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U.S. Senate Rejects Boehner's Plan

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Senate Democrats block Boehner debt ceiling plan after House approval
By Alan Silverleib and Tom Cohen, CNN
July 29, 2011 8:31 p.m. EDT



PART ONE...


Washington (CNN) -- Speaker John Boehner's plan to raise the nation's the debt ceiling and slash government spending narrowly passed the House on Friday and then was blocked by Senate Democrats, setting up a weekend of negotiations to seek a deal that would avoid a potential federal default next week.

The Senate vote was 59-41 to table the measure, which effectively kills it unless Democrats decide to bring it up again.

Earlier, Boehner's proposal was approved by the House in a sharply polarized 218-210 vote that was delayed by a day while the speaker rounded up support from wary tea party conservatives. No Democrats supported the measure, and 22 of the 240 members of the Republican majority also opposed it.

Even though it was blocked in the Senate, the Boehner plan now is the Republican negotiating position for hammering out a deal with congressional Democrats and President Barack Obama to avert a possible government default next week.


Friday's House vote was a critical test of Boehner's control over his tea party-infused GOP caucus. The speaker was forced to quell a right-wing revolt over the measure after a number of members complained that it doesn't do enough to shrink the size of government and stem the tide of Washington's red ink.

Boehner, R-Ohio, managed to sway several of those members by including a provision requiring congressional passage of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the debt ceiling can be extended through the end of 2012.

In his floor speech before the vote, Boehner called the proposal imperfect but necessary, and he criticized Obama and congressional Democrats for rejecting all deficit reduction measures passed by the House so far.

"We've tried to do our level best ... but some people continue to say no," Boehner said, adding: "I stuck my neck out a mile to try to get an agreement with the president of the United States."

His voice rising to a shout, Boehner continued to cheers and applause from fellow Republicans: "It is time for this administration and the other party across the aisle -- put something on the table. Tell us where you are."

Democratic leaders vehemently object both to the balanced budget amendment and the requirement of a second debt ceiling vote before the next election. They argue that reaching bipartisan agreement on another debt ceiling hike during an election year could be nearly impossible, and that short-term extensions of the limit could further destabilize the economy.

Earlier in the day, Obama urged Senate Democrats and Republicans to take the lead in the congressional deliberations.

Boehner's plan "has no chance of becoming law," Obama said. "The time for putting party first is over. The time for compromise on behalf of the American people is now. ... It's important for everybody to step up and show the leadership that the American people expect."

"This is not a situation where the two parties are miles apart," the president insisted. But "we are almost out of time."

Obama -- sleepless in recent nights due to the crisis, according to a senior administration official -- urged Americans to contact their members of Congress "to keep the pressure on Washington." Phone lines on Capitol Hill were jammed Friday as people from coast to coast tried to weigh in on the debate.

Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, has been pushing his own plan to raise the debt limit, though he will need to win over at least seven Senate Republicans to win the 60 votes necessary to overcome a certain filibuster.

Reid announced Friday morning that he intended to "take action" on a Senate bill by the end of the day. Later, he complained on the Senate floor that Republicans would effectively filibuster his proposal by requiring a 60-vote super-majority in the 100-member chamber to support the start of debate on it. It was unclear when Reid would attempt to hold that vote.


Reid also blasted Boehner's decision to include a mandatory balanced budget amendment provision in the GOP plan, calling the addition of "even more stuff in this right-wing leaning bill. ... It's really hard to comprehend."

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82 comments // U.S. Senate Rejects Boehner's Plan

  • coolplanet
  • EthicalVegan
  • freehit
    • +1
      freehit  
    • He stuck his neck out a mile....and there wasn't a guillotine in sight and breathed a sigh of relief. Maybe next time boner, maybe next time.

    • 10 months ago
  • Theoldliberal
    • +3
      Theoldliberal  
    • I believe that the Tea Party folks in the house DO NOT KNOW THEIR ASS FROM THEIR ELBOW!. They really think that a default is no problem and they do not care if they force one. So get ready it's going to be fun the only consolation is that the rich who created these idiots are going to be right there with us. They put them in office and now they can't control them.

    • 10 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
  • RonRoni
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      RonRoni  
    • This is all show, they are plying good cop bad cop and are after our (Social Security) retirement money. Social Security supposes to have $2.6 Trillion Dollars surplus but politicians (Republicans and Democrats) use the money for other programs than our retirement. Now Obama is going to cut our Social Security benefit which did not cause the deficit.
      They are basically raising Taxes on Middle Class by cutting our Social Security and Medicare (cutting our benefits and giving us less of our money that we put in to the system is same as taxing us), but they are not closing the tax loopholes for the Super Rich and corporations.
      Obama can sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling. But he is not doing that because he wants to reduce our Social Security benefit. Obama with the help of Republican and Tea Party are not talking about Corporate Welfares and super Richs taxes any more only cuts which come from our SS is on the table. Getting rid of tax loopholes and taxing the super rich is out. After Bush, Obama, Republicans and Democrats give our money to Big Banks, Wall Street and Super Rich and made the greatest transfer of wealth to the top that this country has ever experienced and raised the deficit now they are telling us we do not have any money and they have to cut all our safety nets.
      The Super Rich and Big Corporations, with the help of Corporate owned Republicans and Democrats, (Yes REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS) are giving tax cuts and tax loopholes to the rich and corporations. They are not only not paying taxes, they are getting REFUNDS (Corporate Welfare). GE which made Billion of Dollars in 2010 not only did not pay almost any taxes but got $3.5 Billion refund and Obama asked his CEO to help him get rid of regulations to help Corporations more. Oil Companies are receiving $10 billion refunds every year.
      Obama is wolf in sheep clothing. So far he done exactly opposite of his campaign promises or he did not do what he told us during his campaign. President Obama is worse than any Republican Presidents. Republican Presidents could not pass this give away Health Care to Insurance companies that Obama passed, or touched OUR Social Security or Medicare, Democrats would stop them but this Trojan Horse is passing these awful legislations and Democrats is not doing anything.
      Politicians and Major Medias which owned by Big Corporations are just putting a show for us again.
      What a joke.

    • 10 months ago
  • cmc101
  • eden49
    • +5
      eden49  
    • ...bloody hell, my eyes are hangin' out of their sockets watchin' all this from down under...all this bloody "perimeter pissin'"...and stubborness by "cry me a river"...sure hope it gets sorted, EV...the world is on tenderhooks...

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
  • GRC54
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      GRC54  
    • Remember this. this crisis was also caused by the likes ot The Coch brothers, Dick Armey and his bunch of billion dollar ass hats and the great
      Turd Blossom and the rest of the billion dollar ass hats as well as many other traitors who are afraid to show their faces.
      The Tea baggin fools are being taken for a ride because those ass hats don't care about any tea baggin pol because they can be bought and sold any time.

    • 10 months ago
  • teacherdave
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      teacherdave  
    • Did he cry? I did hear him quiver. My goodness.He stuck his neck out.He sure did,
      but not with the minority party.He is pissed that he now has to deal with these psychos. I don't like giving good advice to the republicans but in this case we all benefit so here it goes. "It 's so easy a republican do it.", cave men nearby may explain, if they don't understand. Tell those tea party folk, "Go and have intercourse with yourself.

    • 10 months ago
  • hurleyburly
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      hurleyburly  
    • Boehners panicked speech was my favorite hissy fit to date. I was hoping for tears..but, they might be yet to come. The Senate is attempting to pass a bill that is acceptable to D's and R's alike. The problem still being the 'Alice' mad hatters tparty in the house. Nothing will pass thru the house..nothing. The question will be..will Obama drop the 14th to save us from ourselves?...Or does the house realize what a mockery they've made...and bend to the will of the majority?...or does it stay the spurned bully and blow rasberries at everyone who does not agree with him?

    • 10 months ago
  • hoosierdaddy
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      hoosierdaddy  
    • A panicked, desperate looking man comes thundering at top speed into a small village in the country. He wheels his mount to a halt just in front of a small, curious group of men. The out-of-breath rider says to the villagers, "have you seen a large, unwashed mob and if so which way did they go?" The villagers say no, they haven't, but ask why he would go in search of such a thing. "I must find them," says the rider. "I am their leader."

    • 10 months ago
  • artemis6
  • peazful1
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      peazful1  
    • Why in the world do we expect our politicians to fix the debt crisis when its these very same politicians who created it in the first place?

      Who benefits if the US defaults? One result will be higher interest rates. Who benefits from higher interest rates?

    • 10 months ago
  • SIBob
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      SIBob  
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    • I hope the Democrats in the Senate remain strong, but the best we can hope for is another “compromise”, which will involve heavy cuts. They will have to “settle” some time, and that settlement will involve more caving in from Democrats to at least a part of the Republican agenda. What a shame that is. Instead of having a progressive agenda to offset the right-wing platform, where the two parties could meet in the middle, the Democrats are forced to placate the crybaby Tea Party zealots, as there is no “fire-in-the-belly” of most liberal Democrats, who are beholden to corporate donors.
      http://sibob.org/wordpress/

    • 10 months ago
  • dinm76
    • +5
      dinm76  
    • I don't think I have ever seen such an appropreate analogy for current events then, 'rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic'!
      The poor, the old and the sick are the ones locked below decks while the first -class are still ordering drinks in the lounge!

