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March 28th, 2011
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Gingrich fears 'atheist country ... dominated by radical Islamists'

Photo: Newt Gingrich at Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas.

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor



Hours after declaring Sunday that he expects to be running for president within a month, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said he's worried the United States could be “a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists,” in the foreseeable future, according to Politico.

Gingrich was addressing Cornerstone Church, a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas, led by the Rev. John Hagee, an influential leader among American evangelicals. Hagee's endorsement of then-presidential candidate John McCain in 2008 was plagued by controversy.

McCain ultimately rejected the endorsement over remarks Hagee had made about the Holocaust, in which he appeared to say that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God's will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel, in accordance with biblical prophecy.

"God says in Jeremiah 16: 'Behold, I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave to their fathers. ... Behold, I will send for many fishers, and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them.' That would be the Jews,” Hagee had said in an earlier sermon.

“Then God sent a hunter,” his sermon continued. “A hunter is someone who comes with a gun, and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."

McCain rejected Hagee’s endorsement of his campaign after learning about the comments in May 2008. "Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them,” McCain said at the time.

Hagee then withdrew his endorsement of the Arizona senator, which he had offered three months earlier.

One irony of McCain rejecting Hagee’s endorsement over his Holocaust remarks is that the Texas evangelist leads the Christian Zionist movement. Hagee is founder and national chairman of Christians United for Israel, which features Elie Wiesel and other Holocaust survivors at its events.

Here’s what Gingrich said at Cornerstone Church on Sunday evening, according to Politico:

"I have two grandchildren: Maggie is 11; Robert is 9," Gingrich said at Cornerstone Church here. "I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

The former House Speaker held up his own faith (he converted to Catholicism two years ago) as proof of his undying patriotism. He lashed out at the college professors and mainstream media he says are seeking to wipe out the Founding Fathers' Christian values. And he targeted the judges who he charges are effectively re-writing the Constitution.

But Gingrich was mum on his own controversial past, one of martial indiscretions and divorces that have made courting religious conservatives a tall task as he nears a likely presidential run.

Gingrich’s church appearance comes amid a broader campaign to court religious conservatives.

On Monday, Hagee released a statement praising Gingrich's appearance at Cornerstone. “It was such a great honor to welcome Mr. Gingrich to our church, and hear him describe the centrality of faith in our nation,” he said.

The statement also included praise for Hagee and his wife, Diana, from Gingrich.

“It was truly an honor to be with John and Diana at Cornerstone," Gingrich said. "Their dedication to serve is inspirational.”
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169 comments // Gingrich Fears Atheist United States

  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • There is something about church and state that says they are not to play togeather. So why is this talking head speaking of his work at a church setting? The Church should be stripped of its tax free status at the very least. The talking head should be brought up on ethics violations at the very least.

    • 1 year ago
  • coxian_armada
  • bailey78
  • BigAL72
    • +2
      BigAL72  
    • The conservative Christian Right in this country have disgusted or scared away Millions of Americans from Christianity. I believe that most Americans today are either agnostic (like myself), atheist or belong to another religion. Most people say that they are Christian only to be accepted in their surroundings.

    • 1 year ago
  • wolfess
  • carslut
    • +1
      carslut  
    • I'm more afraid of people like him being in control. As people get older, and closer to death, they seem to start hedging their bets. Believing in anything religious is just a manifestation of that "fear of death". Christianity, Islam, VooDoo, it's all the same. At least atheists have a rational belief. Gingrich has always scared me. You would think, that with his background in History, he would be smarter than that. In typical political fashion, preying on people's fears. Death is a pretty scary thing to some, if not all people. Some just deal with it better than others. And this "Moral Majority", as a group, is some of the scariest of them all. In their own way, they're just as bad, if not equal to, any extremist Islamic group.

