Father Who Set Up Anti-Gay-Bullying Campaign after His Child's Suicide Has Been Found Dead

They said the same of Socrates. Not justification for it, just sayin be careful.

Think I missed your point...but I will not drink hemlock...

The whole point was that just because a society demonizes a person or a group, doesn't mean it's a viable or right option to go the other way. Socrates faced accusation of passing down 'blind, ignorant hatred' (questioning society and their values) to the youth.

You're accusing people who claim to be christian, while they claim it's gay people. The best thing would be not to point the finger at anyone and have healthy questioning of everyone's motives and values. Being repugnant and a cancer to society is something both sides of any social debate say, especially in this case. The whole point is that no one is a cancer on society, they are just part of society. If you have self-value, the accusations become worthless.

In Socrates case however, he derived his value from the society itself. Poor, but noble choice. The kid in this case however, is a sad story, as the social values overtook his own, and he could not see he was not wrong or bad. No one should have to face the majority Rule... but that has to first start with the individual having their own value, though we have a document solidifying that value... It's just ignored by everyone when it's convenient.

I think that makes for a rather self-serving rationale but it does not relate to the case in point. In a philosophical construct it may be true that an "...individual having their own value..." makes others "...accusations worthless..." however, in the real world, like in the time of Socrates when people are denied their self worth by the behavior of others, the outcomes are often catastrophic...and do not occur in a vacuum.

When someone forces their belief on others with the power to cause people to end their lives, the philosophical arguments are nothing more than mental gymnastics...tied up in the complex nuances of virtue that the Greeks wrestled with throughout their golden age.

To say that Socrates said or believed any particular thing is dangerous in itself. What we know of him is to a great extent what his student Plato wrote about him and what Plato's student Aristotle had to say. When you read their works you discover early on that they are replete with contradiction and differing interpretations of Socrates' ideas, if in fact they are his ideas.

It would be nice to think that everyone was strong enough to stand tall in the their own self worth and impervious to attacks from others, but that is sadly not the case. There are those who can, but there are also some who cannot withstand the hate and bigotry they are faced with.

To believe that most parents don't teach self worth is misleading and I would guess inaccurate...however what is not taught by some is tolerance and respect for the self worth of others.

Defensive much? He just saying we need to teach kids to be strong on their own and stop deriving their happiness from others. Sticks and stones can break bones, but words only hurt you if you have no self worth. Could care less what sexual orientation someone is... I feel the ideas of 'straight' vs lgbt-whatever the fuck, is stupid and limiting... Humans are sexual, don't let anyone else's opinion on it or anything else be a reason to hate yourself.