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Rep. Alan Grayson Introduces the "War Is Making You Poor" Act | | AlterNet

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The bill would cut the DoD's budget and use that money to make the first $35,000 each American earns tax-free.
May 23, 2010 |


Last week, as Congress prepared to pass yet another “emergency” spending bill to cover America’s costly operations in Iraq and Afghanistan -- to the tune of $159 billion this time around -- Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Florida, introduced a bill that would force the Pentagon to pick up the tab out of its ample regular budget.

The War Is Making You Poor Act is elegant in its simplicity. Instead of financing these longstanding conflicts outside of the regular budgeting process, where they’re not factored into deficit projections, Grayson’s bill would make the DoD work within its means, and the money would instead be used for an across-the-board tax cut that would make the first $35,000 each American earns tax-free.

“The purpose of this bill,” wrote Grayson last week, “is to connect the dots, and to show people in a real and concrete way the cost of these endless wars.” It’s not just the costs of active shooting wars; with hundreds of bases overseas, as far as the defense budget is concerned Americans have been on a permanent wartime footing, to varying degrees, since Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941. “War is a permanent feature of our societal landscape,” wrote Grayson, “so much so that no one notices it anymore.”

The bill already has several co-sponsors, including at least two Republicans (albeit maverick GOPers Ron Paul of Texas and Walter Jones of South Carolina). But since the Pentagon would have to take money out of its regular budget -- largely from the budget for newfangled hardware -- the DoD and influential defense contractors will no doubt fight it tooth-and-nail.

But the War Is Making You Poor Act might have a major impact on our national dialogue regardless. It highlights in a visceral way what Americans lose by privileging money for guns over butter. “The costs of the war have been rendered invisible,” wrote Grayson. “There's no draft. Instead, we take the most vulnerable elements of our population, and give them a choice between unemployment and missile fodder. Government deficits conceal the need to pay in cash for the war.” Grayson’s measure might just shine a bright light on those “opportunity costs.”

Budgeting is all about priorities, and the bill can raise public awareness of that fact. The Right has done a remarkable job convincing the American public that tax dollars used for programs that help the middle class or the poor are dollars “taken out of your pocket,” but no such consideration is given to the trillions spent on financing our military operations.

That was apparent during the recent debate over the Affordable Care Act, when Republicans, Blue Dog Democrats and most of the media focused relentlessly on the costs of the bill, and its likely impact on future deficits. No such discussion took place when the invasion of Iraq was being debated. Grayson’s bill makes the same appeal to self-interest the conservatives have used to often devastating effect to oppose everything from Medicare to public education. It says: "We can pay for these wars, or we can make them take it out of the defense contractors’ hides and get our first $35K tax-free."
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  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I love Alan Grayson. He has surely made himself stand out of the crowd of SHEEP that seem to be occupying seats in the Congress these days. Grayson is a Wolf and he deserves our respect and admiration for standing up for the "little guy".

      I signed the petition and sent it along to all my friends.

    • 2 years ago
  • hombre76
  • Toobizy
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      Toobizy  
    • I've been trying to explain this very fact to my conservative relatives for several years, but it does not compute with them. "National defense" is a hot-button phrase & conjures up all sorts of fears, going back to the "red menace", I guess. The bill will never pass ( or will be rendered ineffectual) because our system is broken beyond repair. I am sad. No more Donkeys or Elephants for me. I going rogue (Independent)!

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  
    • dumb idea. grayson is a vulgar idiot. cut DoD budget at the exact moment North Korea is going on a war footing and we're under attack by Islamic extremists...this is leadership a la Neville Chamberlain.

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
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      Monkey_Films  
    • curtisreed:

      You should subscribe to Veterans Today's Newsletter. There isn't a Veteran writer on that site that would agree with your assumption that we are in danger from N. Korea or Islamic extremists. Most of the things you are scared of have been CIA false flags, proven and documented. Most people never get past the headlines to follow the stories as they go deeper and smaller into the newspapers. That's when they finally let the suspects go and drop all charges. Sometimes, they even admit involvement but don't bother yourself with that information, it's easier to just keep listening to the terror alert colors.

