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Warning : Police,... stop the Brutality... NOW!

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This is a warning to all police engaged around this nation in brutality against citizens peacefully protesting consider this your formal written and video warning stop the violence now...!!!
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148 comments // Warning : Police,... stop the Brutality... NOW! // Video

  • Berniefan
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      Berniefan  
    • I completely agree with everything in this video accept the threats of violence against the police. That would be a huge mistake. For one thing there is not a chance in hell the protesters would win the fight no matter how greatly they outnumbered the police. The police have powerful weapons that they are well trained to use. Plus when using non-violent civil disobedience as the primary tactic for getting you're message heard, it is best if you remain non-violent and civil while engaging in disobedience. Let me be clear on something. I hate cops. I think they are all arrogant power hungry thugs and the way they have been treating the demonstrators is beyond deplorable. It's disgraceful barbarism that blatantly runs contrary to our constitution in both spirit and letter. To be sure somebody needs to hold these state sponsored hooligans responsible for their acts of unprovoked violence, but it can't be the protesters themselves. Images of the police instigating violence wins public sympathy and garners more support. Images of the protesters starting the violence destroys any good will that may have built up and allows the media to easily vilify the entire movement. The police would win the physical battle as well as the battle for public support. And without public support you accomplish nothing.

    • 6 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • letsliveinpeace
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  • WagonMaster
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      WagonMaster  
    • Does noboby read history ? Blood revolutions occur when Law Enforcement causes blood to be shed at peaceful rallys. Read Lenin, Trotsky and Dear old Mao..

    • 6 months ago
  • UhOhSpaghettiO
  • ThresholdBroken
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      ThresholdBroken  
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    • A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned.

      The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.

      Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wall_street_cra_pad_s31YWPjPTt0TYux...

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • ThresholdBroken:

      I don't see your point. Are you saying they should not be a part of O.W.S., if indeed they are, or that big money is behind the movement? That seems unlikely. The 1%, going after the 1%. Are you saying people in government and business should not embrace popular movements? The Tea Party would blow that idea out of the water. I'm not sure if your saying this is a good thing, a bad thing, or if you think this is just a curiosity. And doesn't this contradict the right wing narrative for the last few weeks? I thought all the Occupiers were unemployed druggies and rapists. Please clarify.

    • 6 months ago
  • WagonMaster
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
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    • ThresholdBroken:

      so why not?! we welcome all people even those who have changed their ways and are still stumbling times are a changing ...and you are just repeating on the same old divisional junk get out of the propaganda closet

    • 6 months ago
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  
    • I'm thinking it's time most people interested in "occupying" anywhere become more well versed in offering "baton courtesies" (extendable riot batons are ideal).....

      There are also many ways to manufacture pepper spray delivery systems that make those used by violent provocateurs look like childs play....

      There are innumerable ways to "occupy" more forcefully, I'm not advocating them, and so far the people have been about as peaceful as they can be.

      But for the sake of taking back the power from this inverted totalitarian police state, one might want to consider all options.... Especially when you're being attacked by violent corporate goon squads...

    • 6 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • well we can start by passing out gas masks and riot sheilds and padding. No weapons to start., but if they want to take it to the next level we can ratchet up from there.

    • 6 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • Kelly_Balthrop
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      Kelly_Balthrop  
    • hombre76:

      That is reasonable. It will help a lot to keep public opinion on our side. If we are the underdogs they will flock to our side. If we ratchet up too fast, we risk loosing the public support.

    • 6 months ago
  • SIBob
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      SIBob  
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    • I think all of the sentiments expressed in this video are right, except for the last part about the mob tearing the cops apart like wild animals. Don't even begin to underestimate the firepower that these cops possess. If the Occupy movement continues to practice nonviolence they have a great chance to succeed. If they don't, we will all find out about the power of the post 9/11 state. Commissioner Raymond "Police State" Kelly in NYC is sitting on the second largest security budget next to the federal government. Governor Andrew "Silver Spoon" Cuomo has also pledged backup. If anything, reacting with violence will play right into their hands. The "frozen zone" of Wall Street will be extended to the entire borough of Manhattan.
      I agree that if the current police tactics stay in place, things may begin to get desperate. NYC has the capacity, as they showed during the 2004 Republican Convention, to incarcerate thousands of prisoners, (although they paid a heavy price in civil damages for their actions then).
      All I can say is that every time the cops crack down, the movement grows. So keep it clean,the public is coming around. If this thing splinters off into underground actions, we will lose that support, and the worst right wing demagogue will get into office.
      http://sibob.org/wordpress/

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • Now that I think of it. What would three different law enforcement agencies be doing looking for a connection between the White House shooter and the Occupy movement? It turned out that he was a religious fanatic. Doesn't that scream far right to anybody else but me?