    • 10 months ago
  • nikonwilly
    • +2
      nikonwilly  
    • This is a smoke screen for something else....our government can not be trusted and will stoop to deceitful tactics ...something isn't right with this dog and pony show!
      Ridiculous conditions to live under, this is far beyond any reasonable debate the two side should have ...these people are disgusting.

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +3
      EthicalVegan  
    • Public Citizen Email...

      Washington is in the grip of a fever. It’s hard to find a word other than lunacy to describe what’s going on.

      We are veering toward potential economic catastrophe.

      And Congress is hung up on a debate that shouldn’t be occurring. It is debating an imaginary problem that conjures scary future scenarios but ignores dire existing circumstances. The consensus proffered solution to the imaginary problem would damage our country and further weaken our economy.

      Democrats and Republicans are at loggerheads, but they are disagreeing primarily about how much harm they want to impose. That’s a very consequential disagreement, but it ignores the fact that we don’t need to impose any harm at all.

      Let’s correct some of the upside-down components of the current debate.

      1. There should not be a debate over increasing the nation’s debt ceiling.

      Prior approval of increases — more than 100 — have been routine, and this time should be no different. Raising the debt ceiling merely authorizes the U.S. government to make good on spending previously authorized by Congress.

      It is true that Republicans in Congress signaled some time ago that they would not easily agree to another increase in the debt ceiling. That’s why Democrats should have passed an increase in the last Congress, a move they declined to make because of fear of electoral consequences. At very least, the administration should have insisted on increasing the debt ceiling as a condition of agreeing to the December 2010 deal to extend the Bush tax cuts.

      2. The government should be running larger, not smaller, deficits.

      The country has not recovered from the Great Recession. One in six people who would like a full-time job are unable to find one. We don’t have to worry about hard times coming sometime in the future — we are living in hard times right now!

      To fuel a stalled economy and put people back to work, the U.S. government should be spending more money. This is basic Keynesian economics. It shouldn’t be controversial.

      State governments are starved for cash, and laying off thousands of teachers, librarians, fire fighters and police. If the federal government gave the states block grants, they could keep people employed, and keep delivering needed services. Our country, and our economy, would be stronger.

      Much of the country is suffering through a summer of staggering heat waves. This should be an urgent reminder of the need to take radical action to mitigate catastrophic climate change. Especially with so many people out of work, the government should be spending money to employ people to retrofit buildings around the country and to invest in R&D on solar and wind energy.

      And, of course, there is no shortage of other pressing needs to which people can be put to work.

      By contrast, cutting spending right now will worsen our very severe economic crisis, and push more people out of work.

      3. Our economic problems are present, not future.

      It is both bewildering and unconscionable that pontificating politicians and pundits express so much concern for imagined future economic problems while ignoring the real and present suffering that pervades the country.

      There is also some very fuzzy math that takes over the discussion. If it continues to grow economically, and if it makes wise investments, the country is going to be significantly richer in the years and decades ahead. We’re not going to be poorer, irrespective of the size of the national debt.

      4. It’s actually not very hard to find a few trillion dollars.

      To say that the debt ceiling debate shouldn’t be taking place, and that we should be running larger deficits, is not to say there aren’t appropriate areas of the budget to cut, and appropriate revenue streams to tap.

      On the spending side, among many other things, we could:

      Save more than a trillion dollars over 10 years by ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      Cut more than $500 billion from the Department of Defense budget by replacing private contractors and eliminating weapons systems the Pentagon says it does not need. Hundreds of billions of more in savings are available through modest cuts at DoD. The United States would still have, by far, the world’s largest military. A very modest proposal from the Congressional Progressive Caucus totals $2.3 trillion in savings over 10 years through ending the wars and cutting the Defense budget.

      Save more than $150 billion in pharmaceutical costs just by negotiating better prices with Big Pharma. More aggressive moves to fix the broken pharmaceutical development system could offer savings far larger, with the government obtaining a significant portion of well over a trillion dollars in savings on pharmaceutical expenditures over 10 years.

      On the revenue side, among many other things, we could:

      Tax Wall Street speculation and raise between $1 trillion and $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

      End offshore tax haven abuses, and raise a trillion dollars over the next decade.

      Close corporate tax loopholes. By way of illustration, getting rid of just two large breaks, deferral of overseas revenue and accelerated depreciation, would raise about $700 billion. The Treasury Department lists $365 billion in corporate tax breaks being gifted annually — that’s $3.65 trillion over the 10-year period talked about in these debt debates! Thanks to all the loopholes and escapes, corporations are benefiting from record low tax rates — 21% on average (this is what they are actually paying, not the nominal rate). For a handful, the tax system is a source of revenue. Citizens for Tax Justice looked at 12 major companies that together made $171 billion in profits from 2008-2010 and found that the dozen companies together paid negative $2.5 billion in taxes, thanks to $62 billion in tax subsidies.

      Tax capital gains as ordinary income, and raise $1 trillion.

      Many of these and other sensible budget ideas are included in the Congressional Progressive Caucus’s People’s Budget.

      A key thing to keep in mind about all these savings and increased revenue is that they should be ploughed back into public investments and public priorities. We need more net spending, not less. Over time, we need to reduce the deficit, but much of that will occur automatically, as the country moves back to fuller employment and more robust growth.

      We do not need to touch, nor should we touch, Medicare or Medicaid. Nor should we tamper with Social Security, which is financed separately from the rest of the federal budget and has nothing to do with the debt.

      It’s impossible at this point to know how the debt ceiling debate is going to play out. It’s also highly uncertain what happens if the U.S. government defaults — catastrophe may follow, or it may not.

      What is certain is that irrationality is ruling the day.

      It’s past time to leave behind this orchestrated and false crisis. Our country faces a legion of real and serious problems. It’s time we got to work taking them on.

      Onward,
      Robert Weissman
      President, Public Citizen

    • 10 months ago
  • dinm76
    • +3
      dinm76  
    • EthicalVegan:

      Just to add to your list...instead of raising the retirement age to 67 how about LOWERING the retirement age to 62? That would clear the way for younger people for those jobs.
      That suggestion would make the republicans boil over.

    • 10 months ago
  • SFirman
    • +1
      SFirman  
    • dinm76:

      I agree with you. I have often wondered why raise the retirement age when so many young people need those jobs. They are the future of our country. Never thought of lowering it. Sounds good.

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +4
      EthicalVegan  
    • http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/30/opinion/its-up-to-the-senate.html?hp

      The New York Times...

      Editorial...

      .

      July 29, 2011

      It’s Up to the Senate

      It was hard to imagine that the House bill to raise the debt limit, and slash and burn the economy, could get any worse. But on Friday it did.

      The bill, which narrowly passed the House with 218 Republican votes and none from Democrats, would allow the government to keep borrowing only until November or December and then require both the Senate and the House to pass a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the limit could be raised again.

      That’s right, in a bid to win over his recalcitrant caucus, Speaker John Boehner agreed to go through all of this again in just a few months — and then hold the country hostage to passing an amendment that will never get the two-thirds of each chamber that it would need. The bill was, as it should have been, promptly dismissed by the Senate.

      Now the only hope left for avoiding default on Tuesday is for the Senate to piece together a compromise that can pass with bipartisan majorities in both chambers. It will undoubtedly cut far too much, at a time when the economy can’t afford it. It will contain no needed revenue increases and could still trigger a downgrade. But it would eliminate the imminent threat of financial chaos.

      For six months, House leaders catered to their Tea Party members, perhaps hoping that they could turn them to a reasonable path, or at least count on their votes in a clinch. That wish crumbled on Thursday night. At least two dozen Republicans, mostly freshmen, adamantly refused Mr. Boehner’s pleas to support his bill — his last shot at keeping the House’s positions relevant.

      Instead of worsening the bill, Mr. Boehner could have negotiated with Democrats to construct one with a chance of resolving the standoff and passing in the Senate. But concerned largely with preserving his position, he gave in to the very lawmakers who have been insisting for weeks that the Obama administration is lying about the coming default. That argument alone should have given him pause about giving in to their demands.

      The Senate quickly tabled the revised House bill. The legislation being prepared by Harry Reid, the majority leader, would raise the debt ceiling through March 2013. That avoids another showdown, and potential meltdown, in the middle of the crucial retail shopping period and at the start of the presidential campaign cycle, when Washington will be even less open to rational compromise.

      The bill would cut the deficit by about $2.4 trillion over the next decade. Unlike the House bill, it spares Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security from benefit cuts, and counts the drawdown of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan as part of its savings, easing the burden on domestic programs. Unfortunately, it surrenders to the unrealistic Republican demand of no new revenues, cutting too much spending at a time when the economy is still in serious need of government help.

      Mr. Reid is negotiating with Republicans on their demands for an enforcement mechanism to make sure the deficit cuts take place in the later years of the deal. Both parties envision a bipartisan panel that could recommend cuts; if those are not adopted, some kind of automatic cuts would go into effect. This automatic knife can be dangerous, arbitrarily cutting without regard to economic circumstances. Democrats should insist that taxes and revenues are not ruled out as a way to lower the deficit.

      The House planned a deliberately obstructionist vote on Saturday against the Reid bill, but some Senate Republicans are signaling they are willing to agree to this more reasonable framework. If enough of them can join the Democrats and ignore the bleats of the Tea Party, it may still be possible to avert calamity.

      .

    • 10 months ago
  • SFirman
  • EthicalVegan
    • +4
      EthicalVegan  
    • Image
    • Global Public Square...

      World Reacts to U.S. Debt Crisis

      http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/29/how-the-world-sees-the-u-s-de...

