commodities of wealth. Although this sounds extreme, when there exists a greatly biased number and significance of female representations that portray only sexually it oversimplifies and circumscribes ideals of women into very limited terms.

      There are a lot of silly assumptions flying around on this discussion about women simply being sexy or dressing sexily, but when did it become simply commonplace that women's bodies are fully within the domain of men's gaze? Attractiveness isn't always two-way - a woman isn't just objectively 'sexy', she has to be made so by viewers calling her only that and only considering her in terms of their own desires.

    • 2 years ago
  • biomechanical923
    • +1
      biomechanical923  
    • InformedTexan:

      I disagree with the notion that women are only socially compelled to be pleasing to men. There are definite biological factors at play here that need to be addressed. Most female animals, including humans, have the power to choose their mate. The males must compete to prove their fitness (biggest horns, brightest feathers, strongest, etc) in order to win the chance to mate. This is called Selective Mating, or Non-Random Mating, and it means that in most societies, the women get to choose who's DNA is worthy to be passed on. More attractive women get to choose from a larger pool of suitors, and they get to be more choosy. Theoretically, if given a large pool of potential mates, a woman will choose one that has relatively more money, more power, or better looks. So when a man gets an attractive woman, its not because he "owns" her (though he may think he does), but it's because he's confirming and reinforcing his own money, power, or looks, and using the fact that a woman chose him over other men as evidence of his superiority over other men.

    • 2 years ago
  • eden49
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      eden49  
    • biomechanical923:

      ..."Theoretically, if given a large pool of potential mates, a woman will choose one that has relatively more money, more power, or better looks."

      ...are you a woman...just a question?...

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
    • +1
      remanns  
    • biomechanical923:

      Spot on. SAD,...but true. Women choose for "hierarchic status",...or at least the perceived POTENTIAL for it. I finally and painfully renounced my romanticism, and came to accept that "coupling up" for women amounts to a "political"maneuver". Thats the point where I lost interest in the "play" as it were. Romeo was a sucker.

    • 2 years ago
  • InformedTexan
    • +1
      InformedTexan  
    • biomechanical923:

      Biological determinism is not always the best way to describe human behavior. Humans aren't only subject to general animal behavior because our socialization dynamics tend to be thoroughly more complicated than typical animal dynamics. Here we are talking about human choices, conscious human choices. Referring to stock predispositions due to present chromosomal patterns at birth does not well confirm the behavioral patterns of "men" or "women". Expectations of mating are not the huge driving force behind human sexuality, otherwise there would only be completely and only heterosexual people in the world. Women are attracted to whomever because of mating potential (necessarily) - they gain a lay of the land over time and through the experience and information handed down from families, communities, religion, and all sorts of other instructive arenas of how life is 'supposed to be lived.'

      I think referring to sociological knowledge of human behavior doesn't much warrant the need to discuss pools of potential mates or mating behavior, it simplifies the much more complicated social interactions of humans. Money, power, and looks are not universal signs of distinction, perhaps ones especially focused on in our society. However, attraction is not often something understood in ideal terms - context refers heavily to why people are attracted to another. Your discussion of masculinity is not reflective of all human behavior but rather of the norms we know in our own societal context. Life is not made up of men attempting to be more superior than others or women seeking the best man. People have much more varied behavior than these simplified terms.

      Masculinity, just like each of the genders, is a cultural construct, and not even a monolithic one. So, your analysis is still only relevant to a small context and not one that appeals to universal reality.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
    • +2
      cztheday  
    • biomechanical923:

      While I don't doubt the attractiveness of money, power or male beauty, I know many great women who put up with guys who are shiftless (and often abusive) couch critters (is it just my imagination or has this phenomenon grown significantly over the past 20 years?). Love is blind...