    • 2 years ago
  • Armageddon_Now
  • JonRaymond
  • crispyfritters
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      crispyfritters  
    • there's always a handful of senators who just throw bills like this out there. Nobody seems to care about them, because they aren't usually the ones with the big money. Regardless, I hope they keep on truckin'.

    • 2 years ago
  • PirateSauce
  • jaystyx
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      jaystyx  
    • It’s about time someone at least brought up the issue. The US is struggling with debt, but no one has suggested adjusting the department of defense budget. They take up over 50% of tax revenue. That kind of money makes these bailouts seem insignificant in comparison.

    • 2 years ago
  • curtisreed
  • ryan8566
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      ryan8566  
    • jaystyx:

      The cost of the illegal invasion of Iraq is $500 billion and counting. Obama is getting out of there, but has to move slowly to avoid a crisis, which he inherited. Even Colin Powell is on record as quietly advising Bush of the 'pottery rule': "if you break it, you own it".
      we could probably use that money right now, you think?

    • 2 years ago
  • rickm8
  • curtisreed
  • rickm8
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      rickm8  
    • curtisreed:

      I followed the same school of thought as you for a while Mr. Reed it isn't true. I wish I could say we are making large steps towards ending the conflict over there, but we aren't! And we will not be making any either. The right AND left agree with that now.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • dragon1984
  • bking74
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      bking74  
    • The relationship between the DoD and the Super Size Defense Contractors are to tightly wrapped together. We are wasting billions on weapon systems that are being developed for a war that will never come. It is corporate welfare, plain and simple. All the major and useful weapons, armor and vech's have come from smaller defense contractors. That being said the War isn't making me poor in fact its making me (or my family if I get frag by an Afghan) pretty comfortable. Between massive re-enlistment bonuses, critical skill bonuses, Hazard pay and education bonuses, I am making a great living. Another huge factor is that I don't pay directly for most services, housing, health care..etc...War, historically is suppose to benefit the nation's economy but with these huge multi-national, private firms are devouring all the war profits.

    • 2 years ago
  • Omnomynous
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      Omnomynous  
    • bking74:

      Well it's kinda nice that although it pays you quite well to take part in it, you at least admit it's a crock, corporate welfare....

      Now why would anybody want to take part in a pointless exercise in setting up a "puppet government" we can be happy with, that will inevitably be just as corrupt and demented as our own? (is beyond me) When they could be state side working to improve the lives of ordinary Americans...?

      Idk, the military seems to be lacking a certain "moral fiber" you'd like to see in people that it costs 1 million a year (@ least) of tax payer money to supply on the job.

      I hope your kids know it is about the money, and that even you knew that what you were apart of was selfish, and pointless.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • observer2121
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      observer2121  
    • This will never ever get widespread republican support, I just hope the democrats have the balls to do this and get 2 or 3 more republicans to join them.

    • 2 years ago
  • Kaplow820
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • Holy Hell and Hallelujah, it almost sounds like somebody on the hill was given truth serum.

      I hate to hear people say it will never pass. Maybe it's time we make it our business to ensure that it passes. If these blood suckers don't pass it, then it's time to vote them out, and vote in representatives who will pass it.

      I am mailing this to everyone I know. People just don't realize how the DOD is not only bankrupting each and every family in this country, but they are murdering our sons and daughters as well in their relentless pursuit of war. The truth is, billions and billions of dollars go not only towards these wars, but towards all of the experimental death toys DOD provides the funds to develop. God, I can't believe he's from Florida, hope he doesn't mysteriously die in a plane crash, the powers that be will not like even the suggestion of this bill, let alone taxpayers supporting it.

    • 2 years ago
  • LibertyMinded
  • Joe_Medina
  • Dr_Who
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
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    • Dr_Who:

      http://News.com

      JJ, you can be sued and prosecuted for what your doing.

      The 'net is alive with buzz about a new bill signed into law by President Bush that could see certain forms of harassment online turned into criminal behaviors. The bill, dubbed the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005, addresses a number of major issues, but online forms of harassment are addressed in a tiny section of the bill that seeks to address "cyberstalking."