      CNN...

      July 29th, 2011
      04:36 PM ET

      World reacts to U.S. debt crisis

      An editorial and op-ed round-up from the world's English language newspapers.

      .

      SAUDI ARABIA—“[I]nternational markets are becoming increasingly nervous about the fate of the dollar, the world’s only reserve currency and in times past a haven for anxious investors,” says an editorial in the Jeddah-based Arab News.

      “Saudi Arabia is paid in dollars for its oil. Our currency is tied to the dollar. The Kingdom has approximately 2 trillion invested abroad, the greater part of it in the United States. The value of those investments, the value of our oil earnings and the value of our currency are all under threat as politicians in Washington grandstand for their constituents and argue bitterly from two utterly polarized positions.”

      .

      AUSTRALIA—““Had Australia – or any other country – tried to build up debt on the U.S. scale, their currencies would immediately have been punished and their folly quickly exposed, ” says an editorial in the Sidney Morning Herald.

      "That has not happened to Washington. The arrival of what might, following Paul Keating, be called the United States' banana republic moment has been long delayed, and the delay will make the shock of it worse.”

      .

      CANADA—“For the U.S. to begin defaulting on its obligations would be catastrophic, not just for Americans, but for all those who depend on U.S. stability and leadership,” says an editorial in the Toronto-based Globe and Mail.

      “The power the U.S. exercises on the world stage comes largely from its economic strength. Default would demonstrate the U.S.’s inability to meet its commitments. In addition to the economic consequences, that could lead to a loss of its moral authority in international affairs – and that would be a very bad thing.”

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      UNITED ARAB EMIRATES—“While the U.S. is used to the spectacle of noisy squabbles in Congress, the current game of chicken at the heart of the world's leading economy is unsettling to say the least,” writes Alan Philips in the Abu Dhabi-based National.

      “In past years, the raising of the U.S. debt ceiling has been treated as a technical issue to be nodded through by Congress. But this year the ideological battles lines are drawn between those who demand cuts, and those who see borrowing yet more money as the only way. But there is another point of view which is gaining attention. This view holds that there is nothing exceptional going on here. Rather, the progress of liberal democracies from affluence to the brink of bankruptcy – and beyond – is normal, and indeed inevitable.”

      .

      CHINA—“When countries across the world hold breath watching the debt negotiations between the Democrats and Republicans in Washington, they are once again ‘kidnapped’ by U.S. domestic politics,” writes Deng Yushan in China’s government-run Xinhua.

      “Given the United States' status as the world's largest economy and the issuer of the dominant international reserve currency, such political brinkmanship in Washington is dangerously irresponsible, for it risks, among other consequences, strangling the still fragile economic recovery of not only the United States but also the world as a whole.”

      .

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +3
      EthicalVegan  
    • http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/07/29/exp.bts.sen.reid.debt.vote.cnn?hpt=hp_t1

      VIDEO OF HARRY REID...

      Sen. Reid: 'We're headed for disaster'

      Added on July 29, 2011

      Sen. Harry Reid says that unless there is bipartisan support for a debt plan, the country's economic future is uncertain

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +6
      EthicalVegan  
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    • http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/08/01/110801ta_talk_surowiecki

      The New Yorker...

      Smash the Ceiling

      by James Surowiecki
      August 1, 2011

      In the past few years, the U.S. economy has been beset by the subprime meltdown, skyrocketing oil prices, the Eurozone debt crisis, and even the Tohoku earthquake. Now it’s staring at a new problem—a failure to raise the debt ceiling, which would almost certainly throw the economy back into recession. Unlike those other problems, however, this one would be wholly of our own making. If the economy suffers as a result, it’ll be what a soccer fan might call the biggest own goal in history.

      The truth is that the United States doesn’t need, and shouldn’t have, a debt ceiling. Every other democratic country, with the exception of Denmark, does fine without one. There’s no debt limit in the Constitution. And, if Congress really wants to hold down government debt, it already has a way to do so that doesn’t risk economic chaos—namely, the annual budgeting process. The only reason we need to lift the debt ceiling, after all, is to pay for spending that Congress has already authorized. If the debt ceiling isn’t raised, we’ll face an absurd scenario in which Congress will have ordered the President to execute two laws that are flatly at odds with each other. If he obeys the debt ceiling, he cannot spend the money that Congress has told him to spend, which is why most government functions will be shut down. Yet if he spends the money as Congress has authorized him to he’ll end up violating the debt ceiling.

      As it happens, the debt ceiling, which was adopted in 1917, did have a purpose once—it was a way for Congress to keep the President accountable. Congress used to exercise only loose control over the government budget, and the President was able to borrow money and spend money with little legislative oversight. But this hasn’t been the case since 1974; Congress now passes comprehensive budget resolutions that detail exactly how the government will tax and spend, and the Treasury Department borrows only the money that Congress allows it to. (It’s why TARP, for instance, required Congress to pass a law authorizing the Treasury to act.) This makes the debt ceiling an anachronism. These days, the debt limit actually makes the President less accountable to Congress, not more: if the ceiling isn’t raised, it’s President Obama who will be deciding which bills get paid and which don’t, with no say from Congress.

      One argument you hear for having a debt ceiling is that it’s useful as what the political theorist Jon Elster calls a “precommitment device”—a way of keeping ourselves from acting recklessly in the future, like Ulysses protecting himself from the Sirens by having himself bound to the mast. As precommitment devices go, however, the debt limit is both too weak and too strong. It’s too weak because Congress can simply vote to lift it, as it has done more than seventy times in the past fifty years. But it’s too strong because its negative consequences (default, higher interest rates, financial turmoil) are disastrously out of proportion to the behavior it’s trying to regulate. For the U.S. to default now, when investors are happily lending it money at exceedingly reasonable rates, would be akin to shooting yourself in the head for failing to follow your diet.

      Advocates of the ceiling like the way it turns the national debt into front-page news, focussing the minds of voters and politicians; they think it fosters accountability, straight talk, transparency. In reality, debt-ceiling votes merely perpetuate the illusion that balancing the budget is easy. That’s why politicians like the debt ceiling: it allows them to rail against borrowing more money (which voters hate) without having to vote to cut any specific programs or raise taxes (which voters also hate).

      You might think that there are benefits to putting negotiators under the gun. But, as the Dutch psychologist Carsten de Dreu has shown, time pressure tends to close minds, not open them. Under time pressure, negotiators tend to rely more on stereotypes and cognitive shortcuts. They don’t consider as wide a range of alternatives, and are more likely to jump to conclusions based on scanty evidence. Time pressure also reduces the chances that an agreement will be what psychologists call “integrative”—taking everyone’s interests and values into account.

      In fact, by turning dealmaking into a game of chicken, the debt ceiling favors fanaticism. As the economist Thomas Schelling showed many years ago, “It does not always help to be, or to be believed to be, fully rational, coolheaded, and in control of oneself” when it comes to brinksmanship. It doesn’t, in short, help to be President Obama. That may be why all the deals that have been taken seriously this season rely much more heavily on spending cuts than on tax increases: the deals represent Republican priorities, because the Republicans seem to be more willing than the Democrats to let the country default. It’s not pure craziness that’s rewarded—when some congressional Tea Partiers said that they wouldn’t vote to raise the ceiling under any circumstances, they became irrelevant to the conversation, since no compromise would make them happy. But recklessness does equal power: that’s why Eric Cantor, the House Majority Leader, and John Boehner, the Speaker of the House, have implied that they’re willing to go over the cliff (in part by suggesting that their fellow party members will force them to) but also that they can be persuaded to do the right thing.

      We may nonetheless end up with a halfway sensible budget deal. But that would be the result of luck, not design. Instead of figuring out ways to raise the debt ceiling, we should simply go ahead and abolish it. The U.S. economy has plenty of real problems to deal with. We shouldn’t have to wrestle with ones we’ve created for ourselves. ♦

      ILLUSTRATION: CHRISTOPH NIEMANN

      Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/08/01/110801ta_talk_surowiecki#ixzz...

    • 10 months ago
  • northernexpat
  • EthicalVegan
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      EthicalVegan  
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    • http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2011/07/30/house_passes_bo...

      The Boston Globe...

      DEFAULT DEADLINE CLOSES IN
      The Boston Globe
      A crisis of credit, credibility

      Along partisan lines, House passes debt ceiling bill, which Senate shelves; pressure for compromise builds

      The deficit-reduction plan that Speaker John Boehner struggled to get through the House was quickly rejected by the Senate last night. The deficit-reduction plan that Speaker John Boehner struggled to get through the House was quickly rejected by the Senate last night. (Yuri Gripas/Reuters)

      By Donovan Slack and Theo Emery
      Globe Staff / July 30, 2011

      WASHINGTON - Resolution of the federal debt ceiling stalemate shifted to a new stage last night as the House approved Speaker John Boehner’s $917 billion deficit-reduction plan along narrow partisan lines. The focus now is on the Senate, which promptly tabled the Boehner bill, and on the ability of its majority leader, Democrat Harry Reid, to forge a compromise bill that can pass in both chambers before Tuesday, when the government is expected to be without enough money to meet its obligations.

      After two failed attempts to overcome conservative Republican opposition to his plan, Boehner finally corralled enough votes by agreeing to link future debt-limit increases to passage of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, a near impossibility in the current political environment because it would require a two-thirds majority of both houses. Also, because the Boehner bill increases the debt limit by just $900 billion, the government would need another increase early next year, a sticking point with President Obama and Senate Democrats, who want no further debt ceiling battles until after the 2012 election. The House passed the bill by a thin margin, 218-210, with no Democrats backing the plan.