    • 6 months ago
  • GRC54
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      GRC54  
    • Good post Figg. I've been say it what is in this video for a while and it will come true if the powers that be wake up and stop the bull shit they are spreading.

    • 6 months ago
  • TheForeteller
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      TheForeteller  
    • Support for OWS has shrunken drastically lately. They are repelling ordinary citizens and are a burden to the city. How ironic is it that they are protesting inequality @ the 1% yet are divided amongst themselves @ their encampment.

      There is a difference between legitimate protesting and disruptive, instigating rioting son.

      OWS; rape, murder, health hazard, unsanitary, death, private property damage, disrupting the peace, disobeying city ordinance, halting traffic flow, e.t.c.

      Tea Party; none of the above

      [note, I'm part of neither group {no bias} for I'm apathetic & pessimistic]

    • 6 months ago
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • TheForeteller:

      well if your not part of the movement have never been a part of it then how can you comment on what happens at the protests those are fluffed up exaggerated propaganda stories to make zombies believe the BS Mass media is spewing about our peaceful protest for a redress of our grievances ...grow up and stop watching fox news lies...
      thanks
      G

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • TheForeteller:

      http://lie.al

      Support has not shrunken it's grown. Everything in reality is not up to conservatives to decide. Your entire existence is based on lies. They are not raping and murdering anybody. Do you not think if this stuff was really going on the police would not be using it as an excuse to shut it all down. And of course, it's the liberals, who believe in social safety nets for people they don't even know, that are the callous criminals. Not the every man for himself conservatives. Your sudden concern for your fellow American is heart warming. Give us names and dates. Who are the victims of these crimes? Who are the perpetrators and how are they connected to O.W.S.? When are the court dates so we can all follow the story as only conservatives seem capable of doing? And don't come up with just one or two. There are rapes in every city whether the Occupiers are there or not. After all, the implication is that Occupy is simply crawling with rapists and drug addicts. And do it without quoting Fox News or any other bought and sold conservative news site. Find the information somewhere else. If you can not do this, will you at least stop and give it some thought? As for the Tea Party. Tea Party t.v.? Being sued by conservative donors as a fraud. The Tea Party Express? Russo Marsh and Rogers put every dime of the money raised to their own use. The Koch Bros. connection to the Tea Party has been more than well documented. Sarah Palin, Tea Party sweetheart puts a bulls eye over congresswoman Gifford's head, Gifford then gets shot, and the two things have no connection, according to the Tea Party. If conservatives heard this story, but were not told who painted the bulls eye, or which congress member was shot, they would not know how to react until they found out if the painter was liberal or not, and if the victim was a conservative or not. Jared Loughner, mad man. But he did express a hatred for the government. Just like the Tea Party. But he was described by the right as a "lefty wacko". We also know from his own videos that he was a believer in Ayn Rand philosophies. Ayn Rands book Atlas Shrugged is the Tea Party play book. They openly admit it. Oh, but there is no connection to the Tea Party, no. Even though the Tea Party faithful showed up to rallies with assault rifles. And how many Tea Party members advocated a "second amendment solution" if they didn't get their own way. Now we have the White House shooter being called The Occupy shooter by Fox News, even though law enforcement could find no connection between them. And believe me, they would have put in every effort to try and make a connection. When will Conservatives admit, that if they have to lie to further their agenda, how good can that agenda be. And yes, conservatives lie all the time. That's why they are shut out of news broadcasting in Canada where it's against the law to lie to the public. But all of our broadcasters are considered to be on the left, in a country where it's against the law to lie. Well, I wonder what that says about left verses right. We are waiting for those names and dates.