    • 2 years ago
  • biomechanical923
  • biomechanical923
    • +1
      biomechanical923  
    • InformedTexan:

      Science from a sociological perspective does not claim to predict the behavior of all individuals. However, it can predict aggregate behavior. The fact that mating (and dating) is non-random, means that people have criteria and standards. The fact that difference cultures have different criteria is evidence that it is learned behavior to some extent. The fact that many cultures have similar criteria is evidence that it is biological to some extent. See: "The Science of Sex"

    • 2 years ago
  • eden49
    • +1
      eden49  
    • biomechanical923:

      ...nothing to do with wealth or looks...hard to define, just a feeling...lol...I'm a hopeless romantic...sorry, not much of an explanation there, but attraction to me isn't a science...

    • 2 years ago
  • biomechanical923
  • eden49
  • biomechanical923
  • eden49
  • biomechanical923
  • eden49
  • biomechanical923
  • eden49
    • +1
      eden49  
    • biomechanical923:

      yes, I'm wrong..."A deductive fallacy, or logical fallacy, is defined as a deductive argument that is invalid. The argument itself could have true premises, but still have a false conclusion. Thus, a deductive fallacy is a fallacy where deduction goes wrong, and is no longer a logical process"....PS...congratulations...lol...I'm a lover, not a fighter...namaste...

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  
    • InformedTexan:

      It's kinda funny that you said that if marriage was the motivating factor behind mating (rather then the act) then there would only be heterosexual marriages after you mention socialization dynamics because some societies recognize five genders. Here in the US, gay marriage is still mostly illegal so any study from here counts less.
      Also here in the US, as recently as the 60's, any girl who did not want to grow up to be a housewife was called socially deviant and were diagnosed as mentally ill. Women only recently picked up the idea of having a career so, financially, it still makes sense to hunt down a mate that can keep you "safe". Whether it is relevant or not depends on your perspective/perceived expectations.. Everyone's got one and the terms are hardly simple. Take that book John Gray wrote "Men are From Mars, Women are from Venus" when he goes on and on about how simple men's needs are, then devotes a over half of it telling women how to take care of them...
      It's helps to keep your definition of reality pretty loose so shit doesn't surprise you.

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • remanns
    • +1
      remanns  
    • Almibry:

      not "wrong",...just uninspiring,...deeply, completely,...uninspiring,...on all levels,...(ALL of the forms you cite). It would be "right" to throw in merger,...into this broad category of " the somehow,...empty and anemic". Relationships should be a berserkers' passionate religion,... unique to the participants; shield "persons" of shared will to fight and love all things, together,... as best can,... as one.

      So there. (not saying "they are",.......but they should be.)

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • CaptB
    • +2
      CaptB  

    • Someone mentioned that if a women dresses sexy he can't help but look at her. I will have to state that when a man is desperate that can mean sweat pants and a sweatshirt. Levis and flip flops. She just does her hair in a certain way with makeup and she can be dressed in one of those Sumo-wrestling costumes and it is ON!!! hahaha.

    • 2 years ago
  • diode
  • ozoneocean
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      ozoneocean  

    • Was the study done on males as well? What about homosexual men and women? What about people of vastly different ages? This whole thing sounds amazingly fatuous.

    • 2 years ago
  • lkf07
  • InformedTexan
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      InformedTexan  
    • lkf07:

      Way to submit to institutional patriarchy! Yeah, men's gaze is not always a for-your-benefit sort of thing. It confines the expectation of you to be merely a sexual object, and guess what, nothing else! What's more important to you that boy liking you or having the same pay as him when end up in the same occupation?

      I'm not saying it's bad to enjoy sexuality, but it doesn't dismiss all sorts of other gender inequality.

    • 2 years ago
  • LinXitoW
  • InformedTexan
    • +2
      InformedTexan  
    • LinXitoW:

      Objectification happens both ways indeed. However, the effect of men objectifying women is much greater than the reverse. Men hold institutionally powerful positions and control most media portrayal. Objectification of women has more thoroughly saturated our culture and its implications are much more pervasive than any effort of women to do the same.