      “It is time for our colleagues across the aisle to tell us what they’re for. Tell us how we can end this crisis,’’ Boehner said.

      Reid blasted the plan, and the Senate wasted no time in voting to shelve it.

      “The Republican plan is not a solution,’’ Reid said. “As experts say, all too soon we would be back in the midst of partisan wrangling with our economy once again held prisoner by extremists in the Republican Party, led by the Tea Party.’’

      Discussion turned once again yesterday to some type of grand compromise that would require the support of Republicans and Democrats in both houses in order to pass without the votes of the staunchly conservative House freshmen and likeminded senators.

      “What’s clear now is any solution to avoid default must be bipartisan,’’ Obama said at the White House yesterday morning. “It must have the support of both parties that were sent here to represent the American people, not just one faction. It will have to have the support of both the House and the Senate.’’

      The burden is on Reid, who will have to patch together a compromise with ideas from the various plans he and others have floated. He said yesterday that he is willing to include Republican ideas, including a vote on a balanced budget amendment, although he did not say he would link it to future debt-limit increases.

      “I say to my Republican colleagues in the Senate, do the right thing. Put the interests of the country ahead of the Tea Party extremists - they’re the ones driving it,’’ Reid said.

      Reid released the framework for a possible compromise last night, which was taken mainly from a measure he had proposed earlier to cut spending by $2.2 trillion while raising the debt ceiling by $2.4 trillion, enough to cover spending until 2013. It also incorporates parts of a plan from Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, which allows the president to raise the borrowing limit in stages without congressional authority.

      Senator Scott Brown, a Massachusetts Republican, indicated yesterday that he is open to a compromise measure.

      “As I’ve said before, I don’t really care if it’s a Democrat bill or a Republican bill,’’ he said in an interview, noting that his key requirements are not raising taxes, averting default, and instituting serious spending cuts.

      Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, said he believes the Reid compromise will be “reasonable,’’ but he was uncertain about its prospects in the House.

      “We’ll debate it, and ultimately I hope we can find a critical mass in the Senate that can pass it,’’ he said. “I think it’ll be up to the House whether they want to default the country.’’

      In an impassioned speech on the House floor, Boehner said he had done all he could to try to “find a common-sense solution that could pass both houses of Congress and end this crisis.’’

      “We tried to do the right thing by our country, but some people continue to say no,’’ he said.

      Just before the House vote, Representative James Lankford, a freshman Republican from Oklahoma, said that a balanced budget amendment is central to why voters sent him and other conservative GOP freshmen to the House last fall.

      A balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, aside from passage in both chambers, would require ratification by three-quarters of the states.

      Supporters say 49 of 50 states are required to balance their budgets and the federal government should be forced to as well. But opponents say such a requirement would hamper the federal government’s ability to respond to emergencies, such as terrorist attacks, natural disasters, and wars.

      “There is no fix for a budget debt bigger than a balanced budget amendment,’’ Lankford said. “That doesn’t resolve it today, but that does put a future hope out there once that gets in place that we’re actually going to fix this.’’

      Representative James McGovern, a Massachusetts Democrat, had some particularly harsh words about the balanced budget amendment and took to the House floor yesterday to urge colleagues to reject more partisan bickering.

      “Enough of the press releases, enough of the theatrics, enough of the political stunts,’’ he said. “I urge you to reject this and get back to the negotiating table and avert an economic crisis.’’

      In an interview later he said the new Boehner plan was “even more right wing than the proposal they pulled from the floor [Thursday] night.’’

      Representative Barney Frank said he was dumbfounded by Boehner’s kowtowing to his party’s right wing and said he believes it has weakened the speaker’s authority considerably.

      “I’ve never seen a leader this weak - of either party,’’ said Frank, a House member since 1981. “He’s had to keep giving in.’’

      Treasury officials declined to release details yesterday about what the agency plans to do if Congress cannot reach a deal by Tuesday, when they predict the country won’t have enough money to pay all its bills, including Social Security and veterans benefits.

      Obama urged citizens to press their elected representatives in Congress to sign on to a compromise, warning “we are now running out of time.’’

      Still, the president sounded a confident note.

      “For all the intrigue and all the drama that’s taking place on Capitol Hill right now, I’m confident that common sense and cooler heads will prevail,’’ he said.

    • 10 months ago
  • Georgia_Jim
    • +4
      Georgia_Jim  
    • EthicalVegan:

      Corpoerations and the rich control American, and it is starting to look like they control Obama as well!!!! Why would a Dem President want to cut Social Security and Medicare just to make a deal!!!! I have never heard of a Dem President wanting to do this until now!!!! I really hope I am wrong about all this coruption in our government that is against the American people and only care about profit!!!!

    • 10 months ago
  • northernexpat
  • dinm76
    • +2
      dinm76  
    • Georgia_Jim:

      The republicans were slated to lose every election for the next 40 years after ACTUALLY voting to kill medicare and social security. WHY Obama followed them over that same cliff is beyond me! And don't tell me it was because of some sort of 'clever poker move on his part". That was the dumbest thing he could have ever done and people will never forget the 'first democratic president to NOT support those programs'.

    • 10 months ago
  • SFirman
    • +1
      SFirman  
    • Georgia_Jim:

      There's no doubt corperations and the rich are the one's that benefit the most. I don't believe this holds true with Obama. He doesn't want to cut benefits from SS and Medicare. While dealing with Boner he put them on the table along with letting the Bush tax cuts to expire. He knew the Bush tax cuts would never go over with Boner and Boner could never sell this to the teaparty house.

    • 10 months ago
  • Georgia_Jim
  • SFirman
  • tverdell
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
    • +8
      Johnny_Los_Angeles  
    • The scariest thing on the news today, and there were many, was video of the teabaggers in D.C. This bunch of ignorant raving lunatics have got every single thing one of their beliefs 100% wrong!

      Here are few key ones:

      1. Tea fiction: They believe that Obama is solely responsible for the current debt problem. Truth: Obama has only spent about 1.3 trillion on the recovery act, about 7.5 trillion was spent by Bush II. We were making more money than we were spending under Clinton and if left alone his polices would have erased the current debt by now.

      2. Tea fiction: Raising the debt limit is giving Obama a blank check to spend even more money. Truth: completely incorrect, The governments monthly revenue from taxes and other sources is only $175 billion, the current bills it pays out which was determined by congress over the last 100 yrs comes to about $302 billion a month, and includes social security, medicare, medicaid, veterans pay, military contractors, paying the interest on the debt, pay to military personnel and their families etc etc. All raising the debt limit does is allow us to pay bills we have already promised to pay and NOT for any new spending.

      3. Tea fiction: That over spending is the sole reason we are in debt and not taxes. Truth: Its just the opposite its a reduction in income from taxes which are lower now than they have been in decades that has caused a loss in revenue along with a slowed economy. And again the only over spending was done by Bush II.

      4. Tea fiction: its ok to default it wont be the end of the u.s. economy. Truth: this is wrong, This will cause our credit rating to drop for the first time in history raising interest rates on everything including mortgages, car loans and credit cards. It will probably remove the dollar for the first time in history as the currency the world uses and replace us with China as the number one country. And will throw the economies of 3/4 of the world into a spin causing a global depression the likes of which we have never seen. And a side note NONE repeat NONE of the GOP debt bills will prevent this default!

      5. Tea Fiction: Reverting taxes to a previous higher level will mean taxes will be higher for all including the teabaggers. Truth: Again totally false, Before Reagan Taxes on the very rich were as high as 50% now they are only 18% for the very rich I mean those that make over $250,000 a year, and including those that make millions or billions, but for the middle class working people their rate is 29%!! This means that most employees pay almost twice what their boss does in taxes!! All the Democrats are trying to is allow the Bush II tax cuts to expire this will affect only those making over $250,000. Everyone else's taxes will NOT repeat NOT increase!

      And what is more scary than the fact I have just pointed out here that the teabaggers are completely 100% wrong in every way about what they believe? Is that most of the new GOP republicans are in their pockets and are so afraid of their "masters" that got them into office that they either believe all these insane lies or are just going along with it. And are willing to do so to the point of taking the whole country and the world down with them.

      Why did this happen? I think its because the real people in power the billionaires are using the moronic teabaggers because they too do not want to pay more for taxes and dont care about the poor or if the poor are living the gutter with no social systems that were put in place after the last depression to offer some humanity to the suffering.

      Clearly the American experiment is in jeopardy of failing this week for the first in a threat greater than 9/11, WWII, the great depression, WWI, the civil war, because as Lincoln said, "if destruction be our lot, it must come from within". Ironically it may be the 14 amendment created in Lincoln's time to protect the union from those within it trying to destroy it that might just save us at the final hour if Obama is courageous enough to invoke it.

      A great many of the very people who are in D.C. and are running our government are guilty of treason against the Constitution.

    • 10 months ago
  • DudleyDooleft
    • +3
      DudleyDooleft  
    • Johnny_Los_Angeles:

      Well said Johnny L A, and thanks for saying it! It is my contention that from the outset, the tea bagger movement has been simply the more radical mouthpiece for the Republican Party. They are nothing more or less than a tool being used by wealthy right-wing extremists to dismantle all semblances of the American dream down to its core, basic human rights, and for no other reason than plutocratic greed. The baggers are puppet republicans of the republican puppets! They do not deserve the respect or considerations one might give someone that is capable of independent thought. My point, is to not separate the tea party from the main stream conservatives, that is to say, it is not a different ideology, the tea baggers are just using a bigger megaphone.