    • 6 months ago
  • Kelly_Balthrop
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      Kelly_Balthrop  
    • TheForeteller:

      Fox news lies: OWS; rape, murder, health hazard, unsanitary, death, private property damage, disrupting the peace, disobeying city ordinance, halting traffic flow, e.t.c.

      Try changing the channel occasionally and listening to the real news.

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • figgdimension
  • TheForeteller
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  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • TheForeteller:

      http://O.W.S.ca

      I have heard these reports. Occupy didn't make these guys rapists. They were rapists whether Occupy was there or not.This is correlative not causative. They don't even know if the guy who got shot in Oakland had anything to do with O.W.S. The soldier committed suicide. P.T.S.D. would be a more likely cause of that. Salt Lake City was a drug over dose. In that report they said there had been three deaths in O.W.S.camps in 24 hours in the entire country. Not murders, deaths. There are more preventable deaths on the highways in that much time. Best shut them down. Vancouver, another drug over dose. That would likely have happened wherever the man was that night. The Atlanta t.b. outbreak can happen whenever large groups of people get together. Good reason to end stadium events. The property damage I"ll give you. But that seems like a small price to pay for ending the damage inequity is doing to your country every day. Really, this is the best you could you do in an attempt to paint the entire movement as murderers and rapists. This is the best you could come up with to justify police brutality. The people that communicate on this site are open minded. But we are not so opened minded that our brains fall out. Show us ongoing spikes in crime. Show us crimes that could only happen because the O.W.S. is there. Oh, your a conservative. You might just be to young to know it. EDIT:Drug over doses are the second leading cause of accidental deaths in the United States. This would imply that there is very little drug use going on at the Occupy camps.

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • TheForeteller
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      TheForeteller  
    • figgdimension:

      Refute the facts. The cause was lost from the beginning. Nothing will change. keyboard warriors alike are disconnected from reality. When I hear "NAZI!" or "Who do you protect? who do you serve?" don't the chanters realize they are protecting the public from you.

      I was there first hand, and it is an obnoxious, extremely incoherent set of demands. No structure, all indecisive.

      But about the elites, you are right. "We are all a part of, force to live within, a conspiracy for ages, the masterplan"~ you find out

      P.S.

      Remember, I could care less about Left, Right or Center.

      I hope you thanked corporations for your computer, internet access, servers, e.t.c.

      ~serious note;

      Remember at will, the elites can and will cull most and have E.M.P. weaponry to permanently disrupt your electronics, cease all logistics for food and basic needs.

      @ the end, nothing will absolutely change, and in my genuine prediction of the future is within 100 years,the inevitable end will either be nuclear holocaust or grey goo effect (self-replicating nanobots will consume and reuse every molecule in the whole world and beyond towards space).

      latez cuz

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • Kelly_Balthrop
  • figgdimension
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • TheForeteller:

      "Remember, I could care less about Left, Right or Center."

      Maybe you should care. If you cared, then you might be less susceptible to right-wing propaganda. Whether you care or not, the reality is that your talking points are propaganda from the right.

      "I hope you thanked corporations for your computer, internet access, servers, e.t.c."

      This is another right-wing talking point that only makes sense to people who aren't really thinking. It proves that you don't even know what the OWS movement is about. Absolutely nobody is protesting the obvious fact that corporations make products, but rather the elite's intrusion and takeover of our political system among many other things.

      As an analogy let's say there is an island with only one bridge to the main land. It is in disrepair and very dangerous. The notion that protesters shouldn't complain at all about corporations because they use products made by corporations is like saying nobody who uses the bridge should complain about its condition. It's nonsense.

    • 6 months ago
  • TheForeteller
  • TheForeteller
  • TheForeteller
  • noxidereus
  • letsliveinpeace
  • Kelly_Balthrop
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      Kelly_Balthrop  
    • I've agreed with the need for peace, but I've also been saying that at some point we will get tired of being beaten and start to fight back. That day is when the revolution will begin. There is no turning back after that day. It will be do or die time. Time for the complete overthrow of the government and the restoration of a Democracy. It will not be easy, and a lot of people will die. We did not start this war but we will finish it.