      So far as I can tell, the story originated with this report at News.com by Declan McCullagh, who commonly covers the intersecting points of technology and law and/or politics. The story opens with some remarkable claims:

      It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

      As you would expect, eyebrows across the country were raised at the prospect of good old fashioned Internet trolling and flaming becoming criminal (at least in the US), with a maximum penalty being two years in jail. Chances are, if you've read about this new law, you've read about how it criminalizes harassment online done under a false or anonymous identity. You've probably also read that this will make blogging, forum posting, and using USENET (among other things) far more dangerous because it would now be "illegal to annoy" someone, and whatnot.

      The problem is, I believe that McCullagh has rushed to judgment somewhat, which is something I'm reticent to say because I rarely have qualms with his work. But before we get into that, let's look at the law in question, and address some of the words and their meaning. First, the changes (I've put new additions in bold):

      (h) Definitions
      For purposes of this section—
      (1) The use of the term "telecommunications device" in this section—
      (A) shall not impose new obligations on broadcasting station licensees and cable operators covered by obscenity and indecency provisions elsewhere in this chapter;
      (B) does not include an interactive computer service; and
      (C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).'.

      Note this very important point: subparagraph (B) still excludes "interactive computer service" from the definition of "telecommunications device." But what is happening to subparagraph (C) subsection (a)(1)? First, let's have a look at that subsection, which occurs under "Prohibited acts generally." (Note that the bolded subparagraph (C) above is not the same as subparagraph (C) subsection (a)(1), which I am about to quote.)

      (C) [Whoever] makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives the communications;

      As a quick note, it should be pointed out that "annoy" here has a much more limited meaning here than mere everyday annoyance. Rather than cite scores of precedent, we need to only look at how the law has played out before the manner of communication was addressed with this new bill. Suffice it to say that previous to this bill, it was already illegal "to annoy" in this manner (namely, with intent) using a telephone, and yet we all know that the black helicopters won't come swooping in because of merely annoying phone calls, be they commercial in nature, pranks, or from your in-laws (if your in-laws annoy you, of course). The bar is high, as they say, and there has to be intent to cause someone else emotional stress. (Of course, that won't stop lawsuit-happy people from trying, but what does?)

      Building on that, we need to put this law into context, and I think that is where things become more clear. Anonymous speech per se is protected by the First Amendment (see McIntyre v. Ohio Election Commission for a recent SCOTUS-level decision), but anonymous speech has also been subjected to legal scrutiny, such that Internet Service Providers and the like have been pressed to reveal the identities of anonymous individuals who have been accused of defamation and other such "speech crimes." This is to say that, even prior to this law, it was possible for a party to serve discovery on an ISP or a forum provider to turn over whatever information they had on a poster for the purposes of pursuing claims.

      So, given that "annoy" has a higher bar than its everyday meaning, and given that it was already possible to try and do a hatchet job on someone online posting their opinions, what does this law really add to the situation? Without a doubt, the statute is extremely vague and confusing, and some interpretations would give it a meaning so broad as to be unconstitutional. But that's where the intent qualification comes in: there has to be an appearance that someone is trying to be malicious to achieve a negative end. Could this law be used for abuse? Sure, but then, so are so many laws (the DMCA comes to mind). But I think it's not quite accurate to say that forum posts and blogs are going to come under fire if someone finds them "annoying."

      If I could boil my reading down to a few sentences, it would be as follows: the statute makes it illegal to send communications with the intent to "annoy," when those communications are sent anonymously. Previously, it was already illegal to attempt to annoy others with telecommunications services, anonymous or not. Now anonymity is explicitly addressed, but incidental annoyance is still not the same thing as intentional annoyance, which often requires a pattern of abuse to establish (since it is often otherwise very difficult to establish someone's state of mind when engaging in a particular behavior). Yet this has been illegal for some time. In fact, this entire amendment to the statute is only updating a rather old prohibition against malicious telephone usage.