      Objectification isn't necessarily bad. It's only when such a view is the only or at least majorly visible one that it's destructive for ideal representations of women. Gender inequality does not in fact go both ways. Women still are paid less than men, they are still the most affected by spousal rape and domestic abuse, as well as the fact that sexism still exists in innumerable venues from churches to the news. Gender inequality is not 'both ways' because women don't hold the power to marginalize men the way men can do to women. I'm not saying all men are sexist or misogynistic - what I am saying is that they have a greater agency to be so whereas women don't and thus cannot be so equally able to affect the social standing of their own positions or those of other men for that matter.

    • 2 years ago
  • chinese_democracy
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      chinese_democracy  

    • If there are any women reading this please help me to understand. Every once in awhile I will get a glance or a seductive smile from the opposite gender. But when it happens I feel really good about myself and it's uplifting for me, which usually leads to a more proactive day. Why is this the opposite for women? Don't you feel good when you know you're desirable?

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • chinese_democracy
    • 0
      chinese_democracy  
    • artemis6:

      Men don't stare at women with their mouths wide open drooling on themselves. Even if that was the case, having that power over the opposite sex seems like a benefit to me. Yes, it would be annoying if it happened on a daily basis but this is the real world. It seems really clichéd to believe that beautiful women are constantly being cat called and oggled unless they are dressed inappropriately.

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
    • +1
      Almibry  
    • chinese_democracy:

      When I was living in Orlando, it didn't matter what I was wearing, (unless I was wearing a hoodie, and if you don't know what a hoodie looks like, it's hard to tell the gender of the wearer) I was constantly honked at, received "cat-calls", and I was made way too many offers of money for sex... On a short walk.
      Not to mention stalking.

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • chinese_democracy
    • 0
      chinese_democracy  
    • Almibry:

      If that is true then how does that make you feel? It's hard for me to understand how that is a bad thing because when I imagine myself in your shoes it seems like it would be amusing/alluring.

      I'm starting to think it's more about an irrational fear of sex. If man were to compliment a part of your body less associated with sex would the level of offense be the same? For example: "Hey nice smile!" or "Hey nice ass!" These two compliments mean the same thing basically since neither say anything about your personality or achievements directly.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • artemis6
  • chinese_democracy
  • Almibry
    • +1
      Almibry  
    • chinese_democracy:

      As for whether it's amusing or alluring, that's not likely, most of the time it pisses me off (especially coming from strangers) but if I'm in a state of mind that allows me to trick myself, I will pretend it's a complement (but for the most part, I'm just too bitchy). I don't have an irrational fear of sex (maybe sexual assault, but that's not irrational), have you read any of my comments? Sex is AWESOME, I would love to have more. As for complements on my looks, I don't appreciate them. I used to be fat and unattractive and I resent the difference in treatment (if I had a higher pain tolerance, I'd give myself a Joker face), though I'm not impervious to complements, it's the original ones that do it for me like "You have very nice teeth" or "Your feet have character" and if it is concerning how pretty I am, it's gotta be pretty outlandish as well, like "You deserve a monument"... Even then, I don't trust most compliments, even if they do make an impression.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
    • +1
      remanns  
    • Almibry:

      How bout this---
      " This is YOUR YAK"! ( --thump--falls to your toes ) "I have slain it in your name,...in honour of your beauty ! It is a poor gift, as its hide of snow pales before your own glow! See, I cut myself with my knife of family bone, to do life-blood penance for the poorness of my gift,...even as I draw away,...to admire you from afar". -----------'TARZAN' like yell of animal passion and longing follows some time later,... barely heard,...from a far distant snow swept cliff.

      ?

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • Almibry
    • 0
      Almibry  
    • remanns:

      Most excellent... I thought you would never get out of range of my whip. *swish swish*
      ROFLMAO, when I first read this in my e-mail, I thought it was a response to "You call it WHAT?" *giggle* "This is YOUR YAK" (--thump--falls to your toes)... You kill me.
      +^'d

    • 2 years ago
  • LordLicious
    • +1
      LordLicious  

    • Actually, it seems that women are the sole responsible for reducing men capacity to think.