      Police be warned. If you participate in violence against peaceful citizens, you will be tried for crimes against humanity when this is all over. We know who you are, you cannot hide. We have the right and the duty to defend this nation against tyranny.

      YOU started this war against the people of America. WE will finish it!

    • 6 months ago
  • Des_Akkari
  • figgdimension
  • Leen61
  • Kelly_Balthrop
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  • Leen61
  • Ambill94
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      Ambill94  
    • Great post figgdimension!!! The Urban Military brownshirts are merely the ignorant pawns of the 1% and predators who have finally been unleashed to vent their pent-up misdirected anger against innocent protesters who are standing up for their interests as well as those of the rest of us...for many of these Neanderthals this is as close to bliss as they will ever get...

      If this movement ever turns violent, and I certainly hope it does not, the image of 200 people converging on one of those gutless creeps...does tend to look more and more like a viable alternative...

      If there are any cops who don't support the brutal tactics, now is the time for them to grow some balls and stand up...but I won't hold my breath...

    • 6 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • Ambill94
  • RobertJordan
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      RobertJordan [removed]  
    • Oh, there is a reason for the police behavior, it is called intimidation. These are not 'heroes', law enforcement is not about protecting the people, it is about protecting the establishment from the people

    • 6 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
  • figgdimension
  • Leen61
    • +6
      Leen61  
    • Excellent post, figg! Great video! You're warning is exactly where we are headed. If the cops don't get it, too bad for them.

    • 6 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • Leen61
  • figgdimension
  • Leen61
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
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      Johnny_Los_Angeles  
    • When government violence against its own people here in the u.s. gets worse and it will, what country is going to come to the rescue of the people (like the u.s. did in Lybia?) Canada?

    • 6 months ago
  • RobertJordan
  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • Johnny_Los_Angeles:

      You are more than welcome to come here and become citizens. We have more than enough room for everybody who wants to, and resources coming out of our ears. We have all the rights and freedoms that you have. I guess we may have more. We take care of each other, and our laws do not allow banks and other institutions to do what they did in America. Our debt to g.d.p. is 33%, yours is 66%. Wow! Not one Canadian lost their home to a sub-prime mortgage because our government said "wait a minute, that's bank fraud". Toronto is the most racially diverse city in the world. One out of every four Canadians was not born here. Yet we have no problems with immigration and we have never been threatened by Muslim extremism. In fact we have a television show called "Little Mosque On The Prairie". No shit! It's shown all over the middle east, and they love it. Canadians being depicted as polite, caring people is not a stereotype, it's who we are. And we are proud of it. So come on over, and bring your family and friends. We know that every immigrant creates at least three jobs the instant they get here.They have to be housed, fed, clothed and entertained. They have to get medical care and their children have to get an education. These things all create jobs, and enriches Canada as a nation. Here's an idea. Just come for a visit, and you will see we are just like America without the Republicans. Give that some thought for a minute.

    • 6 months ago
  • Ambill94
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      Ambill94  
    • jimstoner:

      Both sets of grandparents came from eastern Ontario in the early 1900s...during the Vietnam War I had cousins there who offered me a place to live...several times since then I have kicked myself for not doing it...with the increase in fascism here I am once again looking north and wondering why they came here in the first place...a better life...?

    • 6 months ago
  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • Ambill94:

      It is very easy to become a citizen of Canada. I myself have personal friends from Australia, America, India, Pakistan, Cameroon, China and many of the old eastern block countries. Many of them came as tourists and could not bring themselves to leave. Please do, come and join us. It's not like you would have to give up your American citizenship.Canada does not expect someone to give up their roots, we encourage people to embrace them, to our benefit. Edit: I forgot Janisan. My friend from the Philippines that I call a funnypino (he's quite humorous).

    • 6 months ago
  • Des_Akkari
  • figgdimension
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  • jimstoner
  • Ambill94
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  • dinm76
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      dinm76  
    • Reagan's body needs to be dug up and thrown on the nearest trash heap. He was not fit to be buried in American soil!
      Death to the republican-fascist party!

    • 6 months ago
  • timelord999
  • attilatheblond
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      attilatheblond  
    • timelord999:

      That lovely lady, Dorlie Rainy, pretty much said the same the other night on Countdown. She adroitly interjected comment comparing much of 'media' propaganda' with the lies Goebbels had officials tell the people of Germany. One would think the lady knows of which she speaks.