    • 1 year ago
  • mikeO
    • +1
      mikeO  
    • carslut:

      In order to establish an absolute certainty there is no god, all things would have to be known and an exhaustive inventory of all things known would have to be undertaken in order to determine the absence of a god. So, to say there is no god, without having examined all, is not anymore rational than saying there is a god and he loves me so.
      I don't believe there's a god and I don't believe there is any real evidence there is anything other than the physical. What we call 'spiritual', I think, is just the manifestation of brain activity. (If there were a spirit, how could it be affected by drugs?)
      I think you are right about the fear of death being at the core of efforts to assume a god and, more importantly, an eternal life. While I still consider the possibility of such, I pretty much believe that when I die, that's it. I find the thought of one day ceasing to exist, as if I had never existed, to be very sad and I'm already beginning to miss myself. I wish I thought differently, but it would take a pretty severe head injury to persuade me otherwise.

    • 1 year ago
  • MyronKeith
    • +2
      MyronKeith  
    • The sad thing is that no one in the audience he was speaking to would have registered or cared that the two were a logical contradiction in terms. As long as he mentioned the two things most frightening to Evangelicals, namely scary Muslim 'extremists' and godless atheists, they'll be convinced to support him (at least initially) to rally against those fears...

    • 1 year ago
  • mikeO
    • +1
      mikeO  
    • MyronKeith:

      I've known some Christians to consider anyone who doesn't believe in their god to be an atheist. Even Bill O'Reilly had a show about Hitler and his atheism. (Hitler may have switched his beliefs around, but he always believed in something.)

    • 1 year ago
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • riffmage
    • +1
      riffmage  
    • Don't be afraid. The truth is scary at first. Once you realize you have been lying to yourself you can start to look outside your prison of mental barriers and see all the possibilities. ... @#$%^Damn roach just burned my fingers. hehe :)-~~~

    • 1 year ago
  • bike10
  • PeteLeS33
    • +2
      PeteLeS33  
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    • Gingrich and Hagee and there war aginst Atheists. This may be the time we Atheists Sopke UP. We have a choise in this country, A theocratic state like Hitlers Germany or The SECULAR NATION that we were Founded as by our Atheists/Destic Fathers. It's our choise.

    • 1 year ago
  • August_K
    • +2
      August_K  
    • Let's start a new meme, Newt and the other candidates who use fear and the bible as their tool should be referred to as the "Christian Taliban" candidates.

    • 1 year ago
  • wolfess
    • +1
      wolfess  
    • August_K:

      I totally agree with you -- christian taliban sounds spot-on; as some of the other posters on this thread have said, a religious extremist can come in many different forms; the [im]moral majority, or born-again christians are merely 2 'cats' with the same white stripe down their backs.

    • 1 year ago
  • coolplanet
    • +9
      coolplanet  
    • My dear friend Betty Focer who ran the Social Security administration in Pittsburgh for 30 years once told me a story about an athiest I will never forget.
      She and her husband were devout Christians but he decided to run off with his secretary anyway, leaving Betty with four young children and no money.
      The church ladies all stopped by with cookies and prayers.
      A few weeks later, desparately looking for a job, her neighbor who happened to be an atheist, dropped by with a check written out to her for $10,000. He said "Betty, I want you to have this to get you through this terrible time. Pay me back whenever you can afford it no matter how long that takes."
      The moral we agreed was that cookies and prayers just don't cut it. It is actually arrogant to petition God to wave some magic wand and fix all of our problems.
      It is up to the actions of good people to pitch in and help.
      As Paul said, "Faith without works is dead."

    • 1 year ago
  • NC54
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • EdJoyProductions
  • Charles9
  • eden49
  • randallr01
  • hnhm75
  • mikeO
  • cherry5000
  • SLBushway
    • +4
      SLBushway  
    • The founding fathers didn't have Christian values - how can you claim to be a Christian in the midst of perpetuating a lie.

    • 1 year ago
  • GREENRAGE
    • +4
      GREENRAGE  
    • Huh? What is the probability the US with 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion, etc in its' Constitution ratified in 12/15/1791; suddenly after 220 years change to into radical Islam? A very low probability for the entire US; but freedom of religion is in the Constitution so Newt ya better watch out; those prayers could hurt!