    • 10 months ago
  • northernexpat
    • +6
      northernexpat  
    • Now we have to wait for McConnell to have his little temper tandrum saying he will not negotiate with Reid, only the President. What nerve the GOP have. In the meantime he has said he will fillibuster Reid's bill, which Reid changed to include things McConnell wanted. I say make him actually fillibuster. Make him stand in the Senate and speak until he his hoarse. Then threaten the nuculear option like the GOP did in order to get Roberts confirmed to the Supreme Court. The nuculear option will then prevent the Senate from ever fillibustering again. Maybe if they actually used it they could get something done to put the country back on track before it's too late.

      The GOP holding the country hostage until they get their way is treason and against the Constitution, which they so love to quote. You cannot use these tactics and it is time the Democrats start playing hardball and call these traitors out for what they are.

      I don't know about the rest of you but I am sick to death of having this minority faction in the country called the 'tea party' holding the country and virtually the world hostage to push their own extreme right wing agenda. In a democracy majority rules not minority.

      McConnell said that the GOP's number one priority this year is to make Obama a one term President. If the American voters rewards the GOP in 2012 for these tactics then the country will lose. It will lose medicare, medicaid, and social security, because they have been trying to kill them since they were enacted. So if you care about these programs remember what they will do it they regain power in 2012.

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +6
      EthicalVegan  
    • northernexpat:

      "I don't know about the rest of you but I am sick to death of having this minority faction in the country called the 'tea party' holding the country and virtually the world hostage to push their own extreme right wing agenda. In a democracy majority rules not minority."

      In total (frustrated) agreement!

    • 10 months ago
  • tverdell
  • supermanrico
    • +5
      supermanrico  
    • Reid is completely right. The republican plan if approved as it is, will dismantle medicare, medicaid, and social security. I voted for the democrats to STOP this criminal agenda. Do not cave in!!. even if we go on default. if this happens even the corporations and rich people are going to pay more in interest and their profit will go way down. At the end everything of this is worth it to preserve those programs!!.

    • 10 months ago
  • tlbuffin
  • cherry5000
  • northernexpat
    • +4
      northernexpat  
    • tlbuffin:

      Too bad you didn't put what they were saying in the balloons over their heads. I could think of a few choice ones. Let's see - Boehner is saying "But they love me, they really love me." Cantor is saying "I'm the next Speaker of the House." The other's are saying "Sucker."

    • 10 months ago
  • tlbuffin
  • northernexpat
  • Wyley_Wombat
  • ThirdSection
  • EthicalVegan
  • HAllenld
    • +5
      HAllenld  
    • So not What Happen, How did we get here. Why is there so much gridlock in Washington, This is not what I voted for. I voted for the President because he said that: he would change Washington, He would have an open government, he would create jobs and get America back to work and reduce the unemployment rate, he has done nothing that he said.
      Well there is only one answer to all of this, that will explain to the common thinking man or woman, where and when the problem started.

      Mitch McConnell said to the National Journal's Major Garrett on Oct. 29, 2010: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." his single most important goal is to guarantee a one-term Obama presidency

      Unquestionably this has been the goal of the Grand Obstructionist Party (GOP) from the very first day of the Obama presidency. At every turn, the Republican Party, which is now tantamount to the Conservative Party, has blocked, obstructed and otherwise sought to ensure that President Obama would fail. Rabid radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh said as much. And, to galvanize Conservative opposition to the President’s health care reform bill, South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint openly urged his colleagues to make this issue Obama’s “Waterloo.”

      And, to galvanize Conservative opposition to the President's health care reform bill, South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint openly urged his colleagues to make this issue Obama's "Waterloo." So with the rank and file marching alone in lock step has tried to block, hamper, hold up jobs bills in the house,(you see they want the economy to stay bad, at the expense of American workers. But its not just Obama its also the right wing agenda, of "Starve The Beast", They see for the first time they have a chance to cut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security and win more elections by busting the unions making it harder for the elderly and young to vote. etc,etc,etc

      So, lets not ignore the . 2-ton Elephant in the white house, would things be any different if another democrat would have won the election. Sorry but America is not ready

    • 10 months ago
  • SFirman
  • letsliveinpeace
  • DudleyDooleft
  • EthicalVegan
  • Leen61
  • EthicalVegan
  • Leen61
  • DudleyDooleft
  • Leen61
  • EthicalVegan
  • SFirman
  • Leen61
  • Wyley_Wombat
  • DudleyDooleft
    • +1
      DudleyDooleft  
    • Wyley_Wombat:

      You've got it! In the political sphere we should do like the republicans and their wordsmith Frank Luntz, and never, ever use the word "right" without attaching a negative connotation. Here is a start; The "lefties" are the cowboys in the white hat, and the right-wing nut-job frigging fascists cowboys wear the black hat! Think it will catch on?

    • 10 months ago
  • Wyley_Wombat
  • letsliveinpeace
  • letsliveinpeace
  • wolfess
    • +3
      wolfess  
    • Boehner, however, argued this week that Reid's plan fails to tackle popular entitlement programs such as Medicare, which are among the biggest drivers of the debt.

      Mr. Boehner, you LIE like a rug -- the biggest drivers of the debt are
      1. those idiot flokking bank bailouts (like a total of 16 trillion since 2008)
      2. those idiot flokking wars
      3. the SHRUB'S idiot flokking tax breaks for those floks that don't need them!

      Uh, power to the peons because WE wouldn't fuck up this country the way you idiot flokking politicians have!

    • 10 months ago
  • Wyley_Wombat
    • 0
      Wyley_Wombat  
    • wolfess:

      One of the things that is for some reason sacrosanct when the re_Pigs talk about debt is the fact that we give away a lot of money in foreign aid. One would think that if one has a budget crisis, one would use that money to help ourselves.

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +3
      EthicalVegan  
    • Image
    • http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8277977

      ABC7 News...

      House approves debt bill; Senate rejects it

      Friday, July 29, 2011

      House approves debt bill; Senate rejects it (KABC Photo)
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      AP

      WASHINGTON -- In an unforgiving display of partisanship, the House approved emergency legislation Friday night to avoid an unprecedented government default and the Senate scuttled it less than two hours later.

      The final outcome - with the White House and Senate Democrats calling anew for compromise while criticizing Republicans as Tuesday's deadline drew near - was anything but certain.

      "We are almost out of time" for a compromise, warned President Barack Obama as U.S. financial markets trembled at the prospect of economic chaos next week. On Wall Street, the Dow Jones industrial average was down for a sixth straight session.

      The House vote was 218-210, almost entirely along party lines, on a Republican-drafted bill to provide a quick $900 billion increase in U.S. borrowing authority - essential to allow the government to continue paying all its bills - along with $917 billion in cuts from federal spending.

      It had been rewritten hastily overnight to say that before any additional increase in the debt limit could take place, Congress must approve a balanced budget-amendment to the Constitution and send it to the states for ratification. That marked a concession to tea party-backed conservatives and others in the rank and file who had thwarted House Speaker John Boehner's attempt to pass the bill Thursday night.

      "Today we have a chance to end this debt limit crisis," Boehner declared, his endgame strategy upended by rebels within his own party.

      But the changes he made to the House GOP bill further alienated Democrats. And they complicated prospects of a compromise that could clear both houses and win Obama's signature by next Tuesday's deadline.

      At the other end of the Capitol, Senate Democrats scuttled the measure without so much as a debate on its merits. The vote was 59-41, with all Democrats, two independents and six Republicans joining in opposition.

      Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had an alternative measure to raise the debt limit by $2.4 trillion, enough to meet Obama's terms that it tide the Treasury over until 2013.

      Reid invited Republicans to suggest changes, saying, "This is likely our last chance to save this nation from default."

      The Senate GOP leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, sounded as if he wanted Reid to go first. "I eagerly await the majority leader's plan for preventing this crisis," he said in a statement noting the House had now passed two bills to avoid a default and the Senate none.

      At the same time Reid appealed for bipartisanship, he and other party leaders accused Boehner of caving in to extremists in the GOP ranks - "the last holdouts of the tea party," Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois called them.

      Republicans conceded that the overnight delay had weakened Boehner's hand in the endgame with Obama and Senate Democrats.

      But the Ohio Republican drew applause from his rank and file when he said the House, alone, had advanced legislation to cut deficits, and that he had "stuck his neck out" in recent weeks in hopes of concluding a sweeping deficit reduction deal with Obama.

      Boehner's measure would provide a quick $900 billion increase in borrowing authority - essential for the U.S. to keep paying all its bills after next Tuesday - and $917 billion in spending cuts. After the bill's latest alteration, any future increases in the debt limit would be contingent on Congress approving the constitutional amendment and sending it to the states for ratification.

      "With conservatives insisting on the addition of a balanced-budget amendment requirement, Speaker Boehner's bill will now cut, cap and balance" federal spending, said Rep. Jeff Flake of Arizona as Friday's scheduled vote approached.

      The White House called the bill a non-starter. Press secretary Jay Carney issued a statement that called it a "political exercise" and said congressional leaders should turn their efforts to a compromise that Obama can sign by Tuesday.

