Welcome : THE GREATEST DEPRESSION
source: http://figrd.blogspot.com/2011/05/breadline-nyc-1935-fdr-mus.html
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Reuters reports today:
The April 20-23 Gallup survey of 1,013 U.S. adults found that only 27 percent said the economy is growing. Twenty-nine percent said the economy is in a depression and 26 percent said it is in a recession, with another 16 percent saying it is "slowing down," Gallup said.
Tyler Durden notes:
That means that more Americans think the country is in a Depression, let alone recession, than growing.
How can so many Americans believe that we're in a depression, when the stock market and commodity prices have been booming? As I noted last week:
Instead of directly helping the American people, the government threw trillions at the giant banks (including foreign banks; and see this) . The big banks have - in turn - used a lot of that money to speculate in commodities, including food and other items which are now driving up the price of consumer necessities [as well as stocks]. Instead of using the money to hire Americans, they're hiring abroad (and getting tax refunds from the government).
But don't rising stock prices help create wealth?
Not really. As I pointed out in January:
A rising stock market doesn't help the average American as much as you might assume.
For example, Robert Shiller noted in 2001:
We have examined the wealth effect with a cross-sectional time-series data sets that are more comprehensive than any applied to the wealth effect before and with a number of different econometric specifications. The statistical results are variable depending on econometric specification, and so any conclusion must be tentative. Nevertheless, the evidence of a stock market wealth effect is weak; the common presumption that there is strong evidence for the wealth effect is not supported in our results. However, we do find strong evidence that variations in housing market wealth have important effects upon consumption. This evidence arises consistently using panels of U.S. states and individual countries and is robust to differences in model specification. The housing market appears to be more important than the stock market in influencing consumption in developed countries.
I pointed out in March:
Even Alan Greenspan recently called the recovery "extremely unbalanced," driven largely by high earners benefiting from recovering stock markets and large corporations.
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As economics professor and former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich writes today in an outstanding piece:
Some cheerleaders say rising stock prices make consumers feel wealthier and therefore readier to spend. But to the extent most Americans have any assets at all their net worth is mostly in their homes, and those homes are still worth less than they were in 2007. The "wealth effect" is relevant mainly to the richest 10 percent of Americans, most of whose net worth is in stocks and bonds.
I noted in May:
As of 2007, the bottom 50% of the U.S. population owned only one-half of one percent of all stocks, bonds and mutual funds in the U.S. On the other hand, the top 1% owned owned 50.9%.
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(Of course, the divergence between the wealthiest and the rest has only increased since 2007.)
And last month Professor G. William Domhoff updated his "Who Rules America" study, showing that the richest 10% own 98.5% of all financial securities, and that:
The top 10% have 80% to 90% of stocks, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and over 75% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America.
Indeed, most stocks are held for only a couple of moments - and aren't held by mom and pop investors.
How Bad?How bad are things for the little guy?
Well, as I noted in January, the housing slump is worse than during the Great Depression.
As CNN Money points out today:
Wal-Mart's core shoppers are running out of money much faster than a year ago due to rising gasoline prices, and the retail giant is worried, CEO Mike Duke said Wednesday.
"We're seeing core consumers under a lot of pressure," Duke said at an event in New York. "There's no doubt that rising fuel prices are having an impact."
Wal-Mart shoppers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck, typically shop in bulk at the beginning of the month when their paychecks come in.
Lately, they're "running out of money" at a faster clip, he said.
"Purchases are really dropping off by the end of the month even more than last year," Duke said. "This end-of-month [purchases] cycle is growing to be a concern.
And - in case you still think that the 29% of Americans who think we're in a depression are unduly pessimistic - take a look at what I wrote last December:
The following experts have - at some point during the last 2 years - said that the economic crisis could be worse than the Great Depression:
* Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke
* Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan (and see this and this)
* Former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker
* Economics scholar and former Federal Reserve Governor Frederic Mishkin
* The head of the Bank of England Mervyn King
* Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz
* Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman
* Former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead
* Economics professors Barry Eichengreen and and Kevin H. O'Rourke (updated here)
* Investment advisor, risk expert and "Black Swan" author Nassim Nicholas Taleb
* Well-known PhD economist Marc Faber
* Morgan Stanley’s UK equity strategist Graham Secker
* Former chief credit officer at Fannie Mae Edward J. Pinto
* Billionaire investor George Soros
* Senior British minister Ed Balls
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States and Cities In Worst Shape Since the Great Depression
States and cities are in dire financial straits, and many may default in 2011.
California is issuing IOUs for only the second time since the Great Depression.