    • 1 year ago
  • Pollo_Loco_
  • samthesixth
  • fun_size
  • fun_size
    • +8
      fun_size  
    • He fears an atheist United States... dominated by radical muslims? Obviously this idiot even know what an oxymoron is.

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
  • Seauvan
    • +2
      Seauvan  
    • fun_size:

      I WAS going to pounce on that contradiction UNTIL I realised the word "POTENTIALLY" qualified that statement just enough to raise it to the level of merely RIDICULOUS. I like to debate and argue a position, but fairly.

    • 1 year ago
  • gypsysailor
  • dreamsenvoy
  • The_Wanderer_KS
    • +8
      The_Wanderer_KS  
    • Newt, let me tell you one god damned thing as a proud red blooded american ATHIEST! Should there a problem on the streets of my nation like "radical islamists" trying to control my life or my childrens through violence you see one athiest act with swift justice and righteous fury to right the wrongs. If you intend on calling athiests cowards or pushovers because of our "lack of faith" you are seriously mistaken!! Remember athiest have no where left to put thier faith other then in thier fellow peaceful man!

      ::walks away sputtering and fuming::

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • madammarsh
  • samthesixth
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • SamuraiDave
    • +3
      SamuraiDave  
    • An atheistic state would be rather redundant and spend much time obnoxiously going on about how bad religion is on websites and media while ignoring more important matters. No but seriously I wouldn't like that anymore than a theist state. A secular non-religious tolerant state as opposed to an anti-religious or pro-religious one is what we should have.

      This is just a strawman boogey-man tactic to get attention. Republicans love to use fear to galvanize conservative voters. Look what happened in 2004 when gay marriage became an issue conveniently enough in an election year. It's a wonder these people ever walk outside their homes/compounds.

    • 1 year ago
  • uShine
  • mikeO
    • +3
      mikeO  
    • uShine:

      I understand your frustration with Gingrich, but you're in danger of pulling a Westboro Baptist reversal here. Two different places with two different histories that really can't be fairly compared.

    • 1 year ago
  • uShine
  • gypsysailor
  • mikeO
    • 0
      mikeO  
    • uShine:

      I understand the point you were trying to make and I think you were earnest in your efforts. Unfortunately, the same comparison is being made by racists, saying things like "there's no looting in Japan because there's no blacks there...etc., etc." There are just too many ways the comparison can be taken wrongly.

    • 1 year ago
  • uShine
  • mikeO
    • 0
      mikeO  
    • uShine:

      Well, do you really mean to imply by your comparison that all the problems of New Orleans are caused by Christianity? I don't for a minute think that's what you mean, but that's the perception others might have. That's the problem with situations like this. Here we are, all taking a few idiotic comments too seriously by a guy who has absolutely no chance of ever being president.

    • 1 year ago
  • tlbuffin
  • Leen61
  • Seauvan
  • Demtothecore
  • tlbuffin
  • Demtothecore
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • tlbuffin:

      In a related story, Newt left his current wife for a space alien chick. Although he blamed his love for America for his past transgressions, this time he boldly blamed his love for Earth for diddling a hot, barely legal ET temptress. Oh, that Newt. He's such a scamp and by scamp, I mean soulless scumbag.

    • 1 year ago
  • tlbuffin
  • EthicalVegan
  • DEM46
    • +3
      DEM46  
    • wow, bring in the pandering to the "god" voters. Yet, I wonder what anyone means when they say they are afraid of a secular atheist country dominated by radical Islamist. Hmm? if we are dominated by any religious faction, then, by definition we can't be secular or atheist.

      Way to go idiot. Wait, that's who your pandering to. It's just too easy to pick these fanatics apart.