      It is so typical in some woemn today to try to blame men for their failures...

      Women, deal with the fact that true men, instituted with the desire for women WILL look at women, as lesbians look at women too!

      Who writes those articles?.

    • 2 years ago
  • Kurta
  • Rockfanatic1016
  • artemis6
  • fatmonkey85
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  

    • this reminds of my anthropology classes I had in school. A student raised the question why men in tribal villages weren't aroused by always being around naked women. My professor pointed out that people in those tribes clearly never went through "social conditioning" as more modern societies did. This came from numerous things but primarily our deep flirtation with organized religion. The men see naked women all the time, since birth and the women are not embarrassed by nudity they just exist as they do in nature so I doubt gawking would affect the women much. The thing to keep in mind everything we do, the way we walk, talk, our language, communicate, wear attire, and values has to do with our social conditioning rather than nature if at all.

      It should be pointed out that a women in modern society are taught to become "feminine" by the standards of our society. This varies upon societies in which they live in but in sub cultures around the world we see clear cultural differences a french, german, japanese, and Iranian girl all posses a distinctive shaping which reflects stereotypes of their look as well as behavior. If you see families who have daughters for example we try to condition them into woman hood, and even our reaction to their behavior also shapes them to fit our social view of women. Giving your girls barbies, dresses, and tea party play sets is our attempt to condition women into our image of women. I can tell you most girl babies don't give a damn about anything of those things and usually its the parents in accordance with the culture who create the "lady".

      Gender roles are interesting to talk about, however there is no natural role for women or men. Its an utter misnomer as evidence clearly shows pre neolithic women (ie hunter gathers) hunted big animals just as men did, and this wasn't an accident it made sure people ate. Think about it, killing a mammoth with just the men in your village would be easier if you brought the girls to hunt with you. We've seen paintings of just a bunch of hairy men with spears but in reality their would've been women who did the same, again the portrait reflects the painters views based upon social conditioning. In fact these societies by sheer conditioning were truly egalitarian compared to what most societies have today. Our attempts to say challenge the research even comes from our conditioning as members of society to fit our world view, most of which isn't a natural view anyway.

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • boywhocould
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      boywhocould  

    • kind of sounds like another set of excuses for externalizing our failures, this study is merely sapping grant money from I feel more worthy tasks,
      Posit for a moment. . .
      that if this study finds a true link with miss-performance based on social dynamics (which arguably serve alternative pair-bonding purposes not included)

      would it even matter. would sex NOT be used to sell, would we not coddle elevate our females more then males through "first words" to the grave. . . I think not!
      face it as long as we perceive our society as a "paternal-centric" society, women will be viewed as something to "acquire"

      :addendum: (Attractive) women will be viewed as something to "acquire".

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
    • 0
      Monkey_Films  

    • My grandfather told me that women's feet were smaller so they could stand closer to the stove. I always wondered if women with large feet were poor cooks.

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • ozoneocean
  • Almibry
  • eden49
  • Kurta
    • +5
      Kurta  

    • In all fairness, what about the male's cognition? It's indirectly affected every time we lose our train of thought when a hot woman walks by. I know I'm not the only one who's almost wrecked a vehicle.

    • 2 years ago
  • RojoGatto
  • cztheday
    • +1
      cztheday  

    • I think that as boys and girls mature into men and women they generally become more alike in terms of what they find attractive in members of the opposite sex. We all seek the company of those who are confident, intelligent, charming, compassionate and funny. Looks continue to be one factor among many in attraction of course, but those who consider it to be far and away the MOST important factor have either not yet reached adulthood or are among that unfortunate group (we all have childhood friends in this category) who never will... The trick is, of course, to not allow the opinions of the childish to govern our sense of self-worth.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • cztheday:

      Hmmm, Not sure I agree with that. I think that "past a certain age",...folks become more particular and individualistic " in their tastes for companionship. Those who have already scored a "win" of sorts,...hold on to what they have,...and,..if of good mental health, refine it and make it work BETTER. BUT,....for those"Newly again",...or "ever as always" at play,
      in many ways I would say "the kid gloves come off".