Things haven't been this bad for state and local governments since the 30s.
Loan Loss Rate Higher than During the Great Depression
In October 2009, I reported:
In May, analyst Mike Mayo predicted that the bank loan loss rate would be higher than during the Great Depression.
In a new report, Moody's has just confirmed (as summarized by Zero Hedge):
The most recent rate of bank charge offs, which hit $45 billion in the past quarter, and have now reached a total of $116 billion, is at 3.4%, which is substantially higher than the 2.25% hit in 1932, before peaking at at 3.4% rate by 1934.
And see this.
Here's a chart summarizing the findings:(The chart some pie charts for those that dig those line graphs
video at site links sources and more depressing finding's to rock the holes in your socks its been confirmed we are depressing -figg)
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IrishmanHorror
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clarification, Bush Junior sent that bill as a final fuck you to Americans, not only did they get all of that money but legally we arent even allowed to ask where it went. So they dont care about laws then why should we, we should mass steal from them, force our govt to find out where it went and force them, at gunpoint if need be, to pay it all back immediately, not in payments or down the road, but all of it and more NOW!
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Thethingis
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If you asked a Wealthy American to delve out a significant portion of their hard earned savings to bail out this country in an effort of nation preservation, you would provoke them to pack their bags for sunnier shores. What the wealthy don't get is that debt is just as hard earned as currency without a balance of returns in revenue taxed accordingly. This ship will sink one way or another. Im not donating to charity, I guarantee they don't accept EBT.
Hey, you want Socialism?
Sell it to the people.
Otherwise fend for your family and be ready to stand up when the time comes. - 2 years ago
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Thethingis:
wealthy, hahahaha hard earned hahaha I didnt know you were a comedian
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CreditFigaro
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The only way out is to get the wealth back from the rich.
Productivity in the US has been skyrocketing over the last few decades... why not our incomes, too?
Any conservatives care to answer that question?
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CreditFigaro
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CreditFigaro:
Our incomes have skyrocketed over the last few decades, just not faster than the rate of inflation. In terms of purchasing power, 80+% of the country has been tricked into accepting no raises for the rest of their lives.
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DavidYates
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Well, now I feel better! It just goes to prove what I've been right all...oh, wait...
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Richard_Wyatt
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2 percent of the people polled were found living under a rock.
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Leen61
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Thanks for posting real news, figg. Nothing is getting better but the MSM don't want you to know that. The death of OBL isn't going to help the economy. When this economy falls, it will fall hard...if it hasn't already. We've been in a Depression for awhile already.
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Leen61
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A rising stock market does SQUAT . Except for the already insanely rich . Parasites on the ass of the working people . No we know it is a Depression . I see talking heads , trying to say otherwise , in direct conflict with REALITY .
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Suziqu
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It is the GREATEST DEPRESSION!!! It's the media that normally wants to gloss over it, so thank you for the article.
I am in real estate and the market is still declining, where's the bottom? Who knows but I don't believe any of the experts anymore. - 2 years ago
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Suziqu:
Yup, I'm looking to buy a house right now & I'm thinking I should wait. Everything I'm looking at, the price just keeps dropping. I'm just waiting for the bottom.
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Suziqu
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floydyboy:
great deals out there...I keep wondering if they're going to start giving houses away soon in some areas!
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floydyboy:
Stay out of Hyannis! More and more ghetto everyday.
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lionessgrrl:
Oh yeah, I haven't been up that way in months. Mashpee hasn't really been too nice lately either though. Too many Damn pillheads out here.
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floydyboy:
Dennis and below seem to be okay still. I'm in Yport and haven't noticed any drive- bys, or crack houses nearby.
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lionessgrrl:
I don't know. They're everywhere out here. It's sad. My ex is from Dennis & I hear she's doin heroin these days.
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kennymotown
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We have been in a Corporate shit storm for so long I have little faith in getting the ship turned around!
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True its been a rough Gale and torrential rain but Oh Captain my Captain Ye know thine sun must shine the brighter for it! Aye?...
The new work in progress "Dead Men Tell No Tales" - 2 years ago
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figgdimension:
Very nice!
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kennymotown:
Or we bring them to thar marrow bones ... arghhh! painting w/lights off
"Dead man tell no tales" prelims #2 no lights uv charge GMFigg 2011 (unfinished) - 2 years ago
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figgdimension:
Very, very nice figg!
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BreadFan!!!
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see the link to the FDR museum its tight too
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Remember the 5th...
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figgdimension:
Cinco de Mayo! And you think Osama blurred the message on Sunday.
http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=817866280146&id=48d42ba27eab5...
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