    • 1 year ago
  • lightningthunderfox
  • gump
    • +3
      gump  
    • That tyrant gingrinch looks to things of the devil for his own personal redemption.He doesnot fear atheism as much as he fears love of the common humans as jesus taught it before the bible was rewritten and reinterpreted a thousand times by self serving sellouts going toward the darkside like gingrinch himself

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
    • +1
      mitekillem  
    • Look. You can't have an atheist country run by islamist. Atheists believe in no God. Muslims believe in Allah (aka the God of Abraham). You can't have non-god believers run by a group that believes in God. It's a paradox. It can't work.

      Such is the ignorance of Newt Gingrich.
      Besides, we have freedom of religion in the US, you ass-kissing-f%ck!

    • 1 year ago
  • martianrocker
    • +1
      martianrocker  
    • Atheists... ruled by Radical Islamists...WITH OIL MONEY IN OUR POLITICIANS POCKETS. EVERYONE FOR THEMSELVES!

      CONGRESS CHANGE THE LOBBY-CONTRIBUTION LAWS OR BE VOTED OUT NEXT TERM!

    • 1 year ago
  • lil_RASKAL
    • +1
      lil_RASKAL  
    • I doubt very much that this and any country will become entirely secular. My opinion is that spirituality is flourishing right now, most just don't know where to focus there energy because most practices teach one thing and kill or oppose those that don't follow. Secularism is very far from where we all are I believe.

    • 1 year ago
  • WagonMaster
  • EthicalVegan
  • CalPal
    • +8
      CalPal  
    • Atheists... ruled by Radical Islamists...

      ._.
      :|
      .-.
      |:
      ._.

      I would laugh if this guy wasn't seriously thinking about being a leader of a nation with the largest military budget in the world.

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
  • mikeO
  • Demtothecore
  • lightningthunderfox
  • mikeO
  • EthicalVegan
  • Demtothecore
  • mikeO
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • mikeO:

      Shit!! So the outfit and high heel shoes are out?? Don't you know every movement has at least one infidel?? NO after party? Not even a porn flick? Sorry Mike I must opt out!

    • 1 year ago
  • madammarsh
    • +2
      madammarsh  
    • It has seemingly escaped the notice of Newtie that at least some of the founding fathers they all keep invoking at us, were deists, not Christians. Thomas Jefferson, for example, the writer of the documents they only claim to revere. And with a moral compass like Newt of the wandering affections, our little ship of state will go aground in no time.

    • 1 year ago
  • timetide
    • +4
      timetide  
    • “a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists,” facepalm. really? really?!? is he too retarded to even know (or care) about the difference between a radical muslim and an Atheist?

    • 1 year ago
  • WagonMaster
    • +5
      WagonMaster  
    • And we Athiests WELCOME an Athiest America and thoroughly detest Bible Spouting assholes like Newt, the serial rapist and closet pediphile and the rest of the "Kill For Jesus" ignorant, mealie-mouthed, PseudoChristian man-boy lovers and their cutsy pie Palinettes.

    • 1 year ago
  • ecoalex
  • JustZ
    • +7
      JustZ  
    • "with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

      And what would this disgraced pig possibly know about what it means to be American? Ohhh...I see, he means back when most AMERICANS were stupid, white and Christian. You're just confused NEWT. That's what its like to be A RETHUGLICAN...not an American... you pathetic clod.

    • 1 year ago
  • timetide
  • mikeO
  • postlapsaria
    • +8
      postlapsaria  
    • i can't even read the rest of the story.
      "a secular atheist county." ok-- if i'm a ridiculous christian-- i'm with you... let's keep religion... ok...

      "possibly run by islamists" WHA?
      islamists AREN'T atheist, that's apples and oranges-- it's atheist and religious.

      if he's not even going to stay on a linear thought while mentally masturbating the religious base, i'm not even going to bother pretending to listen to him.

      he's not running, he's certainly not getting the nomination-- don't worry about it.

    • 1 year ago
  • JustZ
  • PoliticalAmazon
    • +2
      PoliticalAmazon  
    • postlapsaria:

      Well, ITA with your comment about nonlinear thinking.