      Frightening, isn't it? 'The Greatest Generation' gave so much to beat back the fascists. But the fascists are here now.

    • 6 months ago
  • RobertJordan
  • figgdimension
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  • some_day
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  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Violence is not good for the movement but at some point the people should have the right to protect themselves from mistreatment.

    • 6 months ago
  • attilatheblond
  • oldbanjo
  • attilatheblond
    • +1
      attilatheblond  
    • oldbanjo:

      Departments probably don't intend to go that far, but they have let so many cops get away with so much that a goodly number seem out of anybody's control. What we have is a bunch of authoritarian bullies who think they are above the law, that what they say IS law. No controlling some of them. That ship has sailed.

    • 6 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • cmdinc
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      cmdinc  
    • the police will stop the brutality when OWS stops..raping women, illegally using drugs, trespassing on others property, damaging others properties, obstructing people that need/want to work from getting to their jobs...i can go on the the most important is....WHEN THEY TAKE A SHOWER

    • 6 months ago
  • dinm76
  • ivaanna2001
  • timelord999
  • jimstoner
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      jimstoner  
    • cmdinc:

      Not one thing that you said is based in fact. There are people of all ages, ethnicity, religious beliefs and professions in the Occupy movement. There are both Republicans and Democrats involved. You speak as though there had never been a rape in New York until The Occupy movement came along. You are repeating right wing lies.Three different law enforcement agencies said they could find no connection between the White House shooter and the Occupy Movement, but the right is calling him the Occupy shooter anyway. Does that not tell you anything about the right at all? There was not 34,000 drug addicts in the Occupy New York demonstration the other night. There was not 34,000 rapists. Who told you these people don't take showers? Did you know that in the last ten years of economic growth in the United States every dollar has gone to the top 15%. The average American, on the other hand, has lost ground. If there are average Americans in your family, that means your family too. These people are demonstrating in your interest, whether you understand it or not. I'll wager that when real government reform comes from the O.W.S. movement, and rest assured, it will, there will be a lot of people, who are saying things like you are now, that will then claim they supported the movement all along.

    • 6 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • cmdinc:

      Actually, you described Congress here. They rape us daily (think beyond your black and white perceptions here: AIG, Freddie MAC, BOA...) they continue illegally supporting drug wars, using imminent domain to seize property and illegal means to foreclose on homes, do all in their power to obstruct people from getting jobs and they are drowned in blood and oil that reeks of treachery and an ever eroding knowledge of what birthed this nation or preserves this planet. But I can bet King George III, Cornwallis and others called Jefferson, Adams and the colonists who fought for independence a stinking rabble as well. There weren't any places to take a shower on the battledfields. How proud you must feel to sound just like them with such diversionary rhetoric to take away from the true principles of this.

      I am an American and a fifty plus mother who has led a good decent life who stands with my fellow Americans speaking out. Especially the young who have been deprived of a future by this military industrial complex filled with oligarchs. Unless you have been sleeping under a rock the past thirty plus years, there has been a systematic attempt to bring all of the wealth in this nation to the top 1% while leaving others down here who do work for a living unable to afford college for their children or see them have decent jobs and the ability to live a decent life while only being important to this government when they can be used as cannon fodder. And on top of that they, those young who did not make those wars or the resulting deficits are expected to pay for it.

      Leaving such a legacy to future generations is patently immoral. I would gladly go a year without a damn shower if it would promise that my son and all our children could live in a country and world where equality and humanity superceded the warped principles you seem to think are more important. So this fight will continue and more people of all backgrounds, sexes, colors and ages will be a part of it because this country, the one Jefferson, Adams and that stinking rabble fought for is still worth fighting for. I suggest you get used to it. I suspect one day you may even thank us.

    • 6 months ago
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • cmdinc:

      Tell me something -- your comment SHOUTS the talking points fox-so-not-the-news has been using since the Occupation began, why waste time even coming on this site and spread the LIES you so obviously believe? Be gone little automaton ... we don't suffer fools lightly here.
      Pwr 2 the 99%! Dismember the oligarchs and their political whores!

    • 6 months ago
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