      The developments occurred one day after Boehner was forced to postpone a vote in the House for fear the earlier version of his measure would suffer a defeat. But by forcing a delay the conservative rebels upended the leadership's strategy of making their bill the only one that could clear Congress before a default and win Obama's reluctant signature.

      "Everybody acknowledges that because of the dust-up yesterday we've lost some leverage," said Rep. Steven LaTourette, R-Ohio, an ally of the speaker.

      The rebels said they were more worried about stemming the nation's steady rise of red ink.

      Rep. Jeff Landry, R-La., a, a first-term lawmaker, issued a statement saying his pressure had paid off.

      "The American people have strongly renewed their November calls of bringing fiscal sanity to Washington. I am blessed to be a vehicle driving their wishes to fruition," he said. "This plan is not a Washington deal but a real solution to fundamentally change the way Washington operates."

      Administration officials say that without legislation in place by Tuesday, the Treasury will no longer be able to pay all its bills. The result could inflict significant damage on the economy, they add, causing interest rates to rise and financial markets to sink.

      Executives from the country's biggest banks met with U.S. Treasury officials to discuss how debt auctions will be handled if Congress fails to raise the borrowing limit before Tuesday's deadline.

      But Carney said the administration did not plan to provide the public with details Friday on how the government will prioritize payments.

      The day's economic news wasn't very upbeat to begin with - an economy that grew at an annual rate of only 1.3 percent in the second quarter of the year.

      Investors weren't impressed with either the economy or the efforts in Washington.

      The Dow Jones industrial average appeared headed for a sixth straight day of losses, and bond yields fell as investors sought safer investments in the event of a default.

      At the White House, Obama cited the potential toll on the economy as he urged lawmakers to find a way out of gridlock.

      He said that for all the partisanship, the two sides were not that far apart. Both agree on initial spending cuts to take effect in exchange for an increase in the debt limit, he said, as well as on a way to consider additional reductions in government benefit programs in the coming months.

      "And if we need to put in place some kind of enforcement mechanism to hold us all accountable for making these reforms, I'll support that, too, if it's done in a smart and balanced way," he said.

      That went to the crux of the conflict - his insistence that Congress raise the government's borrowing authority by enough to avoid a repeat of the current crisis during the heat of the 2012 election campaigns.

      Republicans have resisted, accusing him of injecting purely political considerations into the debt limit negotiations.

      But Boehner's failure to line up the votes for his legislation Thursday night seemed to embolden Democrats.

      Obama asked his 9.4 million followers on Twitter to send tweets to Republican lawmakers.

      "The time for putting party first is over. If you want to see a bipartisan (hash)compromise, let Congress know. Call. Email. Tweet," Obama wrote in a tweet, signed "-BO."

    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +2
      EthicalVegan  
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    • http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/07/201172923171858450.html

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      Al Jazeera...

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      US senate kills Republican debt plan

      The move continues a standoff over the debt limit but could set the table for talks this weekend on compromise plan.

      Last Modified: 29 Jul 2011 23:36

      Photo: President Obama has criticised the Republican package and urged for a compromised legislation [Reuters]

      The Democratic-led US Senate has voted to set aside a House-passed Republican bill to avert a potential ruinous debt default, setting the stage for weekend talks on forging a compromise plan.

      Legislators voted 59-41 against Republican House Speaker John Boehner's measure to raise the $14.3 trillion US debt ceiling in two stages to enable Washington to pay its bills past a Tuesday deadline.

      Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he hoped Republican Senate Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell would help work out a final deal, the outlines of which were far from clear with the clock ticking down.

      The US economy hit its $14.3 trillion debt ceiling on May 16 and has used spending and accounting adjustments, as well as higher-than-expected tax receipts, to continue operating normally -- but can only do so through Tuesday.

      Twenty-two House Republicans joined all 188 Democrats voting in opposing Boehner's legislation, while 218 Republicans backed it -- eking out the 216 votes needed for passage in the lower chamber.

      A key sticking point was the duration of any debt limit increase: Reid and his Senate allies rejected Boehner's plan in large part because it would set the stage for another high-stakes showdown in a few months.

      "We cannot be in this battle all the time," said Reid, whose own plan would spare Obama another politically fraught debt battle as he seeks a second term in the November 2012 elections.

      Boehner's bill had sought to pair raising the debt ceiling by $900 billion with spending cuts of some $917 billion over ten years, while requiring later debt limit increases be tied to congressional passage of a balanced budget amendment to the US Constitution for ratification by the 50 states.

      Reid, whose Democrats oppose tying the debt limit to such amendment, has offered a blueprint that would raise the debt ceiling by $2.7 trillion while cutting spending by some $2.2 trillion over 10 years.

      Working on compromise formula

      Al Jazeera's Rosiland Jordan, reporting from Capitol Hill, said the tussle will continue for some time as the two sides fail to make substantial progress towards a compromise.

      "The Senate majority leader has already called this bill dead on arrival. The White House believes that if there is a compromise, it will have to come from the upper chamber of the congress"she said.

      Reid has said a short-term solution is unacceptable and his own bill that would cut $2.2 trillion in spending over 10 years is expected to be amended to make it more palatable to moderate Republicans in the House.

      The door is now open for talks on a compromise. If a compromise is worked out, a final vote in the Senate could take place as early as Monday or by midday on Tuesday, a Senate Democratic aide told Reuters.

      The delays make it impossible for Congress to strike a deal and send it Obama's desk until the 11th hour, injecting a dangerous level of uncertainty into already rattled financial markets. A late deal also raises the prospect that the United States will lose its top-notch AAA credit rating.

      Administration officials say Congress must find a compromise to raise the debt ceiling by Tuesday or the government will run out of cash to pay its bills. That could prompt an unprecedented federal default, which could rattle the economy.

      Source:
      Al Jazeera and Agencies

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    • 10 months ago
  • EthicalVegan
    • +2
      EthicalVegan  
    • Senate Quickly Kills Boehner Debt Bill

      The New York Times...

      Senate Quickly Kills Boehner Debt Bill

      Jewel Samad/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

      Speaker John A. Boehner left the Capitol after voting in the House Chamber.
      By CARL HULSE, MICHAEL D. SHEAR and ROBERT PEAR
      Published: July 29, 2011

      WASHINGTON — House Republicans muscled through a revised debt limit plan without a single Democratic vote on Friday night and the Senate quickly killed it by tabling the bill indefinitely and moving to start consideration of a Democratic plan to avoid default.

      Philip Scott Andrews/The New York Times

      The move now sets up an uncertain 72 hours as the Congress moves ever closer to the Tuesday deadline when the Treasury Department says the country will default on its financial obligations without an increase in the debt ceiling.

      Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, said he intends to start the legislative clock ticking on Friday on a new plan to raise the debt ceiling, though it was also possible to allow time for negotiation.

      The two votes came about 24 hours after the first Republican proposal backed by Speaker John A. Boehner stalled. On Friday, the House voted 218 to 210 in favor of a revised plan that would increase the federal debt ceiling in two stages, with the second installment of $1.6 trillion contingent on Congressional approval of a Constitutional amendment requiring a balanced federal budget. The Constitutional amendment provision was added to attract conservatives who balked Thursday.

      “To the American people, I would say we tried our level best,” Mr. Boehner said as he concluded a debate that had been abruptly halted Thursday evening. “We tried to do our best for our country, but some people still say no.”

      Although 22 Republicans opposed the bill, it cleared the House after it had appeared for a time on Thursday night that the Republican leadership had been thwarted in its efforts to send a take-it-or-leave-it offer to the Senate.

      After a caucus meeting to round up the votes needed for House passage, Mr. Boehner agreed to modify his plan, which raises the debt ceiling only enough to last a few months. Senate Democrats have taken up a measure of their own, which would raise the debt ceiling until after the election, and prepared for debate and possibly votes on it over the weekend.

      The changes by Mr. Boehner won enough votes to allow him to pass his bill with only Republican votes, including those of many, but not all, from the Tea Party faction. Urging its passage, an emotional Mr. Boehner angrily accused President Obama and his Democratic allies of negotiating in bad faith for weeks and called the bill the only way to “end this crisis now.”

      “All they would do was criticize what I put out there,” Mr. Boehner said, his voice rising during a rare appearance on the floor. “I stuck my neck out a mile to get an agreement with the president of the United States. I stuck my neck out a mile. I put revenues on the table.”

      He added: “A lot of people in this town can never say yes.”

      The vote brushed aside Mr. Obama’s plea earlier in the day for quick passage of a compromise bill that could attract support from both parties.

      Democrats said the changes the House approved only made the House bill more unpalatable. “This is the most outrageous suggestion I have heard,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin, the assistant Democratic leader.

      Mr. Obama said: “Any solution to avoid default must be bipartisan. I urge Democrats and Republicans in the Senate to find common ground on a plan that can get support from both parties in the House, a plan that I can sign by Tuesday.”

      He urged Republicans in the House and Senate to abandon a bill that “does not solve the problem” and has no chance of passage in the Senate.

      “There are a lot of crises in the world that we can’t always predict or avoid,” he said. “This isn’t one of those crises.”

      In an effort to break the logjam, Mr. Reid, the majority leader, had called on Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, to meet with him on Friday to try to resolve to the stalemate.

      “My door is open,” Mr. Reid said as the Senate convened. “I will listen to any idea to get this done in a way that prevents a default and a dangerous downgrade to America’s credit rating. Time is short, and too much is at stake, to waste even one more minute.

      “The last train is leaving the station,” he said. “This is our last chance to avert default.”