      In a phrase: the more things change, the more they stay the same. Why add this language then? That's a good question, and if I had to guess, I would say that this looks like a rather lame attempt to address the burgeoning VoIP world, which will soon include all instant messaging clients supporting making calls to Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS). But this bill does not make anonymity illegal, nor does it make everyday annoyance illegal. However, if you attempt to hide your identity while engaging in a campaign to annoy someone electronically, you could find yourself on the other side of a lawsuit. But this was already possible before this bill was passed

    • 2 years ago
  • bbar
  • stolenapples
  • Miglue
  • paramedic249
  • EmperorThan
  • Mark701
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      Mark701  
    • I don't think Grayson really believes that this bill will pass, although it would be nice if it did. The intent is to highlight exactly how much money the DOD pisses away every year. The teabaggers were wailing about the $1 trillion 10 year price tag of the health care bill. But we haven't heard a squeak out of them about the fact that the DOD spends $1 trillion/YEAR.

      What's worse is that Americas spending on all these new weapon systems is the equivalent of the French Maginot Line. Our military is geared towards short, sharp conflicts that can be resolved within 3-4 months. If we ever got into a serious war of attrition like that of WW II we would have to fold because the majority of our manufacturing base has been shipped overseas by "American" corporations which would compromise our ability replace our material losses. And even if we could, we couldn't afford to do it given the outrageous costs of these systems. In WW II, Germany, had the most technologically advanced military in the world. We didn't beat them because we had better equipment, but because we were able to outproduce them.

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
    • +2
      RaceBannon  
    • Mark701:

      well you're right but for the sake of keeping things accurate, allow me to amend your comment.
      Aside from the US wartime industrial boom, Russia played a massive role in the war against the Nazis. To be honest Hitlers invasion into the motherland is pretty much what sealed the deal for the germans to lose the war.
      Furthermore our military is pretty equipped for police actions, not full scale wars. Plus its unlikely we'll have a global war unless something catastrophic happens, and with China having us by the balls economically we wont be going to war with North Korea anytime soon.

    • 2 years ago
  • bbar
  • LibertyMinded
  • Mark701
    • +3
      Mark701  
    • RaceBannon:

      You are correct about about Russia, however the same holds true. Russia's military at the time of the German invasion was vastly inferior to Germany's until later in the war. However the key to Russia success was that they moved their major industries into the Urals(?) and away from the front. Then they outproduced Germany on a massive scale AND had the manpower to use those weapons.

    • 2 years ago
  • bking74
    • +3
      bking74  
    • Mark701:

      It kills me to say it but mark701 is correct. The DoD committed to far to many weapon systems that are out of date or designed for a much different war. Even though these weapon systems are all but useless the DoD keeps funding these useless projects to the super sized Defense Contractors.

    • 2 years ago
  • Darevalo
  • Dagum
    • +4
      Dagum  
    • Yes! I really hope this passes. Alan Grayson is one of a handful of politicians that is actually working for the American people.

    • 2 years ago
  • Still_Falling
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      Still_Falling  
    • Alan Grayson taking the fight to the military bullies and their mendacious political accomplices.
      If he keeps this up, I see a person who might restore my faith in the democratic process. Even if he does not succeed with this measure, he had the gravitas to introduce it in the house.

      Here I were getting disheartened with the so called elected leaders.

      My views on democracy becoming similar to those of most people I know, neither left or right, not exactly brimming with belief, a noble failed experiment along our evolutionary way, brought low by base instincts, money, self-interest and stupidity.

      Then out of nowhere steps Grayson, swinging the gauntlet of truth at the corrupt establishment.

      GRAYSON FOR PRESIDENT NOT IN 2012 BUT NOW

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
    • +3
      ThoughtNu  
    • "...It highlights in a visceral way what Americans lose by privileging money for guns over butter. “The costs of the war have been rendered invisible,” wrote Grayson. “There's no draft. Instead, we take the most vulnerable elements of our population, and give them a choice between unemployment and missile fodder. Government deficits conceal the need to pay in cash for the war.” Grayson’s measure might just shine a bright light on those “opportunity costs.”...

      Difficult to address this issue without showing allegiance; either to the military industrial complex that seams to want to 'eliminate' every single combatant other than the original target (bill o laden)... or the True welfare of CITIZENS that shoulder the costs and consequences of those actions

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0_TtYQEDTo&feature=player_embedded

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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