    • 2 years ago
  • bking74
    • 0
      bking74  
    • cztheday:

      I just look for the hottest, drunk girl who just has that vacant, vapid, tramp look in her eye.. modern love is so beautiful. I can experience a whole life time of love, lust and lost in a boozy weekend furlough.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • UtopianSky
    • +1
      UtopianSky  
    • cztheday:

      Even with superficial looks, both genders look for pretty much the same things, on average.

      Healthy, clear skin, eyes and hair.
      Trim, healthy physique, perhaps with a little extra in the chest and butt.
      Symmetry. That's the major physical indicator of sexual attractiveness: the left and right sides of the face must match.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
    • 0
      cztheday  
    • artemis6:

      Yeah, artemis, it should probably be called uncommon sense. I am not sure why, but I am embarrassed to admit that I was unaware that you were a woman. I have such great respect for your intellect and opinions (and you have such a great sense of humor that I find myself taking notes) that I must say you fit the parameters of my comment to a T.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
    • 0
      artemis6  
    • cztheday:

      I have admired and missed your comments - so glad you are back ! The cool thing about being an artist , is that you can dress like a man , to give yourself a break , and no one bats an eyelash . I are all girl ( as in , straight ) , but I do like options in how I relate to the world !

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • artemis6:

      Thanks...nice to BE back. While I stand by my opinion that character and personality are at least as important as looks in a relationship between mature people, I must admit that there IS something incredibly sexy to me about a woman wearing a man's dress shirt (especially if it is mine). I can't seem to make it work in the other direction, however. Some men are so pretty that you could make them up and put them in women's clothes, and they would STILL be beautiful. Unfortunately, I am not anywhere close to being in that group...

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
  • artemis6
  • eden49
  • eden49
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • CaptB:

      ...except that I have yet to meet someone who is more attractive drunk than sober, nor would I be interested in a woman who has to be drunk to find me attractive...sooner or later she is going to sober up....

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • eden49:

      Helllloooo Eden! Love your new icon (Twiggy?). Yeah, I get older and she stays the same (i.e., out of my league). But she has not yet kicked me to the curb, and I try to keep her away from the optometrist's office...

    • 2 years ago
  • eden49
  • eden49
    • +1
      eden49  
    • cztheday:

      ...I think women look incredibly sexy in a tux, minus the shirt...but for me, I love a man with sensitivity, and a wonderful mind...those two things for moi, are foremost...looks don't get a look-in...(but you have both, but I'm bias)...lol...

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • cztheday:

      Not that I promote drinking, but alcohol in copious amounts will reduce inhibitions in men and women. They may even do things that they would have not otherwise done while sober. Hence the term coyote ugly (which was a movie too).

      It is a humorous term to say beer goggles, because people that you would have not otherwise spoken to or danced on the table, etc.

      Which, if I may add, the photos they took required me to pay $40 to have them deleted, hahahaha.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • dalistuff
  • slarabee
  • fun_size
  • UtopianSky
  • dariusvons
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      dariusvons  

    • I’m getting really sick of this anti-sexuality feminist tripe. Women are as built for sex just as men are. Stop trying to divide sexuality out the human experience. Face it, humans are only partially rational, but yes, being aware of our basal primitive instinctual programming is a necessity, but trying to isolate and segregate sexual thoughts and urges for your coed egalitarian utopia does nothing to help the human struggle. Women are women, men are men. Sorry, but that’s how it is. And until there is only one sex, there will always be sexual thoughts… and even then who knows?

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • dariusvons:

      Honestly , I am pro healthy sexuality , it is a wonderful thing . When it is imposed on a person , not so much . You do understand the difference ? I think more studies need to be done , with men as the focus . Understanding this more will help everyone .

    • 2 years ago
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