      It appeared that the Senate would be in session around the clock this weekend.

      The Democrats said they would file a motion on Friday that would start the Senate debate, running down the procedural clock while Republicans, presumably, filibustered against the Reid proposal. The first vote on breaking the filibuster would come after midnight Saturday. Unless the Democrats can win over enough Republicans to cut off debate and move to approving the Reid bill or some variant, the Republicans would be forced to hold the floor continuously, awaiting some kind of deal.

      Mr. McConnell, who had been working with Mr. Reid on a fallback plan, abandoned that attempt and has been supporting the effort by Mr. Boehner to push through a proposal that would raise the debt limit in two stages — an approach flatly rejected by Senate Democrats and the White House even before it was toughened with the latest demand for a constitutional amendment.

      Mr. McConnell, too, came to the Senate floor on Friday and offered little indication that he was ready to deal, accusing Democrats of devoting recent days to undermining the House plan. “Our Democratic friends in the Senate have offered no solutions to the crisis that can pass either chamber,” he said.

      Mr. Reid said he would be making changes to his measure to attract more support but made clear that he considered the Senate plan the final effort to avert a default next week.

      “There will be no time left to vote on another bill or consider another option here in the Senate,” he said. “None.”

      Mr. Reid said he had also had a “sobering” conversation on Friday with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner about the consequences of a default.

      “It is really precarious for our country,” he said.

      Until now, the White House and Senate Democratic leaders had been waiting for the House to act before making their next move with an eye on the Tuesday deadline set by the Treasury Department for raising the debt ceiling or facing the possibility that the government would not be able to meet all its financial obligations.

      Failure to pass his proposal would have represented a significant defeat for Mr. Boehner, the first-year speaker who has invested significant political capital in trying to get his fractious majority behind the legislation, which had the strong support of the entire leadership team.

      Facing that prospect, he adjusted his proposal to the right, and his opposition within the caucus evaporated.

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      Senate quickly acts to block House debt-ceiling plan

      Los Angeles Times...

      By Michael A. Memoli

      July 29, 2011, 5:29 p.m.

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      PHOTO: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) speaks to reporters with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) before votes on the House Republicans' debt-ceiling plan Friday, July 29. (Nicholas Kamm, AFP/Getty Images)

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      The Senate voted Friday evening to reject Speaker John A. Boehner's debt-ceiling plan just hours after it moved through the House, setting up a dramatic weekend of negotiations as Congress works to stave off a potential federal default.

      The Senate tally was 59-41 on the motion to table the House plan, including some Republican votes.

      Even as leaders from both parties engage in frenetic talks on the way forward, the House will hold yet another symbolic vote. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced the chamber plans to hold a vote on legislation that closely mirrors Reid's plan, planning to kill it even before the Senate can adopt it.

      In a statement on the earlier House vote, White House press secretary Jay Carney called Reid's plan the basis for final compromise and called for an end to "political exercise[s]."

      "The president urges Democrats and Republicans in the Senate to find common ground on a plan that can get support from both parties in the House – a plan the president can sign by Tuesday," he said.

      The likely compromise would be similar to major elements of Boehner's plan, but would drop his requirement that Congress go through another potentially protracted debate over the debt ceiling late this year.

      Instead, it would include a complex mechanism that would attempt to guarantee that Congress will approve further reductions in the long-term federal deficit early in 2012.

      The overall goal would be to cut the long-term deficit by more than $2 trillion over the next 10 years, in part by empowering a special congressional committee to propose spending cuts and possibly revenue increases later this year.

      Congressional officials hope to develop a compromise that could pass the Senate early next week as the clock ticks down and then go back to the House and pass with a coalition of Democratic and Republican votes.

      Kathleen Hennessey and Lisa Mascaro contributed to this report.

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      Senate kills Boehner debt-limit bill
      Democrats table GOP-backed House bill

      msnbc.com staff and news service reports
      updated 7 minutes ago

      WASHINGTON — The Democratic-controlled Senate voted to table Republican House Speaker John Boehner's debt-limit bill Friday evening, effectively killing it less than two hours after the House passed it.

      Democrats and several Republicans killed the GOP measure by a 59-41 vote, just minutes after it arrived from the House. Democrats opposed the measure because it would require another debt-limit debate early next year.

      The move continues a standoff over the debt limit but could set the table for negotiations this weekend on compromise legislation. An Aug. 2 deadline to prevent a default on U.S. obligations looms.

      Boehner's plan, which passed the House 218-210 with no Democratic support, would have raised the debt ceiling $900 billion, cut spending $917 billion over a decade and call for a balanced-budget amendment before the limit could be raised again, presumably next year.

      The Democratic-controlled Senate voted to table Republican House Speaker John Boehner's debt bill Friday evening, effectively killing it less than two hours after the House passed it.

      The White House declared it dead on arrival.

      Senate Democrats vowed to block it in favor of a longer-term $2.5 trillion debt limit increase with about $2.2 trillion in spending cuts, proposed by Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid.

      GOP members who voted no on Boehner bill

      Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI)
      Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)
      Rep. Paul Brown (R-GA)
      Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT)
      Rep. Chip Cravaack (R-MN)
      Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
      Rep. John Duncan (R-SC)
      Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC)
      Rep. Tom Graves (R-GA)
      Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS)
      Rep. Tim Johnson (R-IL)
      Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH)
      Rep. Tom Latham (R-IA)
      Rep. Connie Mack (R-FL)
      Rep. Tim Scott (R-SC)
      Rep. Steve King (R-IA)
      Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)
      Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA)
      Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC)
      Rep. Steve Southerland (R-FL)
      Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC)
      Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL)

      Boehner said his bill was necessary "after I stuck my neck out a mile trying to get an agreement with the president of the United States. I stuck my neck out a mile. And I put revenues on the table in order to try to come to an agreement to avert us being where we are."

      "But a lot of people in this town can never say yes. This house has acted and it is time for this administration to put something on the table, tell us where you are."

      Boehner said his bill would cut spending by more than the increase in the debt limit, impose spending caps to restrain future spending, and require Congress to send states a balanced budget amendment before the ceiling could be raised again.

      Boehner on Thursday failed to round up enough support for his plan, exposing a rift in the Republican Party. But he tweaked the bill and told the House Friday evening that it was necessary to pass his plan "for the sake of our economy" and to "end this crisis now."

      Rep. Kathy Hochul, D-NY, told the House before the vote, "Never, never has there been an intentional disaster perpetrated by the very people who were sent here to be the caretakers of this country. ... Am I really supposed to tell the greatest generation that when they passed us the torch, we dropped it because we couldn’t compromise?"

      After the vote, Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., was one of many House members react on the floor.

      "This House, led by the Republicans, has put every state, city, every university that writes bonds at risk… because of this foolishness," McDermott said. "We need a clean lifting of the debt limit."

      The White House called again for compromise.

      "The bill passed today in the House with exclusively Republican votes would have us face another debt ceiling crisis in just a few months by demanding the Constitution be amended or America defaults," said a statement from the White House. "This bill has been declared dead on arrival in the Senate."

      "Now that yet another political exercise is behind us, with time dwindling, leaders need to start working together immediately to reach a compromise that avoids default and lays the basis for balanced deficit reduction," the White House said, backing Reid's plan and echoing comments President Barack Obama made earlier in the day.

      "Any solution must be bipartisan," said Obama from the Diplomatic Room at the White House. "We're in rough agreement," said the president. "There are plenty of ways out of this mess."

      "The time for putting party first is over," he added. "It’s time to step up and show the leadership the American people expect."

      He later reiterated his call to action on Twitter: "The time for putting party first is over. If you want to see a bipartisan #compromise, let Congress know. Call. Email.Tweet. --BO"

      Shortly after the president's speech, GOP lawmakers announced plans to tweak the House bill with hopes of gaining the votes needed for passage.

      The balanced budget amendment was a key demand of rebellious conservatives who withheld their votes from the legislation on Thursday night.

      Earlier, an aide who attended Boehner's meeting with the GOP conference told NBC News, "If we pass this today, we will have sent not one, but two bills to the Senate that would end this crisis. All that will stand between the American people and a resolution to this crisis will be the Senate, which has passed nothing."
      Story: Benefit recipient? Disruptions may be coming

      In the upper chamber, Reid pledged to move forward with his own proposal.

      Speaking to reporters Friday afternoon, he called the House bill "right-wing leaning," and said his caucus woud not support a short-term deal. He asked for Republicans to make suggestions to improve his legislation.

      Reid has until 11:59 p.m. ET Friday to file cloture on his bill — so, the earliest the Senate could vote to file cloture is 1 a.m. ET Sunday. That sets up a final vote on Monday morning to send the legislation to the House.

      Reid, D-Nev., said he had invited Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to join him in negotiations. "I know the Senate compromise bill Democrats have offered is not perfect in Republican eyes. Nor is it perfect for Democrats," Reid said. "But together, we must make it work for all of us. It is the only option."

      But McConnell dismissed the Democratic effort, arguing that it stands no chance in the Republican-controlled House, and he accused Obama of pushing the nation to the brink of an economic abyss.

      Reid's spokesman, Adam Jentleson, responded to Republicans' plan to update the House legislation Friday by tweeting, "Desperate House Republicans added a Tea Party poison pill to their bill. The Tea Party is still leading Boehner around by the nose."

      Concerns about a U.S. default on Aug. 2 continued to reverberate around markets Friday, with stocks down again. While investors have been jittery for weeks, the inability this week of Republicans to even manage to get their own party to agree on a plan has reinforced those fears with just days to go.