      It may not make sense to anyone who thinks and evaluates what they read and listen to. But to the GOP's core, largest-number-of-members group, the evangelicals and fundamentalists, who don't analyze what they read or hear--it is like honey to a bear.

      He's been working on this for two years, and he has the fundi/evang handlers in his hip pocket. He donates to them and their "charities" and "nonprofits," and has groveled before them, confessing (in great detail, I understand) ALL of his sinful transgressions including those that occurred on a desk in the congressional library.

      I think he will win the primary--no one else is running who can wrap up that many GOP votes.

      But the general election? Obama would have to screw up even more than he has already because there are still a few GOP voters left who Gingrich and his marching armies of Christian soldiers would scare the bejesus out of.

      The only thing I can think of which might give Gingrich a win in the general election would be if Darryl Issa popped his Obama investigation as an October Surprise, and if it was about personal (i.e., Cilntonesque) issues of Obama, which is where the GOP seems to think the paydirt is.

      That might do it.

      But I'm really amazed how Gingrich has been able to sanitize himself for another run at the presidency. He must be a very good strategist.

    • 1 year ago
  • postlapsaria
    • +5
      postlapsaria  
    • PoliticalAmazon:

      "another run at the presidency"
      he's never really run.

      he's been "thinking" about it for a decade now, so he can make money. possibly running pays dividends in book deals and speaking engagements. it won't run. i'm almost certain of it. or if he does he'll go ultra base vote and he'll lose the primaries in the more moderate states, he'll win a few ultra conservative states, but he's not strong enough for the general election so the smart conservatives won't let him get the vote.

      but again-- he's not running, he's just selling himself.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • pissedoffinarkansas
  • p122345
  • JustZ
  • pissedoffinarkansas
  • ilikeike
    • +5
      ilikeike  
    • This shows how far the "flock" has been led astray. Enlightened people need to go and witness evangelicals to see the kind of manipulation going on. This cant be the true Jesus church.

    • 1 year ago
  • cwebbpt4
    • +5
      cwebbpt4  
    • 'atheist country ... dominated by radical Islamists'

      Makes TONS of sense. Radical Islamists that don't believe in God...they are everywhere!

      seriously though, anyone actually believe this guys is really going to run for president? i wonder how long people will keep giving you "campaign donations" once they start realizing you have no chance.

    • 1 year ago
  • Freedem
    • +4
      Freedem  
    • The Cognitive dissonance that a group of right wing extremists at least as theocratic as that crowd with policy differences that consist only of choice of authoritative book would team up with folks of more generous interpretation of each book and those who reject the validity of either book to impose a theocracy of the very sort they themselves advocate except with that different book is an exercise in imagination beyond Human and/or equal to the most stupid rocks.

      Just try and Imagine such a group singing Kumbya around a camp fire, and planning world domination. I would love to see the transcript of even the most imaginative fiction of that discussion. Even straw dogs need some sort of shape that a dog can be imagined from.

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
    • +2
      littlwarrior  
    • Trust me if the Atheists win this culture war, we will have little to fear from radical Islamists they are just as irritating as radical Christians, and we wont be having none of that now. But you can already see the republican strategy, its the same every time, whip the biggest base into a frensy of fear and mistrust and next thing you know they vote for the least trustworthy guy who's going to do the most damage.

    • 1 year ago
  • Milieu
  • PoliticalAmazon
    • +4
      PoliticalAmazon  
    • Milieu:

      Not as far as the GOP fundamentalists/evangelicals are concerned. He has washed his sins away, according to the fundi/evan handlers (to whom Gingrich donates mightily, I might add).

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
    • +3
      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • More newt demagoguery. What a PATHETIC attempt to grasp onto religious right relevancy! Pundits say he hasn't a chance in demagogueville. But, they will use his mouthpiece, none the less. I'm convinced someone with a gun is going to become unhinged and go postal on these nightmarish people. How can it not happen?

    • 1 year ago
  • JustZ
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