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      Senate blocks House Republicans’ debt plan

      (Speaker Boehner signals measure's passage./Getty Images)

      Lori Montgomery, Paul Kane and William Branigin 5:00 PM ET

      Senate votes to table the House’s debt-limit bill. Measure, which was passed earlier this evening, had been recrafted to appease tea party-allied conservatives. President Ob

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      PART TWO...

      Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, accused Boehner of "adding all kinds of unrealistic poison pills to his plan."

      But Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, argued Senate Democrats were doing little to actually resolve the crisis.

      "I would suggest to my friends on the other side ... that they start taking their responsibilities as a majority party a little more seriously, because at this point, the only people who are disregarding the consequences of default are Senate Democrats -- not the Republicans in the House -- but them," McConnell said. In a statement after the House vote, McConnell said: "I eagerly await the majority leader's plan for preventing this crisis."

      As the political maneuvering continues, the clock continues to tick down. If Congress fails to raise the current $14.3 trillion debt ceiling by August 2, Americans could face rising interest rates and a declining dollar, among other problems.

      Some financial experts have warned of a downgrade of America's triple-A credit rating and a potential stock market plunge. The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped for a sixth straight on Friday.

      Without an increase in the debt limit, the federal government will not be able to pay all its bills next month. Obama recently indicated he can't guarantee Social Security checks will be mailed out on time.

      Leaders of both parties now agree that any deal to raise the debt ceiling should include long-term spending reductions to help control spiraling deficits. But they differ sharply on both the nature and timetable of the cuts.

      Despite the strong partisan rhetoric, there have been signs of a growing recognition of a need for further compromise. Earlier this week, McConnell called for renewed negotiations with Obama, and indicated that his party must be willing to move away from some of its demands.

      Sources close to the negotiations have also told CNN that Vice President Joe Biden is very much in the mix of back-channel conversations on a possible fallback position.

      White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley told CNN Thursday that, presuming the Boehner plan wins House approval and gets blocked in the Senate, the next step is for everyone "to take a step back in the Congress and look at where is a point of compromise."

      Daley said that similarities between the Boehner and Reid plans "may be the grounds for a deal that, hopefully, both parties can pass."

      Both plans suffered setbacks earlier this week when the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released reports concluding that they fell short of their stated deficit reduction goals.

      Boehner's plan, which has since been revised, proposed generating a total of $917 billion in savings while initially raising the debt ceiling by $900 billion. The speaker has pledged to match any debt ceiling hike with dollar-for-dollar spending cuts.

      His plan, however, would require a second vote by Congress to raise the debt ceiling by a combined $2.5 trillion -- enough to last through the end of 2012. It would create a special congressional committee to recommend additional savings of $1.6 trillion or more.

      Any failure on the part of Congress to enact mandated spending reductions or abide by new spending caps would trigger automatic across-the-board budget cuts.

      The plan, as amended Friday, also calls for congressional passage of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the second vote to raise the debt ceiling, which would likely be required at some point during the winter.

      As for Reid's plan, it would reduce deficits over the next decade by $2.2 trillion. Democrats have promised that the final version of the plan will contain additional savings -- enough to match any required debt ceiling hike through 2012.

      Reid's plan would cut spending by $1.8 trillion, including $1 trillion in savings based on the planned U.S. withdrawals from military engagements in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      Limiting future discretionary spending would save $751 billion, while an estimated $375 billion would be saved in interest payments due to reduced borrowing because of the spending cuts.

      Reid's plan also would establish a congressional committee made up of 12 House and Senate members to consider additional options for debt reduction. The committee's proposals would be guaranteed by a Senate vote with no amendments by the end of the year.

      Among other things, Reid has stressed that his plan meets the key GOP demand for no additional taxes. Boehner, however, argued this week that Reid's plan fails to tackle popular entitlement programs such as Medicare, which are among the biggest drivers of the debt.

      A recent CNN/ORC International Poll reveals a growing public exasperation and demand for compromise. Sixty-four percent of respondents to a July 18-20 survey preferred a deal with a mix of spending cuts and tax increases. Only 34% preferred a debt reduction plan based solely on spending reductions.

      According to the poll, the public is sharply divided along partisan lines; Democrats and independents are open to a number of different approaches because they think a failure to raise the debt ceiling would cause a major crisis for the country. Republicans, however, draw the line at tax increases, and a narrow majority of them oppose raising the debt ceiling under any circumstances.

      CNN's Ted Barrett, Kate Bolduan, Gloria Borger, Keating Holland, Brianna Keilar, Jeanne Sahadi, Xuan Thai, Jessica Yellin and Deirdre Walsh contributed to this report

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      Boehner, however, argued this week that Reid's plan fails to tackle popular entitlement programs such as Medicare, which are among the biggest drivers of the debt.

      Mr. Boehner, you LIE like a rug -- the biggest drivers of the debt are
      1. those idiot flokking bank bailouts (like a total of 16 trillion since 2008)
      2. those idiot flokking wars
      3. the SHRUB'S idiot flokking tax breaks for those floks that don't need them!

      Uh, power to the peons because WE wouldn't fuck up this country the way you idiot flokking politicians have!

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      you don't need medicare if you have health insurance and a job to pay for it so why don't we have jobs? I can see our business dropping healthcare plans even when we give tax breaks to pay for their insurance while they are creating jobs they haven't. They have taken the tax beaks and ran

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      Not only have they taken their billions and run, they have put those billions in off-shore bank accounts so they don't have to pay taxes, OR hire people here in this country.

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      The New York Times...

      July 29, 2011

      That Aug. 2 Deadline? It May Be Impossible, Veteran Lawmakers Say

      By JACKIE CALMES

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      WASHINGTON — Here is advice from veterans of past budget battles in Congress that went to the brink: This time, be afraid. Be very afraid.

      The seemingly unbridgeable impasse between the two parties as the deadline for raising the nation’s debt limit approaches has Tom Daschle losing sleep, as he never did when he was a Senate Democratic leader in the mid-1990s and Congressional Republicans forced government shutdowns rather than compromise on spending cuts.

      “That was nothing compared to this. That was a shutdown of the government; this could be, really, a shutdown of the entire economy,” Mr. Daschle said. “You can’t be too hyperbolic about the ramifications of all this.”

      Democrats and Republicans with legislative experience agree that even if both sides decided Saturday to raise the $14.3 trillion borrowing ceiling and to reduce future annual deficits, it would be extremely difficult for the compromise measure to wend its way through Congress before Tuesday’s deadline, given Congressional legislative procedures.

      But such a bipartisan deal seemed virtually impossible on Friday, as House Republicans approved their bill and dug in deeper against compromise with President Obama.

      Any possibility of avoiding an economy-shaking default seemed to rest on hopes of a so-far nonexistent compromise in the Senate — between the majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, and the Republican minority leader, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky — that could pass by Tuesday and then be sent to the House.

      That would force Speaker John A. Boehner to decide at the 11th hour whether to hold a House vote on a bill that would not get many Republican votes, forcing him to rely on Democrats and perhaps further weaken his leadership, or to risk blame for an economic crisis.

      “He’s going to have to pass it with Democratic votes. That’s going to be a tough decision, but he doesn’t have any choice at that point, particularly if the markets are reacting,” said Tom Davis, a former House Republican leader from Virginia. “That’s the position they’ve got themselves in.”

      But, he added: “The stakes are much higher here. If interest rates start spiking up, it’s going to cost us a lot more than anything you could save. They’re playing brinkmanship with our credit rating. That’s not very smart.”

      Mr. Davis recalled his vote in late September 2008 for the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program that President George W. Bush sought to rescue a financial system near collapse. “I hated TARP, but no one had a better alternative,” he said.

      But most of his Republican colleagues opposed the rescue measure and helped defeat it, sending the stock markets tumbling even as the vote was taking place. That reaction forced the Republicans to retreat, and days later a bailout bill carried on a second try.

      Mr. Davis predicted that the current standoff over the debt limit could end similarly. “When the markets react” — as early as Monday if there is no compromise in sight — “I think the politicians will act,” he said.

      Yet many of the Congressional Republicans who won office last November with the help of the antigovernment Tea Party movement, giving their party control of the House, campaigned on promises to resist any government bailouts and to oppose an increase in the debt limit. Some lawmakers have been quoted describing the debt-limit vote as a way to make up for Republicans’ support of the bank rescue three years ago.

      Against that backdrop, major business groups issued statements on Friday reiterating their calls for a deal, but with a heightened note of alarm.

      The Business Roundtable, an association of executives of some of the country’s largest corporations, sent a letter to the White House and Congress warning that “inaction poses an unacceptable financial risk to the nation’s economic growth and job creation” — this on a day when the latest economic data confirmed that growth slowed in the second quarter with the fallout of Japan’s tsunami, Europe’s debt crisis and upheaval in the Middle East.

      “Failure to Raise Debt Ceiling Could Turn the Economy Back Into a Recession” was the headline on a statement from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

      “I’ve never seen people genuinely worried like this,” said Vin Weber, a former representative from Minnesota, now a Republican strategist who has been meeting with other Republicans, including lawmakers, this week. “This time you have people who genuinely don’t know what the outcome is going to be, and they’re worried that the wrong outcome could genuinely be disastrous.”

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      PHOTO: Carol T. Powers for The New York Times

      Tom Daschle led the Senate during an earlier budget crisis.

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